Hammerhead is NOT a DPS Weapon. Here's what to look for. (God Roll Guide)

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  • čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
  • Why are you all like this.
    Full review of Hammerhead, its god rolls and how it stacks up against Commemoration.
    Special thanks to NFreak and Jimbo for their footage!
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 - This is NOT a DPS weapon
    2:18 - Don't Go For These Perks
    3:56 - Good Roll 1
    4:50 - Good Roll 2
    6:36 - Good Roll 3
    7:12 - vs Commemoration
    9:36 - So, is it best in slot?
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  • @AscendantNomad
    @AscendantNomad  Před 2 měsíci +77

    So I have indeed caused a stir with this one. Listen, you do you. The beauty of Destiny is that you can play your way. But some ways are more efficient, and that's all I'm trying to say here. 😄
    Feel free to get mad at me, it's even funnier when you do it when I'm live. I won't bite. Much. twitch.tv/ascendantnomad

    • @thealldayspecial
      @thealldayspecial Před 2 měsíci +4

      I don't think we will ever recover from how many people's eyes glazed over the second there was that bugged volatile rounds interaction with Retrofit and just never bothered to see how else things go after the fact, or even more simply how basic math works when reading a damage chart as proof for anything(so many people miss the amount of time it would take for a MG to reach big damage numbers).
      Feels like there was no coming back when Nez could be pushed over and you could run practically anything. It is wild how confidently people want to argue something that can be proven as a weaker dps option to so much more. I genuinely think there's just groups of LFG people constantly running Retrofits, taking the scuffed Final Stand 3rd phase, and a few people do worse than others(maybe forgot a mod or 4) which bolsters the confidence of people running MGs for dps.
      It's like the Borg.

    • @4zureSapphire
      @4zureSapphire Před 2 měsíci

      "Struck a nerve, did I?"

    • @amorfati4927
      @amorfati4927 Před 2 měsíci

      Atta boy! Respect that hustle and get that plug in!
      Don’t worry about people taking hard hits on the copium pipe from one or two past bugs (Volatile on Retro and Thunderlord) and old Xenophage. I LOVE machine guns… I really do… and they have their uses. It’s not for bosses in 99.9% of Destiny history. Outside of Xenophage (and there’s definitely better choices) it’s not for add clear in late stages of Legend Onslaught when you have infinite ammo basically an Gjallarhorn exists if you want to be serious about getting those level 50 clears.

    • @R377R0
      @R377R0 Před 2 měsíci

      @@amorfati4927 Rampage/Killing Tally is an unbelievable add/major killing god, in Legend Onslaught. Titan w/AWR mows them all down. I don’t use it for the boss…but for all the waves it’s great.

    • @hardluckmk.52
      @hardluckmk.52 Před 2 měsíci

      I’m treating as a replacement for deterministic, but all in all deterministic is still the better ad clear with weaken and volatile triggering stylish executioner and allowing lucky pants over gyrefalcon but i like using graviton every now and then so nice to have a better replacement than retrofit

  • @CLouDBRoS
    @CLouDBRoS Před 2 měsíci +200

    Incredible Trigger discipline at 40 secs. I would have not survived that one.

    • @TeamLumix
      @TeamLumix Před 2 měsíci +13

      I was fully anticipating an oopsie woopsie

    • @freakinschweeet
      @freakinschweeet Před 2 měsíci +14

      That scorn looked an awful lot like the one that ruins my flawless run every time....

    • @Jacrro
      @Jacrro Před 2 měsíci +4

      yup, id be dead asf

    • @atsukana1704
      @atsukana1704 Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@TeamLumixthe way he just walked in front going “hey how you doin?”

    • @roadblock99
      @roadblock99 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Lmao, I thought the same thing! That's a guardian who is well versed in the kamikaze D2 enemy tactics

  • @seraphlich4028
    @seraphlich4028 Před 2 měsíci +49

    I don't care if it's a DPS option. I want it. I will get it. As simple as that.

  • @xdreg
    @xdreg Před 2 měsíci +354

    🗣🗣🗣AEGIS MENTIONED?!?! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @rowanskokan7652
    @rowanskokan7652 Před 2 měsíci +139

    Wewind wounds!
    Thank you for calling out the machine gun DPS shenanigans. Lfg has been exhausting since hammerhead dropped. Thunderlord and retrofit escapade with their respective bugs have done quite a bit to drain my sanity.

    • @groovydolph
      @groovydolph Před 2 měsíci +15

      The retrofit volatile “meta” was some of the most fun I’ve had during that time 🤣 wish we could load up previous patches and play during that time. Watching duality bosses get purple popped off the map was hilarious

    • @Harrison-zc3hu
      @Harrison-zc3hu Před 2 měsíci +4

      But thunderlord two phases bro, trust

    • @KLGChaos
      @KLGChaos Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@Harrison-zc3hu Did a DSC the other day. Most of the team was using Thunderlord. I went with Apex Predator Bait n Switch. We one phased Taniks, but I also did twice the DPS of everyone else (with a Tcrash in there for good measure when I ran out of ammo).

    • @sonnyankau9239
      @sonnyankau9239 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@KLGChaos screenshot?

    • @Gunth0r
      @Gunth0r Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@sonnyankau9239 lol, you still need proof for that? Of course the apex + tcrash is gonna be double thunderlord. Watch ANY video or go to any spreadsheet on DPS rotations.

  • @atsukana1704
    @atsukana1704 Před 2 měsíci +57

    My gosh thank you sir. Honestly anyone who says the words “don’t use the machine gun for dps” gets a sub

  • @johnjocelyn5747
    @johnjocelyn5747 Před 2 měsíci +20

    That Scorn jump scare in the middle of the GL damage phase 😅

    • @shaq9537
      @shaq9537 Před měsícem

      I feel the rage and sorrow in this comment.

  • @sophieirisviel4100
    @sophieirisviel4100 Před 2 měsíci +64

    I think the only time “machine gun dps” shenanigans are warranted is in grandmaster nightfalls, where having edge or a rocket the whole time might be less than good, or something like the lake of shadows meatball where you need something with high total damage since it *will* just eat like 12 rockets and not die

    • @AscendantNomad
      @AscendantNomad  Před 2 měsíci +43

      Linear fusions would be miles better in that respect, as would Whisper of the Worm

    • @sophieirisviel4100
      @sophieirisviel4100 Před 2 měsíci +1

      the other thing i’d note: i don’t think it’s worth it *at all* on warlock or hunter, since neither of those have a way to reload that doesn’t break target lock, while actium war rig lets you dump your entire reserves. Additionally i think in that situation you specifically DONT want extended/appended, to make it ramp up ever so slightly faster

    • @sophieirisviel4100
      @sophieirisviel4100 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@AscendantNomad oh yea definitely, but it’s probably the only situation where they don’t immediately lose as bad as they do to grenade launchers and rockets in other dps phases

    • @darrontuagalu8865
      @darrontuagalu8865 Před 2 měsíci +11

      Whisper or linears on lake of shadows boss? WTF you on

    • @insomniaddictesp
      @insomniaddictesp Před 2 měsíci +2

      Bipod rockets also work

  • @Legoleflash
    @Legoleflash Před 2 měsíci +9

    Can we talk about that banger thumbnail though???? 🤩

  • @bachpachary
    @bachpachary Před 2 měsíci +6

    That raider at 0:40 was playing a sneaky game walking in front of you like that

  • @FrostyIl
    @FrostyIl Před 2 měsíci +44

    The goat Aegis being shouted out here is HEAT

    • @bloodthedragon3788
      @bloodthedragon3788 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Not really he's just some speedrunner. Thats not impressive

    • @atsukana1704
      @atsukana1704 Před 2 měsíci +11

      @@bloodthedragon3788he may not have a ton of accolades but he should be the first source anyone goes to for damage information. He considers all scenarios including based on practicality and theoretical heights.
      Im just glad in recent months he has gotten more overall recognition from the fanbase so they can learn about how a lot of data works on a deeper level.

    • @calusfootpics
      @calusfootpics Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@bloodthedragon3788 what would you consider impressive?

    • @bloodthedragon3788
      @bloodthedragon3788 Před 2 měsíci

      @@calusfootpics ill let you figure it out yourself

    • @calusfootpics
      @calusfootpics Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@@bloodthedragon3788you seem a bit slow

  • @ogLenas
    @ogLenas Před 2 měsíci +19

    Loving this new era of yours, Nomad.
    Ramp + KT on a Gyrfalcon hunter with marksman dodge is nutty.

    • @Morgan_Blackhand
      @Morgan_Blackhand Před 2 měsíci

      I've been using the exact same perk roll, that thing wipes out hordes instantly

    • @JA-kr1lz
      @JA-kr1lz Před 2 měsíci

      Congrats, your whole build is just worse than sunshot

    • @ogLenas
      @ogLenas Před 2 měsíci

      who fucking asked?

    • @elizabethhicks4181
      @elizabethhicks4181 Před 2 měsíci

      @@JA-kr1lz that’s hard to say! You’re comparing two completely different builds with differing amounts of utility and survivability, where one has its exotic weapon slot taken and the other doesn’t. Hammerhead will also struggle less in orange bar heavy scenarios where Sunshot wouldn’t get the exotic damage buff as prominently. But there’s also something to be said about the ability to equip a different swap-style exotic weapon like Izanagi or Witherhoard for burst damage or fire and forget area lockdown.
      Builds are more than one weapon in one role in one situation.

    • @JA-kr1lz
      @JA-kr1lz Před 2 měsíci

      @@elizabethhicks4181 not at all. Gyrafalcon hunter with hammerhead (an entire build/weapon) just so you can kill trash tier enemies faster. When sunshot just clears entire rooms with a couple bullets even on GM difficulty, which also not having to make a build around it. And your example of freeing up an exotic slot for better dps rotation? Yeah because hammerhead is used for dps in the first place lol

  • @brandinooo
    @brandinooo Před 2 měsíci +9

    Your divinity and thunder lord joke was actually hilarious.

  • @mefcalols4446
    @mefcalols4446 Před měsícem

    i've just discovered your channel and i'm loving all the info on the onslaught weapons. i always feel like i'm drowingin when an even happens that gives tons of weapons (looking at y you 10 taraxipos sitting in my vault). Having some good rolls to shoot for is super helpful. thanks

  • @smiIingman
    @smiIingman Před 2 měsíci +8

    I really do think Bungie should give a buff to Machine guns to make them also viable as dps weapons.
    Me? I *SUCK* At hitting rocket and grenade launchers because the hitboxes are literal perfection, too many times have my shots gone under the bloody armpit of the bosses im shooting at.
    Or they slow walk in 1 direction and then change immediately as i pull the trigger.
    Drives me nuts man i swear

    • @d4cfv251
      @d4cfv251 Před 2 měsíci

      Skill issue

    • @verdantnekomoya7965
      @verdantnekomoya7965 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@d4cfv251 “skill issue” is why machine guns are acceptable dps weapons. Not everyone can land every shot with certain weapons, but LMGs are very easy to be consistent with. Low damage is better than no damage.

    • @d4cfv251
      @d4cfv251 Před 2 měsíci

      @@verdantnekomoya7965 Skill issue

    • @nathanflinchum1153
      @nathanflinchum1153 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@d4cfv251you’re uh, really contributing here, totally…

    • @d4cfv251
      @d4cfv251 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@nathanflinchum1153 have you just tried improving your aim as to not be a massive skill issue?

  • @csnation
    @csnation Před 2 měsíci +4

    The problem with every raid encounter that Bungie designed so far is built around DPS phases. You can only hurt boss in X seconds and then he gets a shield.
    So total damage is secondary compared to what you can dump out in a short window.
    Unless they change core raid mechanics somehow and demand that there must always be consistent damage on a boss to prevent such incidents from occurring then yeah, MGs might see some worth I guess. But then again just look at how people farm Kali, they simply force ticks with witherhoard/Dragons breathe/Anarchy and spam her to oblivion with sunbracers to keep ticks up and prevent her from teleporting.
    That is why the constant DPS meta won't come back. And even if it does, things like Anarchy, Witherhoard and Dragon's Breathe do it way easier.

  • @Logan-fr6uw
    @Logan-fr6uw Před 2 měsíci +1

    First video I've seen of yours. Subscribed!

  • @XionAvalonArcadia
    @XionAvalonArcadia Před 2 měsíci +2

    I love my Envious assassin killing tally hammer head. When shit hits the fan, Swap to this and stack up that killing tally for a nice clip size and never worry about reloading it.

  • @GamesProject
    @GamesProject Před 2 měsíci +22

    I think many people kept in mind the FTTC/Target Lock from the Retrofit Escapade which was bugged with Volatile Rounds because it was dealing absurd amount of damage. I have it, and Commemoration (and old one) was still a gun I'd go back to simply because Recons was so good. I'd get Hammerhead for the unique double damage perk. But Commemoration is such an amazing gun it's hard to ignore.

  • @renjiesp
    @renjiesp Před 2 měsíci

    What do you think about frenzy and desperate measures on this pup?

  • @KLGChaos
    @KLGChaos Před 2 měsíci +37

    Meanwhile, I'm using Destabilizing/Killing Tally with Actium to make everything explode.

    • @frankeljoseph5182
      @frankeljoseph5182 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ah another man of culture

    • @Creym464
      @Creym464 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Rampage/killing tally as dps
      Nah i am kidding as ad clear change at -9 wave to envious gl to proc envious

    • @andrewmarklowitz2728
      @andrewmarklowitz2728 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Creym464 who hurt you please get therapy

    • @Creym464
      @Creym464 Před 2 měsíci

      @@andrewmarklowitz2728 bro try read fully first
      I said i was kidding at the end

    • @bloodthedragon3788
      @bloodthedragon3788 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@andrewmarklowitz2728 someone has no idea how to read

  • @ramrammer5138
    @ramrammer5138 Před 2 měsíci +6

    The James Hoffman of Destiny .. hit me like a fresh pour over.. velvety smooth Nomad velvety smooth..

    • @_FrozenPotato_
      @_FrozenPotato_ Před 2 měsíci

      Wow. You are so correct and I didn't realise till you mentioned it.

  • @devinchenigma2652
    @devinchenigma2652 Před 2 měsíci +3

    i recently found your channel and i cant be happier i did. I cant stop watching and i love your slightly humorous but also very grounded and calm informational style. Glad to be here brother

  • @stephenjablonski6227
    @stephenjablonski6227 Před 2 měsíci

    Really good assessment Thanks

  • @baileylee5934
    @baileylee5934 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Just got a rewind and killing tally roll, and it's been great for ad clear! :D

    • @R377R0
      @R377R0 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Try Rampage/KT on a Titan rigged-Actium. It’s a god for clearing adds and majors. Easy to take against Onslaught bosses.

    • @baileylee5934
      @baileylee5934 Před 2 měsíci

      @@R377R0 still hunting for it 😭 haven't gotten it yet but I'll definitely try it with actium!

    • @KomaBlader
      @KomaBlader Před 2 měsíci

      I have this same roll and I ran it with Doomfangs for the x4 Void boost and just turn it into a demon.
      I also ran a Ros Arago with Subsistence + Onslaught as mu primary and they both were cutting through enemies.

    • @Gunth0r
      @Gunth0r Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@KomaBlader Ros Arago struggles against anything higher difficulty. Even with onslaught running at peak, It just feels like I'm shooting an airsoft gun. I like the sound, though. It might work in higher difficulties if you have volatile weapons or radiant, but then again, so do most other guns.

  • @SammiEmN2737
    @SammiEmN2737 Před měsícem +2

    I love rewind rounds and onslaught! I’m an Actium War Rig Titan, and that makes it work really well! Solves the small mag problem!

  • @frankeljoseph5182
    @frankeljoseph5182 Před 2 měsíci +3

    destabilizing rounds + killing tally is also fun. great AOE damage & and a damage buff. obviously not as strong as rampage/killing tally but it has amazing splash damage and subclass synergy with void

  • @that1guyyoukno
    @that1guyyoukno Před měsícem

    That scorn at 0:41 really tried to pull a fast one on ya 😂.

  • @JustinThompson
    @JustinThompson Před 2 měsíci

    You are on point. I was on the Grind to get the Rampage/Killing Tally roll. It's great over all and the clear best option for Gyrfalcon Hunter.

  • @GabrielPiazentin
    @GabrielPiazentin Před 2 měsíci +1

    great video, thaks for the breakdown. hammer seems to have a lot of good perks and combinations, but HOW DO THEY WORK?? - that was the question until now.

  • @firstnamelastname4752
    @firstnamelastname4752 Před 2 měsíci

    Also as far as I know, envious assassin requires you to swap to the weapon just to 'set' the overflowed ammo. Otherwise it disappears in 10 secs. Or did they fix that?

    • @Gimp2288
      @Gimp2288 Před 2 měsíci

      Yes and no. You get 100% ammo filled without swapping, but that's it. If you swap after you get the 100% you can overfill it to 200%. I actually do prefer this as I can legitimately use it as a primary when I have the 200% built in and Killing Tally procced after just a while of using something else for adds. It's more efficient overall for me than reloading.

  • @typhir5911
    @typhir5911 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Your comment on Envious Assassin is precisely what I've been saying to my clanmate. It only makes sense if there are too many adds for the machine gun to effectively kill on its own, because it requires you to get kills from your other weapons, which by extension makes it conflict with the perk for an add clear weapon. The fact that the curated roll you get from Arcite's weapon bounty is Fourth Time the Charm + Killing Tally is a pretty decent roll on its own.
    IMO, because it doesn't have Auto-Loading or Reconstruction makes it rank a bit below Commemoration in my eyes due to the long reload times on a machine gun in general. I'll still farm a few rolls after I finish getting my Midnight Coup, because I loved the Hammerhead back in the day. Still wouldn't use a machine gun for straight up DPS since they are obviously add clear weapons.

  • @fesc9731
    @fesc9731 Před 2 měsíci

    genuinely impressed you said rewind rounds correctly so many times i would never be able to do that

  • @sammadsen8195
    @sammadsen8195 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Just did a legendary onslaught with hammerhead with rampage and killing tally with war rig and it was honestly AMAZING. I absolutely love this weapon!

  • @daveadams6489
    @daveadams6489 Před 2 měsíci

    Love the video!

  • @coinisinorbit
    @coinisinorbit Před 2 měsíci

    Whatchu onow about that archons thunder with killing wind and thresh, it goes hard wirh rays of precision

  • @VekErro
    @VekErro Před měsícem

    Hammerhead does have some select rolls where it can outdo Commemoration. One great pairing I've been enjoying is a destabilising rounds/killing tally roll with void titan. The aspect that buffs volatile explosions and the fragment that gives volatile to void weapons on grenade kills work to great effect with the perks (especially the grenade energy recharge the foundry perk offers), and at closer ranges ensure that almost every kill heals you.

  • @hexiron3852
    @hexiron3852 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I really like my Destablizing Rounds + Killing Tally roll. Really fun for void builds

  • @clearlywrong6520
    @clearlywrong6520 Před 2 měsíci

    Another thing to consider is that the BRAVE weapons along with any of the new weapons introduced since the mid-season patch will have their perks be enhancable, even if they have double perks.

  • @bonesofeao3968
    @bonesofeao3968 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The only time I ever use a machine gun for dps (not counting xenophage) is specifically retrofit escapade with 4th time+target lock+gyrfalcon on Hefnd's Vengence. Even then, I know I'm giving up better dps options, in exchange for more ammo to last the whole encounter consistently

  • @jackjaworski9175
    @jackjaworski9175 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I feel like I’m going crazy, but 4th times definitely doesn’t generate ammo from thin air…right?

    • @finefornow_
      @finefornow_ Před 2 měsíci +3

      it does indeed

    • @AscendantNomad
      @AscendantNomad  Před 2 měsíci

      Perk description: "Rapidly landing precision hits will return two rounds to the magazine". It gives you the ammo you shot back, so in effect yes. Have a look at the reserves count in the footage - doesn't change.

  • @carl6969100
    @carl6969100 Před 2 měsíci

    I just got my 5/5 hammerhead! So excited to use it in the Day One raid!!!

  • @bmo8272
    @bmo8272 Před 2 měsíci +3

    What's the reason for ignoring destabilizing? Just out of curiosity.

    • @chrisnichols2896
      @chrisnichols2896 Před 2 měsíci +1

      No reason. There's more than one god roll for add clear on hammerhead. Destabilizing Rounds with Killing Tally is one of them.

    • @drewnader1726
      @drewnader1726 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@chrisnichols2896 Agreed. Especially if you build into it, specifically on a titan

    • @jonahbrown5669
      @jonahbrown5669 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@drewnader1726That void aspect that gives health to you and teammates when a volatile explosion goes off near you + Precious Scars + Devour = very hard to kill

  • @strider2175
    @strider2175 Před 2 měsíci

    I do have to wonder at how much these weapons will be separated when the Brave arsenal can be enhanced.

  • @Twist-kj2fb
    @Twist-kj2fb Před 2 měsíci +2

    And if you’re gonna use it for ad clear ya gotta run a double special setup

  • @blucorsa_
    @blucorsa_ Před 2 měsíci +1

    It's absolutely insane to me that the notion LMGs are good for damage phases has persisted only because of 2 bugs. The first was when Thunderlord was generating more lightning strikes than intended with the catalyst, and the other being Retrofit Escapade proccing Volatile Rounds way more often that it should have been. Both of these were patched fairly promptly, yet people still refuse to admit that machine guns are not the Jack of all Trades they want them to be. Really glad you made this video, hopefully it knocks some sense into people's heads.

    • @twoinchrazorblade
      @twoinchrazorblade Před měsícem

      they are dps weapons sometimes tho lol my team used 6 tlords to get plat on caretaker week 3 of pantheon its just gotta be the right circumstances

    • @blucorsa_
      @blucorsa_ Před měsícem

      @@twoinchrazorblade Because it was Arc Surge, yes, but that's the exception, not the norm. Hothead/Crux was still a better option in terms of actual DPS, but in terms of TOTAL damage, as mentioned in the video, thunderlord did have the edge. This does not take into account the likelihood of people blowing themselves up using Rockets/GLs, nor does it account for if you have active ammo generation in your team (Cenotaph Mask, for example).
      TL:DR - TLord was viable because the circumstances of that *specific* instance, but is lackluster in virtually every other scenario.

  • @shaunrichardson1491
    @shaunrichardson1491 Před 2 měsíci

    I completely agree with your conclusion. I landed a shiny version with rampage/rewind rounds and killing tally/ttt and settled on rampage/killing tally as my go to version. I really notice the damage increase and you can be a bit more sparing with your reserves at the same time. It melts everything in non-end game content, especially when you lean into volatile rounds.

  • @halocraft34
    @halocraft34 Před 2 měsíci

    I love lmgs alot but you have a great point. I only use them for dps in more casual activities or when I'm too lazy to grab something better or if I'm using a great dps primary or special and I just want something for ad clear.

  • @emmetwalker2995
    @emmetwalker2995 Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent video.

  • @mrgoodcat899
    @mrgoodcat899 Před 2 měsíci

    I have a rampage/killing tally and it’s amazing for add clear/yellow bars I seem to not have a bad thing going but for dps am apex everytime

  •  Před 2 měsíci

    How about xenophage? Great boss DPS and add clear if you need it.

  • @dirtydan4492
    @dirtydan4492 Před 2 měsíci

    I never bothered to craft Commemoration so Im very keen on getting that Wewind Wounds/ Killing Tally roll. My Corrective Measure with RR/ OFA can finally rest

  • @jacksonabreu1923
    @jacksonabreu1923 Před 2 měsíci

    I get it but as someone who has just picked up the game again, it’s pretty frustrating that in order to get these good dps weapons you have to do raids (apex predator for example) and when your best power level option is an lmg wtf am i supposed to do

  • @amorfati4927
    @amorfati4927 Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for mentioning how reload isn’t really the important stat. A lot of people miss that it’s the multipliers and scalers that make the weapon’s reload feel much better.
    It’s why Field Prep, even though it does give you 50 reload, feels so good. Why Alloy Mag, if you can stop being a chronic reloader, feels so much better than any of the reload perks (I know, from experience because I got what is probably THE god roll Warden’s Law with Tactical Mag [which gives you enough bullets to shoot until you’re “Out of Luck”] / Alloy Mag / Fourth Times the Charm / Enlightened Action / Vorpal Weapon… and even though Tactical Mag is only 5 less reload than the strongest reload mag, when you use Alloy Mag it feels like Tactical Mag gives you -15 to your reload and not the +10 that it gives. It’s why Speedloader Slacks makes every weapon feel like it has instant reload while actually giving ZERO stat bonus to the flat reload number itself. So many other examples to go with that too.

  • @Caydeson-1
    @Caydeson-1 Před 2 měsíci

    My Commemoration is an OG Reconstruction Rampage, because before the refresh of the loot I found myself with 75 clears of DSC and couldn't be bothered to farm it anymore

  • @kalebwhite9621
    @kalebwhite9621 Před 2 měsíci

    my retrofit escapade has been my hybrid ad clear/dps weapon for a while now, altho at this point im literally just lookin for the rampage + KT roll on hammerhead, then i'll have the trifecta of void lmgs

  • @Mitsch76
    @Mitsch76 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Agree on the DPS .... whenever I encounter a boss wave I change weapons. Hammerhead does really not do it there. Even with Rampage+Killing Tally.

  • @j8000
    @j8000 Před 2 měsíci

    Rampafe + onslaught seems ideal on gyrfalcon. Unlike KT, the dodges don't reset your second damage perk, and they instead counteract the weakness of the Onslaught (reloads).

  • @DillonMagreveous
    @DillonMagreveous Před 2 měsíci

    Why not use the double damage perks instead of target lock? Ima still use it against bosses😊

  • @sportsguy23
    @sportsguy23 Před 2 měsíci

    Ive had so many hammerhead drops this week and not once has rampage killing tally dropped

  • @MXCHIXCII
    @MXCHIXCII Před 2 měsíci

    Ascendant my goat for crediting Aegis, love some creator love !!

  • @drewnader1726
    @drewnader1726 Před 2 měsíci

    If I'm running a void machine gun I want to work it into my build. Destabilizing rounds with Killing Tally on void titan with controlled demolition goes so hard. Surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet.

  • @xmetawolf
    @xmetawolf Před 2 měsíci

    man pairing this version of hammerhead with the titan aspect that gives you volatile rounds for grenade kills, and it even helps you regen your grenade, hmmm love having me a gun with hella explosive bullets.

  • @addsfour3499
    @addsfour3499 Před 2 měsíci

    I have all 3 and i love the rampage/killing tally. Onslaught needs reconstruction so you get a substantial time. Also, the range/stability and recoil are fine, so you want to prioritise mag size, then reload

  • @bobalopadus8901
    @bobalopadus8901 Před 2 měsíci

    Most convincing vid I've seen on this gun so far. I think hammerhead would take the top MG spot if you want to go extremely niche with actium war rig, but that's a lot of commitment

  • @z--r0
    @z--r0 Před 2 měsíci

    Fourth Time's the Charm + High Impact Reserves actually work great in PvP - it takes 4 headshots to kill most guardians (except ones with 8+ resilience), meaning you only spend 2-3 bullets per kill if you hit headshots. And Hammerhead has enough stability to consistently hit headshots even through flinch.

  • @CallMeOpti
    @CallMeOpti Před 2 měsíci

    Is it a long damage window? If yes then SOME not all LMGs can be used for DMG. Pretty sure it's just Thunderlord and the perfect retrofit though. If its a short damage window put those things away and use rockets or BnS GLs.

  • @johtohoennfan45
    @johtohoennfan45 Před 2 měsíci

    I've got my ad clear machine guns already, I'm just kinda crazy and like using them to kill Guardians too. Maybe I'm just trying to relive my Forsaken Gambit days. But seriously, Under Over/High Impact Reserves would absolutely melt a fool nowadays, and Hammerhead's juiced stats always made it feel so nice getting the kill without any consistency perks.

  • @thomlionsdale7590
    @thomlionsdale7590 Před 2 měsíci

    That ad nearly got you in clip 2!

  • @MrKingsMedia
    @MrKingsMedia Před 2 měsíci

    Wait… do I need a BnS Edge Transit?

  • @Avoncarstien
    @Avoncarstien Před 2 měsíci

    The fact that the damage bonuses from Rampage and Killing Tally stack multiplicatively rather than additively is what really makes this special. You're essentially tacking on an Enhanced Surrounded on top of Commemoration's damage if you were to stack additively, just from rampage. More than makes up for the lower overall reserves.

  • @ourobordos3120
    @ourobordos3120 Před 2 měsíci

    I am a strong proponent for subsistence + KT being top pick for ad clear with on HMGs. My brother in Light, I've cleared onslaughts, nightfalls, dungeons, and raids with near consistent uptime. I've made my hill, and plotted my grave.

  • @tenacity25
    @tenacity25 Před 2 měsíci

    I just look at this and see Rewind Rounds + Onslaught and that sounds like a fun ad clear option

  • @AuralVirus
    @AuralVirus Před 2 měsíci

    the 25% surge makes it feel awesome ........... ATM - gonna be an ok alt to retrofit escapade on an avg day

  • @patrickcarino989
    @patrickcarino989 Před 2 měsíci

    Isn't the retrofit a dps lmg?

  • @renzoandreherbasescobar8613
    @renzoandreherbasescobar8613 Před 2 měsíci

    Hope more people see this, I had 2 people doing damage with hammerhead in macrocosm and getting mad fofr the lack of damage

  • @YoshiONE2ONE
    @YoshiONE2ONE Před 2 měsíci

    The other day I ran a Legend Onslaught while using a support Cenotaph build on my Warlock. For my heavy, I used a Rampage/Killing Tally Hammerhead since I didn't need to worry about using my heavy ammo for anything.
    I ended the game with well over 700 kills (the most on the team) despite mainly playing a support roll. That is absolutely THE roll to go for. Wave 40+ and the damn thing was still chewing through everything like wet tissue paper.

  • @vyrljetstream5124
    @vyrljetstream5124 Před měsícem

    I really only like my ramp KT hammerhead on actium war rig titan because I can just pull ALL reserves and it doesn’t count for reloading. On my warlock and hunter, and when my titan is using a dif exotic, my crafted Commemoration just feels so much better.

  • @lanjagg
    @lanjagg Před 2 měsíci

    Here I am thinking I’m fancy for my Rampage/Onslaught role… thanks for crushing my dreams Nomad… and for getting me to smarten up.

  • @lumistrad
    @lumistrad Před 2 měsíci

    So far i've been using subsistence/KT on commemoration. It's nice to never have to reload.
    Rampage/onslaught for the funsies or rampage/KT for the dmg is what i'm hoping for.

  • @kipp14
    @kipp14 Před 2 měsíci

    I'm wondering if its as good as thunderlords in a neutral state as far as lmg are considered. I don't see very many uses for lmg past onslaught, bait and switch is still going to be good even if the truly passive overflow perks get nerfed since envious assassin is still good enough to fill that role on rocket launchers and heavy grenade launchers, specifically envious assassin cascade point launchers would be the more likely replacement for a heavy dps meta imo. Honestly I think it's more likely that particle deconstruction comes back with no changes than a genuine lmg meta.

  • @brandendunagan8822
    @brandendunagan8822 Před 2 měsíci

    I appreciate the part at the beginning. I have seen lfg's spamming the fact that you need thunderlord divinity for boss dps but it is just bad. Even if you have the 4th times vorpal on retrofit its still worse that just using levi breath with catalyst or just izanagis swapping.

  • @Joos2000
    @Joos2000 Před 2 měsíci

    Great vid, it needed to be said.

  • @ninjamagic5150
    @ninjamagic5150 Před 2 měsíci

    So what's the best weapon with the best perks mods. To run in this session. Write me and let me. Know. I'm a hunter and need the best load out. That can destroy them all.

  • @eri_sister_of_aerial
    @eri_sister_of_aerial Před 2 měsíci

    The only machine gun of all of them for DPS for legendaries is Retrofit and that's purely because of its archetype, perk pool, and insane ammo count. Retrofit is the only legendary MG to use for DPS and it really is just a futureproof total damage machine.

  • @pittspawn9967
    @pittspawn9967 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Just one issue the only reason to use LMGs for dps is like this week they are overloaded in the onslaught game mode.

    • @amorfati4927
      @amorfati4927 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Even then… saying you’re using a LMG for “DPS” is being dishonest.
      Yeah… you might be using it as your primary source of damage but it bastardizes everything DPS actually stands for in a legit conversation. You’d be doing better with some exotic primaries.

    • @DeanVarney
      @DeanVarney Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@amorfati4927hmm, while I am no fan of using an LMG as boss DPS, you don't get to change the definition of something because it doesn't fit your narrative. It doesn't matter if it "bastardizes" your concept of what a DPS weapon is, they are in fact DPSing with an LMG (because of the overload)
      Instead, maybe suggest that even with the Overload on, it is still the lowest teir? I for one cannot be assed with pricing Bait and switch, of Cascade poont. But yeah a good rocket with Explosive light and recon would be better.

    • @lt3880
      @lt3880 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​​@@DeanVarney the context you want to use dps for is meaningless. Youre just doing damage, its the thing you do damage to a boss with. In that case every gun is a dps pick

    • @sonnyankau9239
      @sonnyankau9239 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@amorfati4927 the epitome of yapping

    • @Kirito_DualWielder
      @Kirito_DualWielder Před 2 měsíci

      Do you know if you use overload rocket in artifact it will make rockets overcharged and give them the bonus damage. Same is true for all other artifact mods that makes weapons overcharged.

  • @baltazar514
    @baltazar514 Před 2 měsíci

    Loved the scuffed aka realistic damage phase

  • @Sargaxiist2022
    @Sargaxiist2022 Před 2 měsíci

    Wait. I haven't played in a long while but people actually equip HMGs that arent Xeno?

  • @DeuceTreyz
    @DeuceTreyz Před 2 měsíci

    Envious with 4th times is the melt machine esp on G-Falc Hunter

  • @paladindoesd2
    @paladindoesd2 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Hammerhead having less reserves immediately makes id DOA for me. For ad clear, you want all the ammo you can get and commemoration just has more ammo overall, plus commemoration can also get fttc kt for even MORE ammo generation. I just don't see a reason to ever use hammerhead.

  • @cjp8155
    @cjp8155 Před 2 měsíci

    The thing with machine guns is, I don't generally use them to kill pissy ads, I use them on tankier enemies. So for me Envious Assassin is the best option on this. I do have a Rampage/Killing Tally roll but I prefer the EA/Onslaught one.

  • @miniatimat
    @miniatimat Před 2 měsíci +1

    Preach Nomad

  • @Sin526
    @Sin526 Před 2 měsíci

    I have a shiny Hammerhead with 4th Times/Rewind Rounds in the 3rd column, and Killing Tally/Onslaught in the 4th.

  • @suspiciousstew2953
    @suspiciousstew2953 Před měsícem

    Agreed. I would go as far to say that machine guns in general are not DPS weapons they are made for mass add clearing whether it's red bars or orange bars or squishy yellow bars

  • @frogcatdog
    @frogcatdog Před 2 měsíci

    Rewind + Onslaught was my first drop and I cannot take it off, so much fun.

  • @augistineaquinas3325
    @augistineaquinas3325 Před 2 měsíci

    y u farmin hammerhead when u have a shiny one with rampage killing tally alrdy?

  • @ezimoase3363
    @ezimoase3363 Před 2 měsíci

    thank you for this video, remember ppl, machineguns are for add clear not dps

  • @ThomasBrandoGreenman
    @ThomasBrandoGreenman Před 2 měsíci +4

    You're bringing too much class to Destiny! As a first time channel visitor I'm completely thrown off by the lack of RGB lights, "wazzup guys - it's your boy", and the dressed for success and the great music :) Kudos to making a great video!

  • @user-gc9jn5qg7s
    @user-gc9jn5qg7s Před 2 měsíci +1

    I did not know only 11% does raids when to some people its a huge selling point or drawing factor. I guess the same could be said about crucible from my perspective.
    We don’t talk about gambit.

  • @demithevampireking4285
    @demithevampireking4285 Před měsícem

    Hammerhead IS a DPS option through...
    Just for the divinity user though so they have a second weapon leading IN to DPS, and if they run out of div ammo for some reason they have a heavy that will do SOMETHING.