Forgotten Star Sapphire Fears Men - Mistress Of The Seventh Dimension
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- Star Sapphire is known by most as a villain or ally to Green Lantern. Recognised most often as Carol Ferris (though there are others) the lore has expanded to include an entire Lantern Ring Corps, and has gone through many ups and downs. However, before any of that there was another Star Sapphire out there. Yes, the Star Sapphire who debuted in the Silver Age in Green Lantern 16 had been inspired by a villain of the same name from the Golden Age. That version had been a foe of The Flash (Jay Garrick) and was mistress of the Seventh Dimension. Despite only appearing twice DC Comics would end up using the character again in a bit of a surprising way years later at the start of the new millennium. We do a retrospective on the golden age Star Sapphire here on Casually Comics!
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Goose!
It was me Barry! I was the goose who tried to ruin a video about your hero!
Cobra chickens unite!
Duck duck!
They always appear when and where you least expect them…
The goose is loose!
Instead of the "afraid of men" angle, I liked the original implication that Star Sapphire just didn't want the Flash interfering with their plans again, and went, "What do I know about the Flash? Well, they're a man, so if I get rid of all men on the planet, I'll get rid of the Flash! That's clearly the easiest way."
Lol go big or go back to the seventh dimension
or she just didn't know the flashes identity, so she goes with the fullproof version instead of guessing.
@@ProjektTaku Foolproof. Fullproof is not a word.
@@richmcgee434 but it fits better.
@@ProjektTaku Foolproof, as in "proof against foolishness" or "even an idiot can't screw this up" makes sense. What would fullproof even mean? Stuffed with evidence? Immune to being filled? Maximized percentage of alcoholic content? It's meaningless.
That goose obviously is the ruler of its own planet.
But is it the sole inhabitant?
@@daverhoden445 well, that’s the easiest way to be the ruler!
This got me 🤣
I like how Sasha reads Jay’s lines slightly slower than the other Flash’s
She has to stay in character of course
that's such a neat little detail.
So is Jay the slowest among the Flashes?
@@foldabotZ yes. Wally is the fastest, Jay is the slowest
I like how she says she'll read Barry's lines slower, and they're still faster than Jay's.
The Brave and the Bold miniseries is quite a delight in how it portrays Hal and Barry. Barry has his life together, he is in a relationship with Iris, has a steady job outside the mask, and is beloved as the Flash. By contrast, in each issue Hal has a new job and a new girlfriend - signifying his unstable life out of the costume - and the only thing he has going for him is being Green Lantern (though he faces some problems there). But in the last issue, Iris is dead, Flash is on trial and his life is in shambles, with Hal being the one to provide him support as well...his life is always in shambles. Its quite the heartwarming depiction of their friendship.
flash and green lantern, bonded by replacing their golden age counterparts and kicking of the silver age.
Are you the ruler if you’re the only survivor?
Goose: …Yes!
Warning Geese wake up and choose violence
Make her a magic based star sapphire, someone to go against alan scott, also from the same era and magic based. She can still be the queen of the zamarons, but her research into magic got her trapped in the 5th dimension, causing the zamarons to look for a suitable replacement, while she watches, thinking her former subjects abandoned her, so she tries to create a new army from earth women.
Her gem would be the natural enemy to the starheart, with her starting to grow obsessed with alan scott from watching his adventures, somewhat similar to carol ferris's yandereness. Her gem is the only thing able to put out his green flames.
The one thing that popped into my mind was that since she the ruler and sole inhabitant of her own planet, she was lonely and just wanted company. However, she also had an enormous amount of pride, so if she went the supervillain route, no one would think of her as pathetic.
Those women who had no superpowers of their own were ready to throw down with Star Sapphire; Gotta respect that kind of bravery.
I can picture a number of reasons why the original Star Sapphire is so afraid of men.....none of them are pleasant or PG. I can understand why they may have left it so vague; my mind is going to dark places to fill the void. Yikes.
She had a dude once spill tea on her and so from that day on she just decided that she hated all me.
@@ProjektTaku Its a level of pettiness that wouldn't be out-of-place. Lex Luthor turned bad because Superman accidently made him bald.
@@michaelraymon111 wydm "rwo"?
@@michaelraymon111 wow, I think that's a bit intense.
@@michaelraymon111 could just make her a slave and not want to feel subjugated again, which fits way better.
OG Star Sapphire would have been a good fit in golden age Wonder Woman's rogues gallery. A kinky costume with fishnets, ruler of her own planet AND she hates men? Diana and Steve would have been in bondage by page two.
Lol that last sentence 😂
I think it'd be fun to go over more forgotten Golden Age characters who appeared more than once. It'd also be interested to do more like this, where a later version became better known and usurped them entirely.
the original charlton captain marvel?
Sadly his red pants and white hair transformation didn't stick.
So she was going to destroy life on Earth with a rogue planet that she controlled, and this was the backup story for a violin-themed hypnotist villain.
"Not a gem of a lost character" I see what you did there.
Yeah, that was crystal clear!
I like the idea of the Zamerons casting her in another dimension and replacing her with a double (Carol). Their Gems/power rings being connected could explain Carol being a villian in the beginning. I think there are levels of political intrigue that could be used here
3:27 In this panel Star Sapphire looks like a delinquent Princess Leia thats caught smoking, lol
The reading of Jay’s lines faster is great. Thank you for that chuckle.
I want to see more of this character honestly , I love their design and think their potential is pretty untapped
Yes, I would like to see the Golden Age Star Sapphire more often. DC writers and artists need to make her look more younger. If she was in the Seventh Dimension for so long, why did she have to age so much? The DC writers could make her domain similar to that of The Phantom Zone, where the prisoners there never age. The Golden Age Star Sapphire was a very attractive, sexy villainess when she made her two appearances prior to the 21st Century. When she returns, she should physically look like she did in her prime in the late-1940s. I definitely would be open to some “untold” Golden Age encounters between Star Sapphire and The Flash, and perhaps Green Lantern as well.
4:21 The idea of star saphire tossing an unconscious jay garrick onto the street is hilarious to me
Jay Garrick was a scientist who got his powers in a lab accident, so I love the idea that he's just such a big nerd that he gives out science books to anyone who seems remotely interested. It's just so wholesome
I was surprised to learn that the Zamorans are of the same species as the Oans who are also related to Leprechauns, hilariously enough.
Wouldn't being from the seventh dimension mean she's like a more powerful Mxyzptlk or something? Don't know how she could be a more credible villain than that.
I had the same question. Inhibited from using the full extent of her powers by an irrational fear of men, probably...
@@benevolentremnant2949 so she's so scared of men it makes her 4 dimensions lower in power?
idk why she couldn't be like 4d or something.
Means she's credible but not mxy levels of invincible and kinda fits with the whole flash and time thing.
@@ProjektTaku I was being sarcastic. None of the extra-dimensional stuff really makes sense if you think about it
@@benevolentremnant2949 yeah, its just mindless sci fi nonsense, but fun to think about.
16:51 LMAO! Her reaction to what Flash is saying just makes it even more hilarious!
I miss the Golden Age trope of someone demonstrating their powers by spinning one or multiple people in a circle against their will… Simpler times lol
So I assume that the Seventh Dimension makes Star Sapphire two levels higher than Mister Mxyzptlk in the dimensionl ladder.
It seems that the Fifth dimension is the Magic dimension.
Golden age Star Sapphire strongest DC character confirmed.
Obscure DC characters I'd like to see return: (1) The original Dr. Doome-- Wilfred Doome, who had a time machine before Marvel's Dr. Doom (1942) and fought the 7 Soldiers of Victory.
(2) The Paper Man was a villain infatuated with Wonder Woman. His power was to become paper thin.
(3) Mr. Banjo, a Captain Marvel/ Shazam villain who played the banjo. He was an enemy spy who could send secret messages via banjo music.
In Batman: In Darkest Knight, Selina Kyle became Star Sapphire for...some reason.
Sinestro becoming the Joker was already a stretch, and then Selina just got tossed in there.
I guess it kinda makes sense. She's already a femme fatale
@@benevolentremnant2949 who's a love interest to the MC, albeit a little less yandere than carol.
And it’s glorious.
Great video and I’d love to see you do one about the first appearance of The Eradicator and when he was corrupting Superman. They seem to have forgotten about that version and how he redeemed himself later on. Ty again and keep the fantastic content coming please!
you mean the one from reign of the supermen? Cause he just cloned superman, albeit with his eyes being allergic to sunlight causing him to wear some sick shades, fittingly ironic.
@@ProjektTaku yup but before that, he was a pain in his butt
@@Trekapedia yup, but atleast he created the FOS.
Not what I was expecting from that community post but I’m all for it.
I knew about Golden Age Star Sapphire but only broad strokes (because the DC wiki can really suck sometimes) and being such a huge fan of the character learning about the original incarnation was great.
Thanks for this, very interesting, now we wait for her to try and usurp the Zamaran’s/Carol and take over the Corps.
Bringing back old characters with the same names as more established characters that they have no connection to can be fun. For next time I nominate Starfire, the early 70s Supergirl villain who appeared in a short arc; Starfire, the alien warrior who fought against the oppressors of her world in her own series (alongside a few cameos here and there); and Starfire, which was once the name of Leonid Kovar, aka the Teen Titan Red Star who got involved with Pantha (who in the comics is an edgy hispanic Wolverine expy to the point where she was also known as Subject X-24) before becoming Russia's foremost superhero and protector.
Here's an idea. Since OG Star Sapphire can sense and use anger how about she becomes a red lantern?
Love videos about "old" Characters... thank you for this video you made a start to a a day bad, a fun one... Still hoping to see that that history of power girl video....lol pss 🙏 good luck with the new baby
One character I'd like to learn about is Lawrence "Crusher" Crock, the first Sportsmaster
Sportsmaster's great, he seemingly dies at the end of his first story (complete with gravestone) but they liked him enough to bring him back.
Jay giving that guy a science book is dumb but wholesome and I didn't notice it was a wig until you said it and it looks really good
"I worried about Green Lantern - does he even remember all the planes he flew" - that made my day🤣 Nice reference!
Plus, your idea for Star Sapphires backstory was a better thought through background I think.
i love this
I made an oc named sapphire, and years later I learned about the star sapphires lmao I love them
Hal wants us to remember him for the planes he flew because he can't.
"Set phasers to disappointment."
I'm totally stealing that line! :D
loved the video! didn't know about golden age star Sapphire. would love to see more videos about star sapphires in general, like Deborah Darnell, a forgotten villain. Or more about Carol too. xoxo
I'm really enjoying this channel. Finally, someone who deep dives into DC and not just Marvel.
I love the voices you do! So funny and cool! 🎉
Golden Age Star Sapphire could be a great villain for an event if they wrote it carefully. The reason she never attacked Earth again? She's not trapped on her planet, its just taken her this long to craft her master plan! Her dimension-shifting powers could be really dangerous if used properly, and especially if it is extrapolated to letting her travel between Earths.
Goose envious of your wig lol. Goose probably wants to know where you purchased yours 😆. Great video 📹👍
How about covering the Bronze Age Star Sapphire from the Secret Society of Super-Villains? Where did she come from, and where did she go? I've heard the murder of Green Lantern Katma Tui was retconned from Carol's SS to the one from the SSS. (Speaking of Katma, a lot of DC's supporting cast ladies from the Silver Age [Carol, Katma, Iris, etc.] were murdered or otherwise treated horribly the last few decades. You might want to address that.)
very interesting back story and your reactions are great. The slap made me laugh out load, literally.
Being afraid of men seems loosely based on where she raptured away all the [20] men.
Even within that omitted contex, the rapturing was a (failed) attempt to counter her nemesis, the Flash, not wholly "men, ugh."
From your overview of the story, the misandry initially seemed subtextual. Also present, a subtext that she thought women would be easier to dominate (but those Keystone girls had gumption and weren't gonna be pushed around).
To keep Barry's claim that she's afraid of men, it needs to be set up in *this* story.
Star Saphire needs to recoil or flinch in an interaction with a man that doesn't have super powers and isn't actively trying to harm her.
She flings herself away from Barry into normal space, is laid out, a civilian or police officer offers her help and she lashes out.
But the conclusion that she's afraid of men in only half right: in the climax, both Star Saphires are pitted against each other, stripped of their magic power and her misandry is revealed to misanthropy and fear of other people.
Give a little retcon shake to the Saphire choosing Carol more lantern ring style, not just because she looked like the former queen. Have her chosen and abandoned by the Saphire and her space Amazons.
Have Barry learn from the dark reflection of his actions in SS1's and heal, instead of breaking down further.
It doesn't all quite fit together yet, just spit balling how best to incorporate and elevate what was presented without just spending an hour writing a draft in a comment that's too long to reasonably assume anyone should actually read.
I love that you make storys of my favorite characters from marvel and dc thanks so much
I LOVE your deerstalker detective aesthetic!
"Stop watching Jupiter Ascending on loop!"
Never!
I like how green lantern started from space star i think too they formed into a lantern and ring and eventually made it ways to alan scott
Must this blessing shield you from the wrath of the Holy Ones & Zeros.
The original costume looks cool. I wish we had that more than the stripperific version.
I would love to see a Queen Bee breakdown! so many conflicting iterations of that character!
Ok FIRST the Wig ...YOUR ROCKING IT, Don't ever doubt yourself again, you look GREAT. Second TY for this story on Star Sapphire I, Golden Age Origin GREAT. Third, maybe we could had a story where Jade is actually Star Sapphire I daughter the rightful heir to the "kingdom" LOL. Just a thought.... BTW Jades Power Pulse and the Star symbol on the Star Sapphires costume is the link. Blessings
I can't believe DC did "Y the last man" before Y the last man
It's interesting to see what characters and concepts stuck and which didn't. I wonder if the silver age Star Sapphire was also inspired by the golden age character Harlequin; a villainess who was in love with Green Lantern but didn't know she worked with him in civilian life.
I like this. Thank you
my headcanon is that older OG star sapphire sounds like eartha kitt and you can't tell me i'm wrong.
@3:50 lmfao the fast 'who are you' cracks me up
I too am still on earth only because of my thirst for green lanturn. By the way I'm a freelance artist.
Since I don't see it, I must add the obligatory:
"Why would Hal Jordan do this?!"
Given they retconned a Golden Age Red Lantern maybe they'd want to create a Golden Age version of all the lantern corps? It'd be a easy way to kinda bring her back.
Somehow this was like, the last semi prominent golden age character I became aware of.
I dunno, compared to the Flashes, who are a very tight knit unit, the relationship between Alan and Hal specifically seems much more distant, even adversarial in spots. And even if it was a flash villainess, it's a GL sort of thing now.
There's not a whole lot of time spent dealing with Alan's baggage in GL books is my point so things slip out of notice.
because alan is worlds away from hal.
His power source comes from the starheart, which is magical, while hal and the others are more sci fi.
Even jay sometimes is linked with the speed force, plus he also has the advantage of being barry's inspiration, which I still think is a great idea.
Can I just mention Jadis in the magician's nephew is also a ruler of a planet while also being the only member of the population
I caught that Kid Lantern issue panel with Wally learning Hal is GL...
that's a good issue. lol
"Jupiter Ascending, is that you?"
I know that people don't like this movie, but I love it! Thanks, Sasha, for making this joke. it means that someone else saw it besides me.
Also, your Ms. Frizzle wig is FIRE!
Lol I've seen that movie more than once, it's not good but I find it so entertaining, and quoatable.
You should do one for Dial H! Love your content
The Milton Caniff style artwork in the original Star Sapphire story is the bees' knees. I'm wondering if the original being called Sapphire, and hanging out with Zamasons and not liking men, was supposed to come across as so sapphic?
Completely random thing to take from this video, but that Flash Annual #1 was my introduction to superheroes. My dad only kept a small collection of comics from his childhood, and with the other ones being stuff like The Dark Knight Returns, Flash was the only one my book-ravenous seven-year-old self could really comprehend, and I LOVED it. From there I found the Justice League cartoons (sadly not B:TAS, took me until high school to finally watch that), Young Justice, Spider-Man, etc. It took until Spider-Man’s entrance into the MCU for me to *really* get into superheroes, but the Flash (and especially Wally West) has always been one of my favorite fictional characters, and I’ve always felt a special love for the Flash Family because that Flash Annual was my first comic book.
Oh, and mainly for the same reason, I’ve always considered Gorilla Grodd the Flash’s real arch-nemesis.
7:52 okay, that got a chuckle out of me.
"All Flash" is a pretty cool title.
I hope they bring that back.
The way the Star Sapphire approaches earth reminds me Junji Ito's Hellstar Remina
16:30 Whenever I hear "We are the same, you and I" I have flash backs to the Harpy from the Last Unicorn ("We are sisters, you and I.")
Lol, I just read Green Lantern #16 last week (sadly, in a b&w format). In that story she seemed like a vehicle to get Carol more involved, rather than just pining for GL on the sidelines and getting mad at Hal for standing her up. I haven't read any other stories with Star Sapphire, but from what I've seen there needs to be more ground laid pertaining to her motivations, and maybe a tweaking of her origin and history. She could be an interesting character if handled correctly, but so far, no great shakes. Thanks, and love the wig, Miss Frizzle. :)
I love the wig! You look gorgeous!!!
Love OG Star Sapphire's shoes AND your wig, My Sister!
@Casually Comics can you do more videos on the various lantern corps please 🙏
Star sapphire from the golden age sounds fun.
Really cool to see the character concept jump rogues galleries!
Barry "I'll Give You Something To Cry About" Allen lmao
Suggestions for obscure characters: Shark (from Green Lantern) and Creeper.
Also, question: Why back in the Golden Age there was so much content for a single comic?
PS
Thanks again Sasha!
Didn't she already do Shark? czcams.com/video/yA2fu_0GXXU/video.html
Back then, comics was _the_ most consumed form of media back in the day, which is why it was called the “Golden Age.” Everyone was reading comics: men, women, children, teenagers, old, and young. Comics weren’t just about superheroes(they weren’t originally about superheroes), they covered all genres: horror, drama, romance, etc.
After the Comics Code Authority, comics entered the Silver Age and became a “niche” hobby. Even today, comics aren’t as popular as they were back then.
7:32 I don’t know why that made me laugh so much, but it did 🤣
With all the conks to the head that Hal's experienced over the years, it's no wonder he doesn't know what will is.
Can you do a video on the Bronze Age Star Sapphire? The one from the 70s Secret Socety of Super-Villains? That was my introduction to the character. She had some intriguing subplots going on/hinted at, but then I never saw her again. With Carol's SS being just someone mentioned in footnotes, dialogue and letters pages. This Gold Age one I only discovers years later in a higher quality reprint of that Flash Annual (reprint of a reprint), but loved discovering an Earth-Two double (oh and thanks, I think this might be my 1st kearning that she had a second Pre-Crisis appearance). I liked her, or the idea of her, enough so that her modern return was one of the few modern comics I justhad to get (even if from a dollar bin). One question that I never had answered for myself was which Star Saphire was it in Crisis? Carol or the SSSV?
Star Sapphire is cool and all but that wig? Amazing. Frames your face, compliments your tones.... A+!
Hey Cas, can u do a video on Starbreaker. I don’t know why they haven’t used for anything in a while because he’s a really cool character.
Her b&b ep was special to me because it got more into the character and study her
Love the Ms Frizzle Wig!
Can he even remember all the planes he flew?! What other defense does he have! Hal Jordan, how could you!
Don't be so hard on her. We have all seen our plans fail and go "you know what? I better leave now" at some point in our lifes
The panel with Barry's tear on it was too much
I feel like that wig needs some sort of accessory to really bring out it's potential. Maybe something like a shoulder iguana.
"We're two of a kind, you and I"
Me: oh, no! Not again! 😅
There was a 3rd golden age story that didn't get printed as the comic was canceled the issue it was to come out. I remember the last ending page or two from that story printed in, I think, one of the 100 Page Spectacular comics. The last panels show Wonder Woman showing up and I think original Green Lantern and telling the Flash she would take the captured Star Sapphire to Reform Island to fix her criminal tendencies. Apparently, that page or two that showed up in that comic is the only surviving parts of that unpublished story now. It was colored and everything ready for print.
when I asked for a star sapphire retrospective...
Speaking of "Forgotten Characters," I just miss Blue Devil. He just had fun, weird stories.
The wig looks great 👍👍 I wish I could same the same for OG Star Sapphire in her modern appearance, u would think she would be better at cutting her own hair after all these yrs
I like the wig, it works with the amazons/zamarons vibes. Very Queen Hippolyta.
definitely a villain casually smoking a cigarette.
My thoughts 🤔 Sasha I’ll take thirsty rejected high school cheerleader Carol / Star Sapphire from DC’s Superhero Girls for the Win…as the Most Entertaining Version…IMO …The wig is cute , Keep Up The Outstanding Work 🖖🏾
"I can fix him!" DCSHG is fantastic.
100% Agree …Luv it even though it definitely wasn’t meant for a 60 yr old Geek /Nerd like me 🖖🏾
If people were passing out from a lack of oxygen, her cigarette would not smolder, Oh well, SCIENCE!