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Two ways to re-pitch samples with the SP40SX/A
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just an extra note; control 3 on the djfx looper only effects the skipping(looping) effect, you dont need it "on" to change the pitch. the way the djfx looper changes "pitch" is by slowing the sample down, but the sp makes a series of micro cuts to keep the sample on tempo, this is what results in the choppy sound you hear with control 1 all the way to the right. as you turn it to the left fewer chops will occur but larger pieces of the sample will be cut off to balance this out. somewhere between 12 and 3 o'clock on control 1 seems to be the sweet spot (it changes for different samples)
ps dont ever use the "pitch" mfx on the sp404. while neither method retains 100% of the orginal audio quality, the djfx looper is much better in this regard
Thanks man yeah - realised that you only need to play around with knob 2 after you have put DJFX on the pad and then use 1 to get the sweet spot. I've found pitch ok in the past, like you say depends on the sample and how many times you are resampling as well!
What do you mean with "keep the sample on tempo?" its the sp404 tempo or the sample tempo?
@@smaudd7873 tempo on the sample. no matter what you do with the djfx the sample is gonna be in the same tempo (more or less)
@@st0nerrxkx So if you change the sample's bpm maybe you could end with a less choppy sound mitigating the micro cuts?
Not sure how the bpm shifter behaves. If its more time stretching probably it wont work. Sorry if it doesn't make any sense I do not own the SP.
ah beat me to it ty
Thanks for the tip! I’ve been using the PO33 to pitch shift and bouncing it back into the 404. Picked up both sample packs and have been making progress! Keep it up!
Also I don’t know if you’ve covered this, but I was curious about using the zoom in your workflow! Like using it vs a usb interface like a Scarlett
Thanks for the support man! Yeah I intend to do a video about the zoom soon as a lot of peeps aren’t even sure what it is!
I had no idea you could access effects 13+ by hitting MFX/DJFX simultaneously, thanks!
Yeah man keep meaning to drop that in. A lot of people seem to think you have to use the dial
@@spvidz ive been messed with the 404 for going on 6 years.. that was something ive just learned today G. broo!!
Same! I don’t know how you could really stretch it into a full video, but you need to figure out a way, because making it it’s own video would definitely help a ton of people out. It would also get it in front of a lot more people rather than dropping it in a random video although everyone should really learn ways to pitch shift if you’re gonna be playing on the 404.
huge tip
This is a good explanation of the effects and what those knobs do for them.
I always like using pitch,serato sample is good too.
I have ran into issues too with my 404.using pitch.
Thanks that is good advice for using the pitch on this machine.
I still have to work on it though.
Thanks man! Glad you found it useful
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Thats cool you skate too and were in spain,.
Im still interested in the 202 it does look good.
thank you I loved the topic about pitch nice video..
Thanks man yeah Barcelona is amazing for skating, had a really good time there! 202 is fun yeah I had mine out for a bit last night, when you change the sample rate it sounds really nice
The SP-404SX is completely similar to the SP-404A.
When I start my SP404A, the display says "SP404 SX"
Awesome Content by the way, very helpful!
Really? Haha that’s crazy. No problem thanks for watching
Great tips! Also, MFX 20 is a Chromatic pitch shift
Nice mate yeah I’ve not had that much joy with it in the past. Will have to have another play!
buy a po-33 KO. load your sample into there. repitch it there. sample it into the 404sx/a . get to choppin'
bonus point: you can also re-pitch with a Roland MS-1 if you dont like the Po-33 or the 202.
Yeah one of the best options seems to be to go external. Will have a try with the 33!
More MS-1 love! Yes.
Beware, PO-33 only samples in mono :O
Great for Drums and Bass, not so much for other type of stuff IMO.
@@theanaesthetist8247 its really fine if you consider the 404sx's polyphony with stereo samples vs mono samples during resample. also the roland MS-1 samples in stereo or mono no problem.
MS-1 can pitch up and down?
Not talking about resampling the bit depth but the actually tone of the sample?
yeah that 202 pitch is the best part of that thing.
Yeah man, I do quite like the different sample modes too, can be fun on drums but yeah the pitch shift is godly!
Ahhhh yes.. I see a pairing with 202 in the future. A match made in heaven.
If you go back a little further in Roland's battery powered samplers to the MS-1.. the pitch on that thing is so killer. I dig it more than the 202 for pitching, plus it's a third of the size of the SP series.
Nice man, I've not read much about that. I've been using the 202 and 404 a lot together recently and really enjoying the results. Gonna be posting some content around it soon
spvidz can't wait to see the future pair up!
The djfx looper technique kinda sounded like madlib(?) bass wobble when it’s not in that sweet spot. Not a sound I usually go for either, but it works in the right context.
Definitely like the djfx pitch shift in the sweet spot thought though, thanks for sharing
Yeah man plenty to mess around with and agree that the DJFX pitch shift is really nice sounding when you get it right. Thanks for watching!
The second knob sets the Feedback of the repitch.
It's basically how many times your sound will go through the repitch once you hit the pad.
All the way to the left; and your sample will be repitched once.
All the way to the right, and you sample will be "echoing" with e repitch at each echo.
An example of the "Looping" Pitch effect :
instagram.com/p/B1jewLHgALJ/
Oh, already explained a minute later... Sorry ! ^^
haha no worries man
u forgot the chromatic PS which is a tuning fx you can tune to a key and sometimes playing around with detunning a C to an F for example you can get some nice pitch bends and chrods type sounds
just a heads up that thats another way or p[itching
Thanks man, I’ll have another played around with it. I've tried it in the past and not got any good results
This is how I do it when I've been tinkering. Balance all the way right, I think, and you can turn both knobs to same relative pitch -> resample.
@@DrDefJake I just played around with this today. I found it annoying you HAVE to use both voices. So even if you set them to the same pitch, you get this weird doubling effect.
Too bad, otherwise this would have been so easy to change pitch accurately :( .
Very helpfull, thanks a lot for all the videos you does. Whats the best solution, use the repitch as here or direcly on the turntable ? Trying this way but very sensitive feel that it would be more easy with a turntable pitch, no ?
Turntable is a much better option yes but these tips allow you to go even further which could be useful!
@@spvidz and again thanks. Your videos on rewind all day, they are clear and well explained. You can't imaginate how it help for a beginner to progress . Cheers from brussels.
Glad to hear that they helped! Plenty more content coming soon too :)
Great vid man. Just uploaded a beat on my insta. Im going to have a mess with the sample pack 2mo
Sounds good man, send me a DM!
Great video dude I'd love to see a tutorial on the slicer function
Nice one bro! Do intend to get through them all eventually! Will add it to the list thanks!
Is the pitch more of a time stretching kind if thing though?
Pretty much, but then you can change the tempo with the 'time' button to take it to whatever bpm you want I think
Hey where did you get the manual from, mines in japanese?
Mines got lots of different languages it came with it in box. You can always just download the PDF from the Roland website
Fdb stands for Feedback if im not mistaken
Yeah man, a bit later in the vid I check in the manual :)
@@spvidz saw that haha, good video man
Thanks man. Good to hear from you!
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Does the pitch actually slow down/speed up the sample when when pitched down/up??
Just repitches I think so shouldn’t slow it down
It does if you use the DJFX Looper, but not MFX 21.
You can use the bpm button to slow down a sample. It sounds... butt ugly on long samples but can work for one shots well sometimes.
Thanks for the additional info guys!
Is the SP404 "A" the original version?
Not sure what you mean by original version man, but the A is the latest SP model, its the newest and basically is a remake of the SP404SX. Very little changed apart from the colours
why would they ever drop the real pitch when upgrading sp 202 to 303?
No idea man. Took them until the MK2 to add a decent one back in 🤦♂️
@@spvidz Roland seems super weird... I've been using MV-1 for over a year now... The thing had a potential of becoming a new icon... It will never do...
What I’m asking..
The MS-1 has a pitch effect? No resampling but actually changes the pitch?
hate the pitch on these things sooo much. i like my pitch to slow down the sample, not use a time stretch then have to pitch too, it sounds so horrible . buut great video
Yeah man it’s poor 202 has a much better one. I tend to use serato sample myself. The repitching and tempo change function is really good
It should be called sp404sd
What am I missing haha? SD because of the SD card...?
spvidz yup ;) great vid btw...IMO yes sp404sx should’ve been marketed as sp404sd now there are 3 versions og sx and a, and some are confused what does what and why but you cleared it up
Yeah I agree the A was an odd move imo. It’s good if it’s your first one but if you already have an sx there’s literally no point getting one. I was expecting a load of new features etc. I think a lot of people were in the community! Thank you for watching as well!
spvidz also I have 2 sp202 glad you like it too...I make beats in my truck and sp202 helps with Tascam 006 portable power
spvidz indeed and agree...I stopped using my asrx mpc60 etc and went back to simpler and fun times with Gemini samples and sp202 which are 31.3 to 33.3hz which is perfect to me and those pitches are perfect
Very peculiar sound when samples are changed in pitch on the 404
yup there is no good pitching function on the 404sx/a - i use my 202 or PO-33!