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  • čas přidán 27. 04. 2024
  • The new privilege escalation against the Linux is absolutely wild. In this video we talk about what a privesc is, how they typically work, and why the techniques used in this one are so wild
    Writeup: pwning.tech/nftables/
    PoC: github.com/Notselwyn/CVE-2024...
    Author: / notselwyn
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  • @LowLevelLearning
    @LowLevelLearning  Před měsícem +265

    Thanks for watching guys! ( come learn C at lowlevel.academy 🥺)

    • @Daniel-vs7it
      @Daniel-vs7it Před měsícem +1

      hi

    • @Alfred-Neuman
      @Alfred-Neuman Před měsícem +6

      Ha! I always knew Linux was unsafe!
      That's why I'm still using Windows 98 and I only connect to the internet with my 56k modem...

    • @drpoundsign
      @drpoundsign Před měsícem +1

      @@Alfred-Neuman LUV that toilet-flushing sound.
      I DO hope you are being Facetious and Sarcastic.

    • @real_yoplayer1
      @real_yoplayer1 Před měsícem

      ​No, @@drpoundsign, Windows 98 is the newest version of Windows, safe and secure

    • @ChuckNorris-lf6vo
      @ChuckNorris-lf6vo Před měsícem

      OK but I need to debloat my android phones can I use this to root and debloat ?

  • @lawrencemanning
    @lawrencemanning Před měsícem +2773

    Back in the good old days if you forgot your root password you could get back in just by running /usr/bin/ping (which was always setuid root) with a long option. Now you have to do all this extra compiling. Linux is just not as user friendly as it used to be.

    • @icicleditor
      @icicleditor Před měsícem +40

      Can one run a live version of your os from a stick and change it that way? I think its intended that way too?

    • @timurkravchenko7824
      @timurkravchenko7824 Před měsícem +185

      @@icicleditor you missed the joke)
      ofc he can

    • @icicleditor
      @icicleditor Před měsícem +53

      Apologies, haha, im learning linux stuff as of early this year so ive got rudimentary knowledge without any of the in-jokes, haha

    • @dragoscosma84
      @dragoscosma84 Před měsícem

      If its not too encrypted.​@@icicleditor

    • @VitisCZ
      @VitisCZ Před měsícem +79

      @@icicleditor yeah as long as the drive isn't encrypted anyone can just boot up live cd and overwrite the root password

  • @PS_Tube
    @PS_Tube Před měsícem +1125

    It was discovered in January, 2024. And has been patched already. All the rolling distributions would have the patch already installed. Ubuntu has already issued the patch back in Jan.

    • @rbgtk
      @rbgtk Před měsícem +41

      Thanks!

    • @maxturgeon89
      @maxturgeon89 Před měsícem +174

      Thanks! That definitely should have been part of the video

    • @sunilpaul6891
      @sunilpaul6891 Před měsícem +34

      I got really worried because i run linux; thanks

    • @zeckma
      @zeckma Před měsícem +5

      Thanks for informing us!

    • @TurtleKwitty
      @TurtleKwitty Před měsícem +117

      @@sunilpaul6891 A professional researched bug like this is always patched before it becomes public like this, assume its fixed unless it's mentioned it's not

  • @Swampdragon102
    @Swampdragon102 Před měsícem +696

    The most shocking part of this video was that 2016 was 8 years ago.

  • @stopcensoringmen5044
    @stopcensoringmen5044 Před měsícem +686

    What I like about Linux is that when a vulnerability like this is found, the community comes together and fixes it asap.

    • @akulkis
      @akulkis Před měsícem

      In contrast to Microsoft, who hides security bug reports while working feverishly to replace the functionality of the discovered back door by writing a patch which closes the discovered back door with a new back door. Only then does Microsoft admit that the security issue even exists.

    • @poisonouspotato1
      @poisonouspotato1 Před měsícem +133

      the sun never sets on the global open source community

    • @BakelitTV
      @BakelitTV Před měsícem +44

      yes! unlike Windows or other communities where they don't fix vulnerabilities asap. (???)

    • @Z3rgatul
      @Z3rgatul Před měsícem +65

      linux community has no way to hide vulnerability fix, since fix goes open source. unlike with close source you can make a fix, and hackers will not know what was fixed and they can't exploit vulnerability on unpatched systems.
      i am not defending close source, I am just saying there is pros and cons everywhere

    • @Moe_Posting_Chad
      @Moe_Posting_Chad Před měsícem +25

      So how long was the vulnerability sold and exploited before it leaked? *That's the real question.*

  • @WansVids
    @WansVids Před měsícem +247

    If you're wondering which kernel versions are vulnerable, here's what I found: The exploit affects kernel versions from (including) v5.14 to (including) v6.6, excluding patched branches v5.15.149>, v6.1.76>, v6.6.15>.

    • @Blaineworld
      @Blaineworld Před měsícem +11

      i’m on 6.8.0 so that means i’m safe? right?

    • @WansVids
      @WansVids Před měsícem +25

      @@BlaineworldYeah, you're fine. It's patched since 6.7.

    • @rayauxey
      @rayauxey Před měsícem +35

      I'm surprised he didn't include this in the video

    • @guilherme5094
      @guilherme5094 Před měsícem +2

      o7!

    • @darkb0w0
      @darkb0w0 Před měsícem +2

      should i be worried? how bad is this? what if im on 5.15

  • @XerrolAvengerII
    @XerrolAvengerII Před 29 dny +111

    me, a plucky wizards apprentice resetting user passwords and setting up accounts, watching a CZcams video about dark sorcerers unraveling death itself and warping space and time

    • @LowLevelLearning
      @LowLevelLearning  Před 29 dny +17

      I love this analogy XD

    • @Dirtyharry70585
      @Dirtyharry70585 Před 25 dny

      Simply about money and or destruction of property by people who have no morals, and could care less about who it affects or lives that can be lost

    • @slayeryt637
      @slayeryt637 Před 24 dny

      @@Dirtyharry70585 there's so many more reasons to want to make exploits than just death and destruction. What about the pure beauty in the exploit itself?

    • @52665736
      @52665736 Před 23 dny

      my name is my passport, then only i can be i as good as i... especialy in tron trades of wireless energetic multi androidic communication, were the cyberwar algorithm makes attack due ineffecientcy by having a password different then own name.... entering string linguistic and design of solid state reality... and so on and so forth.... = no pwd, then it is my own PersonalComputer communication fassett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @jimdiroffii
    @jimdiroffii Před měsícem +101

    I just read this entire write up yesterday, and I was blown away with the thoroughness and complexity of the research. And, it was only found because the author found a bug while trying to do some work. Most people just find another way, this guy found a wild exploit. Very impressive. Cheers to notselwyn

  • @demonman1234
    @demonman1234 Před měsícem +41

    We’re making it out of the userspace with this one boys

  • @pu239
    @pu239 Před měsícem +388

    Hi, this was a slightly unleveled video: It was basic in the beginning with you explaining what the kernel does and about syscalls, and then you explained the whole exploit in less time than that, which was too advanced. I know what the kernel is and that by interfacing with the kernel you are asking the kernel to do stuff. I also understand double-freeing and use after free, but socket buffer freelist/all those page descriptors/modprobe was explained in less than 2 minutes
    If you spent maybe 2 mins explaining the kernel and syscall basics part and 4-5 mins on the actual exploit, it would have more sense
    Thanks!

    • @adammontgomery7980
      @adammontgomery7980 Před měsícem +60

      Nah, this deserves an hour at least.

    • @a.lollipop
      @a.lollipop Před měsícem +60

      i agree, i got very lost when he was explaining the actual exploit haha

    • @WasguckstdudieURlan
      @WasguckstdudieURlan Před měsícem +17

      Maybe he did it by intention, it's quite new after all. However he linked the full article in the description (77 min read) that goes into full detail

    • @aaaAaAAaaaaAa1aAAAAaaaaAAAAaaa
      @aaaAaAAaaaaAa1aAAAAaaaaAAAAaaa Před měsícem +2

      its mostly just data structure manipulation

    • @patrickstival6179
      @patrickstival6179 Před měsícem +2

      Yeah, I got that same feeling. I will ask chatgpt now about that stuff

  • @incogninto1124
    @incogninto1124 Před měsícem +236

    Time to finally root the Oculus Quest 2

    • @hyperkiko
      @hyperkiko Před měsícem +4

      it has already been done anyways

    • @incogninto1124
      @incogninto1124 Před měsícem +33

      @@hyperkiko Why not do it again?

    • @n0tjak
      @n0tjak Před měsícem

      ​@@incogninto1124sure

    • @hyperkiko
      @hyperkiko Před měsícem

      @@incogninto1124 i will actually try it on my quest 3, i checked the kernel for the quest 3 and it isnt patched on it

    • @wheeI
      @wheeI Před měsícem +2

      looking for a poc right now

  • @clintonreisig
    @clintonreisig Před měsícem +251

    It was fixed almost immediately. That is a strong advantage of Open Source in contrast to big corp coverups

    • @GoogleDoesEvil
      @GoogleDoesEvil Před měsícem +10

      If it was Windows, it would have been fixed before it was disclosed.

    • @kooostia16
      @kooostia16 Před měsícem +72

      @@GoogleDoesEvil it would be fixed after it was disclosed after several years

    • @YTDeletes90PercentOfMyComments
      @YTDeletes90PercentOfMyComments Před měsícem +26

      @@kooostia16 it would then take 30 years for corporations to implement the fix

    • @dusxmt
      @dusxmt Před měsícem +19

      A disadvantage is that a whole bunch of companies "just ship" open source solutions based off of Linux and barely provide any security updates, which are critically important. This is one of the reasons I don't like IoT, because it's extremely susceptible to issues like this.

    • @edwardmacnab354
      @edwardmacnab354 Před měsícem +10

      @@GoogleDoesEvil it would have been fixed ? by windows ? , tell me you don't know the history of windows by not telling me --lol

  • @kayakMike1000
    @kayakMike1000 Před měsícem +154

    Running in kernel is worse than running as root.

    • @lawrencemanning
      @lawrencemanning Před měsícem +33

      If by that you mean “you sure as hell better know what you are doing”, then yeap…

    • @dahahaka
      @dahahaka Před měsícem +20

      from my understanding they're not really running or changing that much code inside the kernel, that might be pretty complicated, but they're letting the kernel execute their binary as root by changing a path, that's still not running inside the kernel

    • @rusi6219
      @rusi6219 Před měsícem +48

      Everything should run in kernel
      This comment was posted by TempleOS Gang

    • @kayakMike1000
      @kayakMike1000 Před měsícem +4

      @@dahahaka well, depends. Running inside the kernel could cause a kernel panic and crash the whole system, running as root just causes a segfault

    • @dahahaka
      @dahahaka Před měsícem

      @@rusi6219 niche and I love it

  • @Catalyst8487
    @Catalyst8487 Před měsícem +7

    Really enjoyed this kind of video from you! Admittedly, some of the exploit explanation went over my head and I'll need to do some further research on my end. You might have yourself a little niche here of in-depth explanations of vulnerabilities in an ELI5 manner if you want it. I'd love to see more videos like this with other well-known or new vulnerabilities.

  • @RobertHyrkiel
    @RobertHyrkiel Před měsícem +119

    I'm learning that the safest way to store your secure data is on a piece of paper

    • @Gogeta70
      @Gogeta70 Před měsícem +15

      Yep, no better method than writing your password on a sticky note and "hiding" it under your keyboard... lol

    • @YeeLeeHaw
      @YeeLeeHaw Před měsícem +21

      Only second to your brain, but sometimes the files can get corrupted up there or with package loss before reaching your fingers.

    • @Sypaka
      @Sypaka Před měsícem +1

      And all it takes, is a pencil to make a copy of everything you wrote.

    • @oxylepy2
      @oxylepy2 Před měsícem +6

      @@Sypaka assuming the location of the written information is known. Sure it isn't going to stop your kids from finding it, or Boeing, but it works against the hackers online

    • @someoneelse5005
      @someoneelse5005 Před měsícem +1

      @@Sypakaor a photo but you keep forgetting the whole part of physically being there

  • @thedtubeteam7981
    @thedtubeteam7981 Před měsícem +131

    Welp, time to upgrade my kernel.

    • @kolz4ever1980
      @kolz4ever1980 Před měsícem +9

      you think? Might be why distros push out updates..

    • @ent2220
      @ent2220 Před měsícem +4

      Tell me about it. I'm still on Fedora 37 with kernel 5.15 LTS, which I haven't updated in about 6 months because the updates stopped lmao. I might have to jump to the newest Fedora 40 beta.Luckily 99% of my apps are flatpaked, installed with the --user flag, and I have dconf commands to apply all my GNOME settings. So I would barely have to re-setup anything and will have all my apps and userdata once I upgrade.

    • @robertjenkins6132
      @robertjenkins6132 Před 29 dny

      What's the big deal? As I understand, malicious code running in userland could take advantage of the exploit to run arbitrary code as root? But why would you run malicious code on your computer??? My personal policy is that I don't run anything that I'm not getting from a trusted source. You have javascript on web pages but that runs in its own sandbox in the browser (on Windows as well), and if you have AdBlock installed then that blocks a lot of crud right there. The Internet is more centralized nowadays so most people spend their time on a few websites run by giant corporations. Presumably your personal network is protected with a wifi password and firewall. I mean, if you're a network admin and people can come in and run any kind of code on your network's computers, then maybe that's where it would be warranted to be a bit concerned about such a privilege escalation vulnerability.
      In olden days everything ran as root in Windows 3.1 (or the Windows analogue of "root"), but you would not become infected if you did not click on malicious .exe files (also best to avoid Internet Explorer and ActiveX).
      I think that if there is malicious code, which might be inclined to _attempt_ a privlege escalation exploit, running on your machine, then you're already in a bad place. In my opinion, it's not good to have malicious code running, even if it is not escalated up to root...

  • @hawkbirdtree3660
    @hawkbirdtree3660 Před měsícem +8

    Bugs never went away, but recently, it feels like bugs just did 20 years in prison, and they've been released on parole.

  • @petermathijssen9470
    @petermathijssen9470 Před měsícem +11

    Great that you used one of the Tuxlets in your video, that I made with my son years ago. 👍

  • @IngwiePhoenix
    @IngwiePhoenix Před 28 dny +6

    I am looking at the proprietary Linux devices at home and at work and just... curiously tapping my chin.
    This ought to be interesting (:

  • @BenjaminVestergaard
    @BenjaminVestergaard Před 28 dny +14

    The poor guy that was tasked to educate me about Linux wasn't allowed to use an updated Linux for education... he had to stick to one (old) version of RedHat, because that's what the book used...
    It took me 1 Google, 3 potential exploits and 15 minutes to become root of that educational Linux server. (Okay, I was familiar with Linux before they tried to educate me).
    I just made an extra root account, which was allowed to login via ssh. Could have locked out everyone else... but I was just making a point about using outdated software for education.
    Netfilter is quite a problem if it can elevate privileges. But at the same time kinda predictable... I'm happy that it's been found, so next iteration will be safer. Worst is how easy it can be used.

  • @oscarmendez9079
    @oscarmendez9079 Před měsícem +10

    Relatively new here - background is in mechanical engineering but I would really like to learn embedded software development ( for myself and for my job). Really enjoy these types of videos. I will say I always write some of the acronyms from these videos down on stickies to look up later, given my lack of knowledge of the inner workings of computers. TIL what a TLB is. Anyways, looking forward to any and all videos 👍🏼

    • @edk3539
      @edk3539 Před měsícem +2

      translate look-aside buffer. i learned it in early ee/cs course on cpu's

    • @arthurmoore9488
      @arthurmoore9488 Před měsícem +1

      Analogy, you know how you can have a reference book which has a chapter list at the front, then every chapter has a section list at the start. That's how these work. Another common trick is to say:
      * Chapter 1 - Pages 100-199
      * Chapter 2 - Pages 200-299
      etc...
      Sure there may be some blank pages, but the hardware can be designed to be really really fast.

  • @dustsheep1316
    @dustsheep1316 Před 27 dny +1

    I love how you keep it short all the time, I don't want to watch through 40 minutes of detailed explanation. This is the perfect overview - thank you very much

  • @xeqqail3546
    @xeqqail3546 Před měsícem +9

    Really hope one day I could comprehend all this shenanigans lol .. great vid!

  • @morgwai667
    @morgwai667 Před měsícem +6

    the amount of grinding through kernel code and memory dumps that must have been put to develop this exploit is beyond my comprehension... now if i add to this that merely obtaining a kernel memory dump is way more complicated than in case of a user space results in me getting a headache just thinking about it ;-]

  • @enigmatico6209
    @enigmatico6209 Před měsícem +10

    Yeah all Linux distributions probably has this patched, but think about all the routers and phones and devices like smart TVs and everything that are connected to the internet and are probably still outdated, like your router if you have an ISP that doesn't allow you to switch it. A lot of these run on Linux and are likely using an outdated version of the kernel.

    • @techwolflupindo
      @techwolflupindo Před 28 dny +2

      And to think, one can now hack it to put there own updated software that the manufacture locks you out of so you can't update.

    • @user-ym4xy6us5e
      @user-ym4xy6us5e Před 26 dny

      @@techwolflupindoTheir?

  • @nunyobiznez875
    @nunyobiznez875 Před měsícem +16

    This works a bit like a digital Rube Goldberg machine.

  • @claudiu7909
    @claudiu7909 Před 29 dny +9

    Hmmm, what I hear is: NEW android rooting method (possibly)
    if someone implements this functionality into a su/sudo, someone else might be able to port it on android and we'll have a new way of rooting some of the older phones that either didn't have a way to be rooted or didn't have a big enough user base for someone to find a way to root them. ofc this is only possible if the same exploit is available in the android kernel.

  • @b00gi3
    @b00gi3 Před 29 dny +1

    This channel is so awesome and educational. Look forward to spending more time with it.

  • @AWIRE_onpc
    @AWIRE_onpc Před měsícem +87

    Right after i installed debian...

    • @vaisakhkm783
      @vaisakhkm783 Před měsícem +15

      XD good luck for next 10 years...

    • @yramagicman675
      @yramagicman675 Před měsícem

      @@vaisakhkm783 eh, if I'm not trying yo completely kill the joke it's more like 3 months. Debian does apply security patches pretty effectively.
      To kill the joke completely, in reality, the bug is probably patched in latest and LTS kernels by now, it's just up to the distributions at this point, and Debian uses a patched version of the LTS kernel

    • @Excalibur13
      @Excalibur13 Před měsícem +18

      rm -rf
      install gentoo

    • @Jeppelelle
      @Jeppelelle Před měsícem +16

      So? Just update the kernel like you would on any other distro

    • @darthrevan501st
      @darthrevan501st Před měsícem +4

      @@Excalibur13 rm -rf --no-preserve-root

  • @itskarudo
    @itskarudo Před měsícem +4

    you should definitely do more detailed exploit writeup videos! :)

    • @epolpier
      @epolpier Před měsícem +1

      He acknowledges himself that this is sth beyond his knowledge so better not try it...

  • @researcher_x
    @researcher_x Před měsícem +2

    Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm on this exploit. Next time, please try digging into it.

  • @raelimec
    @raelimec Před měsícem

    I dont understand almost any of these but still catches my genuine interest, congrats bro!!

  • @supergamerfr
    @supergamerfr Před měsícem

    Thank you for the quality content don't hesitate to go super go level and in depth I love it

  • @srh2301
    @srh2301 Před 27 dny +266

    Please do not cut away your breath stops / pauses. This is not TikTok. For listeners which are either not native English speakers or have profound Linux kernel knowledge or have other "deficiencies" with processing difficult technical information in pressure fueling style it is important to have short stops where the brain can process what it's been hearing. If you cut away these stops, some listeners will leave your video prematurely and unsatisfied. Thank you.

    • @malmac
      @malmac Před 26 dny +25

      I'm an elderly British native English speaker with some Linux knowledge but he speaks too quickly with too few pauses. It overwhelms my mind while trying keep up. Still great technical content though.

    • @xXQuickpawXx
      @xXQuickpawXx Před 26 dny +11

      You can set the video to run at a slower speed by clicking/tapping the gear icon.

    • @Dwonis
      @Dwonis Před 26 dny +12

      That's your preference. Others have a different one. I have to speed up most videos in order to be able to follow them. It's not an option; I have ADHD and can't follow videos that are too slow.
      You can slow down some videos sometimes.
      What you call "too fast", I call "good editing".

    • @Nobody-zq8bl
      @Nobody-zq8bl Před 24 dny +3

      @@malmac I'm listening at 1.5x and it's still still a bit slow.

    • @Nobody-zq8bl
      @Nobody-zq8bl Před 24 dny

      Are you autistic?

  • @UltimatePerfection
    @UltimatePerfection Před 29 dny +6

    Can you talk about the backdoor in liblzma/xz that lets you avoid SSH?

  • @jama211
    @jama211 Před 23 dny

    Thank you for having a correct title, seen some people saying stuff like "linux got wrecked". I appreciate your title game more for being truthful.

  • @test40323
    @test40323 Před měsícem

    Congrats on doing an excellent job explaining it. Thanks!

  • @TalsBadKidney
    @TalsBadKidney Před měsícem +1

    okay the GH says this blows right through defaults on debian-core systems... does this work on more serious SELinux like RHEL or Gentoo?

  • @DeusGladiorum
    @DeusGladiorum Před měsícem +14

    You should do a video on the most impactful or crazy bugs of all time, or perhaps per decade/computing era

  • @mihai6977
    @mihai6977 Před měsícem +23

    dude i'm high on shrooms rn this is insane.

  • @kenny-ze8eg
    @kenny-ze8eg Před měsícem

    So, this information only makes my situation way more puzzling to me. My respect for you guys is beyond comprehensive. I just wish I could cling onto the information and actually put it into play to fix my situation.

  • @AadidevSooknananNXS
    @AadidevSooknananNXS Před měsícem

    Hey @LowLevelLearning, how do you decide what to learn?

  • @eliotmansfield
    @eliotmansfield Před 25 dny

    as someone who spent his teenage years in the 80’s aligning floppy disks who also had an engineering background - I always found that disks would run far more concentrically if you lowered the disk clamp slowly to give the cone a chance to clamp the disk correctly

  • @diobrando7642
    @diobrando7642 Před měsícem +38

    How was this bug discovered?

    • @LowLevelLearning
      @LowLevelLearning  Před měsícem +108

      manual source code audit. absolutely insane

    • @weiSane
      @weiSane Před měsícem +7

      @@LowLevelLearningwoah crazyyy

    • @Reydriel
      @Reydriel Před měsícem +6

      @@LowLevelLearning That's pretty hardcore lol

    • @dengyun846
      @dengyun846 Před měsícem +6

      That's amazing that someone would just...read the source code like that.

    • @diobrando7642
      @diobrando7642 Před měsícem +2

      @@LowLevelLearning That is nuts

  • @4.0.4
    @4.0.4 Před měsícem +1

    I love how the author made such a cool graphic instead of just writing about it. It's clearly a lot of steps.

  • @carlynghrafnsson4221
    @carlynghrafnsson4221 Před měsícem

    I had this question over "immutable" os utilizing overlayfs, and escaping containers and chroot in this low level way.

  • @benjaminshropshire2900
    @benjaminshropshire2900 Před 28 dny +1

    I wonder if segregating the kernel dynamic memory meta data from the allocate-able memory would make this harder? Use the freed block to hold their own meta data is nice, but is it an unnecessary risk?

  • @haywardgg
    @haywardgg Před 28 dny +3

    Should have pointed out that so long as people were doing their updates, this was patched back in January. FUD, for clickbait!

  • @vasiliigulevich9202
    @vasiliigulevich9202 Před měsícem +2

    Exploit explanation starts at 3:47

  • @TheEtrepreneur
    @TheEtrepreneur Před 29 dny

    this video finished too soon!! Very simple explanation, this dude might be a great teacher.

  • @David-XCsoaring
    @David-XCsoaring Před 24 dny +2

    This video was fascinating to listen to as a Linux fan but if I am honest, I have no idea what he is talking about. This is on another level way over my head.

  • @downwardtumble4451
    @downwardtumble4451 Před měsícem +1

    “Dirty Cow” sounds like it would be a drink in Wisconsin lmao

  • @learnidotapp
    @learnidotapp Před měsícem

    Subscribed 😊🎉 great content

  • @user-pd5ot4zd4b
    @user-pd5ot4zd4b Před 29 dny

    Sweet 'sploit, scary 'sploit. It must have been there for a long time and I wonder what other well resourced adversaries were sitting on it in a zeroday portfolio. Appears to require a local user, but also seems to be the kind of thing that might be projected through a web service bug into a RCE.

  • @heitormbonfim4053
    @heitormbonfim4053 Před měsícem +6

    I'm loving your Cybersecurity stuff. That's the future

  • @TeslaExplorer
    @TeslaExplorer Před měsícem

    Appreciate the lecture!

  • @spencernold7121
    @spencernold7121 Před 29 dny +1

    "In 2016, about 8 years ago", god damn man, you're making me feel old

  • @alexlefevre3555
    @alexlefevre3555 Před 26 dny

    That visual aid chart is very Charlie from It's Always Sunny-esque.

  • @aga5897
    @aga5897 Před 26 dny

    Superb exploitation !
    The author of that one must really really have a hands-on grip of Kernel code.
    Kinda narrows it down some.

  • @misterrreco2535
    @misterrreco2535 Před měsícem +1

    I'm proud I was able to understand half of this after my OS college classes

  • @disieh
    @disieh Před měsícem

    I get freelist is probably the prime example where to use linked lists over other alternatives, but for sake of argument assume freelist would have been a plain array (or vector). Would that have prevented the abuse from double free? (Yes I know fixing the double-free is the first priority)

  • @BacklTrack
    @BacklTrack Před měsícem

    I usually kinda understand a lot of general exploit stuff but this is just insane

  • @stefan8410
    @stefan8410 Před 26 dny +3

    I wish there was a linux/bsd channel ran by someone who actually knew anything.

  • @spambot7110
    @spambot7110 Před 29 dny +1

    0:23 i think the "author of this bug" was probably not using novel techniques, i think they just made a mistake writing some kernel code

    • @tremon3688
      @tremon3688 Před 28 dny

      He means the one who discovered the bug

  • @rajarshikhatua100
    @rajarshikhatua100 Před měsícem +22

    windows/macos also have all kinds of bugs but no one knows because the source is not available

    • @edwardmacnab354
      @edwardmacnab354 Před měsícem +2

      and so is harder to write attacks ?

    • @BlueEyedVibeChecker
      @BlueEyedVibeChecker Před měsícem

      Mac has less exploits than Linux and Windows combined. I'm a dualbooter for Win11Pro and Linux Mint and can confirm.
      Sounds like you're projecting more than anything. "Bu-but, Windows and Mac also do-" That's cool, but is there a bug to exploit who asked?

    • @Youtubed-jv5oi
      @Youtubed-jv5oi Před měsícem +5

      @@BlueEyedVibeChecker I mean they're not wrong but the point is that Linux is backed by so many companies like Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Intel, AMD, etc so bugs are fixed extremely fast. The mac kernel is also open source. Windows lags behind

    • @robertthomas5906
      @robertthomas5906 Před měsícem +4

      @@BlueEyedVibeChecker Mac has more exploits than Linux. It's based off of BSD. Back in 2007 they proved the point by porting all the old Linux exploits over to BSD. Now it's not even maintained as well as it was back then. BSD also isn't a mandatory access control kernel. So it's at least 20 years out of date. Don't be fooled, you're not as secure.

    • @joelimbergamo639
      @joelimbergamo639 Před 29 dny +1

      ​@@BlueEyedVibeCheckerthe fact the nobody tries to find exploits there doesnt mean they dont exist.

  • @0oNoiseo0
    @0oNoiseo0 Před měsícem

    explaiend really well! thank you

  • @Ilovecruise
    @Ilovecruise Před 26 dny

    Hmm, self learning cyber security here, so this attack would not work on environments where Structured Exception Handling Overwrite Protection is enabled, because the kernel entry does not match the one as recorded? Or is it not available on Linux? Thanks

  • @woahblow4127
    @woahblow4127 Před měsícem +1

    How is double free a thing? Is it for multiple locks on the same file? Lock decrements instead of setting to 0? Are there double lock errors then when files are permanently closed?

    • @anthonybernstein1626
      @anthonybernstein1626 Před 29 dny +1

      Kinda, but it’s not files, it’s memory:
      foo = kmalloc(whatever);
      (lots of other stuff)
      kfree(foo);
      (more stuff)
      kfree(foo);
      The allocator uses the freed memory to store pointers to other free memory so that it knows what’s free (and not to waste additional memory to store this). You can imagine it as free pieces of memory pointing to other free pieces of memory in a long chain. If you free the same piece the second time, it will be in this chain twice. Now if you allocate a new piece, you could get this twice-freed piece back so you can write data to it - but it’s still in the list (since it was added twice) so whatever you write there, the allocator thinks is part of the free chain - so you can redirect the allocator and force it to write to memory it’s not supposed to.

  • @kleoCodes
    @kleoCodes Před měsícem +18

    I'm sick and this vid is already making me happy :)

  • @yellingintothewind
    @yellingintothewind Před měsícem +2

    Privilege escalation as a class does not depend on exploiting anything in the Linux kernel. It just means gaining permission to do some normally-restricted thing without proper authentication. This _can_ involve a Kernel exploit, but often means targeting set-uid binaries like ping or sudo. Alternatively you can target a service running with the desired permissions.
    For example, suppose you have a guest user with ssh-only access to a desktop with a running X11 server. This user does not have permission on /dev/input, nor permission to talk to the X server. Further, suppose this is a legacy system with X11 installed setuid. If the user finds a vulnerability in X11 that makes it change permission on an existing X11 socket to 777 before it drops root, the user can use that vulnerability to give himself permission to talk to the primary user's already running X11 server. Then, through the running X11 server, the guest user can listen to the keyboard and mouse or snoop on existing windows. As this is not an intended permission, gained through an exploit, this is a privilege escalation attack.
    In practice, relatively few privilege escalation attacks use defects in the kernel. Local-user privilege escalation usually involves finding a misconfigured or defective setuid program. There are also remote-user privilege escalations, usually gaining admin rights on a website or similar service. In this case the attacker doesn't even get permission over a new process, just escalated privileges within a specific application.

    • @framegrace1
      @framegrace1 Před měsícem

      setuid is not used on linux systems from 2008, where `capabilities` replaced most of its uses, and then we have SELinux on top for a long long long time.
      Been years without setuid files on any modern system. Non syscall derived escalations are ultra rare (Never heard of any for a long time)

    • @dusxmt
      @dusxmt Před měsícem +1

      @@framegrace1 There's been several privilege escalations caused by bugs in things like sudo and policykit, some of which have been pretty recent (e.g. due to some of the code in policykit being written in a "clever" (read: hacky) way and not handling argv[0] being NULL correctly, CVE-2021-4034)

    • @yellingintothewind
      @yellingintothewind Před měsícem

      @@framegrace1 Really? Because `/bin/su` and 12 other binaries in /bin, /sbin/, and /usr/bin are all setuid on my stock ubuntu VM. Sure, granular capabilities have helped, and programs like firejail take advantage of that to even further restrict capabilities of even normal users (which makes escaping firejails a relatively new area of escalation attacks).
      More than granular capabilities, dbus (and things built on top of dbus like the typical wayland implementations) use posix file handle passing to grant granular access to system resources across users. For example, X11 no longer is setuid because it gets access to /dev/input and the video card resources by asking for them over dbus. The Login1 provider (usually a combination of PAM + (e)logind, running as root) then opens these files and passes handles to them to X11 for session creation. Like with the possible firejail escape above, this means system services like Login1 listening over dbus are now viable attack surfaces for privilege escalation attacks.

    • @Ethorbit
      @Ethorbit Před 29 dny

      🤓

    • @phobos.anomaly
      @phobos.anomaly Před 29 dny

      @@framegrace1 _"Been years without setuid files on any modern system."_ - The system I'm on now has like 20 setuid binaries. I'm pretty sure binaries like su, sudo, passwd, mount, chsh are still setuid on most if not all systems.

  • @ryangrogan6839
    @ryangrogan6839 Před měsícem +5

    Soooo, what is vulnerable to this? Is this something that can happen if you have a socket based connection? Do you need access before escalating? Itd be nice to know how to protect myself and not just how they do it.

    • @nou712
      @nou712 Před měsícem +1

      This windows users priorities are not to inform linux users like yourself. It is a local privesc so unless someone accesses your system you're fine. If you install buggy software from GNOME and their diverse programmers you open up more privesc possibilities.

    • @lawrencemanning
      @lawrencemanning Před měsícem +2

      Only spent 5 mins looking but it’s local and you need to have unpriv’d network namespaces allowed. I suspect that’s not the default in most distros. Plus a vuln kernel of course.
      But “local” is somewhat misleading and not all the story. It *could* mean you are vulnerable if you have untrusted local users with shells, but it also means it’s a point of leverage; if someone can get an unpriv’d process, say a PHP script, to run arbitrary code they can use this to turn that unpriv’d access into root.

    • @Pharoah2
      @Pharoah2 Před měsícem +1

      It has been patched for months so unless you’ve manually disabled security updates you are not vulnerable

    • @lawrencemanning
      @lawrencemanning Před měsícem +1

      @@Pharoah2 Yeap the clickbaity-ish nature of the title had me concerned, but it's pretty minor in the grand scheme of things. The "absolutely insane" bit is, I guess, the way it was found and the details of the exploit, not its scope.

    • @Pharoah2
      @Pharoah2 Před měsícem +1

      @@lawrencemanning not your fault. I have no idea why he didn’t mention it in the video.

  • @MyReviews_karkan
    @MyReviews_karkan Před 26 dny

    This is awesome. Thank you for explaining it.

  • @Ch40zz
    @Ch40zz Před měsícem +2

    many of these techniques are used for windows kernel exploitation quite often

    • @ent2220
      @ent2220 Před měsícem +1

      Yeah except they don't tell you about it and keep them open on purpose for the NSA, CIA etc. I'm also fairly confident that Bitlocker has a bunch of backdoors as well.

    • @rusi6219
      @rusi6219 Před měsícem

      @@ent2220 yeah why use that garbage when veracrypt is available

    • @kidnamedfinger.productions
      @kidnamedfinger.productions Před 29 dny

      @@ent2220 Some guy made a video on CZcams how he cracks bitlocker in 50 seconds. Bitlocker is an absolute garbage.

  • @unguidedone
    @unguidedone Před měsícem +1

    with grsecurity kernel hardening you should be fine but ill have to test anyway

  • @elzabethtatcher9570
    @elzabethtatcher9570 Před měsícem +1

    I didn't understand a thing after the graph went up, but I hope kernel patches it soon!
    Did kernel devs found about this exploit "from the news", or maybe they were given a head start into fixing it?

  • @Aftermost3590
    @Aftermost3590 Před měsícem

    Instant subscribe. Keep it up

  • @cprhroaehssneteonr5488

    Does this work on all Unix systems? I’d like to know if this can be done on a Mac in any way.

  • @johnkallimanis1599
    @johnkallimanis1599 Před 28 dny +1

    I run the CVE testing code from the github account on a very recent (and patched) kernel and it froze and crashed the system. Very interesting

  • @svarodzic
    @svarodzic Před měsícem

    Yes, I definitely learned something here. That I am stupid as a rock! ))) Even though I've been doing system programming for 30 years now.

  • @iamgeok
    @iamgeok Před měsícem +1

    This is one of those channels I go to watch to feel smart. Knowing a little bit about computers, I understood everything and nothing 🤣

    • @shiftingsandsgames
      @shiftingsandsgames Před měsícem

      Programming vulkan graphics lets me at least not get confused when i hear about buffers and descriptors😅

  • @aravindmuthu95
    @aravindmuthu95 Před 29 dny +1

    the moment it is found the repo would have been nuked with pull requests. that's the power of open source

  • @AdminOfYourMom
    @AdminOfYourMom Před měsícem +20

    That's exactly the reason why I'm still rocking on the granddaddy 1.1.0 Linux kernel from '97. These Gen-alpha skibidi toilet vulns be like, "Ew, we only swipe right on the TikTok kernels." They don't even peep this golden oldie. USB drivers, more like USB driers, Bluetooth? more like Blue-toothless. My network's as untouched as a sealed vintage comic book, NSA/FBI/Mossad can't even. Just me, my unshakeable, mouse-less xorg, my dial-up connection, and my CASIO watch. Hackers peep that setup and they're like, "Nah, we ain't touching that with a ten-foot pole." ROFLCOPTER

    • @BillAnt
      @BillAnt Před měsícem +1

      DoubleFree to SideChannel attack.... "Hold my beer!" lol

    • @do0nv
      @do0nv Před měsícem +3

      wtf did i just read

    • @user-gj9hd3mp9k
      @user-gj9hd3mp9k Před měsícem +7

      "These Gen-alpha skibidi toilet vulns be like, "Ew, we only swipe right on the TikTok kernels." bruh, what do you smoke? xD

    • @user_of_the_name
      @user_of_the_name Před měsícem +6

      new copypasta just dropped

    • @AdminOfYourMom
      @AdminOfYourMom Před měsícem +1

      @@user_of_the_name holy hell!

  • @pacifico4999
    @pacifico4999 Před 29 dny

    Sounds a little similar to Asahi Lina's MacOS exploit, that also messed with page tables. At least that second half of the exploit

  • @AllForMarketing
    @AllForMarketing Před měsícem

    modprobe? You should sign the module if you are using secure boot, right? Does the exploit work with secure boot?
    kinda tired to look for my self r8 now :)

    • @cj.wijtmans
      @cj.wijtmans Před 26 dny

      I dont even use modules. Run a custom kernel with whatever i need enabled or disabled.

  • @Z3rgatul
    @Z3rgatul Před měsícem +2

    So, who was affected by this? Any system? Or just very specific network configuration?

    • @CFSworks
      @CFSworks Před 29 dny

      Looks like any unpatched Linux system newer than 3.15 (!!) with USERNS enabled. So... the vast majority of them. A mitigation is to set the sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=0

  • @TunifyBasic
    @TunifyBasic Před měsícem

    netfilter is a good attack surface even in wiki leaks you will find some old exploits on linux that uses the netfilter

  • @garrettsmith5760
    @garrettsmith5760 Před měsícem

    Why would a double free imply a use after free in this case? Are you saying that the memory was freed, and then the attacker somehow induced an allocation at that moment? Knowing that the 2nd free would soon occur?

  • @Qstate
    @Qstate Před 26 dny

    I thought the entire reason we pass syscall argument by registers and not the kernel stack is that those kind of things don't happen.

  • @scootergirl3662
    @scootergirl3662 Před 27 dny

    LLC has a knack for explaining complicated low level processes in a way noobs can understand, without boring the people that do actually know a bit more. Rare skill.

  • @joshuaa3075
    @joshuaa3075 Před měsícem

    When do you anticipate this to be fixed and various distro's available?

    • @burnstick1380
      @burnstick1380 Před měsícem

      Newer Kernels (6.7+) have this already patched.

  • @keithmanning6564
    @keithmanning6564 Před měsícem +1

    Privilege escalations do not necessarily exploit kernel code, they could exploit weak applications which have higher privilege themselves

  • @defnlife1683
    @defnlife1683 Před 19 dny

    Woah the levels this went through.
    Sometimes I think some of these guys probably put this forward as advertisement for selling exploits or getting hired to develop them lmao.

  • @gosnooky
    @gosnooky Před měsícem

    Let's all take a moment and appreciate that guy's diagram-making skills.

  • @chrissimpson1183
    @chrissimpson1183 Před 29 dny +1

    So could the same thing be done on Mac OS since it is based on UNIX like LINUX is?

  • @00jknight
    @00jknight Před 29 dny

    I wanna see the faulty code path that can cause the double free and what the mitigation is.

  • @davidyanceyjr
    @davidyanceyjr Před 17 dny

    So how do you double free the kernel without being root? Or another privelaged user?

  • @Skyliner_369
    @Skyliner_369 Před měsícem +4

    Now the question is, how long will this bug last?

    • @VallThyo
      @VallThyo Před měsícem +4

      I has been fixed several months ago on 6.7

    • @martenkahr3365
      @martenkahr3365 Před měsícem +2

      Already gone, for the most part. Discovered in January and already patched in the kernel before the end of January. Downstream distros caught up with this update quickly, too. Ubuntu released the relevant kernel update on their package manager before the end of January, most other distros got it done by the end of February. At this point, the bug only lives in the computers of users that refuse to install security updates.

    • @dusxmt
      @dusxmt Před měsícem

      @@martenkahr3365 Can't forget companies that ship products based off of Linux and don't provide security fixes for them (commonly seen in IoT)

    • @BrendonGreenNZL
      @BrendonGreenNZL Před 28 dny

      @@martenkahr3365 such as every home router or IoT lightbulb out there?

  • @mb00001
    @mb00001 Před měsícem

    usually i can follow along, but this is very complicated, it makes me wonder if things in the world of exploitation are about to get much more in depth and crazy

  • @Airbag888
    @Airbag888 Před 28 dny

    Sentient AI will have a field day with all the imperfections sprinkled around in our various operating systems and software...

  • @kras_mazov
    @kras_mazov Před měsícem +2

    fuck, i have to update everything again.