STREET MAGICIAN Does Incredible Disappearing Stunt on BGT 2020 | Magicians Got Talent
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- Watch street magician and card magician Magicial Bones on Britain's Got Talent 2020, as he does an incredible card trick and disappearing act in front of Simon Cowell and the judges.
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Says Do not try at home. How the hell am I supposed to try that at home 😂
I think the sword thing
Three sets of twins. The guy and his twin, and two sets of girl twins. Two boxes. One girl twin climbs into the box. Her twin stays behind the curtain when it's wheeled over. One twin blonde is already in the box behind the curtain. When the curtain is pulled closed, they switch the boxes. The original twin blonde simply walks out of sight while all of this is occurring. Notice how carefully they roll the curtain away.
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lmfao this just had me in tears...
😂😂😂😂
My dad done a disappearing act, 5 years now hope he comes back
Don't know why I see this comment on many magic videos
aww.. Prayers friend . Hope he does make it back .
James - Congratulations on your 64th birthday.
Dream about me and you lo find Fudmc amennnnnnnn
Trickdddd ya. Drink 🍷 is was a time
@Dean H That's kinda racist, honestly...
Not just a brilliant act, but a powerful inspirational one. That's the real magic. I wasn't just entertained, I was inspired.
Its really not brilliant, though most certainly is inspiring, and thats what matters.
The trick takes advantage of the fact that humans tend to be very unobservant of their peripherals, particularly when they are moved emotionally by a good inspiring story prior to the trick.
Let me break it down.
Akon does a back flip which wows the crowd, then he tells the inspiring story which makes people fixate on him because thays what people do when they are emotionally charged, they fixate on the person who caused those emotions.
Meanwhile the curtain comes out to cover the person in the box, behind that curtain is the blonde woman who has the neckerchief.
Akon then walks to the curtains after taking off his black sweatshirt, which is grabbed by a crew member. As Akon puts the hood up and walks to the curtain, the crowd is fixated on HIM and the crew switches out the women in the box. One is wearing a red sweatshirt just like he is. As Akon walks behind curtain the first woman walks out, the crew then wheels the curtain away (with Akon behind it) while the crowd is fixated on the first woman. Akon puts his black sweatshirt back on and literally WALKS UP TO THE JUDGES IN PLAIN SIGHT, because everyone is fixated on the woman in the red sweatshirt. She then points at Akon and the crowd goes wild.
Now, the card trick is brilliant. Takes a lot of coordination and cooperation to pull that off.
Its still magical but that's because we want it to be magical:)
@@twoeightythreez Kudos to you mehn... Sure if it was a white man you'll have said otherwise... A black man's work is never a brilliant one 👌
The look on Simon's face was priceless. It's funny because part of me wants to know how it was done but part of me wants to keep it magical.
Its all about keeping people's attention fixed on one thing while the "magic" happens in the background.
That big curtain has a double back big enough for a few people to fit inside, you can see how the fabric moves as the crew wheels it away. akon walks behind, while people are fixated on him the crew is changing out the person in the box.
While crowd is fixated on the person in the box, Akon makes his way back to the judge table in a black sweatshirt. Like he literally walked there in plain sight.
Its still magical if you want it to be but it only works because of target fixation which is how humans are wired.
The real magic trick here is the fact that he got away with being a simple Street Magician.
Very clever, Akon. Very clever👌
HAHAHA
😂😬😂😕😂😂
He actually looks like Akon
@Taz Ward, now see the difference here - what Kader Ryans said was an observation, a fact.
What you said was just racist. And it remains a fact that the most hated group are not blacks or hispanics, but whites - the true minority of the world.
Taz Ward nobody asked for your nitwit statement
One of the best magic tricks, illusion whatever you call it. Impressive, fast and mysterious. Big thumbs up !!
im suprised he didnt get a golden buzzer
What? This is a boring trick. No surprises at all.
@GuinnessandPizza
Exactly! But I have already seen better methods and misdirection
GuinnessandPizza ikr you can clearly do better 😤 a lousy trick indeed
@@kWithoutPosting
You don't need to be better for criticise something
"Do not try this at home" - Okay, so what do I need:
1. A few hot assistants
2. A golden handkerchief
3. Shower drapes
4. Some weird kinky glasbox with rectangular holes
AND 15 SWORDS!!
Who in the world would be able to try this at home!? No one owns a handkerchief nowadays!
Hahaha!
We clearly don't run in the same circles. I can think of a few people with most or all the items required to try this at home.
don't for get 2 sets of twins ;)
It was a neckerchief not a handkerchief facts right please 😂😂😂
lol u are a hater
the women sitting in first row at 4:31 saw everything and is wondering why all are clapping :D
Ahahahaha
i think she fell asleep and woke up when everyone was clapping and she was never impressed with the trick
The usual price for silence is a round sum of $ 50 or $ 100. Since this is a 200-year-old trick, no thanks can be given. Most people are happy to be able to collaborate, especially if a nice assistant or a nice magician smiles at them. It is for free.
Illusion buddy it's illusion ...
@@smadadlog9258 she saw him walk from the backstage or under the stage it seems
The lady in the front row at min 4.30 , her reaction "priceless" , she saw the whole switcheroooo :))
I saw that too 😁
But still... How though
Still how did that girl get there so sneaky lol
George Iulian Tudor yeah mate she saw it all unfold. She wasn’t in pressed🙃
She looks more freaked out to me than anything
performs a simple card trick with backflip
everyone: *WTF is happening*
Card Magic 101
He did the classic pass quite obviously though
so true
Yet you can’t do a simple backflip
Indeed, even I saw how he placed the card after getting it back. Very obvious.
I feel bad for his clone under the stage that drowned in a giant tank.
Great film
The Prestige 👌
Lol tough times for some
Don't be ....... because HE is the clone now , the ORIGINAL Magical Bones is the one who drowns !
Classic
My first time I've seen a really good black magician who introduced another great black magician from the past which i never knew existed. Growing up Huddini was the man and we grew up often watching David Copperfield the illusionist. Some how I feel inspired by this great show.
We all know this is not a magic. This is how perfectly the magician does that trick. That's why I respect them so much
Aww I gave Tim a sub
This definitely deserves the golden buzzer, one of the quickest illusion ever with 3 characters swapping in a flash. Hats off.
Absolutely!!!
That was seriously one of the best misdirection magic tricks I've ever seen. Way to go man!!
To bad it’s all staged
I thought it was really obvious... Girls switched during talking... He never went in the box... Just changed sweater after walking behind the moving curtains...
@@michaelradix4856 Yep!
@@michaelradix4856 but that blond girl was next to the jury tho
In the tv we can't see everything, ppl in the front row must have seen the blond girl leave at some point lol
WOW 😳.... That was incredible, I am speechless. The history, The story, The magic.... WOW!!!
"I wish I was like you, easily amused"
What Ever Sadly, some people can’t see pass their own face in the mirror
I’m sure if he paid tribute to Houdini everybody would have something more positive to say 🤔
The inspiring story is what made the magic possible. People who are moved emotionally tend to focus on the person causing those emotions which is how they can pull off such a simple trick.
The card trick is brilliant with the back flip distraction
I am impressed with what they can do, and how they understand the audience. Psycology of it all take some really deep thinking.
Familiar spirits. The use of demonic powers.
Nah, we are stupid in reality making it easy to fool us. I do a coin trick using the French drop. The trick is to keep my eyes on the hand where the coin isnt so the audience will watch the hand allowing me to pocket the coin ,so my other hand will be empty because that is obviously the next place they will look. Never be caught doing it as long as i dont take my eyes off my closed hand. It feels like they will catch it but they dont.
All the tricks are basic illusions just added flare like a back flip. He palms the duplicate pulled from his pocket after simons card is in the middle of the deck and a duplicate card is placed on top of the deck. He turns the deck a few time and pass to the left hand with duplicate card on top. Palms top card place deck in other hand a flips cards in the air , does back flip and the palmed card in his left hand. Slow the video down in options and watch his right hand when he faces his right side to the audience and his left hand when he turns the other way. Hint thats why he turns side to side. Look at how he offers Simon the deck in the beginning, he forcing him to take a specific card out the deck. Notice how his hands and simon hands block the cards . He is giving a specific card from center of the deck. Simon was in on it and knew what to draw on the card already. No demons needed for simple trick like this.
Dec: "Rewind that!"
AGT: *we don't do that here*
That's not AGT but BGT.
When Sadio Mane becomes a magician.
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kompany?
Patric evra
underrated comment 👍
Yep already
3:28 He's actually a Wakandan this trick is simple with the power of vibranium
I just adore Alesha... personality, sense of humor, gorgeous and that infectious laugh! Oh... great trick, too.
Wow, he is good and also bring education with his act. This was really amazing both acts. Continue success.
He might be good but it wasn’t shown in this one. Literally everyone can do this even without training.
Simons face was priceless but I'd need to see the trick without the magic of television editing.
I've read its all scripted. What the artist says, the family etc.
The magic behind it all is that the human brain can be easily tricked. Most of it is simple misdirection. It's cool if you follow the directions. It's not if you break the rules by looking at all the things they are trying to get you not to pay attention to.
There would be no trick then
@@SGxShadow Actually it is cool if you look at all the things they're trying to get you to not pay attention to. What isn't cool is pointing it out to everyone else and ruining the trick, at least so long as the trick is only meant to entertain people. Like what Penn & Teller do on their show Fool Us, they have people perform their tricks, and then they tell the person(s) if they fooled them or not, but they never truly reveal the secret behind the performer's trick. As far as Penn & Teller go, I don't think they're fooled quite as much as they seem to be on the show, but for the really good acts that they see, that amaze even them, I think they will say that they are fooled, even if they aren't.
Keep a camera on every one of them, easy. Magic ? Nar, just edits and jump cuts. Thr audience is paid off to act surprise for the ratings..
The BROTHER was the show, and a "OURSTORY"lesson also.Much respect Black Man!
@Cody Hall you wouldn’t understand. Just as you demonstrated in your statement.
Don't worry yourself about us. Something so minor shouldn't bother you, unless you are insecure. Its great to be white!
@@therealme6528 you people aren’t white, you’re PALE, and don’t you forget it. Case CLOSED
The most intelligent trick I have ever seen on BGT . All the best to him 💯
It's been done before by a British magician who traded places with Shim LIn.
I disagree, the father and son duo impressed me far more.
This trick is so obvious i was trying to find ways to not see how they did it
I love the outfit he has on after he reappears looks very 1800's
Yeah, almost exactly like the outfit Henry Box Brown had in the painted picture.....silly right......womp:)
Really impressive that he didn't fall off the back of the cart as it was slowly rolling to the back of the stage
Ah, I see now.
Really
He is hanging on the top bar so the crowd doesn't see his feet, you can see the fabric move as his body sways a little
@@twoeightythreez at about the 3:50 mark you can see probably his knee move the curtain
why post this? why ruin it for others? like really? it doesn't matter how it was done, it just matters that it was pulled off. Also, audience and judges would've seen him moving from behind it to the spot next to them, and vice versa with Sara
4:38 Bro that woman up in the front doesn't look all that impressed xD
probably because she saw what happened or how they did it :p
In my opinion she looked shocked that she hadn’t noticed the switch happen.
CNN just did a full investigation into this. She's a racist
I guess she saw what Alesha saw 3:44 Alesha spoiled it for me 😁
Neither am I.
This is the best magic I've ever seen in my 14 years of living
Go watch Fool Us for hours at a time, and tell me that again 😉
You need to get out more, kid.
Simon when the blond hair shows up was a mood
Card pass 😫😫 and he kicked the curtain when being rolled out 😱🤣🤣
I will be impressed if Simon inserts the card back into the deck randomly instead of passing the card to his hand.
the entire point of that card trick was to set up his appearance next to Simon. Its a distraction for something else. And he could have literally done that card trick one hundred different ways. By now everyone knows what forces and other beginner magician techniques are.
@@thtadthtshldntbe yeah, good magicians can have an audiences focus exactly where they want it to be.
I still haven't the slightest of clues on how he could of pulled that off, but having a pretty good understanding of at least basic magic, it's probably more straight forward than it appears to be.
says do not try at home, even Harry porter won’t try this at home
I think its telling dads not to do the disappearing act
Magician: He freed himself by mailing himself to Philadelphia. What an amazing feat.
Harriet Tubman: Hold my coffee
My friend`s father freed himself by grabbing the gun, that was lying closely, and shooting the ones who kept him in a basement. One native guy, two afgani, one was just brown. And that`s in his hometown. 90`s, huh.
Sorry Harriet Tubman have lots of help.
I dare you to mail yourself
I love magic , even if it’s studio edited and the audience is paid off to act shocked
I can't give 1k likes
Ps:The only like is from me
Fala bosta não
Simon: I'm gonna draw a peepee on the card instead of writing my name.
Lol
Lol!
😆 😆
I noticed that too lol
lmao
Presentation was everything. I feel like I went on a journey. Awesome 👏🏾
Agreed 100% ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
That’s was amazing ! Both educational , positively inspired and just dam right skill full
I can't help feel like the episode editing helps ALOT haha
Yeah probably, being there you would have seen the whole exchange between the blonde girl and him
Magnificent!!! His whole message had me in tears!! This performance is MOST MEMORABLE!!! NYC🤟
The real magic that I never seen before
I don't wanna be that guy. But his 'magic' was garbage
@@interstellarlunar4597 but it's feel real
@@W.Dickson9374 it wasn't very original, if you've seen a lot of acts you've seen that before. But if it entertained you that's great! That's all that matters!! =)
If you want to see some great acts check Shin Lim and Eric Chien. These two have been world champions in close-up magic.
@@grafficacma yh bro you got right
Huh? Wow you must be new to deception and slow brained.
Mann!!! I swear these cameras is worst than WWE cameras 🤦🏽♂️
Ska L cameras were part of the trick. See how they took the camera off the girl standing next to Simon.
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@fal8872 that's the art of magic.. to fool and distract people, guide them trough your story, etc. You can't do that with 20 camera's looking everywhere xd
Thats why they said "rewind" at the end 😂
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4:01 lexi lore. Your welcome 😂😂
How who's the blonde girl?
Now this is what I am taling about, this is real talent.
everybody in the comments stop hating on him and just appreciate how crazy he is.
Crazy? That was one of the lamest magic performances I've ever seen. He does a card trick that even a child could do and his main act was plain and simple not good. You could tell from the first watch how he did it. Easy. I'm not impressed when I can see through a magic trick without even thinking.
@@leathersausage-_- imagine hating on someone who worked hard
leathersausage why r u hating? tbh you should have never commented because your just wasting your time hating on an act that they worked hard on
@@leathersausage explain.
He copied somebody else's trick that was done YEARS ago, crazy huh?
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it does not matter how he has done it, its just mind blowing, absolutely incredible
Probably the best trick I’ve ever seen in my life and I have studied magic for almost 50 years
Just saw this after watching Lupin. Great illusion even when you know how it's done. Wonderful setup.
How’s that a great illusion? Everyone figures this one out it’s super bad and hardly an illusion.
Hahaa, I remember this guy from when he fooled the Sidemen XD
can u share that video ?
@@ayaanmangi419 Type 'Magician fools the Sidemen'
Click on the video posted by Simon (Miniminter)
I love that Girl who appears in the Cage with blond hair
I think i love her too
Thirsty much?
@@ayandamthimkhulu1264 Yeah Me too Kinda
@@barblenarf 😂
U spoilt it for me
The world could use real men like him as real teachers right now in 2021 😊👍🏻
That was just Amazing, Vegas needs to hire this guy and like now.
watch the woman behind him when he "appears" next to Simon. She saw the whole switch lol
Yeah around 4:18 you can see the aerial shot of everyone, and if you look at the front row on the left they all are leaning forward and saw the switch
What time frame ? I don’t see anything ...
Ryan Nong no one saw it
Yeah you can clearly see the man with the big bald head lookin to his right at the dude lmao it’s so obvious
Yep
Took skill and practice to pull off in front of that many people (goated)
4:17 the guy in the front row already knows, already saw everything, you cant fool everyone with a trick like this :P
also, the way the judge on the end has his chair positioned, he also saw the change :)
@@PeterParker-vq2cz interesting
I love Sword Art Online
That means this show are fake even the audience, simon decides for the contestant what he wants to do
@@ALgene1013 Is this a theory or do you have evidence that suggest to your statement??
He is the best ............ And above all
He deserves golden buzzer. Even he expected that
Using magic to improve the human consciousness is the real alchemy. the real magic.
So did he improved your "Consciousness" 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
ZENSIBLE considering he spoke about history, spoke about hope, and then did something that almost seemed impossible. Yes he did improve the human consciousness. And if you want more then I suggest you learn about “magick” as opposed to “magic”
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3:48 Notice how the curtain is first pushed to stage left (He was behind the curtain and he exits to end up standing next to judges table), and then it is pushed slightly to the right. The girl in the box at the end is a lookalike/twin, who was hiding in a 2nd box that was switched out behind the curtain.
I mean its pretty obvious he exited when the wheeled the curtain over to the side of the stage lol
I don't think you need a lookalike. Look at the swords' placement. Almost all are just in the front. If you remove the backside of the box, super easy for a flexible girl to get into position.
He should have done it the Penn & Teller version where it all gets done a second time but this time without the curtain!
Better you do it live and share a video if you are such a magic expert 🤦🏽♂️
@@sansar426 You're welcome to come and watch me live but I don't share videos. Too many trolls like you.
I think it would have been cooler if he just put his hand on Simon's shoulder on that close up and Simon looks up.. that would have been dope.
How is it even possible. Incredible is very small word for this magic. Superb.
4:32 to 4:33 the lady had the most unsurprised face ever.
Probably because she saw the whole thing happen in front of her
she dislikes black folks. she hoped dude gone furreal :)
The guy on her left probably did see the switch too, but yet he follows the sheep herd and the show to stand up and clap with everyone. :D I guess a lot of people there just went with the flow.
Flawless execution! Its a super complicated maneuver that takes so much practice to master. If you watch closely when he hands the blonde girl the neckerchief and watch him as he walks away, you'll find that you still have absolutely no clue how tf he did it...
Wtf? 🤦🏻♂️ flawless? Was so obvious.
T&K Xo I couldn’t catch it. How did he do it ?
@@The_k150 the lighting allowed him to switch places with her. If you never watched the movie called The Prestige check it out. They perform a similar magic trick.
@@The_k150 what sucks is with this show you only get one angle at a time and when they pull the quick slip we dont see the angle. Check out the movie and it will make sense bud
T&K Xo Watched the summary. Pretty cool ! I seen a comment about a twin. But the switch would have to happen right in front of the crowd. Next to Simon. And in front of a couple of the crowd members. Explain please 🙏🏾
The best magic I have ever seen!
This magic got me lost. I didn't get get lost. I'm still a here.😄😃🤣😂
That's why I always want fixed cameras etc. But of course it's for entertaining and it does 👌🏻
The reaction of the girl at his back LMAO😂 4:32
I went out of word but this was beyond phenomenal. Interesting and inspiring
Phenomenal and speechless!!!
What is amazing is the way the judges feign the surprise and amazed look on their faces.
He should do shows in Las Vegas. That was impressive.
The outfit change of the century goes to...
0:46 you can see him palm the card, he gotta watch those camera angles they will kill a trick. But that last trick was real good though.
When he did the card catching flip, I remembered, he also performed in front of sidemen
When?
Ohhhhhhhhhh yeahh
@@Spooker132 on miniminters channel in like 2017
wew seems like this is the intro to
Assassin’s Creed: The Magic Odyssey
From a bad boy to a clever magician! Well done Rodman!
He deserved the golden buzzer
Really cool story about Henry Brown. Inspiring for sure.
What’s really cool is that both black and white abolitionists helped him escape. No limit to what we can do as Americans if we ever decide to work together.
00:43 use frame by frame play. He pulls the card from the centre of the deck down to the bottom of the deck. He then hides it in his left hand whilst he throws the rest of the deck into the air with his right hand. If you frame by frame it during his backflip you can see the card is there in his left hand all along.
Wow you had to break it down frame by frame to get that? That trick was just for show diverting your attention away from the real trick of the show
wonderful... that is easy to figure out even with out frame by frame, but tell me: you just figure out how the hell he do the disapering stunt trick?
@@DragonJadeGalactiko Considering that we only get to see what the cameras show us, its not easy to figure out. For starters I'd be guessing that the blonde girl Sarah has a twin sister that was hiding in the curtain-box-shelter thing. Notice how they roll the curtain-box thing near the stage exit after using it? That would allow the magician to hide in the curtain and then exit the stage whilst Sarahs twin is appearing out of the sword box. Then the magician can sneak around to where the original Sarah is and trade places with her. You can actually see people looking at "Sarah/Magician" in the front row near where she was standing. I think they saw them trade places but the judges and most of the audience didn't because they were being distracted by whats happening on stage. Just my opinion.
Why does it matter how he did it? Just give yourself to the moment. Enjoy the wonder and joy that comes with just embracing the illusion. That's what magic is all about - illusion. I think we all need a little distraction, illusion and wonder in our lives right now. I know I do. And will watch it over and over again ... cause it makes me so very happy.
I love it how they say "Do not try this at home" but you already know there's that one idiot watching
Yup, still stuck in a glass box surrounded by swords thinking wtf?
Definitely should've been golden buzzer
4:38 the girl sitting next him is not shocked what happens.
She is former of this trick
No that’s a look of being too shooked
See the first act, he keeps one card on left hand even before he jump. 😂
This guy was really clever in his performance. He knew that its sob stories not actual talent that wins a Got Talent shows.
He didn't really have a sad story though lol. He wasn't a slave, neither were his parents, or even their parents.
Also, he's talking about slavery in the US and he's from London. So basically he's pandering.
He looks like he should've already been famous! Awesome performance
One of fabulous magic ever seen in my life... it's really appreciating
That's the best magic I've ever seen in my life
The back door on the glass opens . There are no swords that go through the back side . Lol
also you can see the curtain pinched by the back hinge.
Freaking out of this world ,its not magic its just what any time traveler does.Mind blowing man.
Yeah .. that's what I was thinking .... there are so much secrets in the world
3:44. That moment that she sees the girl leave. Shes like, uh, where are you going?
What was the actual trick? They should stop using blinding like curtains. A child can figure that out...
Unbelievable act!!!
IM FROM PHILIPPINES IM AMAZE THATS THE REAL MAGIC
WHEN HE FLIPPED HE KEPT THE CARD IN HIS HAND LOOK VERY CLOSELY AND SLOW IT DOWN 0:58
Obviously
Don't see it. Look at how held the cards
*ITS COMMON SENSE* What do you think that magic is real
Did you expect reel magic to exist?
Thank you...I thought it was real
The whole point of the"swords" (sometimes locks are used) is to give the magician time to get to where they need to be.
oh boy, here we go... someone trying to explain a magic trick LOL
@John Ten what's your explanation then? Real magic? Lol, you're the one who can't be serious. Both of his tricks are easy to explain. Both simple misdirection.
The card trick: He palms the card Simon signed and recalled it when he threw the rest in the air and flipped (the misdirection).
The box: Brunette goes in the box, blonde walks onstage behind the curtain. As he gives his speech after the curtain is placed around the box the blonde and brunette switch places. He walks behind the curtain and remains there until the curtain is moved to the side of the stage giving him his exit. The brunette, now out of the box, reveals the blonde in the box. During the reveal (the misdirection) he moves to the aisle, where he is standing when the blonde eventually points him out to the crowd.
R C was exactly right, and you're gullible.
@@KiwiPokerPlayer so your name is kiwi, and mr kiwi can you hear yourself
This is best one. Handsoff you legend
it is amazing that you are all work together to make this show and make millions
The presentation was exceptionally brilliant.
It seems that what makes a great illusionist. They give a great or gimmicky presentation to distract their audience while they do their illusion.
@@legasiguy551 not sute cuz i ain't one. But maybe. Nice thought process
What I'd like to see is a camera view next to the judges' desk where the assistant to magician switch appeared to see how they executed it and how many audience members and/or judges took obvious notice. I mean, seeing the girl walk away (or the magician enter the same spot) should ruin the trick even for those who wouldn't figure out the secrets otherwise.
Misdirection. Judges were completly focus on the box and nothing else. Not sure they even saw something
@@Dylan-zm1nh Yeah - if we had a top-down camera this "magic" would be a comedy act. Imagine them running around =)
You know it is a good act when you know how they do it, yet you still watch it any and every time it comes up on you YT.
I know exactly how that's done. But his performance in doing it was very exquisite and intriguing then the way I've seen it done before