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So just to clarify, Alaska's orientation of the Big Dipper was correct. The North Star is not a part of the constellation itself and can be located by drawing a line through the two stars at the edge of the Big Dipper's 'cup' which is on the opposite side from the 'handle' and following it from the star from the pair that is on the 'lip' of the cup.
came down to the comments to post this, thank you for saving me the trouble
@@Darasilverdragon @karateman302 me as well however the vertical representation should have the North star on the TOP
@@electricnight6484 Well yeah dude no shit
We're not government officials, we have basic common sense
Technically there is one mistake. The Florida flag is more based on the Spanish-based Cross of Burgundy.
Also, Utah’s new flag will be officially used starting next year.
Yea, Alabama’s flag is based off the fact that southern Alabama was once part of Spanish Florida. That said, Florida has more claim in my opinion to the Red Cross flag then Alabama ever has due to historical context
@@insanity693
Alabama’s a bit more complicated because some evidence suggests it might have some Confederate origins. This is why people assume the same of Florida’s, which never fails to irk me.
@@stevenchoza6391 that may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that Alabama does a have a claim to the flag design due to part of its territory being old Spanish Florida. Florida it self has always had a superior claim to it in that regard, but Alabama still has a claim none the less.
@@insanity693
I’m aware… but given the confusion with Alabama… and the fact that’s Alabama, people assume it’s Confederate rather than Spanish in origin (again, not helped by the conflicting historical record).
And since people assume Florida’s flag is a copy of Alabama’s, it gets lumped into a Confederate Battle Flag homage, which never ceases to irk me as a Floridian.
@@stevenchoza6391 I have seen that before. Usually, my response is to look up the necessary information online and show them. Sometimes if it’s someone I know and the come by my house, I bring out the old history books I have in the closet.
The reason SC doesn't have the Angel Oak is because the Angel Oak didn't protect Charleston from cannonballs. The Palmetto did.
I’m a native of South Carolina so I’m probably a bit biased because I like my state flag. The reason why the flag has a palmetto tree on it is because of an attempted naval invasion by the British in Charleston harbor in 1776. The only defense the harbor had at the time was a fort made of palmetto logs. If that had fallen, the U.S. war for independence would have probably been lost.
A fellow South Carolina native in the wild, sup.
As a fellow South Carolinian. Grey's bias bs is the only thing keeping SC from at the very least a B tier.
@@SGTvolcan I mean I prefer the other guy's flag tier list honestly, but Gray is a classic.
Nice to see another SC local. I honestly think the flag is nice, simple, and deserving of minimum C but not S.
I’m a Californian and the South Carolina flag was in the back of my head as a quality state flag, so you’re not biased to pushback on hate for it.
Maryland's flag is two coats of arms connected to Cecil Calvert, 2nd Baron Baltimore, who first founded the colony: The Calvert black and gold for Cecil's father George Calvert, and the Crossland red and white for his maternal grandmother.
Definitely very honorary to its colonial roots, but extremely unique out of most of the flag designs in the States. Proud to be a Marylander!
As an Arizonan I’m disappointed you didn’t point out that the bands on our flag represent the 5 C’s of Arizona, Climate, Cattle, Cotton, Copper, and Citrus.
As someone from Michigan, Grey got it completely right. Our flag sucks. We could have something based on our natural beauty up north.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see this video vanish Grey’s been going around throwing copyright strikes at people who’ve reacted to this one.
CGP just double copyright struck VTH for reactions. You guys might want to watch out.
Who's VTH?
@@CyanoTex Vlogging Through History. He does history videos and reactions mostly.
I’m honestly surprised CGP Grey hasn’t his this with a copyright strike yet…
Same, lol
@@adampatterson2195so you're telling me, that these guys ask a youtuber who openly said that he hates reaction videos and he cool with it? Wow.
23:26 If there is one thing we Marylander's can agree on, it's that our flag is S-Tier and nothing anyone says can convince us otherwise. I'm kind of sad that Grey didn't talk about the reasoning for the colors and how it looked more like medieval heraldry.
The black and gold checker pattern is the symbol of the House of Calvert, the Barons of Baltimore and the founders of our state; and the Red and Silver cross meaning is debated. Some think it's meant to represent the Calverts Catholic faith and loyalty to the pope, and others think that it was meant to represent the House of Arundel; for Cecil Calvert's maternal grandmother.
Yeah, a lot of states go with the "seal on a bedsheet" design. With Utah abandoning theirs, hopefully more states follow.
How did VTH get copyrighted, but this video is still up...
Exactly I'm confused
Maybe it’s because they asked beforehand and got permission since they know he hates reaction content
8:54 californian here... I have literally never heard anyone here try to pretend we were ever independent in any meaningful way. I have no idea where you got that from.
9:40 also as a californian... yeah I agree. A silhouette and the name removed would probably look a lot better.
The word republic on the California flag is a reference to the short time California was its own country. It didn’t last very long, but it happened.
Wait so CGPGrey strikes VTH’s reaction video and this is still up?
Lucky u
Yeah I'll it a week until this video is taken down.
Video still up after 2 days which is kinda weird
Man, this aged poorly
Might I recommend Zach’s Gun Rants by Mikeburnfire. You can make it a several part series as there’s several hours of content
Glad to see you guys reviewing CGP Grey videos after the last video you reacted to him which was 2 years ago, and that earned you guys a sub!
Heads up guys, CGP is copyright striking a lot of reactions to this vid
But not this video
good.
@@zidane8452 *_yet_*
@@eksboks148 been 2 weeks. Grey obviously ain't gonna take this down. He specifically targeted VTH
@@zidane8452 idk man never say never
The Alabama state flag is meant to represent the Cross of St Andrew (not to be confused with the Cross of Burgundy, which is the inspiration for Florida’s flag) and was adopted in 1895
What I just replied with is a link to the Spanish embassy, do with it what you will
It looks more like the cross of burgundy, and the heritage is there for it to be used.
It's looks exactly like the Saint George Cross on the English flag.
South Carolina is D tier!? Oh hell no. What Grey doesn't realize is that back in 1776, The British attempted to invade Charleston, who's only defense was a fort made of Palmetto wood. When the British fired their cannons upon it, *the cannonballs bounced off!* If it weren't for that, they would've won. The Palmetto saved the state. It deserves to be on the flag. As for the moon, it's not a moon. The design originated with Col. William Moultrie, who took the blue of his soldiers' coats and the crescent shape from their hats to fashion a signal to let the city of Charleston know if and when the British were coming during the Battle of Sullivan's Island prior to the Revolutionary War. For such a great teacher, he really needed to do more research.
Doesn't matter how symbolic your flag is if everyone sees something else when they look at it. Go back to the drawing board.
@cerberus0225 Or... and hear me out here... flags are more than just pieces of fabric we use to tell different regions or nations from each other. They're symbols of a people. Sometimes the best way to make a representative symbol is to break those "precious rules" and do things which don't necessarily make sense to outsiders. They're guidelines, not hard rules, and plenty of proposed designs follow them without being half as good as what states already have because they're corporate and sterile.
We in Pennsylvania could replace our flag with, say, a keystone flag, or the Liberty Bell, but those designs fall flat because in the end, they look like they were cooked up by a boardroom. Aesthetics can't be nailed down to a set of rules, and neither can national mythology, and trying to do so makes designs that feel artificial. That's what this tier list falls prey to- it grades flags based on how well they follow rules rather than whether they're actually distinct or inspiring.
@@TheAngryXenite Except that flags actually do serve actual functions, which make things like fine details useless as its supposed to be identifiable from a distance, distinctive, and easily replicated. Its also not supposed to have text because if you have to slap your name on it, then you haven't exactly succeeded in making a symbol that identifies you. As for other text, it can work if its part of the design and I do think Grey goes too harsh on that point.
Despite what you might think, it's possible to have symbolism on a flag that is meaningful to the people it represents while also not being confusing to other people. Claiming that your crescent moon isn't a crescent moon and it's actually a hat is lazy. It's a white crescent on a blue background, put up in the air above a tree. It's a moon, don't try to argue otherwise, because that's what every other person on the planet would see and reasonably assume it to be. If you want a crescent-shaped hat, make that instead. As for the palmetto, I have no issue with it aside from the specific depiction being a bit ugly.
Finally, you seem to be confusing good flag design with corporate minimalism, because good flag design is also minimalist. Sorry to burst your bubble about this, but as it turns out, symbols and effectively identifying yourself through them works the same whether you're a country or a corporation. Saying that good flags look like corporations made them is just admission that corporations are good at the same kind of symbolism, which I'd certainly hope they'd be considering how much they spend on marketing.
@@TheAngryXenite But that isn't what the video is about...
might want to know, cgp grey and is copyright striking people who react to him
I'm from California, we got a bad grade. But he's not wrong haha
With the big dipper you arc to Arcturus. You use the sides to point to the North Star.
Oi there is a channel called vlogging through history and he got 2 copywrite claim from cp grey so I advise not reacting to his content anymore.
Apparently CP Grey has never heard of fair use.
As a Mississippian I strongly believe that we deserved at least a B! 😂
I’d be careful with this channel he’s been copyrighting channels
This is one of my favorites from Grey in a bit
Also, the two stars at the end of the big dipper point to Polaris (the north star). The north star is the last star in the tail of the little dipper (Ursa Minor).
Greeting from New Mexico 😊😊
Japan got one of those "I was in the beta and took one of the best usernames" type of flags
Even the flags of the prefectures are really good, though some of them look more like company logos than flags. Still, I'll take that over any seal-bearing blue flag.
I don't know if you're familiar with the channel Vlogging Through History, but CGP Grey has filed two copyright strikes against him in the last couple of days without any kind of warning, so you might want to be careful about reacting to his videos, you're not dealing with a very nice person. Good luck to you.
I think the CGP gray should be able to stop people from uploading his videos again just pausing it and talking about it if he wants since he spends months on every video he makes
Update vlogging though history just recently had a victory against cgp grey because he got this same video back on his CZcams channel and one other cgp grey video as well plus vlogging though history said that he would not react to anymore cgp grey videos so both sides win.😅👍🏻🥰
it's kinda adds to it, that Grey actually used to work as teacher. Physics iirc
He must’ve been a horrible teacher considering how petty he is and willing to shut down any criticism.
Ok now I’m convinced that CGP is targeting VTH
Wisconsinite here, I wanted to see our flag updated for such a long time and I'm still waiting.
I may be biased since I'm from here but Virginia has one of the sickest flags out there.
The reason the brown bear in californias flag is scared is because now the california brown bear has gone extinct.
As a Native Utahn, I'm so happy that we're getting a new flag that can finally compare to our 4 corner neighbors (Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico)
The Alabama flag is based on the Cross of Burgundy, a symbol used by the Spanish Empire for a long time as it flag, only the knots were removed. And check out what the New Mexico flag was in 1912. My eyes almost fell out seeing that horrible thing hahahahaha
You should watch huggbees roasting the state welcome signs, flags, and license plates
23:52 first time I saw Maryland's flag, I thought "What Holy Roman State is this?"
Here’s the thing about his reasoning for South Carolina being low, the palmetto and crescent moon are incredibly important to its states history. The palmetto was incredibly important in the defense of fort sumpter and the crescent moon was a symbol worn by soldiers, and used by Charleston to know if British were coming.
video starts at 5:10, in case you guys wanted a timestap to click to to skip all the intro stuff.
reaction starts at 5:10
Yeah, my state was intense it fell off the bottom and landed back on the top.
S-tier!
Just for clarification, North and South Carolina were never one state; they were one colony before 1712 and were two colonies for many decades before admitted to the Union in 1788 (SC) and 1789 (NC).
In flag nerd circles most of these are called SOBs: Seals on Bedsheets. Not good.
Shout out to Mississippi and Utah for the glow ups tho
I would highly recommend not reacting to CGP Grey anymore, he’s currently going after another channel Vlogging Through History and has given him 2 strikes in a couple days forcing him to delete the rest of his reactions from the channel. He might try and go after you guys too
30:04-30:20 HELL YEAH, S-TIER! Totally not biased at all!
My home state, Tennessee, got A tier.
Honestly, I agree, we do have a great flag.
Personally I think Georgia should replace the top left corner with a Megalodon tooth, the state fossil
Great reaction!
25:38 did not touch on WHY the union jack was there as that is technically the last Official Kingdom of Hawaii flag , it was adopted duirng (iirc) the war of 1812 to show neutrality to Hawaii's buggest economic partners, the United States and Great Britain, who were at war at the time , hence why it combines BOTH flags
Fun fact, Russia is also represented in the flag as the stripes are the colours of Russia. So, it actually represents the 3 major powers around it at the time.
@@doodlebug4360 uhm no? The russian flag has no representation on the flag whatsoever, i mean even if you say its based off of the colors , but the Russian Flag was Withe , Blue, Red , The Kingdom of Hawaii has it White Red Blue,
Plus the Russians and Hawaiian Kingdoms didnt officially interact until 1869 , 26 years after the flag was standardized
Yeehaw friendos,
There is one thing the guy didn't mention about my flag, the single star, we're called 'the Lone Star state' which, and the white for purity, red for courage, and blue for loyalty
When you try to remember which flag had an animal silhouette, correctly guess Wyoming, then un-correct yourself by settling on Montana, literally one of the first flags Grey had gone over, and the first one he put front and centre, less than two minutes prior
I really like the Iowa flag since it's just the French Flag but with more stuff on it which means it's cooler
So the reason we here in Arizona have the copper star is because we lead the country in copper production. We also produce a substantial portion of the country's molybdenum as a byproduct of copper mining.
Alabama's flag is St. Andrew's Cross (decussate cross, saltire,) in Red it does conflict with a few others so I'd only give it an "A" vs an "S"
To answer your question about the meaning of Scotland’s flag (which probably inspired Alabama’s), Saint Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland, was crucified on an X-shaped cross.
Just gotta say "The Stars at night are big and bright... clap clap clap clap ..."
I’m an Alaskan and I love our state flag because it’s the Big Dipper and it has a heart warming story behind that the flags makings so um yeah
As someone very much into flag design, I take a lot of issue with some of Grey's choices. Particularly when it comes to California and Colorado, he was far harsher than necessary, and his own biases pushing NC much higher up than they deserve is frustrating, and with South Carolina, a flag that is fantastic and his design is just straight up worse by comparison, putting it down in D feels ridiculous
I've also come around to the option that text is not inherently a flag ruiner; if the rest of the design is good then text doesn't intrinsically ruin the flag, like with California or Mississippi. California especially with it's text is calling back to their first flag and an important, if brief, part of their history.
I think the issue with his tier list is that he assigns general rules for flag design (don't use words, keep the design very simple and easily recognizable from a distance, etc) and then grades flags based on how they adhere to those rules, rather than a more subjective sense for the aesthetics of the individual flag. Speaking as a Pennsylvanian, I've seen proposed redesigns, and I'd rather we keep our current one over most. They meet his standards (simple color scheme, simple design, obvious symbology, more easily recognizable)... in fact, the problem is that they meet his standards *too well.* They feel artificial because they're ultimately designed the same way he decides good flags (follow this ruleset even when it makes the flag less striking or diminishes its history) and it makes them feel phoned in. Our flag isn't good, but it's better than some minimalist design that's just a keystone arch.
The fault wIth Grey and many vexillology geeks is that they zealously follow the five rules of flag design. The rules are meant to be a guide, but they aren't the end all be all because "good design" isn't objective in any way possible. Rules are fine to break if breaking them makes a unique and well designed flag, meanwhile following them all doesn't matter in the end if all it creates is a bland, uninspired flag.
The recent flag redesigns in Mississippi and Utah prove just how following the rules don't matter. Mississippi made a beautiful, meaningful, flag that was quickly adopted by the people within that state despite breaking the five rules. Utah faithfully followed the rules yet the flag is just a boring, corporate-looking logo that will probably be replaced again in a decade.
Thing is, it's HIS tier list, so it's his opinions.
22:10 West Virginia's flag needs a desperate update
As a resident of Idaho, that hurt.
There is no color better than copper for the star in Arizona's flag. We are the copper industry state.
native of Georgia I'm pretty sure our flag has changed the most out of all of them, it was the classic confederate battle flag with that same crest on it. funny how it still is a battle flag now
As a Minnesotan, I wholly agree with Grey's assessment of the current flag of Minnesota, but I strongly oppose his proposal for a replacement (along with most other recent proposals that have been made for a new flag for Minnesota).
The thing about Minnesota's flag woes is that there is a perfectly viable proposal for a new flag that was first proposed in 1989: The North Star Flag (there is an image in the "Criticism and calls for redesign" section of Wikipedia's article about the flag of Minnesota, if anyone's interested). The main reason why the Minnesota Legislature refused to adopt the North Star Flag was because the legislators felt the current flag was "tradition" (weird, considering the current version was adopted six years before the North Star Flag was proposed) and should be preserved for that reason. Since that time, there have been a flood of new proposals, but the North Star Flag still remains the most popular proposal, and all any other proposals have been doing is fracturing the support base for adopting a new flag. IMO, all of the support for changing Minnesota's flag should be aligned behind the North Star Flag, or else the change will never happen.
One proposal I really like involves adopting the North Star Flag as state flag, making the current flag a gubernatorial standard, and bringing back the 1893 flag as a "state banner."
Not to mention, the California Brown bear has been extint for 101 years.
I was raised in Tennessee and I always thought it was pronounced (Apple-Asia) rather than (Apple-at-chya)
I really like Bhutan's flag, because it has a dragon on it.
Reaction begins at 4:50
4:50 for folks that like to skip the "witty" banter.
The flag of Alabama is in honor of its time as part of the Spanish Empire, the flag reflects the design of the original Spanish Imperial Naval ensign
Vermont was a country for 14 years!
Omg you did it !! You did it !! Hehehe
Arkansas - Remove the name, and we'd have a perfect flag.
Personally, I think the name works with the design. I also didn't realize how many states chose to use blue as a base color. I thought there were a lot more red flags.
Can you react to "The States React To Walking In On You Changing!"
MN here!
As a Kansan, it's simple and shows off our history, so you can't blame us. But if we modified it, it would be nice but I like ours. Which could use a sunflower more.
Here's how I'd make the California flag better. Add the word new and give the bear another head
23:00 I personally give it FF Tier because I'm more of a Gray Mane person
Careful, Grey appears to be a petty individual who goes after reactor type channels by immediately issuing copyright strikes.
...Do you mean "a *petty* individual"?
@@Emmariscobar 😂
Yeah, he gets pretty upset when lazy-ass f&cks sit on their ass to make money off of the actual work of other people. Crazy.
appears to be? for doing it once in I don't know how many years? isn't more likely that there is another reason?
Georgia should probably be the next state to change its flag. They should change it because the design that the seal is placed on is the main flag of the Confederacy (the Stars and Bars) during the Civil War. If Mississippi ditched the popular Confederate flag (the flag of the First Virginia Battalion, Lee's Army) in favour of the magnolia flower, then why doesn't Georgia ditch their Confederate flag?
Well, in my opinion, it should be up to the people which flag they want their state to have. Even if the states remove or change all confederate symbols. It’s not like they can do anything about people flying confederate flags going down the highway or in their front yards.
@Insanity It should be their choice, but flying a Confederate-derived design is questionable considering they're states and the Confederacy was a bunch of rebels and traitors fighting to split the Union because they lost an election. It's a dumb hill to die on when they've got so much history to call on outside of those four years where their ancestors shot at their countrymen.
@@TheAngryXenite fair enough, but you operate under the assumption that everyone who fought for the confederacy did so of their own free will. That is not the case. There is a movie called “Free State of Jones” that depicts what I’m talking about quite well. The confederate flag that so many call racist is only a battle flag. In my opinion, that battle flag represents those who fought and died without ever being given a choice in the matter. That flag is their memorial. I say this because I am descended from some of those who were forced to fight. At the time, those who were able to fight yet refused to fight were usually hanged.
what are the chances
Pennsylvania native here. I've done the work and I honestly think we could keep our design with minimal changes. Just blow up the design a bit, make the flag black with the central emblem being made white, and (kind of meming now) make the flag shaped like the state. Because fuck Rhode Island and Ohio being the only ones with irregular flag shapes. I've seen a number of proposed redesigns and they have a tendency to overrely on the Keystone symbol, which makes them feel a bit... artificial.
Also, people keep suggesting truly heinous color schemes. No, bright yellow and navy blue is NOT pleasing to the eye. Please, stop.
5:10
Thanks Caleb the Calebman!
Thanks
As a native New Jerseyan, I really can't complain. I actually think we got a pass.
As a native from Tennessee, Nate, it is West middle and East Tennessee. I’m from middle Tennessee. I got so angry when you said central Tennessee it’s middle.
Im just here so cpg grey aint getting money
Pennsylvania flag is commerce
It's been a week now and it's still up, CGPrick definitely targeting vth
C tier. It's a passing grade. I'll take it
Oklahoma, the only state flag to feature tobacco, in other words, a drug.
Yay Texas
The Alabama flag is just the flag of England
No, that flag is derived from the cross of burgundy, Which is a flag of the old Spanish empire. Parts of Alabama were once part of Spanish Florida, it’s why both Alabama and Florida have a similar flag design.
The New York City flag is better than the state flag. They get rid of the basic blue background.
Nc failed 😔
Edit: W C Tier Flag 🎉🎆🎆🎆🎆
Hailing from Michigan and I love our flags design.
Yeah say what you want about Alabama but at least our flag is better then most flags
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Ey grey, haven't found this video yet I see huh?