Ludicrous AF! | The Fastest Racing Lube Ever?
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Efficiency is key for making your bike go faster, it's why bike manufacturers put so much effort into making their bikes light and aero. While those two factors often steal the limelight, increasing drivetrain efficiency can be a significant and often overlooked factor in making you faster. Muc-Off, however, haven't overlooked this. They have been busy researching and developing their new Ludicrous AF chain lube, working with closely pro teams such as the INEOS Grenadiers to optimise chain efficiency and save you watts!
Alex was fortunate enough to get an all-access pass to Muc-Off's megabase to see how exactly they optimise chains with this new lube and just how much data and science is involved.
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What was your favourite bit of the factory? Let us know in the comments! 👇
The bit where you exit through the gift shop
My favourite bit was how Alex went through the „no cameras“ rule. We should send him to Apple HQ. 😂
How far can this joke be taken?
How much did they pay you for this video I wonder? BECAUSE IT IS A PAID PROMOTIONAL AD ISN'T IT. That's what you have had to disclose in your little thumbnails. Do you really think us cyclists are stupid? Branding. That's all it is. 90 dolluz for 50ml of lubricant.I mean honestly. Snake oil.🙄
The golden lube army ...
Immersive wax is superior. I'll go with Zero Friction Cycling's rigorous and published testing protocols.
And the amount of misinformation ZFC has has had to wade through from. Muc-off's side. Like you can tell who is confident in their product and who isn't. Silca and even ceramicspeed have worked quite well with ZFC in the past. But muc-off won't even answer his questions.
A big thumbs up for ZFC! I had some Muc-Off team Sky Hydrodynamic lube. Let's just say my experience was very consistent with ZFC's test results and I will not use Muc-Off lubricants again.
As an msc mechanical engineer, I can only state, that paraffin is not a lube at all, and do not trust any "independent" information from ZFC.
@@balsa02 "Paraffin wax, a white or colorless soft solid that is used as a lubricant and for other applications" per Wikipedia. What is your basis for saying that paraffin wax is not a lubricant?
was gonna say something similar. Wonder what ZFC have to say about this lube.
Take a drink every time you hear "bang for buck" and "mega base"
Stop claiming something is the fastest without some INDEPENDENT testing done to verify it is in FACT the fastest. I want to see independent testing done vs known fast lubes like Silca Super Secret, Smoove and Squirt.
I can guarantee you that this won't beat Silca Synergetic.
I suspect this is an commercial, more than actual fact. ..but i agree. No one with any sense would take that statement, without any sort of proof, seriously.
Nowhere they specify part of the formula !
Test this lube vs wax+ptfe, not sure it will win ! From some of the closeup shots, you can see a lot of grime on some cogs, this will wear your drive train faster (than wax+ptfe).
They wear gloves, I don't need them for wax+ptfe treatment of my chain, never have very dirty finger, just need 1 wash with soap+water and my hands a perfectly clean again. That means that the wax+ptfe doesn't attrack particles.
All in all, I don't believe them.
@@RichardMigneron retreated my chain just today! Super clean. 👍🥳 I enjoy the cogs always looking sparkling too.
@@RichardMigneron I have tried the wax+PTFE it was absolutely rubbish it ruined my new chain, chainring and cassette I will never use it again. I now use muck off dry lube ceramic it is great I could not fault it in any way. No wear and lasts for a few weeks 😁
The ' Absolute Fastist' way to empty your wallet.
Yep, since a well lubricated derailleur drive train already has only 3 to 4 % losses a further reduction in friction here may be worth to pay for for professional riders (where a hundred of a second can be important) but not for amateurs who won't even notice or measure a difference
GCN is now becoming Global Commercial Network
Have you just figured this out? They are never critical of any product, they are just a medium for cycling companies to market their products, always has been. That's been their business model from the start.
Just like all YT cycling Channels all there to sell there latest stuff.
welcome to planet earth
I remember another muc-off video showing that having a hyper clean chain made almost no difference over having a reasonably clean chain.
actually makes “FA” difference 😀
Ludicrous AF - clearly stands for “addresses friction” 😂😎🤘🏻
😆😆😆😆😆
Mate, from that awkward first video to today, your presenter skills have skyrocketed! Kudos!
Yes he has become a very slick salesman.
Yep, he is just reading off the marketing package.....
The amount of BS that MucOff can pull is really Ludicrous AF XD Come on, “Optimization process” = Thorough cleaning an relubing… yeah a freshly cleaned and lubed chain is faster than a dirty one, duh
The independent zero friction cycling lab has rated this lube very poorly in term of efficiency and longevity. There are way faster and longer lasting lubes out there. If you want to stick with the GCN sponsors, the Silca products are very good.
GCN has degenerated into a shopping channel
Does anyone remember when GCN was about true information, cut through the marketing guff and just helped cyclists?
Now they are just a glorified advertising channel… no different to the shopping channel for their sponsors!
How dare you! When my old mum goes to get her hair cut, she always walks out of the saloon with somme very expensive conditioner.
Yeah it's advertising, but also educational.
But i agree with you
Thanks to GCN I got muc off and now I’m replacing my cassette way earlier than I should have needed to…
Marketing bullshi*. They had the chance to put the newly returned chain on the dyno and show before and after figures for the chain after it had been through their process. Complete marketing hype.
Missed a chance to tell us how the reuse of chains will save the planet. Missed opportunity for unsubstantiated green marketing. :)
Hey buddy, IT IS AN AD
@@ariffau I know it's an AD but it's still 100% marketing bull.
@@learigg hahahaha. I tend to take these videos with a grain of salt.
At the end of the day, consumers choose whether or not to buy in the marketing the businesses put up.
For instance, I don’t buy Muc-Off’s marketing, but I do pay ludicrous price for Oakley’s which is marketed to be ballistic proof and able to protect my eyes. To me, I believe it to be true. But to some people, it’s just a marketing fluff and their AliExpress sunnies are no different.
To each, their own.
To believe and buy the marketing, or not to.
I absolutely love these insights into the factories and tech, but it pains me that this is just one giant advert.
Its GCN/GMBN/EMBN, theyre all one long shameless advert. The UK advertising standards org needs to have a good look at them.
I’ll just keep using the olive oil extra virgin, thnx!
😱
Did I miss it or did you mention some where how much power this actually saves? I'd love to see a $$$/watt comparison to other options for making your bike faster.
59.95€ / 50ml... Expensive AF nothing more. Seems like nanolube wasn´t expensive enough!
I use almost everything from MucOff since years, my private and professional workshops both are pink....
But that´s just a slap in the face!
Alex: Ludicrous AF is the fastest lube ever! forget using anything else!
Si: lmao hold my WD-40
I would love to see a gcn science of standard vs AF vs wd 40
WD40 is awful for bike chains. Not a true multi-use lubricant. Best for stuck parts and cleaning but not lube. Use a lubricant designed specifically for bike chains.
I wonder is it realistic for orindary consumers going to the "selected" dealers to clean and lube the chain every single time after cleaning the bike.
I’m waiting for mucoff to make a chain wax. Been waxing my chain for 2-3 years and chain lasts 300 miles before rewaxing.
Does waxing hold up with bad weather? It seems to me as an always ideal weather solution…
@@ivarbrouwer197 its great for the summer or dry conditions. Takes minutes to rewax compared to constant cleaning and reoiling of an oiled chain. I dont ride in the rain so it perfect for me
@@ivarbrouwer197 wax lasts for one muddy/wet MTB ride. Pointless exercise in the real world.
@@retroonhisbikes so, not for the Netherlands then… thnx ;)
I found on my fixed commute bike that wax was useless on a track chain. 10 speed ok but I agree with 1 wet ride and that's it. Can't deny it's cleaner. Went to wolf tooth lubricant. Astoundingly good imo. That fixed chain is really slick and survives the wet for a few days.
What's in that Ultrasonic cleaner - not the AF stuff, but the cleaning stage? Looks like Elbow grease? I used this and got a fantastically clean chain, but the quick links (and a new pair too) slipped on oh-so-easy. Does that mean that Elbow Grease is actually taking too much away?
Looks like Muc-Off drive chain cleaner
Anybody know what brand and model his glasses are?
so which lube would you suggest for a 62 year old riding a Caa212 running 105 for 7000 miles a year in Miami Florida. I currently run finish line dry lube.
I use SCC Tech Slick Chain Lube. It's a synthetic lube that cleans your chain as you rode. All I have to do is wipe off my chain after every ride since it pulls all of the dirt out from between my links. This stuff is supposed to be so good you can start using it without even cleaning your chain. I call BS on that claim, but I always clean my stuff before adding lube. I can attest to how long it lasts though. How did I hear about it? It was recommended to me by a few MTBers I know, and my LBS uses it on all off the high end road and mountain bikes they service. It's a little pricey compared to some other lubes though. My other fave is King of Rock n Roll Gold. It's a good lube too.
Just adding my voice to the outcry about data-free thinly veiled advertising. I won't be using this product without independent quantified data.
Amazing research and hi-tech going into chain lube. Thanks for an interesting video
Thanks Don! If you're interested in learning more about our testing head over to our performance hub: muc-off.com/pages/performance-hub
£50 for 50ml of lube? Sounds very much like the Emperors new clothes to me.
maybe worth for professionals, but never for amateurs. Amateurs probably won't even notice or measure any difference, since the losses in the chain drive train are always small, if it's lubricated and maintained.
this is a 13:04 minute advertisement and like most advertisements, it's mostly untrue.
Their test which they published is basically designed, to use a mild way of putting it, to slag off Ceramicspeed.
Next step in incremental gains-GCN has to look at energy lost by these super loud ZZZZZZZ free hubs when coasting.
I can’t imagine and aluminum hub/carbon wheel being as efficient as my old Cerwin-Vega speakers in converting watts of energy into dB of noise, so there has got to be some losses there, which could add up multiple seconds lost in an alpine or pyrennean descent.
Yeah but then you have to get a bell to clear pedestrians out of your way. Those loud hubs sound awesome.
Good video but only thing I don’t understand is how is it “available to everybody” considering is only going to “select few dealers” …… does that include big movers of muc-off like Amazon and other online bike shops or my local dealer who stocks it???
Wow! Really fascinating to see how teams or pros find marginal gain through small things.
Nothing in that video or Ineos results have convinced me that is any faster than the other "fastest ever" lubes.
The fact that Ineos even use it, when they have a history of testing everything available to find the best, is more convincing to me.
There fastest that I know by experience is the PTFE waxing
NOTHING competes with the low friction of it...
And cleanliness. I can bike through mud and that thing is still clean. It's amazing
Correct. I use it myself. Make it myself from the help of the expert himself: czcams.com/video/HHr9znwpwmQ/video.html
What insane amount of effort for an optimized chain? Does it really make that much of a difference?
Muc-off missed a trick here! They should have called it Lube-dicrous!
Shout out for Alex’ high tops! 👍🏻👍🏻
So is that better than letting your chain just go rusty?
If this is the fastest chain lube, what is the quietest one? I don't ming losing 0.5 Watt, but if I use a dry lube, the noise coming from my chain is unbearable, and it is Ultegra Di2 groupset.
I really love MucOff products, but we seem to be in a time where new items are released with maximum prices for minuscule gains. It’s like guys that obsess with using pure nitrogen to fill their tires on their performance cars rather than normal air because F1 teams do it.
They are being modest. It is beyond ludicrous. You can get a quart of chainsaw bar oil for pocket change; enough lubricant for decades of chain maintenance and it is exceptionally well-suited to the task. Apply to each roller with a pinpoint oiler, wipe off excess oil from chain and rings, and wipe down again after each of the first few rides and you'll have a smooth and clean-running chain hundreds of miles longer than silly and expensive boutique lubricants. A clean well-lubricated chain is extremely efficient. Don't worry about further miniscule gains unless you're such a fantastic rider as to have a mechanic -- and then you can leave them to worry about your lube day and night.
i miss the old gcn. before it was just ads
Me too I remember when Simon used to recommend washing up liquid to wash bikes 👍
The creativity....he is using a part of a mixing paint bank motor to power the drivetrain. The blue part
Who knew Bradley Walsh has a side-gig at Muc-Off?
Can see a lot of bike chains going in the chip pan tonight
for 100$ i buy ultrasonic bath with replaceable buckets. 1 buckets - degreaser, 2 - grease. And get cleat and optimizzzzeeee chain every ride
#gcntech what creates less drag… one large water bottle (1l) in one cage or 2 small (2x0,5l) in 2 cages? Thanks
one large bottle creates less drag, but that doesn't mean it is overall more earodynamic ;-)
Or just use hot immersion wax with additive of your choice. 🤔😏😏😉
and it’s also Cheap AF
And clean AF
A couple of blocks of paraffin wax with fine Teflon powder. Put in in a slow cooker and Bob’s your uncle. Enough wax to retreat your chain fifty or more times for £15
@@bikescience1 oh yes, sweet AF 😂😂
And not covered in dirty horrible sticky oil, wax is a no brainer.
Maybe they think we can’t tell. Maybe they think we’re stupid.
Hey Muc Off, I have the same ultrasonic cleaner, mine cost $35 off Aliexpress
wow, what a great ad
You'll be sharing that chain bath with up to 19 mountain bikers by the way.
The important question was not even broached. What are the wattage gains?
You don't gain any watts. You loose less watts. But the question is, compared to what? Any aftermarket lube is more efficient than stock lube, so they can claim all they want but it only matters how this AF lube compares to leading wax immersion lubes. For that, we need independent testing
Hopefully this lube will be better than their previous ones, they were awful AF… (cf ZFC testing)
Man that chain was wet AF, there is no way I would put anything with that much lube on my bike.
800 dollars and you can buy the cleaning kit for yourself. Then 300 more for the lube. It's a he'll of a deal if your professional and have sponsors to pay for every bit of it.
Did he say drivechain efficiency instead of drivetrain the first time? 3:53
I simply had no idea any of this existed. People sending chains to get them cleaned for a race
New chains waste more watts than new chains that have been cleaned of their factory lube
Older chains that are not worn out can be more efficient that new chains, even if they both have the same new lube
Also new Dura-ace 11s chains were more efficient that other new chains when tested
@@Sidowse sorry 😂 fat fingers
Got any apples or pairs me old mate?
Nice video GCN Tech!
no facts or figures, no test results? MUCOFF "JUST TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT". GCN how low can you go!
The figures won't be impressive, they will be
Go for hotwaxed chains
A silicone spray is probably better and faster
But v.few go racing!! Smoke and mirrors imo. But the hydro lube they do is good.
Cycling advert bingo: fastest, more aero, lightest, stiffer, watts.. Anything else?
Ludicrous, also fast
I use Muc Off. But this was just a sales pitch. Not a fan.
Reported as Marketing Spam
Very interesting, but where are the numbers? All of that testing equipment and not a single number mentioned! If you are claiming fantastic lubricity then back it up with NUMBERS!
Nice ad.
Ludicrous AF= Absolutely Fast😂😂😂
so, how much? clearly way too expensive to mention in the ad.
Muc-Off technician: "we love the science" so, show us the scientific evidence it is indeed the fastest lube ever.
All I see here is a way of getting money from people who don't know the value of it.
Hambini... Peak torque ... Save us.....
Who knew someone could talk so long about a chain?
Muc-Off wants us to believe this lube will make us faster because they take a pros chain, clean and lube it at the factory, run some tests and send it back. Same as they do the average jo cyclist?
That was a total lie. You seriously aren't that gullible are you?
"Ludicrous Animal Fat"?! I'll take olive oil, thanks but no thanks. lol
AF = …And Fast
Emperors new clothes.
@4:29 no they haven't. That's scientifically impossible. Donning a labcat for 2 minutes doesn't make you a scientist.
That bloke at 2:00 is the definition of a boffin. Also, this is probably the least efficient way to be efficient. Similar to your last Muc-Off video, this one smacks of a payday backed by nonsense.
Seem be better than Simon Richardson's WD-40.
So obvious that this is a commercial for a sponsor...
£50 for 50ml of lube that is ludicrous af
Won't use muckoff wet lube ever again as after 3hr ride chain was black and needed cleaning again ever ride as the mud stayed on the chain use finish line wet wax chain lube much better
Meh advert..
Ahh love a good old paid promotion 🤦
Awful lube - unless you like a thick, black grinding paste wearing out your components, splattering you and your bike, and general slow riding. AVOID ALL muc-off lubricants and treat yourself to Silca super secret, Ceramic speed UFO drip, Squirt, Smoove, Rex Black Diamond, Effetto Mariposa Flower Power, or Tru Tungsten and thank me later.
After all this marketing talk, priced at $65 US, I'm just going to keep using my Boeshield T-9. I have never used a MUC-OFF product and probably never will because obviously they look at cyclists as a cash cow. It makes no sense to keep funding manufacturers like this.
I get that GCN does ads but this just seemed much more bullshitty than usual
Independent. Testing.
i wonder if this video is simply a paid for commercial? No one would take a statement like "the world's fastest" seriously, without an actual scientific comparison between known fast lubes.
Why was it not called lubacris 😉👍
Wax and lube again a cyclist tale about maginal gains....
50 EUR for 50ml??? 🤦♀️ Dude, brand new Sram XX1 chain costs 88 EUR... This product is a joke...
Have no doubt this product will be incredible, I'm typically always impressed with Muc Off. However you can't shove a brand deal product down our throats with 'Fastest Lube' Phrases without an Unbiased test done.
The advice used to be to leave marginal gains to the pros.
Now people who ride 2 days a week are being convinced they need 12 speed electronic dura ace and a £50 bottle of lube.
Between these ads, you could at least be doing more to promote more inclusive cycling.
When did GCN start drinking Kool aid and pushing marketing baloney?
50£ a bottle
Lubericrous?