Is Tiamat the Queen of Monsters? The Mesopotamian Creation Story
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Today we take a look at some Mesopotamian mythology with the goddess Tiamat and the creation story of the Enuma Elis. Was she the mother of monsters or the creator of life?
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Tiamat: Originally wanted to *end* the chaos caused by her children, ended up being considered Chaos Incarnate.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
The Sumerian "TI" can mean Life (or rib / dust...), As in NINTI (Antu)
@@52Megatonthat is fascinating
@grimbananas714 that's the problem with being eternal
GAIA: Motherhood is so chaotic in our mythology
TIAMAT: You should have seen ours.
Right! Lol
Gaia: How bad was it for you?
I first heard Tiamat's name thanks to Dungeons And Dragons, but I really didn't know much about her save for the fact that she was supposedly the very first Dragon that ever existed, and all the races of Dragons that came after her were her children. It wasn't until she was added to the roster of the video game Smite that I really learned a lot more about her lore. She really is one of the most fascinating Dragons in all of mythology, and also Smite's design for her is absolutely stunning.
Mythology should also remember how her children killed her husband, their own father. Monster as she may be she's nowhere near as monstrous as her vile children who killed their own father or the child of those children that killed his grandmother only to be glorified as a king of gods instead of a killer of his creator. Her rage came from losing her other half, that's what history should remember to highlight when speaking of her.
I always saw Tiamat as an Earth Mother like Gaia
Tiamat was also featured in the MonsterVerse comic Godzilla: Dominion (she had previously been contained in Stone Mountain, Georgia in King of the Monsters until King Ghidorah awakened her). In the comic, she fought Godzilla and was defeated (but not without putting up a great fight and nearly killing Godzilla). And she had previously killed an ancient member of King Kong's species (who had previously defeated a younger Godzilla in ancient times).
Fun fact: According to the comic's illustrator, Tiamat (MonsterVerse) can create waterspouts.
What I find fascinating is how around the world the Dragon vs. The Thunder God is a recurring theme.
Thor vs. Jormungandr.
Zeus vs. Tython.
Susano vs. Orochi.
The Thunderbird vs. The Horned Serpent.
The list goes on.
God vs leviathan
It’s an Indo European thing. The Dragon also usually is withholding the rains from the people and the thunder god slays the dragon/serpent and brings back the rains. This is true with Indra, thunder god and bringer of the monsoon. And of Thor, and of Zeus/Jupiter and Perun etc.
Don’t forget about Perun v Veles in the Slavic pantheon! Thunder god v serpent/dragon is by far for favorite theme in mythology
@@yousifboti I doubt that, the Indo Europeans were around in the Copper Age and didn’t have much contact with that area; and mythology experts always refer to it as a shared Indo European motif rather than anything Mesopotamian
@@yousifboti lol ok dude
Primordial deities, like Tiamat, & in general, are so intriguing, across many cultures with creation mythos! Love the artwork in this! Wonderfully presented, my friend! Fabulously done!🌹💜🔥🌍
All Primordial deities are demonitzed by the archon males becouse they are also known as divine goddess and they turn into monsters by the male patriarchy, that is why she is turn into monster but she is not a monster
Don’t forget the Greek titians (the castrators).
hey man, just wanted to say that I've been following your channel for 3 years and your videos have always brought me a very necessary escape. keep doing what you do!
Split second I thought this was from the d&d lore channels I subscribed to.
You can leave future Mesopotamian video ideas here!
Epic of Gilgamesh of course
That's one video about a hell of a milf. So taking at hearth your suggestion, how about that Norse (?) "Ring" epic, If you could tell it from the eyes of Alberich that'd be awesome, shutout and blame to MandaloreGaming who made a video about the game based of it.
Is it me or that a CZcams Channel called Mythology also realsed a topic video on Tiamat an hour ago on the same day as Mythology and Fiction Explained Did 😲😱🤯?
Deeper depth of Mesopotamian mythology and their gods/goddesses.
Gilgamesh and Ekidu stories.
No one ever references *Kur* as being an older mythological monster than Tiamat. Why? *Kur* pre-dates Tiamat.
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Poor Tiamat. She just wanted to have some quiet time, so her husband had to be killed and herself as well... :(
It’s very sad
If you want quiet time, don`t have kids...
@@helgeakeroe8510If you want quiet time, don't have parents, either...
Tiamat!
A name probably first heard by fans of Dungeons and Dragons and/or Final Fantasy!
When I planned to run Tyranny of Dragons I was literally spooked to see that she had stats that made the Tarrasque look like a clown
Fate
Tiamat vs Bahamut, who's better?
I first heard it from The Monsterverse comic Godzilla: Dominion
Much more interesting than Dungeons and Dragons. Tiamat was the “ beginning “ …. The chaos that created the world . Mesopotamia has some seriously interesting history, legends and stories.
This sounds the same narrative we see in the Greek/Roman and Norse/German mythology
Tiamat the great before of all dragons that followed
As a fan of dragons this is a cool story to me
Amazing how I don't really notice Tiamat in a lot fantasy stories. Thanks a lot for the video.
So does this mean we will have a Mesopotamia playlist here soon?😍😍😍
The Kalevala has some pretty wild stories. Swan eggs creating the stars, a mill that creates gold and a mother who travels into hell, does the pieces of her dead hero son together and brings him to life. And, of course, accidental incest. Fin times for all the family.
The similiarities with the Titanomachi or the war against the giants in the Norse mythology ar equite interesting
Great video!! Finally this goddess gets a video.
Yam, also known as Yaw (YHW from Mt Ebal curse tablet), is the Ugaritic god of rivers and the sea.
Also known as Judge Nahar ("Judge River"), he is also one of the *Elohim* or *sons of El,* the name given to the Levantine pantheon.
Others dispute the existence of the alternative names for Yam/Yaw, claiming it is a mistranslation of a damaged tablet. Despite linguistic overlap, *theologically this god is not a part of the later sub regional monotheistic theology, but rather is part of a broader Levantine polytheism.*
He is also known from Egyptian sources, which present him as an enemy of Set (at the time viewed as a heroic *slayer of monsters* and similar to Levantine and Anatolian weather gods).
YHW is mentioned 41 times in the Rig Veda.
Yam is the deity of primordial chaos and represents the power of the sea, untamed and raging; he is seen as ruling storms and the disasters they wreak.
The *seven-headed dragon* Lotan is associated closely with him and *the serpent* is frequently used to describe him.
Despite his antagonistic role in myths, YHW was sometimes invoked in theophoric names, indicating some degree of cult, which sets him apart from another similar figure, Tiamat.
As Yam's myth is generally believed to be older than the Enuma Elish, it's possible Tiamat was partially patterned *after* him.
Of all the gods, despite being the *champion of El,* YHW holds special hostility against *Baal Hadad, son of Dagon (or El).*
Yam is a deity of the sea and his palace is in the *abyss* associated with the depths, or Biblical tehom, of the oceans. (This is not to be confused with the abode of Mot, the ruler of the netherworld.)
In Ugaritic texts, Yahweh's special enemy Hadad is also known as the *"king of heaven" and the "first born son" of El,* whom ancient Greeks identified with their god Cronus, just as Baal was identified with Zeus, Yam with Poseidon and Mot with Hades.
(Trinity of Sons of God under God motif)
While Baal Hadad was the lead god in Ugarit, in the Baal cycle it is Yaw who is favored by El, and he even briefly rules over the other gods. Baal only rises to power after vanquishing him with the help of his allies Kothar-wa-Khasis, Astarte and Anat.
Yam's ultimate fate is unclear, as the text makes references to both death and captivity, and in later sections of the myth Baal talks about Yam/Yaw as if he was *still alive and a possible threat.*
While in the past researchers, especially those belonging to the myth-ritual tradition, interpreted the myths of Baal, Yhw and Mot as a representation of the cycle of seasons and thus related to fertility rites, this view is challenged in more recent scholarship as incorrect or simplistic.
His name comes from the Canaanite (Israelite) word Yam, meaning "Sea."
Interesting that I watched a video in the masopatamian creation story yesterday.
And now i watch a video Tiamat the next day. Cool!
Please do a video on Ahora Mazda and Angra Mainyu.
This is Very cool! Very in line w/some research I did myself a decade ago for a work of fiction.
I would like to know more about Tiamat's spawn as it was really difficult to find out more than their names and vague descriptions: Kusarikku (the bull man), Ugallu (wild demon dog), Uma Dabrutu (violent storm), Uridimmu (mad lion man), Mushmahhu (seven headed serpent), Basmu (dragon 60 leagues long), Girtablulu (scorpion man), Mushussu (wyrm dragon), Ushumgallu (great serpent), Kulullu (fish man), and Lahmu (the heroic warrior).
I am hear from that supernatural episode about the coin that grants witches.
The Tiamat I know is from Final Final Fantasy and it just destroyed everything like a boss. (Insert FF 7 Boss music)
Square took a lot of inspiration and ideas of monsters from Dungeons and Dragons into Final Fantasy. That includes Tiamat and bahamut.
You made a new video? Awesome!
Great story
Thank you so much for all your hard work
Excellent stuff
That was a amazing video. Please do one about the epic of Gilgamesh too
Humbaba/Huwawa...I recently heard a theory that this character from Gilgamesh epic represented the deity Yahweh
What's the best way to learn more about Mesopotamian Mythology?
Great video, and neat that two of my favorite channels released Tiamat videos the same day! As I related there, as a kid that started playing AD&D in the late 70s or early 80s, I'll always think of Tiamat as the queen of the evil dragons.🐉⚔🧙
Thanks for the cool video.
Really nice👍
Good video 👍🏻
Excellent video many thanks 😎👍
Thank you
Very cool.
Great video.
I only heard Tiamat from fantasy rpgs. Many thanks for this vid, I learned some more about Tiamat.
Also...did I hear that right? 300 gods above and 600 gods below? Man that's a lot of gods.
Gilgamesh, the epic thereof, if you haven’t already.
Enki also saved mankind when the god Enlil wants to destroy mankind. Enlil tried it three times, the third time he sent a flood. Enki told a human, Atra-hasïs, to build an arc for animals and human, to survive the flood. That arc is round by the way. (Source: Irving Finkel)
Why was Enlil so hellbent to destroy humanity?
@@dreademperor2094 because they made to much noise, he could sleep. 🤣
@@jannetteberends8730 like father like son I guess
Creating the world from the body of a defeated god pops up a lot in mythology. And as several comments have already mentioned, the Thunder God vs Serpent motif is pretty cross cultural as well. Chaos vs order & the concept of creation out of destruction is probaby older than good vs evil. Makes you wonder if certain ideas/stories date back to PIE peoples.
There’s a Swedish Gothic metal band called Tiamat , so it’s nice to know where they get their name from
Heard of Tiamat. Never listened to them, though.
Yeah in this story gonna feel simplified for Tiamat. 🐉🐲⚡️🌩
Cool.
Yes.
They say Tiamat and Leviathan are one and the same. Interesting.
Hmm 🤔, didn't know that til now! And yes, very interesting indeed
Tiamat was the result of meddling in social narratives by the Tengu...
I love summons
And I'm guessing beyond a generic reference to it you know is in the Bible you have no true information of it's origin, etymology, archetype meaning, or a translation. 99.9 time one says a ha it's either a Bible thumper or an annu neki nut sucker crazy..either way they never do.
Sad too because of it's references. The art of word smithery used to be an art form like musical composition. Now most people aren't capable of anything other than literal barely surface analysis walking away with no more wisdom or understanding just a recount of the words remembered like a historical event without the deeper archetypes comprehended. I always explain to people I have learned working in Anthropology the easiest way to prove a decline in mental ability is communication itself. Hieroglyphic Pictographic Sanskrit and Cuneiform are prime examples. Today we think having to write individual little characters in long strings is more advanced and detailed when read. This isn't the case. We derived languages from art actually by combining various characters symbols and marks on top of one another forming a combined complex "art" piece. But because of this much more information can be explained when you see the individual items used before combined and the various combinations possible like solving an anagram even. Several sentences out of one complex glyph is far more advanced than todays.
Do Pazuzu?
I would love to your take on Inanna.
I do love stories time
Still unable to find what influenced Tiamat change from Griffen type image to a 3 headed dragon. Who was first to do this?
How about a video about the monster Humbaba?
I have two channels both from 6 hours ago one after the other on my subscription list talking about this mythical monster. Also both channels are about mythology. Is that a coincidence?
More on inanna please
All I know is when I heard of this thing I instantly thought of the riding lady from 9th Gate Movie. She can devour me any day.
Does this make Tiamat the Original MOTHER OF DRAGONS?
Yes
Do a video about the ourobouros
oddly enough thanks to the simon necronomicon this actually has a loose relationship to the cult of cathulu mythose...
Hey look, it's Five-Headed Dragon, or Five-God Dragon!
Tiamat and Echidna would be great pals
Evil chaotic monster or cutest mom who became a beast because she didnt want her children leaving?
three major specific elements shared with way too many mythologies to be coincidence:
1) everything originates from primordial sea (this could refer to the ending of the last ice age or even to the time between big bang and the formation of galaxies where only a sea of particles existed)
2) gods warring each other [why is there a need for such event or events in the mythology for so many different people? (also note the marduk and tiamat's fight's similarity to god versus the dragon in the bible)]
3) complex social relationships and family relations of the gods (why do so many ancient mythologies describe the gods so human-like and with genetic relationship to each other and with such complex social relationships and events with each other, most often following very similar storyline of drama and betrayal? which actually leads to the n2)
Reminds of an episode of sealab on adult swim
It's wild to see how closely this story ties into Nibiruian mythology
nice story .. but 1 question..
you said " at first there was just water and chaos"
where did the water, and chaos come from? before the "gods" even existed??
Water and chaos could represent primordial space.
@@celticperspective5183 who created primordial space?
@@TrueInvisible primordial space is almost nothingness so needs no creator
@@TrueInvisible anyway most Pagans believe in cyclical reality, primordial chaos comes a breakdown of the ordered reality of the present and the ordered reality of the present comes from the primordial chaos becoming ordered. The first is the last.
@@celticperspective5183 so you are saying that from literally "nothing" something was "born / created" without a creator?? .. my brain short circuited.
This one feels like there is more...time for a new rabbit hole.
Please do one on Ningishzida.
The name suggests a woman, but is it......?
Guardian of the Gate alongside Tammuz?
I would like to see something about this god.
Has the Epic of Gilgamesh been covered in this channel? That would be an awesome vid if not.
That mythology is a chaos
Interesting to see how stories and characters get redefined over time in different cultures. In modern times I'm reminded how Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, but hundreds of years later the muslims create another narrative portraying Jesus as merely a prophet. Such is the way of the world
Dragon: "I want my Mommy"!!
i was waiting for this 1. thank you!!
Chaos is supreme.
Always found it weird that so many Portray Tiamat as a Giant Bat... I guess it is hard to get that image out with these types of Old World religions
Tiamat being a mother of monsters is a relatively new idea. Same to her being a goddess.
Something important to note is that Mesopotamian myths were literal. They followed, also, the rise and fall of their respective city states. Babylon's myth of "Enuma Elish" is merely the description of how Marduk, Babylon's local deity, rose to prominence during the time of Hammurabi. Tiamat's general role isn't important. She is basically there to show that the complete order - a concept Babylon adored above all - triumphed over chaos, the rest of Mesopotamia.
You can see this sort of vitriolic hatred of literally everyone else and a rabid superiority complex Babylon has both in myth and history.
To the creator of this video.
What sources did you use to narrate this video?
Interest for comparison purposes.
gilgamesh
Explain
Tiamat sounds like Echidna from Greek Mythology.
Focus all fire on King Ghidora
I really enjoy your videos. I find them very informative and entertaining. I don’t subscribe to many channels but I definitely added you to the short list. Do you basically stay in the mythological stories? Have you thought of doing any more bible stories? I see you had the Guardians I believe that was your video the Book of Enoch, paradise Lost and Paradise Regained. I always wished that Amazon Netflix or HBO would do a TV series on the Bible starting to Lucifer was an Angel to his fall. Next season they could have Adam and Eve and so on. Sorry I kind of get going on and on. 😂
Now now, we all know that Tiamat is a gigantic and terrifying Loli. She went to war against Gilgamesh and his forces after the defeat of Gorgon.
Did you watch the anime eyes closed because she never looked like a loli
@ShinyORT she's a loli in the jp fate grand order which he's referring to
Clay tablets and written in Archadian? I thought anything Archadia was mythological or fantasy!!?? Tell me more?!
wow ... I mean - Greek gods were a-holes, but this was .... wow... 0_o
The Mesopotamian gods make them look like saints
Get ready to save summon tickets and saint quartz guys!
Semiramis
Well, the myth about put me to sleep until the annoying commercials make me stop and write this before making sure this channel is never recommended to me again.
Two Mythology channels did Tiamet at the exact same time. What are the chances?
Channels called "Mythology Unleashed"
You think they are part of the same research team?
I do all the research myself and videos are planned months ahead to allow for the artwork to be created so happy coincidence I guess.
@@MythologyFictionExplained Your content absolutely rocks, my friend! Keep these coming, you're doing famously!👍😎🌹💜🔥
I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw that. It's happened a couple of times.
So Fate's representation of her is actually accurate
U missed gozer the gozerian
She and her counterpart are big in DnD worlds 🤔
D&D
Monster of Loch Ness??
Tiamat is a dragon
Tiamat is dragon’s creator.
Typhon : "am I a joke to you people "
A potential derivative.
Imagine in real life Godzilla would be his second wife
Moral of the story: the Mesopotamian mythology was an incomprehensible convoluted mess. No wonder every city had a different version, noone could keep track of what *_actually_* had happened
Mythology in a nutshell