Ford 5.4L 3v Triton Engines: Always Check This First Before Performing a Timing Job on this Engine!
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- In this video we show you the very first item you want to check before performing a timing job on the Ford 5.4L 3v Triton Engines.
This is how it looks inside the engine when the thrust washer fails-
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This is how it looks inside the engine when the thrust washer fails-
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Ok, thanks for the link. Trust an arrogant engineer to think that they have a soooo much better idea than something that has worked flawlessly for decades. Good plan - replace a robust thrust bearing on #3 main cap with a small two piece washer! Hard to comprehend the stupidity.
I got a 5.4 3v that doesn’t like to keep a idle at times, there is a pcm code p0605 that workshop says replace pcm with no description. I’m not do you know if this code would be the source of my iss😊ue
Runs good most of the times but once it shuts off once it’s repeated until I let it sit for a while dealership says this is the only lead for my issue
I have 3v billet oil pump gears and I wanted to know if they would fit in a 4v oil pump. If not would a 3v oil pump work with a 04 mustang GT 2v?
so whats the cure ? engine rebuild ???
If I had to drive a Ford (or any vehicle) into combat, I'd want Brian working on the vehicle. Guy does the right thing 100% of the time. You're an asset, Sir. Glad to see your son learning at your side.
THE QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU DRIVE ONE? FORD IS JUNK?
Girthy 10 incher, that is your opinion. Ford has served me very well.
@@harleyjackson5513 The truth hurts
Doesntt hurt me, my Fords have all given great service.
@@harleyjackson5513 The truth does hurt
The blue truck is 2007; It belongs to me!
Thanks for the good work on the timing before and the current work!
Brian does GREAT work; very meticulous and detail oriented... HIGHLY recommend to anyone needing Ford work done!
If you own a Ford, you’ll need work done, that’s for sure.
@@Dawgator like gm trash doesn't have any issues 🤦🏻♂️
@@sinisterx9029 Current topic is Ford 5.4L Triton trash. See if you can follow.
Where is Brian's shop located
Cool!
as a tech for 37 years i dont get impressed by other techs often, especially ones on youtube but i have say this guy knows his shitz! hats off to you. not many techs left in the world just a crap load of part changers!
Parts cannoneers.
We have a 2007 Expedition. Didn't like to hear that it's "The one you want to avoid at all costs." I followed your videos 5 1/2 years ago and replaced timing components, VTCs, oil pump, etc. and it's been running well ever since. You saved us thousands. Thanks!
I have a 2007 as well, did my manifolds and timing chains 7 years ago. I never knew to look at the crank play back then, been running 5w30 synthetic ever since and has been fine
I felt the same way a couple months ago when he said you definitely want to stay away from 2018-20 5.0L due to cylinder bore issues. I had previously recommended my father in law get a 2020 F150 with a 5.0L. I had always heard the 5.0’s were bulletproof.
Imagine how you feel if you get a video notification and you are all excited to watch and then realize you have an 07 version. The sweet spot.
I've been so lucky with my 07 expedition. 300k miles..just replaced the VCTs as they were toast. Getting the parts together for a full timing job this winter..as it has started to rattle for a second during some start ups. I'll check for this to make sure. I do change my oil every 3000 miles and have been using 5w 30 and a quart of lucus oil with every oil change for years. I really do love these trucks. My only gripe with the 5.4 on the expedition is the lack of room to work with 🤣😅 other than that I've been using it for years to tow my RV all over the country. It's been the most reliable truck I've ever owned. Has never left me stranded.
I would never have thought to check thrust bearing, thanks for sharing
Its the explanation Brian does with his videos that make all the difference, not just that the thrust washers are toast but that the crankshaft walks back and forth which causes a loss in oil pressure. Most tech would leave it at the trust washers are bad.
Wow, the belt on the tensioner is almost even more obvious with it right on the edge of the pulley. Thanks this was perfect, I have yet to see a bad one personally.
Yes it is another indicator but not as trustworthy. Aftermarket tensioners can also track to the edge like this even with a perfectly fine thrust washer.
@FordTechMakuloco oh good to know I'll make sure not to ust go off of that, thanks again I love the videos!
This man has made a living making lemonade from lemons, he is a good mentor for any young mechanic and he doesn't mind sharing knowledge he has learned from many years of working on these engines. His explanations on examples of particular types of engine noise and what they mean is pure gold and he just shows it to us for free. That's how great he is.
I love your comment and I will say that he can work a few more years before retiring and will not run out of work on these engine's!! I hope to keep my 2009 5.4 130,000 running for a long time I'm watching for tell tale signs of failure due to watching these videos. If I lived closer I'd take my truck to him just for his option and pay for it!!
you once again lead the pack in diagnosis and looking out for your customers. Most shops would not be thinking of this.
You are definitely one of the best, most knowledgeable technicians I've ever seen. You have very lucky customers!
Lucky son lucky dad, this country needs more Father and son relationships.
I have down a few engines for this very reason. You were actually the one I learned to check it from. Thanks for the refresher course.👍👍
Fantastic lesson on how to check for crank end play! This video is great!
That's how it's done boys. The most important said to the point. Love watching, learning a lot those tiny details.
That is by far the most end play I've ever seen. Thanks for the tip.
I assume the young guy is your son,he got lucky cause he got the best teacher to learn all the tricks he will need to fix any mechanical issue!thanks makuloco for being teaching us all this time!
Thank you, it is always educational to view your videos. Keep posting, we need them.
Knowledge. I come here for knowledge and Makuloco delivers. He’s like my Expeditions best friend, from far away.
I know that I was blessed to have my 06 Expedition go 248000 without even a timing job when I brought it up to you for the engine swap. I know alot of it was from using good quality oil and regular intervals.
i own a 06 , 5.4 3v f150, so i enjoy watching brian's videos and getting the hell scared out of me, ive noticed his t-shirts and finally googled BSG auto to see what he was about, and being a 24 year retired vet from TNARNG i even appreciate him more for his service to our country... :) thank you for your service brother... :)
Very good info Ford Tech - You are so kind to share this with us. God Bless You and Your Work.
Excellent camera shots that pinpoint the small gap between the crankshaft and timing cover. Those Eddie Bauer colors look great. Thank you!
The Absolute Best Ford Mechanic Channel.
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That was bananas! Seeing you move the crank back and forth was crazy.
had same problem 08 197000 miles pulled pan and saw the 1 half of the thrust bearing in the pan ,pulled engine put a reman crank and bearings in . the cylinders still had cross hatch visible measured tapper and it was mint put in new rings ,new timing etc. runs like a top has 6000 miles on it no smoke no problems , all thanks to brians videos it helped me out alot
Thanks for the video. I was all ready to spend money on a timing job and then i found this video. Checked my 05 and sure enough, about ¼in end play in crankshaft. Now I'm getting ready to drop a new engine in. Thanks again, Brian.
I was a foreign car mechanic for 20 years and the operation you are describing is the very first thing I always did when I got an old style VW beetle into my shop and that was to check for and play in the crankshaft because if there was excessive play in the crank shaft all other operations would be futile and it would only be a matter of time before the engine self-destructed. any money or procedures that you performed on this type of engine would be like playing a one armed bandit at a casino .
seen this before on the old trailblazers ...never on a ford but will def be looking for this problem for now on thanks !!!!!
Great video, you leave no doubt to someone who may not know exactly what you’re talking about immediately, by showing two or three times and pointing with a prybar easy to follow you can see everything very clearly. Thanks
Another great informative video, thanks for taking us along!
My brother had an AMC 360 in a Jeep with over 1/2" of end play, and you could see daylight through the top of the main bearings. I could literally pick the crankshaft up while it was still in the block and bolted down.
That end play Brian is seeing is pretty significant too. Keep up the good work Brian as I always appreciate your top notch videos.
When that crankshaft moved as you pried down below I jumped in my chair. Spooky. It's NOT supposed to do that. Whew. But it's great for someone to tell the truth. Bless you Brian - you are teaching your son well. Ethics. Values. Doing the right thing. Open communications. Thinking and analysis not random wandering. Great work at fair prices. The customer comes first. Etc. Etc.
Great video! The other tell-tale is the serpentine belt almost rolling over the front edge of the tensioner pulley because the crank/dampner is too far forward.
I noticed that as well...
Yep it is I noticed that right away myself, but that alone may not mean anything if the pulley bearing is worn. Of course inspection of the pulley would verify it.
Thank you, you just saved me a lot of work and time on my 2008 f150 with 165,000 miles.
Can't say I ever seen that much end play on a running engine! Just thinking of all the related parts, rods, wrist pins and pistons doing that dance.
Good to see the next generation of tech next to his "oldman"! He has the best example of GOOD hard work and reputation!
Thanks Brian 😎✌🤟
My 04 F150 had a 06 Expedition 5.4 swapped in at 205,000 miles. No excessive end play at 160,000 miles. It got the Melling high volume and high pressure oil pump, new Ford chains and cast tensioners using Rotella gas truck oil. Runs like a champ but after watching your other video I realized the Expedition injectors are still in it! Need to swap them out. If you didn't make the video I never would have known since its not throwing a lean code. Thanks for the videos!
Great information thanks for all you guys do.
Thanks for the video Brian great info on this. Take care of yourself and family ❤️❤️👍✅
I've got a 04 ford f150 4.6 liter and so far it's been a good one so far..I know one thing you are the best mechanic I always seek out your channel when I have a problem with my truck thank you so much buddy
My understanding is that the 4.6, whether the 2v or the 3v, is not as prone to the typical Triton issues as the 5.4. Also, if I remember correctly, 2004 F-150's still had the 4.6 2v. My grandmother's 2007 Mercury Mountaineer has the 4.6 3v, and it's been a very reliable car, with no major issues with the engine, granted, my grandmother has been pretty good about having preventative maintenance done to the car.
Thanks Brian, I'm going to go check mine now.
I've got a 2007 F-150 5.4 and it is just now rolling 200,000 miles. 5W-20 all of its life and still no timing job. Love that truck.
Mine is a 2006 and I have 248,500 on it. Motorcraft 5w-20 every 5000 miles since I bought it at 50,000 miles. Still running like a champ!
I’ve got a 2010 5.4l with 174k. Got the cam phasers replaced at 140k. Thinking about selling 😬😬😬😬
@@folms110 Mine is at almost 250K and is all factory. I’ve always done my oil changes on time and used Motorcraft 5W-20 every time.
Another thing to check on my 2010 5.4 3v. Thanks for the heads up.
I'm so glad my 2008 came with a 4.6L 2V. Totally by accident. The lot was full of 5.4 3V's but I wanted 4WD supercab with a towing package. Someone nearby had this one so I lucked out. Who knew back in 2008?
Man, I wish you guys had a shop inf Loria because you guys are amazing
I always look forward to your videos, Thanks
Thanks for the informative videos i really appreciate it . I just went to help a friend put her serpentine belt back on. It flew off going down the road in the rain. I figured maybe it was a streached out old belt. So we put a new one on. Theis was a 4 cylinder in a Dodge Avenger. It came off again a few days later. So when i put it back on in a garage I could see that the belt was riding a full rib out on the tensioner just like the one in your video. If you notice the alignment is off on the next pully after the crank. I bet he engine might have thrust bearing issues. I would have never thought of that. Her tensioner felt good so i didn't think it was going bad.
WOW! That’s a lot end play! Thanks for the video!
Thanx! Your videos are excellent, informative and very experiential! As if I am actually there discovering the issues for myself. God bless. This video will definitely save me headaches in the future!
Always enjoy when your videos come out. Wish we could see some more often.
I put out 3 videos in the last 7 days, any more and it would be overload I think.
@@FordTechMakuloco Oh I can imagine, must take time for these. It's just great when you put something new, always informative. I wish I lived closer to your shop. My 2013 King Ranch Expedition would like it also needing work these days lol.
FordTechMakulocoJr is FTM spitting image!
The evil 5.4 never fails to disappoint.
Awesome info as always!
Great information! Thank you!!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to present it. Of course it may not hurt to first check the harmonic balancer bolt, make sure it's tight (probably would be, but was my first thought that came to mind as I watched the video). I might also recommend pulling the torque converter bolt access cover and confirming the observed movement back-there on the flywheel with a dial indicator as you're prying forward/backward from the harmonic balancer on the front-end.
The first set of main / rod bearings I did in-frame was on a Pinto way back in the day (1990). Do you know if the oil pan can come off on these 5.4L trucks in-frame? I might be buying one of these trucks which I think needs the chain and guide work all done (probably rockers too), hoping it didn't drop a valve (it's a no-start he said). I will also check the end-play now after seeing a couple of your videos on this.
I know all about end play from doing lots of engine rebuilds over the years, but as one might think, it is not typically considered a 'usual suspect' for a general mechanic to think it should be that far out-of-spec on most cars hehe...
Anyways, good find, keep it up!
awesome video , seeing that movement , easy to spot a troubled crank
Damn that's handy to know. I've been split on what to do with my expedition, having a simple test that can save a lot of future heartache is priceless.
good demo, thanks.
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I thank you for all of your videos! I own a (2009 F-150 130,000 miles) It's not sounding like anything is wrong but I am thinking of doing the oil pump timing and rollers.. It is still in nice condition body wise and I would like to keep it for several years. I love every video you have posted! I know this isn't the video I watched earlier but such great info about the thrust washer!!
Good info, thanks Brian.
I LOVE this channel...Thank you Brian! We need more HONEST mechanics that actually do the repairs right and don't pad the bill with stuff that doesn't need fixed.
I had an 07 5.4 3v it was a great engine! Had 160,000 miles on it when I sold it. Never had any major issues. But I always changed oil on it
My 05 has 275000 on it! Drive it every day! Had the phasers locked out on it time I bought it. Drive it every day, tow my camper, car trailer occasionally. Use full synthetic and change the oil and filter @5000 miles! Uses 1 quart between changes. See a dozen of them every time I go to town.
@@markmccarty9793What kind of gas mileage do you get with normal in town driving on that with the locked out phasers?
Great information and the crankshaft end play is probably one check that gets missed. That said what is some of the causes of excessive end play wear.
“Avoid the ‘07’s”….lol, now he tells me( owned an 07 Expy since 2016)Followed your vids on changing timing set 3 yrs and 40k miles ago, still running great( 215k mi now). Thanks again Brian!
You give the best knowledge and know how I’m wondering what you know about the 6.2L F150s
Always entertaining while on lunch break
A great explanation of something I would not have thought to check! Thank you for sharing your years of experience with us. This sure makes me appreciate the old-school 4.6 in my '98 Mercury Grand Marquis. No phasers, just 2 valves per cylinder... a basic text-book V-8. Except for the lack of sparkplug threads in this era, if you stay up on the maintenance, this motor is pretty darn bulletproof. Just past 150K and it still runs like a watch.
Buddy of mine is a machinist, and he told me the 4.6 liter spark plug threads, or lack thereof, have put his children through college. The Ford 302/351 was an excellent engine. They haven't built a good one since, imho.
True, great engines. Still plenty of them in operation all over the place.
@@Holler_Rat I agree. I regret recently scrapping my 93 f150 with a 302, but I had to. The cab just rotted right out, shock and leaf mounts rusted, electrical problems, ect ect. Im still sad about it.
@@Holler_Rat True that. Miss my 302. And my inline 300.
@@Holler_Rat What do you mean put you through college? I've installed dozens of inserts into these heads. No need to pull them etc. Charged perhaps 1 extra hour over sparkplug change to install an insert. How much was he charging?
I have an 08 5.4L 3V F150 with 158k miles. The truck/engine runs smoothly and has no noise or other issues at this time. However, I feel I have a ticking time bomb on my hands. I've watched several of your videos on the issues with this type of motor and the repair procedures. I am going to start gathering up the tools and parts to do a full timing, oil pump, roller rocker overhaul and other related replacements while I am in there. Your tutorials have been invaluable. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all of us.
Just put the aluminum blocks in the phazers and do the delete and you wont have to worry about it!
@@noobjitsu1743 Can you clarify? I am not sure what you mean.
@@emagee7864 You can do something called locking out the phazers which u can do by putting blocks in the slots thatthe phazers move and then delete the phazers out of the ECU so there is no VCT system
Great explanation thank you
Great video Brian😎
I'll give kudos to this tech who has the guts to rebuild these engines. Most techs I know got stung on some of these jobs because the motor was trashed. By the time I saw them they would go into a low idle rpm mode and they sounded like a diesel because the oil pressure was too low and the cams became out of timing (at least on one side) and barely running at idle. Motor was trashed at that point. Always best to verify oil pressure but on a 4x4 that was a pain to do and the motor needed to be fully warmed up too.
great content Brian, Thank You... :)
Thanks for your help.
Thanks bro I just learned something new
You're awesome man keep it up!
Thanks for the info
I came here because I was looking at a 2007 F150 on Craig's List:
" 07' with 122k miles. 4X4... V8 5.4Liter... runs great. I listed the truck way below blue book value [$6,500] due to it needing a timing chain. I am selling it AS IS at that price. If I end up fixing it, the price will raise up to accommodate the work. Either way, it's a steal. "
0:40 "07-- the Sweet Spot you want to avoid at all costs! (It's a steal, indeed!)
The idler pulley near the crank pulley, the BELT is at or past the edge of it... and all the oil on the bottom below the crank.. and Wow, in all the motion in the crank from wear in the bearings
Thanks as always brother for sharing your extensive knowledge , you virtually held my hand on my 06 5.4 3v 3years ago when I did a timing job and I squeaked another 40.000 miles out of it before it died @ 260k by that time I was in a position to buy another Ford 2012
I've had good luck with my '04 F-150 5.4 3 valve. I have almost 300,000 miles on mine. I've never touched anything inside. Oil changes pay dividends. Oil changes are cheaper than a new engine!
Great video, I never knew this!
So glad I traded my 04 5.4 I had the same end play 👍
Great video! I have a 2005 F-150 5.4L with 256,000 miles so I watch a lot of your videos over the years but I have been lucky that I have not had to do motor work of any kind at this point.
Quick question. Do the 2016-2018 Ford Explorer 2.3L Ecoboost blocks have the same slit between the cylinders like the redesigned 2.0L Ecoboost in so of the 2015-2018 Edge and 2016-2019 Escape/Fusion/MKZ?
Interesting I had never thought of this but it makes sense seeing how ford has had intermittent issues with flex plates breaking the flanges out.
This has to be the best video this year. I have never shied away from buying a 5.4. everything I own or buy are Fords.
This was perfect timing pardon the pun. I'm going out tomorrow to look at a F-150 with the 5.4. I decided for this summer my project is going to be to make my own Raptor. I found a great deal on an 07 so it falls right there in the middle. When I am done with posting this I am going to get my pry bar and one of my pieces of wood and take it with me.
Results? I have a 07 f150 KR myself getting a timing job done did this test too before doing job
Good information
I actually noticed on the bad thrust washer engine when you were viewing from the top down.....you can see on the idler pulley to the left how far forward the belt is riding as well. There's a good 1/4" of pulley showing towards the engine and the belt is real close to the front of the pulley......not normal. I used your timing vids when I did the job on my wife's '05 F150. I also found 4 loose roller followers that I otherwise wouldn't have looked for without your vids. Thanks!! If I can ever return the favor in my area of expertise (jet skis) you just holler!
Wow, good stuff. Does the 05 have the same problem? I guess the same test could be done on a 05
Brian, now I'll have to look at mine!
Thanks Brian!
Thank you. For that info.
Thanks Brian!!!!
Hey Youngster! You got a Dad a lot of kids can only dream about. Learn all you can!
Nico, good advice!!
FordTechMakuloco my teacher
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us God bless you and all your family around you Take care
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Brian, the other clue is where the belt is running on that tensioner. It's not centered. I had the same issue with my Caravan when the harmonic balancer was walking off the rubber mount. I could see that the belt was not centered on the tensioner pulley.
Excellent video. Thank you
While this can be another indicator it is not to be relied on for this condition. Many aftermarket tensioners track toward the edge where as the blue truck I already did a timing job on received a Ford Tensioner which tracks close to center.
You can also tell from where the belt is riding on the tensioner, because of the dampner moving forward its causing the belt to walk towards the front of the tensioner pulley I have seen it so bad that it was causing belts to be thrown off from the belt shreading.
You should start a Ford Tech Training program in your shop to pass on your experience and knowledge to others, in a hands on environment.
Great tips and info - thanks!
Smart idea!
No training program.
Just watch his Videos.
And pay him for his time.
Basically he is giving away his knowledge to everyone out there willing to learn.