Ford 4.6L & 5.4L 3v Engines: Sticking VCT Solenoids Explained P0011 P0012
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I recommend flushing your engine with this kit from BG before changing your VCT solenoids- amzn.to/2nsfvBT
I just changed my VCT solenoids...can I still flush with this kit? Will it cause additional problems
FordTechMakuloco what's your take on cam phaser lockouts, on a 4.6, 3 valve do they decrease hp or throw codes
FordTechMakuloco please explain cam phaser lockouts, do or not good or bad I'd really appreciate your opinion on this topic. 4.6 3 valve
I wish you lived by me. I'd pay you to work on my truck. Every shop I go do not fix it or they make worse and charge me way to much.
FordTechMaculoco will bad vct selenoids cause some kind of bogg to your engine I got the 5.4 3v ..put new timing kit new phasers cams lifters too both sides and it's doing that bogging at 1600rpm or 2000rpm once I push on the gas pedal it will act normal I got no engine codes yet
This is definitely something to look into before doing a full timing and phaser job. My truck was making the same sound and symptoms. I took it to a shop and they said cam phasers. "Oh yup! 100% for sure." and quoted me an absurd $4500. I looked into it more on my own and changed the VCT solenoids myself and presto! Solved. I'm not saying everyone will get lucky and have such an easy fix but it is worth looking at first. Be vigilant and get properly diagnosed before shelling out. There are a lot of unskilled shops out there and dishonest ones.
newcoyote I currently have an issue and I was also thinking of changing the VCT solenoids prior to doing a full timing job. I was wondering what signs and symptoms you were having. I’ve got the classic where everything seems fine until warmup, then a miss develops, rough idle, then under load on the highway a miss is present as well. Codes I’m getting are bank 2 P0345 and sometimes P0349 which are all associated with the cam phasers as you know. Hope to hear back from you...
Even if it was the phasers, 4,500 is a number they are pulling out of their asses lol. I could buy four 4.6L engines (I drive a mustang) for that money lmao
Most of em are fucking scumbags str8 thief trash they make me sick
@@DavidJackson-zg5my what did your issue ended up beingp
Was your truck dying when you came to a stop
Thank you for the great explanations as always. Unlike many tubers who just show how to replace parts, you actually help us understand if it needs to be replaced in the first place and how as well. Thank you for all the help. 2008 F250 3v 5.4L owner.
Excellent video and information. We did an oil change to one of these engines the other day. Our customer is really good about maintenance and we always add Rislone engine oil treatment to these engines as a safeguard. Even so he had a problem with one of his valves shortly after the LOF. We dispatched a tech to his home with two valves in hand. He's been fine ever since. Only 116,000 miles on the engine. Thanks for your video.
This is exactly the same sound that my 2006 F150 5.4L is making. I thought i needed a new engine! Thank you so much for the video! You are a blessing.
I'm not car savvy but with great vids like this you get to understand why you get a check engine light and a P0011 code
Your videos are very good! I Disassembled my solenoids and wet sanded the plungers with emery cloth, stretch the spring out so it would be stronger, oiled them and reassembled and runs great now, thank you!!!!
Interesting, how's that holding up?
You are one of the Most helpful souls on earth I think u just fixed my 3 days of stress I don’t know yet haven’t tried this but I also have another vehicle reply and ile give you the details
My 06 mustang gt has been doing that loud knocking noise after driving for 10-15 minunte!! And all of the mechanics kept saying my timing was good! Wow im happy as ever i seen this !
Yes especially when it's hot cam phasers will make more noise hot, a lot of people don't know about these what the cam phasers and the solenoids that controlling
I just change both of my 2009 Expeditions 5.4L VCT solenoids, per your recommendation I installed Ford VCT's. Getting the valve covers off was really a hassle because of all the hoses and electrical in the way. I took the Expedition for a drive after the new installations and it had excellent engine throttle response / power and acceleration. I had to redo the passengers side valve cover gasket, it leaked but now everything is good.
Only symptom i have is after battery reconnnect and relearn process. Coming to a stop it down shifts hard and sometimes wants to die.
I purchassd vct valve bc i too have a valve cover gasket leak on pass side lol.
So if i replace 1 might aswell do both. And while im in there. Change the vct.
Thank you. This video confirmed that my engine does this because it sounds just like this.
In this video you mentioned a method for testing alternators. Do you have a video on this.
Vehicle in question is a 2005 f150 4.6l
what's curious to me is that at the point where the VCT gets stuck advanced at 5:37, the sensors are sending VCTADV around 0 and VCTADVERR also around 0. Just prior to that you can see the VCTADVERR walking left and hits the O (out of limit) and then returns to zero. I would have thought the out of limit circle would have remained blue on VCTADVERR. Thanks for all your contributions my man we appreciate you
2007 ford expedition leaking oil from both solenoids do i need to remove the cover in order to replace solenoid or can i replace seal and solenoid without removing cover?
Excellent explanation of the operation of the solenoid Brian. How much is the IDS scan tool?
How do you tell the difference between a vehicle that has a bad VCT solenoid compared to one that needs new phasers or timing chain? Do they present in the same way, with different trouble codes?
Hi excellent videos very intuitive. Do you mine telling what diagnostic software you're using in this video. Thanks and keep on keepin on....
I replaced one a few years ago and the orifice on the retaining washer was smaller than the one it replaced. Both parts new and old were OEM. The engine was an 04. I replaced the retaking washer on the old VCT with one that was the same size as the new. Didn't seem to affect anything but wondering why the size of the orifice was different on the new one. Any ideas?
Love the channel I have a 05 f150 5.4. Ran beautiful had 200k miles. Just changes my oil from a 5/30 -5/20 for winter in Canada. Truck will hardly run the next day. Misfires.
P0010 P0012 P0020
P0174
P0351-P0358
P2196
Plugs and coils I have changed 40k miles
All plugs are clean. VCT? Cam sensor?
Would the VCT solenoids create a multi misfire on 2 3 and 4 Bank 1 or were the cam phasers to that
'98 F150 5.4 Aluminum intake manifold. I just changed heater core. Then the piece that the coolant temp sensor screws into (behind the alternator) and it screws into front intake manifold crossover, because the 1/4 tube that a coolant hose goes on was rusted and leaking. No more leaks, but Now the engine is shaking and no response on acceleration. Starts right up and no problem at stop light. Ran like a champ before I worked on it. Any advice? Also have a p0001 code
I did the chains two times with the same code p0022 i also replace the soleniods but i got them from the autoparts
Hey man I just realized the other day that there is all kinds of info on instrumental cluster digital rpm,coolant temp,digital speedo,dtc codes etc. I have an 05 f150 can you do a video explaining what the 30 or so different things are and what everything means
hello! what is the vct solenoid frequency for a 4.6 3v from mustang gt 2005-2009? Engine runs on standalone ecu, I'm trying to run the vct system
Hey bud like your channel great stuff do the 2004 5.4 f150 have a pcv I'm having trouble finding mine
Hey,,great details never considered in my case.
Have you ever had one not run very well after it warms up? I have replaced everything plus the Mel high flow oil pump. I have a scan with HP Tuners from a cold start. When it hits 152° coolant temp, the timing goes crazy. Then stft’s go nuts also.
Great video helped me solve my issue
I just replaced all the spark plugs and the truck is running much better than when I bought it with 250,000kms (155,000 miles) on it. I don't have any codes but in Park, Neutral, and while stopped in Drive, the truck idles rough! Anything like this you've experienced? And would replacing the VCT solenoid help?
I have a Ford F-150 2006. I be changed the cam sensors and VCT solenoid last year it went smooth for about 2 months. The past it it’s been running rough and dragging when accelerating hard to get too speed. I removed the valve covered and timing cover. One of the guides and tensioner were broke. I changed the timing chain and guides the same way as in you videos but it runs but dies when I slow down. My truck has 202,000km on it.
Did you fix it?
are the F-150 5.4 3v vct solenoids different from a F-250 5.4l 3v super duty and if so what would happend if u do get them mistaken?
Hi FTM. I hope you are well. First of all, I would like to congratulate you for this work. It's helps me a lot. Keep this work! Thanks to you I could change the spark plugs and vct solenoids of my 2010 Ford Edge with no issues. Thank you very much. Do you have any contact (email) that I can use for any questions/help? Take care! Cheers
After I poured some thick engine treatment into my Edge, I guess it got into the valve and kept it from functioning properly because the engine light came on and it was shaking bad. After I drove it a while it straightened itself out and it runs great now.......no issues.
The link for the ford vct solenoid says it's for 5.4 but will they work for the 4.6 3valve for 05 mustang gt?
Great content. Thank you! Is it work removing everything else to access and service the housing while I’ve got the valve cover off, or is that unlikely to contribute to the problem?
Hey Brian, thanks for all the videos! Upon pulling the VCT solenoid on my driver side I had pieces of screen missing. Largest hole was about 1/4" in diameter. Where would it have gone so I can remove it from plugging anything?
Thanks for all the great videos. I went through and did the complete timing on my 04 fx4. Unfortunately I still have an issue with some sticking valves. Do you have any cheap or easy ideas for that before I tear it all apart again?
Did you put out the rocker arms on passenger side?
Do these solenoids act up when the vehicle is running at its regular temperature?
I have a 1999 F150 with the 4.6 L Triton in it does that have the solenoids in it
what do you think on 2007 f150 5.4 . was running good and after replacing the vct on driver side I see those codes and engine shake and make noise like a popcorn w rev , and smell Very bad , what do you think , I might forget do something? (no codes)
Great video; always learn alot from them. My '05 5.4 Expedition is having all of the same issues as the vehicle in this video. The knocking and stalling starts after driving the truck for a few minutes. I hooked up my TOPDON Diagnosis Scanner and it is pulling a P0345 "Camshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Bank 2" error. Would replacing my VCT Solenoids fix my problem.
I've had the ame thing I replaced both of the sensors snd I'm working on doing the vct if not that it's gotta be the tensioner
Have you ever seen the vct solenoid housing gasket go bad and leak oil should I change it out?
Do you have a video where you have to remove valve cover on passenger side? I have to disconnect AC line as well and I'm no mechanic. I only see the easy replace or removed engine vids.
I have a question for you I have a 2007 gt mustang and I have modded it a little and I’ve changed the timing chains and cam phasers and cams are bigger but not to big after several months it started to idle up and down when you stop at a light then it started rattling so I thought it was the cheaper cam phasers an so I put the lockouts in them and got a tune for it but it still knocks and sounds like a diseal engine , what can it be the vct solenoids? I replaced them when I did the timing chains and cams but they were aftermarket and it does need an oil change. I could use your help please! Thanks in advance
HI, i have a 5.4 engine with the code p0012, would this code be able to let the computer turn off the spark to one cylinder. i have been told the computer could save he engine by turning off , cylinder deactivation, to save the engine. than you jim
I am at 280k miles on my 2004 f150 5.4 3v. I want to replace all of the timing components as well as oil pump. But I’d like to start with the VCT for the next 10k miles before I tear the front of the motor down. Mine has a shake at idle. Dies at idle sometimes and dash light shows low oil pressure. Cranks back fine. Has a low idle. Slight miss on hills intermittently(might be the eBay coil packs). I see the amazon link for VCT in description. It’s the correct one for mine? Or are they all the same? I also wants the updated rubber gasket/plug that it uses in the valve cover. Looking to purchase VCTs tonight. Both sides. Link is for 1? Thanks!
another question: with the vct disconnected, what is generating the force to move the valve inside the solenoid against the spring? Normally it is the electromagnetic force from the solenoid that will push it down against the spring, but how is it moving down against the spring on its own? I could see if the spring was completely broken or missing that it could fall down by gravity. Is there oil flow within the vct valve body that moves it?
I have an 09 kia borrego. The solenoid electrical connector is puddled in oil. Dont know how it got there. Should this be concerning?
Can you please do 02 sensor replace on 2007 explorer ?
I'm stumped. Got in my 06 expedition 5.4 started it up and it would barely idle. Pinged, backfired and knocked under load. Scanner showed bank 1 timing way advanced at idle. Unplugged bank1 vct no change. Replaced VCT and truck now runs and timing is normal but rough idle with no power. Getting 8mpg and the only code that comes up is p0171. Bank 1 lean. Changed intake manifold, bank1 injectors, plugs, coils, still no change. Cats check out fine. The darn thing was running perfect prior. I cant figure it out. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
I do learn slot from your videos but I have a problem with my 2011 navigator 5.4 when hot and when I put in reverse the engine start shaking I have to put it in park or neutral and step on the gas to clear it. I took it to the mechanic and changed the crankshaft position position sensor driver side. That didn’t help I change the oil and filter and still have same problem can you advise
I got a problem when i floor it once i get near shifting rpm it wont shift for like a few seconds should i flush the trans fluid ?
FordTechMakuloco, I have a 2004 F150 new body style 5.4 3v, the VCT solenoids you reference says its not compatible with my vehicle. These appear to be the same only the updated version (8L3Z-6M280-B), will these fit my specific year or am I missing something and need 8L3Z-6M280-A?
First of all thank you for your videos they have helped out so much! I recently had all the timing replaced on my 5.4. I have drove it around forty miles since it was replaced and today I got a p0022 bank 2 code. Where do I go from here? Oil pump, cam position sensor or something else?
I did the same on a 4.6 and the same codes came back, P0010 and P0020, truck seems to runs okay, just has been worse on gas mileage. I have no clue what else to do now?! I need a solution!
@@AB67 i junked mine
Dang i think thats what's going on with my 4.6 explorer..Will just replacing the solenoids fix the problem?
Thanks for another awesome video!!!!
07 f150 p0022 n 22 replaced both vct solenoids disconnected them still rattles when up to operating temperature
I have a 2004 F150 with the 3V and when I follow you link to amazon, they say it will not fit my truck. i can't seem to find the OEM parts online for the 2004
I have a 2007 f-150 with the 5.4 3v the truck runs good and has plenty of power when cold as soon as it hits operating temperature it gets very sluggish and it is hard to keep a consistent speed without down shifting it is throwing a code saying that the timing is over advanced on both cams any idea what could cause that?
good video. I don't understand how the software is allowing you to see the data of both solenoids with them unplugged. Is the camshaft sensor data what we are actually looking at for the timing values? Thanks
+Ozzstar yes
Complete Cloyes kit installed plus both cam p-sensors & vvt's: also pulled pan & cleaned out, including tube, changed oil w/Penn 5w20w full syn & filter. Does fine thru test drive until it reaches operating temp, then lacks power & stumbles/rough idle if @ all Codes PO012 & PO022. Any help appreciated. THX
Heloo there did you find out the issue
I have a 2009 f150 with the 5.4. Had some issues leading me to believe it's bad vct. Took the one from bank two and found metal shavings. Does this mean my engine is shot?
I have a 2015 Ford Explorer Limited. I needed to replace the Variable Valve Timing Solenoid (VVT). The Solenoid was "stuck" in the housing. I was eventually able to remove the solenoid. However, in doing so, i broke off the flange ear on the VVT housing. This is where the bolt goes in that holds the solenoid in place. I need to purchase a new/used VVT housing bracket. Its a separate piece above the timing chain. Do you know what you call this VVT housing bracket or mount? I cannot find the proper name for the housing and need this to complete the job. Really appreciate any assistance here.
Thanks alot I needed this video
Please help my truck 2006 5.4l 3v have this code P0012 it started today engine light flashing when I bought it oil was coming out of the dipstick. That was 2 weeks ago I got the Vct selenoids replaced and that fixed the problem with the oil coming out of the dipstick.
But now the engine light is flashing with code p0012 no clicking sound.. it drives good it only does it from time to time it vibrates at times during the day. And it also showing code p0430 Cat I was told it might need the timing chain replace. But I don’t heard no ticking noise. Truck shows 55,000 miles. With carfax history. I’m hoping they are original miles.
Does the 1998 cobra have a vct been searching around and there’s rarely any info on the sn95 cobras
I've got code p0012 on a 2010 5.4 l 3 valve do you think it's something to do with the solenoids?
Is it possible the new oem can be faulty? Cause I change mine when in a month and just started keeping tuck open but only when it’s hot and it’s happens once a while
My truck starts and idles fine but after it warms up the worse it sounds and drives. Sounds similar to the noise here, is it a good possibility this is my issue? 200k miles 04 f150 5.4, can I clean these just to get a idea if they are sticking? I don’t have a scanner unit.
Can someone give me some insight on this issue. I have a 2006 expo 5.4 3v. I got a code for p0012 and p0420. At first didn't feel much difference except for one time it felt shaky like it wanted to jump. I changed the both vct with ford parts. Surprising the bank 2 had a torn scene stuck in the port but never got a code for it. I changed oil and the truck drove great. Code p0420 went away but p0012 keeps coming up pending disappears then comes back. Truck makes no sounds from phasers. It sounds good idles at 750 with no problems. Although I feel like if I floor it it has a second of hesitation. Any thoughts?
I have a ford f 150 2004 the engine light came on the code shows P0012 wich is the camshaft solenoid. But also Mecanics saying that it could be the camshaft
Ford should give a free 5.0l engine to everybody that owns 3V junk. And install for free. Them Tritons are nuff to make you loco.
Amen!!! I have an 09 f150 and it runs great but I’ve had to do some work to it
I've got a 2010 F-150 with the 4.6 3v and it's got over 220,000 miles and just started having this issue. I've heard of worse problems with the 5.0 at less miles.
In my Navigator 06 I have Code P0012. Engine shake at all of revolutions. My mechanic check compression and oil pressure, both in norm. Ignition coil and spark plugs are new, vct solenoids too. Coul'd it be jumping timing chain? I dont have any missfire or something like that only one code on PCM. Any sugestion? Car have 114k miles. Check on carfax looks like original. I both it 3 month ago at auto auction, previos owner change all parts i sad beffore and get no results so i thing he sold it. Pleas help me with some ideas, im from Poland so hear is not so popular car and mechanic doesnt know enything about this engine.
Is there a way I could email you about some problems I’m having on my 3vakve 5.4
Thank you Brian!!
You got all the intel on these 4.6 5.4 engines 👏🏼... I got 269k on my platinum and starting to have some issues and a couple "mechanics" just want to start throwing 20 different parts at it. I have a huge loss of power, mpg dropped, slight ticking (maybe tick has always been there just notice more now), No codes, smooth start and idle, any ideas? Oil replaced about 3 months ago 10w-30 synthetic I believe, any help would be much appreciated
Alfred Ferrill did you ever get those problems taken care of? And if so what was the solution??
I unplug my solenoids and you just heavy wire from the battery post to their solenoid and shocked it even sending power the wrong way the song it's just click click the solenoid immediately started running smooth mine happens to be the driver side, I couldn't believe it cost me a dollar and I was about to do a timing😅 and it still running great and that was 6 months ago these 3-valve 5.4 Triton have to change the oil nv4500 miles at most with good oil
can i use 10w40 in my 1999 ford f250 with the 5.4 triton engine
Man....I have a F-150 for you to try and diagnose! Are you for hire?? This one runs great but is giving me some codes i cant seem to figure out! This one will test your knowledge I think!
Can the solenoids be sonic cleaned and used over again?
Hey teck mine randomly turns off if you dont put gas so on stop sigh i have to put the brake and a little gas so it wont turn off
I have an 05 F-150 with 5.4 triton. I'm showing error codes P0349, P0345, & P0022. My truck has been having a rough idle so I after I researched I noticed VCT solenoid. I disconnected the solenoid it ran fine. I ordered a new VCT solenoid replaced it and now it back to the rough idle after slowing down. Is there a secondary VCT or could it be the sensor?
I have bank 2 over advanced. Replaced everything. Oem parts.. except oil pump. Updated Ford phasers. My engine has small vct sensor covers. :( Replaced just one.
Hey can you tell me what scanner are you used ????
First, Thank you for some amazingly informative videos. They have saved my butt more than a few times.
But now I have a new problem that I haven't found a specific video for, unless I'm missing it. I changed my vct solenoids a year ago with oem parts, as well as cps at the same time. Truck ran fantastic up until this week. It idles rough, runs fine (although it seems underpowered), and then starts running rough again when it shifts into overdrive and runs about 12-1700 rpm. I'm getting a p0172 and p0012 codes. Is it time for phasers or could somethin else be causing these problems?
Thank you again for saving me time and money.
Stephen
Check oil pressure first if it is low you can have erratic vct operation and these codes.
When my truck is idle, bank 2 is right at 13degrees. should it be at 0 when idle? Bank 1 is at 0 on idle
Thankyou so much keep up the good work
i have a 2007 f150 5.4L approx. 170k miles and i have to do the solenoids for sure. i don't have allot of expendable income, but would also like to do the job correctly the first time. Would you recommend that i just go ahead and do the cam phasers at the same time or not mess with what (i don't think) is broke (yet)
help me I have mazda cx7 year 2008 the engine was rectified and now the p0012 is not removed
Great info thanks
What year were the vct solenoids updated.
My neighbor just told me this was my problem. I bought 2 new ones and DAM IT runs again 😁
Can this cause a rough idle with NO code but when driving everything seems fine?
I put new solenoids in and now 4months later I’m getting this problem. I had it before where it would stall out. New vct seemed to stop that. Of course I did cam phaser. Chains and guides. Is it possible to have one go bad after 4 months. I put a less expensive one in
I did the same thing on my 2004, new cam phasers, timing chains, oil pump. After about 8 months it seemed to go back to the original running problem. Several months of repeated solenoid failure engine codes after installing 2 new ones. finally switched to 10-30 oil and the problems went away. the car runs great now. 127k miles. It was always my guess that my oil pressure was lowering as the car got to run temp. Thats when the problems would always start after several minutes of running and getting to temp.
I replaced one and it runs good now. (Drivers side) should I replaced the passenger side vct now? or no..
When bench testing my original Ford VCT's and new Amazon VCT's neither open very far. I'm applying 12v. You can hear the solenoid actuate, but it just barely moves. In the opening, how far should I see the valve move?
great video.... a ford owner (3v 5.4) and I watch as many videos as possible. thanks for all the hard work in producing the videos. Is possible for these to go bad w/o the pcm throwing a code?
+Jim Macris the timing is constantly being watch so if it sticks for a period of time and the it is outside the tolerances then it will set a light after two consecutive key cycle failures.
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There are so many VCT solenoids on the market. Can I use aftermarket brand VCT valves like melling or gates and will it be ok? I know the Ford Parts are the best but I can get the aftermarket mentioned locally and half the price.
Don’t do that
I put two brand new vvt solenoids in and new oil and oil filter nd now my truck runs way worse violently shakes and you try to drive it and it bogs down has a metalic rattle at 40 to 45 it bucks and surges any ideas
My f150 08 5.4L has a rough idle and low rpm. When I’m in reverse or going forward to parallel park it shakes and rattles and sounds like it’s going to stall. It sounds just like the issue in this video
I love ALL your videos, and used timing one to change mine. Have you done one on removing a broken VCT? I was changing mine and usually don't have a problem, but this time it came out without the bottom part. Any help would be appreciated.
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