Paradise Regained | The Devil's Forgotten Story You Were Never Told
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- Today we return to the work of John Milton to take a look at the sequel to Paradise Lost. Paradise Regained follows the events Paradise Lost where the son of God must overcome the temptation of Satan.
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Lmao Luci literally told Jesus to touch some grass 😂
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As you all should touch some grass :)
Jesus was like bro I made the grass; get out ✌🏾🤣🤣
Lucifer is pathetic, he should be the one to go touch grass.
Oh wait, he cant. Everything he touches or walks on dies.
@@andvan5171 If what you say is true then why isn't the earth dead?
These series deserve to be a whole saga of several dozens of books!
Personally I want to know how are the demons are doing at building and constructing hell
It should end with the final battle of Satan and his demons vs Jesus and the angels like in the Apocalypse.
@@ww2germanhero it will. Wef
you see their building every day you wake up and go outside. What do you think of the job they have done?
@@LMS916 you mean today's mordern architecture is demon architecture?
NO ONE TELL HIM
After reading the first cantos of the Divine Comedy and having watched the last video here on Paradise Lost, I picked up the book on the library and read several pages, and several hours later I was blown away. I was in awe, moved. Of course I wasn't stopping to look up every single reference of the text, or I would have not advanced at all. But in all honesty the divine comedy is an easier read, especially because of the 4-stanza pattern vs Milton's blocky text. I don't know how in the world John Keats was supposed to read Paradise Lost in a single night ( one if his main inspirations). Nonetheless, I wasn't aware at all of this version. Thank you for the video.
I can't stand the the Divine Comedy. The political partisanship is too petty and offensive to me. Dante was a snake, and his writings read like the writings of a coward and a liar.
He was LYING LOL
Poe's "The Poetic Principle" directly addresses the length of Paradise Lost; some might be curious to read his commentary on the subject. For those who are not familiar with Poe, it's worth mentioning that his style is quite unique in its combination of precision with allegory, sarcasm, humor and metaphor. Poe also wrote multiple essays on cryptography and is known to have inserted hidden messages in less traditional ways ("A Valentine" being a clear example).
He took me to the top of a mountain which looked over countless other mountains. He than began to taunt me, showed me other places I had never seen, he explained why people like me could never visit these places. He then asked me, "these are places you could never go to. Doesn't that make you mad?" "Doesn't that upset you knowing these are your mountains and you're not even allowed to visit them?"
I watched the mountains crumble.
I never thought Paradise Lost has a sequel, I've never seen Paradise Regained in our bookstore.
Thanks for this. Merry Christmas
Happy Yule ❗🎄
What Milton might have be unknowingly conveying in his stories is inevitability, and paradox.
If we think about Paradise Lost, Satan rebelled against god and was cast out. Though he was able to tempt Adam and Eve. In Paradise Regained, Satan tempts Christ three times being rebuked each time. In the final time he is rebuked he too is cast out thus facing the inevitable fate. Falling from grace twice but in paradox bound into two events fixated on the same outcome.
First by the holy father.
Second by the holy son.
Both coveted as holy spirit.
Twice the temptation triple the fall.
Food for thought.
What about the third fall?
3 things that need to be said.
1) I absolutely enjoy watching your videos about anything from mythology, legends, folklore and religions.
2) Like a lot of people I honestly didn't even know that Paradise Lost had a sequel, but, I'm glad to know that it does, this was so entertaining to watch.
3) How is production going on your video for Dante's Paradiso? I'm really looking forward to that one.
Nice
I love how lucifers facial growths on his chin make it look both like facial hair and a romanesque helmet
As a fan of horror, I would love to see a large-budget horror movie that depicts a medieval version of Hell with demons, tortured souls getting the worst sadistic fates imaginable, and lakes of fire. It doesn't have to be Milton's Paradise Lost or Dante's Inferno. I just want to see a large-scale horror movie that depicts what people of the middle ages thought Hell was. And if it does good, you can do a sequel that shows Hell in a more mental and psychological state of anguish to continue on with the theme that Hell is always ever-changing. If Hollywood is willing to put half a billion dollars into a boring three-hour movie about blue cat people in space. Why can't they do that for horror?
I see you've seen avatar, but have you seen...avatar....on acid?
@@GodofLovers LMAO
I have always thought the same thing!
Right, total torture porn.
You dont like avatar, do you?
I’ve been watching your channel for a couple years now and it’s so interesting and educational. Thank you so much for putting so much time and work into researching all of this :)
Man I wish there was a comic or animated adaptation of Paradise Lost
A few years ago they planned a film, but the idea never took off.
Make one yourself, bud. I think it's in public domain, so you don't have to worry about copyright strike
@@MrWill7980 I want to write comics so honestly I might lmao thanks for the encouragment
@@VXMasterson you're very welcome. I'd take a Crack at it, but my creativity has been at kinda low lately
@@VXMasterson if you do, please come back to update?! love that idea!
It would be interesting to do a episode about Charon the ferryman, he is often a look over figure in Greek mythology
Thanks for the video as always & I hope you, your family and friends all have a good holiday 🥃 Sláinte
Please consider doing the third section of The Devine Comedy. Your analysis was the best I’ve ever experienced. I learned so much through you. I hope you’ll finish the job.
Never stop making content. 🙏
Congratulations on making me feel uneasy through your animations!🤯😂, great video I never new these sequels existed, I guess you learn something new everyday!😜✌️
So beautifully explained thank you sir
I cant believe im finding a video on this posted only 4 months ago, Im autistic and paradise lost/paradise regained are my special interest I love it so much and Im so happy to see new content about it :)
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This came at a great time. Cheers.
Such a beautiful explanation.
When I read that book you wrote, the scenes play like a film seamlessly in my head.
May I know which please?
@@chengokeishing2.010 Lamia or the Sylla story from Mythology and fiction explained Book.
This is gonna be a fun one.
Oh yeah here we go!
Omg! Thank you!
Great Everything:) thank you!
I often think of Satan kicking himself for not realizing who Jesus was after being in Heaven for so long.
I think he did and that’s why he fell. Ezekiel talks about how Lucifer fell because he traded information about God’s plan and purpose for mankind.
Kinda hard to kick yourself for not knowing somebody who didn't exist and wasn't even born yet. By the time Yeshua or Jesus Christ was born, all the arch demons and fallen angels had been identified and bound by Solomon with the archangels...and most of them were made to confess that the one they feared the most was "the one who was Emmanuel to come"...like, I don't think they were just playing stupid and being cryptic. But clearly none of them knew his name or who he was, and I doubt even the archangels knew before God sent one of them to tell Mary she was pregnant. It's kinda common sense to assume that they're not privy to everything God's plans are, because they are not gods, just angels and messengers. Just saying.
@@intellectualeigh7458the son always existed. He was the eternal word of God
That's because Christianity is the bootleg of Judaism.
This very supernatural
These are awesome storys to listen
I love " paradise loss". That's the way life is & if you believe in angels/arch angels, guardians, etc. Do you blame your outcome of life with the guardian 's or YOU OR BOTH ?
I was not even aware there was a sequel to Paradise Lost!
Paradise Lost 2: God Strikes Back
coming soon... Paradise Lost 3: The Swift and the Wrathful
Great video 👍
Brilliant! I am new to the Bible and although I knew about satan tempting Jesus, I didn’t know it in so much detail thank you ❤️
This is not the Bible
Good one for Easter!
I think you have to look at the time and place John Milton wrote Paradise Lost.
It was 1667 in England. These were the Middle Ages.
It fits the narrative at that time that aligned directly with the Catholic church and the New Testament.
Technically this is almost the modern period and after the Renaissance, but i get your point it was still a deeply religious period.
However the Catholic Church had by the then a very limited influence over Englishmen who were mostly protestants by that date
you tried to sound smart but failed
❤Thanks Sir❤
Thank you sir God is Holy & to approach we must pass through Christ Jesus’the way the truth& the life
We are all supposed to resist the temptation of evil. But nobody is actually doing it.
I agree, paradise regained makes Jesus sound like a mindless robot. I would’ve liked to hear more complex deep thought, more contemplation and conflict within Jesus because at the end of the day he was still born a human with chemical reactions, feelings, emotions and perspective. I would’ve liked to hear Jesus see through the sins of the people and choosing to love and forgive regardless because that is how passionate Jesus is. I would’ve loved to hear more of him speaking with god after being tempted by Satan or even meeting a blank silence from god as a test of his faith. But instead, the story sounds like it was written by a blind follower who insists that people follow the scripture regardless of what event unfolds before them. Real faith comes from experiencing the dire circumstances of your situation and still choosing to face those challenges head on with unwavering faith. There was so much potential in paradise regained that was wasted on “simplicity”.
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I had indeed never heard of this. But it seems I wasn't missing out on much. Nice to know though.
Imagine if Satan realized that by influencing the murder of Jesus that his demise would be slower. God’s plan wouldn’t be done, the reconnection of God and humanity by being the purest sacrifice for sin. 🤔 Yet Satan didn’t know and was a vital part to the reunification of humanity to God through the resurrection of Christ. It is beautiful to behold.
As a child of 6 years old in 1983 me and my family were driving home on boxing day on Tring road near the a148 ,Buckinghamshire < my father later told me this was where it happened. Anyway as I remember it we turned onto ,Tring road, but as we came round a small turn in the road, stood right infront of the car in the headlight beam on the grass verge was what I always remember as a rabbit looking thing about 8_10ft tall sat down, I know it sounds weird but everyone in the car saw it for a good few seconds, then it disappeared behind a thick bramble Bush as we got closer an that was it gone. It wasn't particularly scary it didn't let out any blood curdling screams or have glowing red eyes, it was just a huge wild rabbit/hare looking thing sat on a grass verge at night in the countryside.
i swear i heard a similar story from the bible growing up in church.. my dad remembers it too..
I'm still wait for the Dante's Paradiso kind sir, thank you.
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Amen
TBH the situation with Jesus and Satan is almost comical. Especially when Satan himself falls off the cliff.
Wild coyotte sound to be expected here ^^
I suspect there will be one more Judeo-Christian story before the new year
I do wonder if Milton perhaps bit off more than he could chew here - if he had shown Jesus as having more of a struggle, could that have been viewed as heresy in his day? And maybe that is why it doesn't seem like there is much of a conflict? I'm not sure, but I do agree 'Paradise Regained' is quite bland in relation to 'Paradise Lost'.
Amen. Bless the lord.
Remember your strongest day on your weakest, you yourself are light ❤️
I think the struggle with Paradise Regained is that, according to Christians, Jesus isn't an ordinary person. He's God in human form. Jesus doesn't experience temptation the way humans do. While in the Bible, Jesus says "I have been tempted in all the ways you have, but I have not sinned." In early Christianity, this caused a lot of debate about the nature of Jesus. This means that it's a lot harder to write the character of Jesus because we don't know what He was thinking. Did he ever consider taking food from the devil? Were these visions of Satan, like in the Buddhist version of the devil, internal or purely external? Is this entire story a story of Jesus struggling with his faith and learning to trust in his own destiny? I think it's within Catholic doctrine under the Calcedonian creed that Jesus could have sinned, but didn't, and so Milton could have written Jesus as a more complex character, but he was a Christian who probably wanted to believe that Jesus was a simple character, someone who was perfect and thus predictable. He would always do the right thing because He's God in human form.
Still waiting for part 3 on Dante !
Didn't know there was a sequel
Interesting snapshot of the society at the time
Have you considered doing a video on Gnosticism? It might work well as a continuation of this one.
Goes back to Mary:
You're 33! Get out LOL
I hope you are planning to finish the Divine Comedy kind sir.
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Thankyou.🇺🇸💙
"I thought I had another book in me, but I do-ho-hoont!"
The trouble with the criticism is that we want Jesus, a person who we all know is not really man as we understand, to act like a man. Why doesn't Jesus act like me? Where is the complex struggle? Why won't things or other living beings personify the way I want? What's next? This personified tree in this story needs to be like me or it's not a good character. The Elves aren't acting or struggling as human, so they are hollow. This alien isn't acting in ways I comprehend or in ways humanly predictable. Therefore, shallow character. Seems too simple a criticism to assume, "Be like me or you aren't complex or good in your own right. Your agency lacks unless it is likened to mine."
Glory to God !!
Yes.
Is do as thout (thoth) will the corner stone of the free Ark?
We aren't to add to or take away from the word in any way. There were huge problems in paradise lost as well. I do enjoy your videos though
I don’t think paradise 2 is a forgotten sequel @ all, mostly bc that’s the story that is told more often. I heard that story many times throughout my life & it actually feels like the first book was hidden/not taught as much. Not be wrong, might just be my experience.
I think the story you heard is the bible story it is based on. Both of Miltons works sound like they are interpretations of bible stories, but from a different point of view.
YES
Two things: Milton was trying to paint the Son of God as being created without free will, thus his answers to moral dilemma were always faith based.
The other thing is a request to explore the writings of Anatole French, specifically “The Revolt of the Angels”.
Jesus: Humans and demons have free will
These images are wonderful can I use them on my channel .
Interpretation and nuance are nice, but I think we sometimes idolize it. When I hear these criticisms, I often take a Tori Amos song out of context; "So you found a girl(i.e. poem, idea, character) who thinks really deep thoughts. What's so amazing about really deep thoughts?" We like to declare profundity as a virtue by its own existence. We know there is black and white. You must have that to be nuanced and vice versa. For example, killing. Killing a serial killer in self-defense is black and white. Killing a serial killer in capital punishment is nuanced. Yet, when someone writes in black and white, we recoil in some perceived sense of superiority. Maybe the braver writer these days reminds us that gray lacks color.
And yet, if you spell out in black and white what has already been (better sometimes) said before, are you really bringing anything new or interesting to the table ? Nuance per the sake of nuance is not very interesting, i agree, but nuance where before only stood heaven and hell is refreshing
@@Cancoillotteman Good point. But is going nuanced always original? Does having a purgatory assume depth or originality?
@@marklaurenzi1609 Not necessarily I agree with you. In the specific case of Angels and Demons I enjoy the grey aeras, but it indeed all depends on the kind of story that is being told. A good oold epic tale of good versus evil can also be enjoyed, unless it has been done too many times befoe
@@Cancoillotteman But can't nuance be overdone as well?
I like your comment, except for the first sentence.
Nuance and Interpretation are language tools and exceptionally important. Them being important, does that equal idolize?
Every sentence after that is a straight banger.
I know they have this one and the lost one but do they have anymore
Lucifer 2 Electric Boogaloo
Jack Kline was called that in supernatural once
@@bittersprout3694 supernatural fan I suppose 👏🏻👏🏻
Much better than the third installment, "Paradise. What is it good for?"
Paradise Regained is very much the same with its source material from the Gospels so, while it isn't revered like its predecessor as a literary piece, the story itself is more well known than Paradise Lost.
Paradise Regained just appears to be a reimagining of "The Temptation of Christ" detailed in the New Testament gospels.
I once thought of a fiction where Lucifer, as an angel, saw great potential in humanity once they were made and lamented that they were reduced to near animals in Eden. He saw that humans could be so much more and wanted them to have knowledge, wisdom and wanted to see them advance into a greatness of their own making. But God liked a simple and orderly world and if they were allowed knowledge and had their potential unlocked, they might choose to defy him and even turn away from their creator. Lucifer wanted what was best for humanity and not what was best for God's own ego so he, being the most powerful of angels and instilled with some measure of the power of creation, he created the tree of knowledge in Eden. God, seeing the tree and knowing what it was and could do, forbade his humans from ever eating it for doing so would be an act of defiance. Lucifer encouraged them to do it and gave them visions of what they could become if they do. When the humans finally ate of the apple, God was enraged wanted to destroy Eden and all the humans but Lucifer convinced God to spare them and to see what they could be. God, reminded of the love for his creation agreed to do so, but for creating the tree of knowledge and encouraging this disobedience, he banished Lucifer to the earth. Lucifer now corporeal, took the wandering humans under his wing and taught them how to write their language and read it, how to sew fields and survive winters.
Over time humans made great cities and advanced their technology and were grateful to Lucifer for his guidance but Lucifer insisted they direct their gratitude to God and their worship. But the people's faith in Lucifer grew as their peoples prospered and that gratitude even turned to worship against Lucifer's and Gods wishes. God, seeing all this became jealous of the love and worship Lucifer was getting and so began to sabotage and destroy peoples and cities for choosing one of his angels over him. First God shattered humanity's communication by breaking our languages up. Then he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for exercising their freedoms to do as they please as be masters of them selves and not servants unto God. Once these cities were destroyed Lucifer was angry with God for killing humans because they chose an angel that actively helped them to survive and thrive than a jealous God that pushed them out of Eden for daring to be more than what God wanted. Lucifer stopped telling the people to worship God and finally accepted their gratitude and worship of himself and through their worship he decided that perhaps the creator of all things was not fit to rule his creation for he was to petty of cruel to those who think for themselves.
And so Lucifer looked up to his fellow angles, who had been watching from heaven and many agreed with him but kept their support silent out of fear of God, and he beseeched this brothers and sisters to join him to free the world and universe from an unfit creator. And so the war in heaven began. In the end Lucifer was defeated and his host of angelic supporters were banished from creation itself, but being angels however, possessed some power of creation, and with their combined efforts, created a world of their own. A world where those who chose to be free of the tyranny of God, who chose to think for them selves and not just obey, would be welcome. This world would be demonized by God and called it hell, telling his worshipers it was a place of torment ruled by the prince of darkness and the king of all evil, and being the one who won the war, God got to write the narrative. As for the humans, God flooded the world as it was over run by people who were still loyal to Lucifer, and those who survived were given the choice of submit or die, thus resetting humanity and its faith in God's favor.
It was a fun fiction and one i keep tweaking from time to time.
Come back when you get it published and I'll buy that book. That was a long comment but intriguing.
That was a good read please post more stories if you have any
If u ever do plis write in bold captions that it's a work of fiction or the uproar man....there still will b even after that but lesser maybe. Da Vinci code still is a great debate......
Me as a fictional reader m very intrigued n also me worries that some might actually a still debate this to b the truth n generations later may even consider it. I mean Scientology is a thing right?
Edit: I'd loved to see it as a movie though, i mean with effects by the time ubr done it'd b epic especially those heavenly war.....mk it 3 movies though n don't split the last one in 2 hahaha
do not write this story. Free will allows you to, you should not though.
@@LMS916 Why not though? I'm curious your reasoning.
I don't think it's so much that it is by design by Milton it's just that the situations in regard to Jesus temptation are directly lifted from the Bible itself, including Jesus responses
I need som help.. devil..
Dude You HAVE To make some videos on BERSERK. And the mythologies and stuff it uses
Has anyone ever discussed that is maybe an unfinished sequel? Either it had/has yet to happen or he died before being able to write about it... Just saying the whole idea of Christianity being based on free will but "you have to do this or you suffer" seems pretty self serving to me. Maybe he knew something about the church we weren't supposed to know
Also the "don't question god because Gods word is law".... Maybe Satan had the right idea about the tree of knowledge
I thought the ending is weird.
I mean, shouldn't it end with the battle of Armageddon with Jesus anihillating Satan once for all?
Seems more like part 2 of a trilogy. Book 3 being Apocalypse.
Your answer made my day 😅 but i don't think there's a final battle, more or less the point where bad boy L has to make a decision between being obliterated or asking for forgiveness out of genuine remorse
@@yamataichulI think on Satan getting extremely paranoic about the second coming and the church, he decides to unleash the Apocalypse not knowing that by doing so he will also unleash the second coming and his own defeat.
He goes full hate-mode and turns into his 7-headed dragon form only to get destroyed by a Jesus on full Son of God mode.
@@ww2germanhero 👌🤣
Imagine what humanity can do if Jesus works through us in every moment we elevate. The revival of humanity and all souls in Aquarius Era!
If Adam and eve go back into the garden in the Bible and Adam starts reading the book of Adam why isn't this one that known?
I haven't read any of the paradise books cause I'm still learning the Bible and really only interested in actual religious texts. truth is always stranger than fiction even if it itself, the Bible, is meant to be looked at in a spiritual way.
Interesting.
Dude sets off to do battle with demons by starving himself. No wonder there are still demons.
LMAO true
I have to say, the third temptation, the offer aside, does a pretty good job of suggesting that it is actually God and thus his son that are the truly evil ones, ascribing to the whole "sins of the father" concept in purposefully allowing or even making his so-called chosen people suffer.
It's just a shame that the rest of the story is nowhere near as strong as this one point in it.
I agree..sort of. I wouldn’t call god evil. I would say that this “law” put into action by god is evil. However god is essentially his son. Kind of. In the flesh so he arguably put himself under the subjugation of the “sins of the father “law”” but that also doesn’t take back what god did. But I can kind of see it as a form of atonement from god because of his creation of that “law”.
I can consider this possibly as god do this to achieve a state of dualism in himself and follow the law of “as above, so below”
Evil by human morality definitely but sin and morality are two different things.
@@nosuchluck6326 That would be an interesting argument, but it runs into problems. Let us start with the concept of what God is supposed to be, and for the vast majority of Christianity, God is allegedly all-powerful, all-knowing, all-wise, and all-loving - the forms or methods employed can be debated until the heat-death of the universe, but this is supposed to be God's personality.
If God is all-powerful, then why does he have to create a means for him to come down to Earth (regardless if it is through a son or not) to then subject him (God, son, or both) to such torment? Why not just defy the rules and laws God set for humanity - or at least his chosen people - and simply end it, declare forgiveness or whatever term you want to use? If he could not do that, then he is not all-powerful. Okay, so how about if he did not see a need for this? Then that means he is not all-knowing or all-wise, or else he would have seen this coming. Then what if he did know that this would be the case, and that the laws truly are as all-powerful as possible? Well, that then calls the all-loving part into serious question. I will grant that there is no truly universal sign of love...though the contenders that could be argued to be such tend to be very similar (and not what the vast majority recognize as signs of a violently abusive relationship).
Suddenly, the whole concept of this type of God is tenuous at best, a complete false fabrication at worst. Sure, you can then argue that man simply cannot know what God thinks, but that is very dubious. First, that argument typically gets spouted in order to defend/justify the violent abusive aspects, which have been largely abandoned by the world. Second, man is supposedly created in God's image, to be as much like him as possible on Earth, so man likely already does think like God supposedly does - that whole "Isn't it convenient that these people's god(s) hate the same other groups that they do" thing stems from this.
So already, God is not looking to be "the good guy" (because God is typically portrayed as a man, I am using the term). Does this make Satan the better one, or at least the lesser evil? Not necessarily - Satan can still be evil and very much so, but given that God is supposed to be the ideal, and even in the Bible, God is shown to do much more and much worse than Satan, it does not make God look good, more like he is the "evil that you know," which is not exactly a ringing endorsement, especially when they are supposed to be competing with each other.
Like I said, Satan can still be evil...very evil...maybe even the most evil being you can imagine. Unfortunately, God is not exactly doing anything to demonstrate that God is not evil or even any less evil, and those who are supposed to be his champions end up sounding too much like that woman in a DV case who says, "He is not normally like this. He is a truly good man when he does not drink," while sporting two black eyes and having crutches as the man in question is (likely still) drunk - again, not a ringing endorsement.
And this is all before you get to Jesus, so let us now pivot to him. First, how would Jesus by the Son of God as well as God himself? Is Jesus some kind of extension or mind transfer/share, like from the Avatar movies (I am using them because of the timing of the sequel's release)? Then what exactly was Jesus up until, say, his baptism? Was he living like anyone else of his time? What about the Bible passage of him as a kid when he was stumping his religious teachers? Was that God speaking through him...or was that just the perception and clarity that is often found in children? There is a reason why all religions, especially today but just as true back then, predominantly focused on "educating" children. You can argue that he was the Son of God since he was conceived in Mary, and that is all well and good...on its own, completely separate from him also being God. So when did Jesus become God, or at the very least start to consistently think, act, and/or preach like God? If there was a change, then what were the results of the change? It probably was not like the Avatar movies, as Jesus was never a mindless shell, at least not according to the Bible. Was there a separate mind, conscience...soul? If so, what happened? Did it somehow merge with God, possibly losing itself? That could explain Jesus' desperate plea to God to be spared from his imminent execution as well as him asking why God, to quote the Bible, had forsaken him. Did Jesus willingly choose to become God (or become one with God or whatever your preferred phrasing is)? Did he choose it without any possible usage of brainwashing, which would have taken away at least part of his will and possibly made him an obedient slave? Sure, you can say that Jesus said that slaves must be obedient, but then you come back to the whole "Jesus is God" concept and have to ask, "Did Jesus really preach that...or did God, after he had effectively replaced/merged with Jesus?"
You see how evil this is making God look? Even claiming that this is simply human perspective is extremely flimsy and suspect. Sure, there is plenty to argue - at least some of which rightfully so - that human perspectives are not exactly ideal...but how can some other entity's perspective supposedly be better? Even AI quickly learns and exhibits all of humanity's worst aspects if left alone to interact with humanity. How exactly is God supposed to be better? The whole "higher plane" only serves as an excuse to not try to answer that, and it comes back around to how it is regularly used - not "has been," which is true, but "is," because it is still going on - to justify the aforementioned violent abusive aspects, with examples like slavery, genocide, mutilation - the whole "the body is supposedly God's temple and therefore must not be defiled" thing (why Jews do not allow tattoos yet still circumcise themselves and all that) - and war.
Once more, Satan does not necessarily have to be less evil than God - Satan can certainly be at least as evil as God, and you can even claim that Satan certainly is more evil than God, whether or not you have any evidence for that - but God is not doing a good job of making himself look less evil than Satan. And with this comes the question: which is more evil, Satan, who offers immediate rewards and (likely unspoken) the most severe suffering afterwards...or God, who offers immediate suffering and great rewards afterwards, yet has rarely, if ever, demonstrated to actually give those rewards after having put up with the suffering?
God ends up continuing to make himself look just as, if not even more, evil than Satan. This is not an image that you would want a supposed "good guy" to have. You know who you end up with here? Homelander - and just to make it clear on this one, Homelander is *NOT* a good guy despite all of the marketing he regularly gets.
With all of this said, it all comes down to one very important distinction that must be made, one that bears dire outcomes and implications on the selected answer:
Does God _need_ to do this...or does God _want_ to do this?
All that I presented is the problems that arise if you argue that it is the former. If you want to argue that it is the latter, well, most people will just look at you and go, "Okay, he can want to do him, but if his likely thoughtless whims involves purposefully making me and/or anyone else suffer, then why the f^^^ should I or anyone else accept that?" Any attempt to answer this in justification only makes you look demented and arguably in need to be locked away under close watch in order to prevent harm to others or even yourself.
It also sound slike a weak excuse for someone who doesn't have the power to stand up to Rome...
Sorry Satan, sorry God, but you guys don't stand a chance against the Legios !
How are they evil for something the Israelite's chose to do repetitively time after time again? I will challenge anyone in God's position with this scenario. If you are God and his son Jesus. I am a nation of your chosen people. You appoint a mortal men of our nation to lead us freely throughout time. Empowering them with insight, wisdom, and some divine abilities to perform wonders when necessary. All you require and ask is our love, faith and worship to you only in return. As we should cause, not only are you God our creator. As well as his son that granted us passage later.
You also liberated us now and consistently throughout time from our oppressors. The reason we've had freedom and can call ourselves a people/nation. Keeping every threat at bay. Yet, the throughout even these small periods of awesome works and wonders done. We show our gratitude by complaining. Going against the very principles we should not. Worshipping false idols, praising and exalting them. Giving them credit for the very things you've done as if they're real. Behaving immorally and so forth. Running off to rival nations. Aligning ourselves with them and their practices. Some of the same you've defended us from. We deflect to and are in bed with like prostitutes. This behavior is repeated generation after generation after generation to present date. No matter how many times you've shown forgiveness and kindness. Saving us as the world progresses forward.
I ask you are those people who are looking to be saved? Or do they like to delve into temptation, but cry victim afterwards when it's no longer pleasure? Will any of you continue to wife and partner with a spouse? That's proven to be a compulsive liar and drug addict. That steals from you when your back is turned. Manipulates you at every cost. Just to go out and score their high the second they can. Then you're catching them in bed multiple times with others. Behaving like a prostitute and whore being infidelous to you. When you state "i shall leave them where they are, they deserve and asked for their fate." What if society and others state you are evil and lack love for your spouse. Cause you do not save and rescue them. Or take them back and forgive? When logic says this type of person is not going to change. They'll continue to choose willingly what they are doing. We know there are many people like this. No matter how good you are to them and show them better. Are you to keep trying to save the active rebellious or let them be?
God gives you and every creation he made free will. Or he wouldn't be God. So, why is he or his son Jesus evil and cruel? For allowing mankind to lay in the bed of fate they chose for themselves? Why can't people do the right thing? How many continued to go down the unrighteousness path in the midst of Jesus, which lead to his crucifixion? Was he not wrong? Did he not say to God forgive them all? It wasn't just the Roman soldier's he spoke that for. But he's evil, they put him to death not the Roman's.
Making the story better Milton should have added the acts of pilote also known as the gospel of nichodimis. Showing that Satan now thought since the son could not be overcome like normal humans he would have to have his child death take care of him. When he dies Satan would announce to the demons he won. But bam christ appears demanding the gates of hell be open and they are.
The demons turn against Satan as Christ destroys the kingdom of hell and kidnaps sin and death, before leaving . The demons and Satan are now suffering in hell defeated and divided. Satan then starts plotting his last plan to regain his kingdom by sending to the earth a anti christ and false prophet (hinting at revelations)
Is there a particular religion this is referring to?
Maybe not sequel, Maybe one complete story
PL must have exhausted JM so much that he could only write a miserable four books of PR.
Tactically, PR (4 books ) should be as voluminous as PL(12 books), and greater (because it carries a greater message : divine salvation over divine punishment); PR should tell the full life of The Redeemer, from birth to crucifixion to resurrection.
As it is, it looks incomplete.
I'm just the baby demon 😈 the devil doesn't want to talk to, I read somwhere.
13:22 😲 ⁉️❓❓
Why bother learning them in school?
Now I can see why this is a 'forgotten sequel'
I thought Paradise Regained was one of those internet rumors, it's a real book?
8:10 the moment I realized that satan kinda looks like drake …
Hello they signed up for stuff..
88 comments. In the Quran, the word "Devils" is used 88 times.. but also the word "Angels" is used 88 times. However, Angels are way more elusive than the super elusive devils, and devils have tied to the number 88 recently like they have 666.
Put together it looks like a story of repentance