LIVE | Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu - Day 7
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- Nicolae Miu, 54, is facing charges of first-degree intentional homicide for the death of 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide for his alleged role in the stabbings on the Apple River in Wisconsin on July 30, 2022.
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Dude that recorded it and said he was looking for young girls, started it all.
I think “looking for lost phone” may have sounded like “little girls.” But, they should have left the man alone considering there were no little girls where he was searching
WRONG
Absolutely ! 100 % agree. Jawahn Cockfield needs to be held accountable. Defense was way too easy on him while they had him on the stand. Madison Cohen should be charged as well, liar, tried to fabricate evidence.
The teens should be sued after this if he is acquitted
Agreed. Jaquan should be charged for inciting violence among other things. I hope we feels humiliated knowing the world is watching these videos-he can’t hide. Loser.
I wish they would stop saying he was smiling! Defense should have called a stress expert. I see no smile on Nicolai’s face. It is a grimace, a tensing of the cheek muscles that occurs during stress.
Yep, the "smile" to me looked like a dazed and confused, stress for sure!
Exactly!! My ex husband did that same face when he was in stressful situations.
Most reasonable people would think so as well. Or people with any knowledge whatsoever about human beings.
Lol
He was smiling. He had a smug look on his face. People need to stop making excuses for him. It's all their faults but he is the adult and the day a kid makes you mad enough that you can't walk away you no longer need to be in this world.
The boys weren't calling him names to go away, they were bullying and tauting him to be complete drunk assholes.
I'd like you to reconsider your opinion. Rewatch that video & then tell me how many times they told him or yelled at him to get away or go before the girls even came up. Then tell me how many times they continued to tell him to go & how many times the girls told him to go. ALL OF THIS was done with absolutely NO ONE behind him & his path back to his friends was free from obstruction. HE is the adult, HE is compelled to turn around & walk away based on that fact alone. Haven't you ever heard of sticks & stones?
Sticks and stones
May break my bones
But words can never hurt me
And allow me to lend wisdom to your one sided bleeding heart theory.
These were good boys. They weren't thugs, they had never been in trouble. They got good grades, almost all went on to college. Even the the last two boys that came over did so to protect HIM because there were so many kids. As many as there were, none of them raised a hand to him, none of them splashed water in his face, none of them had a weapon & none of them put their hands on him first. As a matter of fact, 2 boys were sitting alone in their tubes & HE came up to them. He aggressively grabbed their tubes & touched one kids' legs. The kids got up & told him to get away, go. He starts to walk away & comes back 3 times. Why? Let me tell you something. Watch any documentaries about the CIA, watch any documentaries about prison - when someone in prison wants to kill someone, they fashion what's called a shiv or a shank. That is they sharpen something plastic or metal until it's pointed & is usually 4-6 inches long. As you can guess, when someone doing life in prison stabs someone else, they are already doing life so the only sentence that can be added is death by lethal injection. Or if the person stabbing someone isn't doing life, they don't want to be caught because that means more charges & more time in prison. So obviously, in either instance the person doing the stabbing wants to make sure they kill the person & not just hurt the person. This is obviously so the victim doesn't wake up & testify against the perpetrator. Do you know how they are taught to stab so they kill the person?
SHORT, QUICK JABS, 2-4 times....IN THE TORSO AREA!!! THAT'S HOW THEY ARE TAUGHT TO DO IT SO THE PERSON DIES. 2-4 SHORT, QUICK JABS. How did this guy stab these kids? How long was his knife?
You don't find it funny that each person was stabbed with a short blade less than 3 times & YET, one died, one was disemboweled & one's stomach was hanging out of her 4" gash, which took a surgical cut almost the length of her torso just to put her back together. Do you realize what that means? Do you think someone who has never stabbed anyone before would know where & how to stab to do the most damage? OF COURSE NOT! The average person A) would either walk away or fight back according to their own fight or flight response, but he didn't have to fight because no one touched him. And he had PLENTY of time to make flight, walk away. OR B) if they felt their life was in danger & they had a knife they would just use it to threaten them to let him go or if they had to use the knife they sure as shit wouldn't know WHERE to stab to do the most damage, HOW to stab to do the most damage or have the confidence to feel that they have time to stab FIVE PEOPLE successfully. And they CERTAINLY wouldn't hit first & hit A WOMAN at that!
You can ask any child psychiatrist- a child's personality is formed by the age of 7. This man was raised in Romania, a very corrupt & violent country, at least until his character was formed. He was raised by a mother & father who were raised & lived in Romania. I'm sure his father wasn't particularly nurturing & women are treated very different in those countries. Young Americans tend to be so ignorant & think every country is like our country. NO COUNTRY IS LIKE OUR COUNTRY. We were the first free country ever created on the entire planet & we still are today. Do you think other countries have freedom of speech laws? NO. Other countries don't have a US Constitution. Romania undervalues women. Women are supposed to be barefoot & in the kitchen & when they're not in the kitchen, they're supposed to walk around on their knees waiting for their master to tell them what to do. Get me this, get me that, make me this, I want that. It's putrid! And if you think this man, a product of that kind of childhood, of watching women being treated that way, a man who's obviously familiar with violence & knows how to make the most efficient use of a 4" blade, a man WHO PUNCHED A FEMALE IN THE FACE - FIRST - BEFORE ANYTHING WAS DONE TO HIM - is innocent....you are so far from having any valuable intuition, you lack the ability to judge a character and your mind only has the capacity to think one way. Kids were laughing at him & calling him names so I guess they deserve to be disemboweled, to live the rest of their life with a scar that runs the length of their torso, and to be murdered. ALL FOR NAME CALLING.
I say that as a mother of 2 grown kids, who were raised not to call names. I HATE IT! They weren't allowed to call names, say stupid or shut-up, they weren't allowed to curse...and my daughter has raised my 8 year old grandson with those same values. She hated it then, but now can see how ugly it is when kids call names. Neither kid, son 28 or daughter 30 will curse in front of me, even though I wouldn't care at all. That's respect. So I do believe in respect. And I don't know if you have children, but you are effectively saying that if your child & his friend, at age 15, call a 50 year old man some names because he said something disgusting, and the man turns around & kills them because they're calling him names, that you would be totally OK with that. That is a very interesting perspective for a mother to have or for anyone to have. I don't know a single mom in this universe who would agree with you.
I have watched every second of this trial so far, every second that is available to the public, and I can't believe anyone would side with that disgusting man. They started recording because he said something about little girls. So you can tell that's truthful because when the video first starts more then one person is saying something about it. Do you think they telepathically discussed it & said 'let's call him some version of a pedophile at the same time so it sounds like we're telling the truth'... because that is what would have had to happen for these kids to be lying about it. When the recording starts they're in the middle of yelling at him, saying he can't say that. They didn't know the kid started recording right that second.
And lastly, the state played the recording of him being interviewed after his arrest. During this recording he said:
1) There were a lot of people that came on to me and they produced two weapons, one I took from them. LIE
2) They hit me and were on top of me....LIE
3) I ran away to my group.....LIE
4) I remember saying IF IM A CHILD MOLESTER, SHOULD YOU DRINKING? IF I'M A CHILD MOLESTER YOU SHOULDNT BE HAVING ALCOHOL. LIE that he ever said that and what does that even mean???
5) They took my snorkel away & threw it in the water. LIE
6) They grabbed my pants. One wanted to pull my pants down. LIE
7) I don't know who it was but he had a knife on him. And then there was another knife, a longer knife that looked like a kitchen knife. LIE & LIE
8) When the kid attacked me I took the knife from him. LIE
9) MY friend lost his phone and he said well let's go look for it. LIE
10) I went over to these guys and said 'Did you guys find a phone & if you did can I see it, can I identify it?'. LIE
Those questions were from when he first started talking in the interview which was at exactly the 1:40:00 mark (one hour 40 minutes in) and I stopped it at exactly the 1:42:46 mark (one hour 42 minutes 46 seconds).
That means in LESS THAN 3 MINUTES HE TOLD 10 LIES!!
People REALLY have to start using their brain. His wife even divorced him and they haven't even been married that long. If she thought for one second he was innocent or what he did was justified, she never would have divorced him. These little things are called clues. They are supposed to help you find the TRUTH. That should be the only importance in everything... TRUTH! But people like you care less about truth and more about feelings. What good is that? I try so hard to understand your kind, but understanding evades me. This man MURDERED A 17 YEAR OLD BOY. DISEMBOWLED A 23 YEAR OLD BOY AND STABBED & SCARRED A 22 YEAR OLD GIRL, plus injured 2 other people. And YOU think he should go free because kids were calling him names!
PATHETIC.
I would like you to reconsider your opinion. Rewatch that video & then tell me how many times they told him or yelled at him to get away or go before the girls even came up. Then tell me how many times they continued to tell him to go & how many times the girls told him to go. ALL OF THIS was done with absolutely NO ONE behind him & his path back to his friends was free from obstruction. HE is the adult, HE is compelled to turn around & walk away based on that fact alone. Haven't you ever heard of sticks & stones?
Sticks and stones
May break my bones
But words can never hurt me
And allow me to lend wisdom to your one sided bleeding heart theory.
These were good boys. They weren't thugs, they had never been in trouble. They got good grades, almost all went on to college. Even the the last two boys who came over did so to protect HIM because there were so many kids. As many as there were, none of them raised a hand to him, none of them splashed water in his face, none of them had a weapon & none of them put their hands on him first. As a matter of fact, 2 boys were sitting alone in their tubes & HE came up to them. He aggressively grabbed their tubes & touched one kids' legs. The kids got up & told him to get away, go. He starts to walk away & comes back 3 times. Why? Let me tell you something. Watch any documentaries about the CIA, watch any documentaries about prison - when someone in prison wants to kill someone, they fashion what's called a shiv or a shank. That is they sharpen something plastic or metal until it's pointed & is usually 4-6 inches long. As you can guess, when someone doing life in prison stabs someone else, they are already doing life so the only sentence that can be added is death by lethal injection. Or if the person stabbing someone isn't doing life, they don't want to be caught because that means more charges & more time in prison. So obviously, in either instance the person doing the stabbing wants to make sure they kill the person & not just hurt the person. This is obviously so the victim doesn't wake up & testify against the perpetrator. Do you know how they are taught to stab so they kill the person?
SHORT, QUICK JABS, 2-4 times....IN THE TORSO AREA!!! THAT'S HOW THEY ARE TAUGHT TO DO IT SO THE PERSON DIES. 2-4 SHORT, QUICK JABS. How did this guy stab these kids? How long was his knife?
You don't find it funny that each person was stabbed with a short blade vless than 3 times & YET, one died, one was disemboweled & one's stomach was hanging out of her 4" gash, which took a surgical cut almost the length of her torso just to put her back together. Do you realize what that means? Do you think someone who has never stabbed anyone before would know where & how to stab to do the most damage? OF COURSE NOT! The average person A) would either walk away or fight back according to their own fight or flight response, but he didn't have to fight because no one touched him. And he had PLENTY of time to make flight, walk away. OR B) if they felt their life was in danger & they had a knife they would just use it to threaten them to let him go or if they had to use the knife they sure as shit wouldn't know WHERE to stab to do the most damage, HOW to stab to do the most damage or have the confidence to feel that they have time to stab FIVE PEOPLE successfully. And they CERTAINLY wouldn't hit first & hit A WOMAN at that!
You can ask any child psychiatrist- a child's personality is formed by the age of 7. This man was raised in Romania, a very corrupt & violent country, at least until his character was formed. He was raised by a mother & father who were raised & lived in Romania. I'm sure his father wasn't particularly nurturing & women are treated very different in those countries. Young Americans tend to be so ignorant & think every country is like our country. NO COUNTRY IS LIKE OUR COUNTRY. We were the first free country ever created on the entire planet & we still are today. Do you think other countries have freedom of speech laws? NO. Other countries don't have a US Constitution. Romania undervalues women. Women are supposed to be barefoot & in the kitchen & when they're not in the kitchen, they're supposed to walk around on their knees waiting for their master to tell them what to do. Get me this, get me that, make me this, I want that. It's putrid! And if you think this man, a product of that kind of childhood, of watching women being treated that way, a man who's obviously familiar with violence & knows how to make the most efficient use of a 4" blade, a man WHO PUNCHED A FEMALE IN THE FACE - FIRST - BEFORE ANYTHING WAS DONE TO HIM - is innocent....you are so far from having any valuable intuition, you lack the ability to judge a character and your mind only has the capacity to think one way. Kids were laughing at him & calling him names so I guess they deserve to be disemboweled, to live the rest of their life with a scar that runs the length of their torso, and to be murdered. ALL FOR NAME CALLING.
I say that as a mother of 2 grown kids, who were raised not to call names. I HATE IT! They weren't allowed to call names, say stupid or shut-up, they weren't allowed to curse & my daughter raises my grandson with those same values. She hated it then, but now can see how ugly it is when kids call names. Neither kid, son 28 or daughter 30 will curse in front of me, even though I wouldn't care at all. That's respect. So I do believe in respect. And I don't know if you have children, but you are effectively saying that if your child & his friend, at age 15, call a 50 year old man some names because he said something disgusting, and that man turns around & murders them because they're calling him names, that you would be totally OK with that. That is a very interesting perspective for a mother to have, or for anyone to have! I don't know a single mom in this universe who would agree with you.
I have watched every second of this trial so far, every second that is available to the public, and I can't believe anyone would side with that disgusting man. They started recording because he said something about little girls. So you can tell that's truthful because when the video first starts more then one person is saying something about it. Do you think they telepathically discussed it & said 'let's call him some version of a pedophile at the same time so it sounds like we're telling the truth'... because that is what would have had to happen for these kids to be lying about it. When the recording starts they're in the middle of yelling at him, saying he can't say that. They didn't know the kid started recording right that second.
And lastly, the state played the recording of him being interviewed after his arrest. During this recording he said:
1) There were a lot of people that came on to me and they produced two weapons, one I took from them. LIE
2) They hit me and were on top of me....LIE
3) I ran away to my group.....LIE
4) I remember saying IF IM A CHILD MOLESTER, SHOULD YOU DRINKING? IF I'M A CHILD MOLESTER YOU SHOULDNT BE HAVING ALCOHOL. LIE that he ever said that and what does that even mean???
5) They took my snorkel away & threw it in the water. LIE
6) They grabbed my pants. One wanted to pull my pants down. LIE
7) I don't know who it was but he had a knife on him. And then there was another knife, a longer knife that looked like a kitchen knife. LIE & LIE
8) When the kid attacked me I took the knife from him. LIE
9) MY friend lost his phone and he said well let's go look for it. LIE
10) I went over to these guys and said 'Did you guys find a phone & if you did can I see it, can I identify it?'. LIE
Those questions were from when he first started talking in the interview which was at exactly the 1:40:00 mark (one hour 40 minutes in) and I stopped it at exactly the 1:42:46 mark (one hour 42 minutes 46 seconds).
That means in LESS THAN 3 MINUTES HE TOLD 10 LIES!!
People REALLY have to start using their brain. His wife even divorced him and they haven't even been married that long. If she thought for one second he was innocent or what he did was justified, she never would have divorced him. These little things are called clues. They are supposed to help you find the TRUTH. That should be the only importance in everything... TRUTH! But people like you care less about truth and more about feelings. What good is that? I try so hard to understand your kind, but understanding evades me. This man MURDERED A 17 YEAR OLD BOY. DISEMBOWLED A 23 YEAR OLD BOY AND STABBED & SCARRED A 22 YEAR OLD GIRL, plus injured 2 other people. And YOU think he should go free because kids were calling him names!
PATHETIC.
1000%
@@carriepellicer9526 This post is amazing. I see this incident exactly the same! OMG! Thank God for you. I will also add this: 1) Miu likely dismissed the original question of "What are you looking for?" sarcastically with , "Little girls" and they seized upon this to taunt him. 2) Bullies (the guys) don't call strangers over to help 3) Victims (Miu) don't lie to your friends and relatives, the police, medical personnel and ditch their weapon. 4) Miu and his brother obtained a restraining order against their elderly father in 1999. Obviously Miu was likely abused by his father. Sadly, I am of the opinion that the taunting by the boys, the ladies getting in his face and his drunken state triggered him to respond stealthily and violently.
@@thisismajortom I am sitting here reading your comment with my mouth open, as I am in disbelief. Almost in shock.
First, allow me to say....I LOVE THE SONG MAJOR TOM! My Dad's name is Tom and he was in the Navy. It's not even that it particularly reminds me of him, I have always just loved that song so much!
Next, I fear you won't believe me but I'm a Christian and I promise on you know who that every word I'm saying is the truth. I was literally going to add ALMOST all of the points you made as well, but I felt it was already too long. But I THINK I made all of those same points, except one, in a comment I made on a video of a different trial day. I thought 'he probably did say something about little girls because he thought the boys would laugh or think he was 'cool' or something, because that's probably how younger MIU spoke. That if he was innocent he would've immediately told his family, and found a cop on the beach and approached them and gave the cop the knife and would've been traumatized that he just had to murder a kid!
I never thought about the fact that bullies wouldn't call for help, but you're spot on! And I had NO IDEA until I just read your comment that MIU had an issue with his father. And you're exactly right, it's what lead him to respond the way he did. Almost like 'These punk kids aren't going to tell me what to do!'
Thank God for you! I just know that we are best friends in some parallel dimension somewhere, LOL!! We are definitely cut from the same cloth and have probably had some of the same life experiences to be able to see what we see.
I heard more than half of people polled think MIU is not guilty. I can't believe that. It must be that everyone is so sick of seeing young adults punching people, stealing, ganging up on one person in fights.... we're all sick of it. We all know how teenagers are today. The young lady Riley is 25 and a high school graduate but didn't know what the words retreat or recoil mean. So yes, it can be frustrating. But we still have to judge each person by their merit and each incident without prejudice. Otherwise we cease to be America.
Thank you so much for your compliment & I wanted to return the favor. You are obviously more wise than most. And though I don't trust many people, I wish I had a friend like you. Where it's almost like we share a brain because we think so alike.
God Bless you and your family. Continued wisdom & blessings on your life! 🙏
I think the prosecution overcharged. I don’t think the state can get a first degree murder conviction in this case
They can convict him of a lesser charge! It doesn’t have to be 2st degree. I think 2nd degree murder for Isaac and 4 agg assault, tampering with evidence. If there’s anything you can get charged for not rendering aid to an injured person. I wish that could be a charge but I don’t think it is.
He made sure he had his knife when he was running over there, pulled the knife before he was touched, and only got hit because he hit a girl
Absolutely. Not Guilty of First Degree murder.
@@esk2gI don't believe juries in WI can depart from original charges. Up or down vote.
@@esk2gJury has to rule on what the prosecutors charged him with
Why did the defense not have a psychiatrist or someone to explain the effects of trauma on memory etc…since Miu kept saying he didn’t remember things.
Because that would open up his history in the military. Prosecutors cannot bring up Miu military experiences because the defense got that blocked. Which then the bigger question is how much military experiences and training does he have from a communist country. My friend who knew nothing about this case, I had him watch the video and he’s a former navy seal and the first comment from him was he has military training I can tell by the way he’s holding the knife and how he stabbed them and punctured them.
@@tinan97478you nailed this on the head. Lot of people don't realize that. You watch his eyes the way he's sizing everything up. The way he's taking information and processing it. Definitely ex-military
Exactly!! That is what I said, too. Such a missed opportunity to show WHY he may have lied even, too. smh...
Because he's straight up lying lol he conveniently forgot
@@jennifercarie he lied because he's not stupid. He knew he committed potential mass murder on 5 unarmed young people. Being in the military, he absolutely knew what a stab to the torso would do. He didn't stab them in the leg or arm...every stab was in a place that he would've known there was high likelihood of death. It is SHOCKING how gullible people are in thinking he's this nice innocent guy 🤣😂. He was caressing that knife BEFORE the girls even approached him. He intentionally kept that blade down low so people couldn't see what was going on. It's like the Michael Myers characters where teens are taunting and bullying the weird guy, and he just starts stabbing. The ONE teen happened to see the knife and he freaked out and tried to pull his friends back. All this guy had to do was hold up the knife and tell them to back off. They obviously would've immediately retreated in seconds! But instead he stabs and kills. He smirked right before...he knew exactly what he was doing
Young people are mean and overly confident assholes, and their parents are to blame. They harassed that guy. Things escalated and people died.
"Things escalated" when the killer pulled out a knife.
Things escalated when you bully and older man without any reason with your spoiled college boys.
@@D-Trez he was literally being ganged up on by a mob of drunk teens who kept pushing him and hitting him in a body of water where he could have easily drowned... you wouldn't fight for your life if that was happening to you? That's weird mentality for you to care only about the knife...
@@nurdandogruyol3668 bullies lmao it wasnt like he was in fear for his life, he wanted to fight those boys clearly by pulling a knife and walking towards them, hes an evil murderer and u have room temp iq
@@gusonfire he walked towards them with his knife pulled, he had many times to leave and he wanted to engage. pls explain why if you were scared for you life and decided to pull out ur knife, u would start to walk towards and engage the threat rather than trying to disengage and back away.
Did these teens get charged with assault? The video online shows very cut and dry. Those teens need to be charged with assault and battery. This was self-defense. If you attack someone, then they absolutely have the right to defend their life. A gang of punks probably drinking and maybe doing so illegally because they have negligent parents that act like kids themselves assaulted a 54 year old man ALONE so yea, if I had a knife in that situation then I would have pulled it too and stabbed a gang if they are ganging up on me. This is ridiculous that the actual criminals are not being charged, and the defender is being attacked.shame on these parents for raising hellions for kids. My parents would roll over in their Graves if I ever dared act the fools that those teens do. It's so disgusting to think that they honestly believe that they are victims here. Mr. Miu is their victim. Not the other way around.
This is Miu's case, not a case for the others.
G1, teen boys. Isaac was the only one who touched Miu and died.
G2, not teens. They behaved badly too. Maddie and Ryhley touched him and shouldn't have. He allegedly hit Maddie. So, of course her group, along with Isaac, defended her. I'm not condoning it.
He was acting weird and approached G1 while they were down in their tubes.
Miu had opportunities to walk away. He didn't.
A lot of people did wrong, including him.
There are two separate groups with different behaviors and intentions. It wasn't one group.
You sound insane 😂
The prosecution makes the stupidest case I've ever heard. He makes a drunken, violent mob sound like Saints
Agreed. They’ve been unprepared daily. They have no idea what the answers to their questions will be, which is a cardinal sin in courtrooms. They attempt to impeach their own witnesses when they say something that makes the prosecution look idiotic, which is basically every witness. They object far too much and are overruled far too often. Karl Anderson is the single dumbest DA in the state.
those 2 prosecutors are bumbling fools
I'm sorry, but if that idiot with the phone didn't exacerbate things by yelling to everyone, "he's a raper!" this whole situation wouldn't have ended the way it did.
If the old idiot would've not wordlessly, knife in tow, invaded children's personal space, touching up on them and walked away when told to, this situation wouldn't have been one.
The defense really should of had a professional medical doctor testify that after a traumatic incident a person can experience exactly what Mr miu experienced
I honestly can’t help but think that the incident and hitting triggered a PTSD fit which is why he hasn’t any recollection and how he has remained so calm. Intent will be difficult to prove because he wasn’t in his right mind in my opinion.
NOT GUILTY! NOT GUILTY! NOT GUILTY! NOT GUILTY!
I do believe these teens who put their hands on him should also have consequences for those actions.
Ones dead , one had his guts hanging out then a few others was stabbed, and you think they all need punishment! What F planet are you on!
@@butterflyray1Yes, they all need to be punished and jailed.
@butterflyray1 , Everyone involved, including the I'll mannered teens should answer for their actions.
People can NOT go around acting like fools and expect no consequences.
@@butterflyray1 What your referring to is the consequence of their actions, not the punishment of their crime.
@@butterflyray1I mean….they put their hands on him first. They still need to be held criminally liable. 🤷🏻♀️
The videographer needs to be arrested
He incited a riot, Schuman probably wouldn’t have attacked Miu if not for the video kid
He has a get out of jail card.
Gee so what should be done to the actual murderer?
@@YFree we'll find out if the defendant is in fact convicted of murder.
BULLSHIT..
Throughout this trial I’ve been trying to put myself on both sides of this. If the defendant was my dad, if the teens were my sons, if either one was me… where I keep getting stuck is, I would never do what those boys were doing that day. I’ve never treated anyone like that in my life-not even drunk. My sons have never treated anyone like that in their lives-not even drunk. Not even in a group. The boys essentially had a hand in their friend’s death and they’ll have to live with that forever. I hope they learn from it. I guarantee this isn’t the first time they’ve acted like this and have always walked away from it unscathed and emboldened. This time it ended horribly.
My dad had to go to civil court for putting an 18yo kid into/against a wall for picking on my little brother every day after school.
One thing I don’t think the defense made a point of-Miu didn’t run at people stabbing them. He got pushed into the water, got up, got pushed down again in the back by AJ, and as he stood back up he jabbed at him and AJ was sliced. Then Rhylie came at him, he turned and got her once in the side (everyone keeps saying back-it was her flank as he turned). Then Issac put his hands on his chest, up to his throat, the other hand came up and he got jabbed in the chest. The only people stabbed were people who put hands on him, including Dante.
For those saying he shouldn’t have hit a girl, we don’t see the “hit” whether it was a hit, punch, slap, or push. Whatever it was, if you are not “acting like a lady” you can’t suddenly claim to be a delicate butterfly when you’re swatted at. She was all up in his face yelling profanities and her voice was so obnoxious and grating. I can’t say I wouldn’t have pushed her/punched her either.
Having said that, if I had 13 people surrounding me what would I do? I think if I knew I had a knife in my pocket I might pull it out. I think I would’ve been afraid someone would have taken it from me and used it on me because there were so many of them. Especially if you warned then you had one. Unfortunately Miu just knew how to use the knife very well.
Someone who wears their shoes out completely before buying a new pair is the type who wouldn’t let a phone go or a snorkel set go without trying to find it. But I fault him (Miu) for not just continuing to walk away the first time as soon as they started yelling he’s a raper-it wasn’t worth the phone or the snorkel to continue engaging with obviously drunk and disorderly teen boys.
The whole thing is awful and never had to happen at all. It could’ve just been a beautiful/fun summer day for all.
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Completely agree with you in all you said but one thing. I would be in panic if they discovered I had a knife with me. They all would overpower and take the knife away and perhaps stab and kill me with my own knife. I would yell my head off for help.
This is me, a middle aged woman who never used a knife unless in the kitchen. This case is very, very sad and the juri will have a difficult task. Meanwhile all of them with no exception would wish so much they ALL had done it differently.
Time is like the water of a river: never runs twice in the same space.
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Right, they literally beat him up. The knife only hit the people coming in contact with him.
The whole situation is just sad and unfortunate. I do think the teenage boys are mostly to blame. He’s an older man, out of shape and probably has never had something like this happened to him before. I don’t think he intended on killing anybody. AJ got slashed up the way he did because he was pushing into him as the knife was going in. I don’t think that mr. Mui you knew what that knife was doing in the moment. It’s very sad if I was the parent to these boys, I would be disappointed in them. I hope that he does not get put in jail for the rest of his life for something that was unintentional and frankly with self-defense.
@maggiec7473 I have been doing the same thing trying to put myself on both sides. What I can tell you is this. My daughter is in middle school right now, social media has created an "ok" mind frame to put down and talk badly abt anyone even your own friends. Bcs its a joke. School are no correcting it and parents may not be fully understanding it either. The whole mind set of self expression and do what you please is now showing its implications in this situation. Not one teenage boy said to one of there friends to stop or even consider me mui situation. Also its the older person as well not understanding this generation and not really liking it! I tell my kids you can make one wrong decision that can ruin your life or your reaction to and emotions that can ruin you or someone else life. This jury has a tough decision 😒
3:32:35 is when Nicolea Miu begins his testimony and resume testimony after break at 5:15:15
Pointless and dumb comment, thanks for nothing
His LIE-IMONY. This man going to prison.
Thanks
"Now my whole life is down the tubes. "
to me he knows he is guilty & exactly what he did .
@@ms.g-j8524 a "lie-imony"? What are you, 12?
It should be a charge/crime typification for the kids that started the disturbances, they provoked all the events and the accident, the most guilty kid is the one who pushed Nicholae to the water and punched him in the face, which started the panic attack. In a country like the US where everyone is in a fear state and defensively, you can't do this kind of provocation, a lot of people there are armed, probably the majority.
Bunch of drunken stoners bully some old guy with a bad heart. Then 12 cheese-heads send the poor guy to prison.
Let this be a lesson for EVERYONE! This can easily be ANYBODY do not think you are immune! A simple altercation at a store or mall can lead to this. America is a scary place and lawless.
We live in a scary world. We must be armed at all times. It’s always a good idea to warn (I have a ___) if time permits
dude you are correct this usa is a shit hole. I would not live there if you gave me a house. no way. too dangerous. school shooting ams mass daily shootings . and ive been there. teens are crazy aggressive there . the us has a lot of money but is has a third world mentality. a beautiful land. but a shit hole country. a failure
you are right, we live in a scary world but here in Europe there is a scarce minory that use fire arms, we too don't have neither the death penalty nor life prison and the European countries all together have less criminality than the US! West and Northern Europe mainly.
To be criminal, to have school shootings and serial killers is a North American thing. It's a disgrace...
Thanks to social media, it's the wild west again
@@MeliSierra-fw7cf or just have social skills. This could have so easily been deescalated as can most situations like it. People are so hot headed that they think they need to win and that is the real problem.
Not guilty!
I'll never understand why that father didn't go over himself to see what was going on instead of telling his drunk sons to go over with their drunk loser friends....big mistake ....SMH
Dad said they owned a bar and the boys were used to addressing people He said he had confidence in them
Agree I would never send my boys to investigate drama. I would go myself and my boys would probably follow me but at least I would take the lead.
That kid was so smug. Worse than a couple of the other lying drunk children
@@toddciotti3324why do you hate kids having fun
Amen I thought the same...don't be sending ur kids into the lions den if u not willing to go yourself
Love how the judge overrules everything when defense objects but sustains everything when state objected. I’ve seen some pretty similar questions that the judge blocked for state. 🙄
That is completely untrue, the judge overruled many of the State's objections during the State's case, and sustained may of the defense's. Why it appears the opposite is that no one really objected during the Prosecution's case.
This judge was a jerkoff .. it should be a lot of medical appeal for him, saying that what he did is considered reckless danger and homicide. It’s up to the jury.
Also why are we not addressing the fact that these so called children were out there drinking and smoking weed? I have a problem with underage drinking, especially when groups of kids behave like they did.
Bigger fish to fry, in the big picture
Kids today were raised on social media, where you go by anonymous monikers, and are never held accountable for words or actions.
Because we have all been teenagers and many have had them too. We know that a lot of kids experiment with drugs and alcohol and don’t think that it should be a death sentence even if they are being rude or obnoxious. He should have walked away and reported them. Let them have the consequences they deserved instead of going back angry and armed.
Say what you want about "drugs" but if everyone involved here were only smoking weed and no alcohol was involved, not one bit of this would have happened. It's why many dance festivals thru the years have been open to whatever drugs you want to bring but strictly no alcohol
Yeah, they were old enough to drink and thought that they were big, until it all went bad and then they say they are only kids.
I'm curious to know how many were charged with assaulting Mr Mui & why wasn't he asked if he wanted to press charges ?
You aren’t really “asked” if you want to press charges. The DA can charge anything he/she deems is a crime. A victim/witness can express this to a DA/ADA, but ultimately the decision comes down to what the DA/ADA wants to do. And they weigh this decision by many factors. The ADA/DA also has an ethical responsibility in regards to what could happen, if it went to trial, the toll, defense attorneys cross of victim/witnesses, does it outweigh protection of public
Great point. And, zero effort to identify who supplied the alcohol to them.
exactly zero were charged. Shameful
Obnoxious illegally drunk/high “kids” (nearly adult young men) harassing a man that was just trying to help his friend find a phone who was soon surrounded by more drunk high people yelling and screaming at him. He looked helpless trying to get to his friends and there were people in HIS way. This is a trial of unfortunate events and everyone should take responsibility for their part. Self defense…not guilty.
They weren't kids. They acted like they needed an adult and then go on to orotect that woman as men. Kids doesn't apply. They were fit, the size of grown men and only 1 yr away from legally being grown men. 13 yr olds are prosecuted as adults but now all the sudden most if these dumb ass people are stuck on the words the prosecutor kept throwing out. Kids kids kids. Sorry, my rant isn't at you, just dumb people and that word kids like it makes them any less culpable.
Courts do not require someone to pull the trigger to find out if the gun is loaded. He has no requirement to retreat, his exits were blocked, he had been physically assaulted (pushed to go downriver by both women) and had given verbal warnings to not touch him.
If Miu hadn’t lied about the knife and his involvement, this would be an easy acquittal.
Should have waited for the lawyer bro. NEVER talk to the police
Imagine someone kills your child and gets away with it because they took your advice. You guys don't even realise what you are saying.
If someone killed your kid you would want them to talk to police so they are easier to convict. But now, you will have to see killers walk not because they were innocent, but because they knew to keep their mouth shut. Have it your way then.
@@D-Trezyou have to teach ur little kid to not to bully
@@D-Trez imagine a pack of drunk & stoned thugs attack & beat your dad who's just recovered from heart surgery whilst calling him a pedo and recording it for fun
@@D-Trezmy kid wouldn’t be a loudmouth bullying a-hole.
This case is the perfect example of why I generally avoid people and especially groups of people. People these days are so overcome with fear that they become dangerous! Also once a group of people get into group-think you’re looking at mass psychosis basically.
Yeah! It’s the assumptions that everyone is is dangerous and people not having communication skills anymore.
I first thought this was self-defense. I no longer think that!!! He charged at the kids first. He’s also an adult who should have WALKED AWAY!!! Who gives a sh*t that they called him names if he was a bigger person and ignored them, this would have never happened!!!!
God bless you for having the courage to realise what is really go here and admit that you were wrong. It is a great day when person realises they were wrong. I would rather be proved wrong every day in order to take me out of ignorance. Many people are so lost in darkness that they will never see the truth.
Even them calling him a pedofile only happened after he came crashing out of nowhere and started touching up the kids. Even am adult from his own group warned him that if he went over there he would look like a pedofile. And yet the kids, who some might say have been s3xually molested after he groped their legs, have been demonised for calling him what his own friend said he would appear as. I knew this guy was evil just from the tiny little bit of info that I knew. But the more I am learning I am shocked by it. This guy lied about everything from the beginning and even tried to put the knife that he pulled out and used into the hand of the kid he stabbed, in order to justify his actions. I'm disgusted by this evil man.
@@D-Trezno
@@D-Trezyou are reetarted lmao 😂
@sean7854 lol ignore them, their constant comments prove they are not the brightest pashmina in the wardrobe.
Lying to protect yourself from the police is not the same as shouting lies about a man on a river to attract an angry mob. One is protective, one is evil and malicious. I don’t care that he lied to protect himself. He should have remained silent until his lawyer arrived.
Listen to yourself. The kids called him what the killers own friend said he would look like if he went over there, a pedo. Yet he still goes crashing into their world, touches up their legs and then pulls out a knife when they rightly curse him out. And then on top of that, after he pulls out the knife, opens and has it ready in his hand, he initiated contact by pushing a female while he has am open knife in his hand. And this is without even mentioning that he lied to police and said the knife belonged to the kid. Or that he then washing the knife and his hands, discards the knife and calmly returns to his group without mentioning anything.
He even lied and said they took his goggles and pulled down his pants.
If he said he was afraid, why on earth would anyone believe him? The guy is a proven ruthless liar.
Evil?! I guess you have never been yelled at. Last I heard, you can't kill someone because they yell at you.
and they lied to him that a lawyer wouldn't be available till Monday
@@D-Trez I've been watching this trial from the beginning and now this?! It's really hard to watch - uneffingbelievable. Well said. What a travesty. I cannot handle a liar, let alone this entire interview smh
@michellstarre4840 then you must have really struggled when the Carlson group and "kids" were testifying. Hope you're okay.
They got the wrong person on trial here. Its disgusting. Each one of tbose "kids" should have been charged with manslaugjter. They are 10x more responsible for the death that occurred. What a shame this mans life has been turned upside down. #notguilty
After watching the video it was self defense don’t matter that he threw the knife away I wouldn’t want it in my hands after that and he thought no one would believe him he didn’t know the video would show self defense
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How embarrassing Prosecutor…that’s bs‼️
The prosecutor will have a great future printing out boilerplate wills and used car sales agreements.
Yes, Nik lied. However, the prosecution has not proven that he intended to kill or that he had “malice aforethought.”
One died & four others wounded 🤦♂️🤦♂️
They haven't even proven who assaulted who first. Duxbury, who was part of the second group with the females who approached him, testified that her friend may have assaulted Miu first after watching the video and recounting her own memories from that day. She was right there during the physical altercation
His grinning while having the knife wielded was his pre-spree response
@@bahe37no that’s not what she said. The question was did Maddie put her hands on him. That is what she answered. Putting your hands and pushing or hitting someone are two very different things. She said I don’t know if she put her hands on him. You’re misinterpreting her answer.
He literally pulled out a knife, opened it, and held it at the ready before deciding to start slashing at kids half his weight and age.
Sure as hell looks like self defense, from a pack of drunks, attacking the guy.
Bullshit..looks like murder..
Underage drinking is a crime. The drunk women escalated it. Nobody should have touched him. Terrible tragedy. Self defense.
This man staying in prison. Life no parole!
Those kids should be locked up for underage drinking!
Self defence is NOT with a weapon IF the others have NO WEAPON. Self defence is someone dies with No weapon. ALSO HE STARTED IT. SLAPPING A WOMAN..
Exactly!
@@neilsabaroche2252not any of that is true 😂
Most states are giving dangerous repeat offenders no bail and this poor man has been in jail the whole time? What is wrong with Minnesota?
Its Wisconsin but I agree
If it were MN they have stand your ground law he wouldn't be here
This man staying in prison!
@@kirsty3253 I don't think so. MN is the most woke state in the midwest. He's lucky it happened in WI where he still has a chance to be acquitted.
@@kirsty3253 Minnesota doesn’t have a stand your ground law, it does however, have a castle law.
The only thing he is guilty of is lying about the knife. He lied about the knife because he probably thought he would get in trouble for having one.
He lied about being involved in the officers car.
He lied about everything from the beginning. He even claimed they took his goggles.
But notice how such a liar is someone you are willing to make excuses for based on not what you know, but what you imagine ("probably").
Uhm, did you watch the same interrogation video that I did? He lied about SO MUCH. To his friends/wife, to the police, to the interrogator… and now he’s sitting on the stand lying some more.
@@rationalskeptic1 yes he lied about the whole thing and I really wish he would've owned up to that on the stand. Although he lied, it still doesn't change my opinion that he was absolutely defending himself. I think the jury would respect him more if he were to have said "yes, I lied about the whole incident. I was scared and in self preservation mode. I don't know why I lied and I regret that, but I truly feared for my life during the incident and did what I had to do defend myself"
Lol "the only thing he is guilty of is lying about the knife". Did you miss the whole case... He told tons of lies. He also tried to flee the scene instead of helping the people he stabbed.. if he didnt mean to harm them and was just defending himself why didnt he help them after and then tell a bunch of lies? If he was accidentally stabbing people in the moment for self defense.. why not help them after?
The kids could of WALKED AWAY too. But they were the lynch mob! They wanted a fight n they got one!
this is a victimized man exercising his right to self-defense.
Why does the younger prosecutor always have to whisper directives to the older prosecutor?!?
He likely did the actual work on the case is my guess. Older one might be there cause he might have more courtroom experience but he sucks lol.
How would you feel if these animals treated your father like that? Think about it because these young people have no respect for anything or anyone. This man must be released.
You sound insane! Your "father" f around and tried to play Rambo, wordlessly invading children's personal space, knife in tow, and found out that this is not communist Romania of the 80s.
Despicable behavior of an old idiotic man who could've just walked away, but instead he's paying with his life for trying to prove his cowardly ego 😂
If someone did this to my dad and he wasn’t adult enough to walk away from the situation and then he killed a kid and put other people in the hospital……I would be disappointed IN HIM. Because kids have an excuse for being assholes- scientific reasons- this man ran up on kids to scare them and they didn’t respond in the way he wanted so he “showed them”. So yeah, if my dad did what this psycho did- which he never would do- I would be sick to my stomach and apologizing for his disgusting behavior to the kids mom he killed.
ALSO- he fucking ran, threw the knife, changed his appearance, didn’t tell anyone in his group OR law enforcement he was involved, floated for 1/2 hour allowing women in his group to think some maniac with a knife would pop out while he splashed and had fun in the tubes, he walked past a cop with his gun drawn and said NOTHING, he then lied over and over and over to the cops about what happened. If that isn’t subconscious guilt telling him what he did was wrong- idk what is. He KNEW what he did was wrong. And that’s because WORDS ARE NOT ASSAULT. They are protected by our first amendment- so what those CHILDREN said to him IS IRRELEVANT. PERIOD.
I hope this jury rules on evidence and not emotions. I hate that someone lost their life but they were cruel to that older man. I can definitely see where he would fear for his life. They were so hateful and ugly to him. Hurts my heart.
“Being cruel” with WORDS doesn’t justify pulling a knife out and then hitting someone in the face who has barely touched you. I too hope they judge on evidence and not Miu’s fragile emotions. Madison was yelling at him to GO AWAY. Why didn’t he?! If he had, and hadn’t chosen to start a physical fight, we wouldn’t be here right now. He chose that path, and now he wants to claim that he was in the right for stabbing them? When some of them he had to literally REACH OUT in order to stab? Give me a break. He chose violence when they chose “disrespectful words” (To start). He knew he couldn’t win without a knife, so he took it out, got it ready, then attacked. He took out the knife BEFORE HITTING HER. He knew they would retaliate and then he’d have an excuse for “self defense” . Of course they’re going to retaliate against him hitting a woman. He knew what he was doing, and immediately tried covering it up and playing dumb and “forgetting” oh so convenient things. Thank GOD for that video and all of the witnesses who saw him hit her first. Thank god he’s being exposed as a massive liar.
By the way, when did getting punched a couple times = fear for life? ACTUALLY-when did getting *told to leave and gently pushed in a direction away from people by a female 1/2 your size* = fear for life? Because THATS when he took out his deadly force.. when a female gently pushes him to leave, and “mean words” are being said about him. Boo hoo, you’re the adult, the other adult is telling you to get out of there.. but you don’t… WHY? Because your ego is bruised and you want to shut them up with a fight, that’s why. Well here’s the consequences for that stupid decision.
@@rationalskeptic1they assaulted him, end of story.
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@@rationalskeptic1your answer is biased and stupid. However, for someone who seems to be used to such conflicts, how would you handle such an attack? Try to take his position.
They did rule with evidence and not emotion. The man who ran up and made first physical contact and continued to stay in a space that was already occupied against the wishes of the kids who were there was convicted of the murder he caused and carried out. They didn’t let the fact that he acted like a sad old man impact the reality that he was an angry aggressive man who started a fight with a bunch of kids.
You all did AMAZING in covering this trial! And I love Eric Nelson. Great questions and commentary. Thank you so much for all those who worked so hard on this trial to give the public so much understanding!
I hope the jury finds him not guilty
Sorry🙄
Really , NOT a Chance.... He killed a man and stabbed a girl who never even threatened him. If you really believe he's not guilty YOU are what's wrong with this country.
@@The22v10really, the whole groupl bullied the man, 13 vs 1 pushing the buy down, now on the stand the State witnesses lied badly.
Kid brought this to themselves.
Wrong person on trial here
@@The22v10the girl went over to hit him dumbass
Of course they will find him not guilty of 1st degree homicide. Absolutely ridiculous charge, not appropriate for this case. That man spent 2 years in jail for defending himself which was punishment enough.
There's a group of teen supporters here that may not like the fact that the teenagers started this whole thing and they were the only aggressors. Miu was defending himself and spent 2 years in jail for it. That's scary
Self-defense = NOT GUILTY
Suspicious why the one person this supposedly was about never the stand. I have a problem with that. I believe that NM. Feared for his life. You can't go frame by frame to convict someone of murder. These teens behavior is why this happened. I am so sorry for the familys but I believe Nic truly feared for his life.
Frame by frame. Good point… did you notice when the prosecutor says he’s touching the knife in his pocket he’s actually in mid stride with his hand naturally swinging close to the pocket? Then they freeze frame it right there. Two separate times.
She did take the stand but she was off-camera.
@@belleslettres354 I was wondering where he testimony was at in the trial.
There was no punch.
That's why she refused to testify. ( edited....found out she did in fact testify just mot shown.... I wonder why .)
After the forensic dump of her phone found no picture of her bruises, that she said she deleted... she knew it was over and the whole case would be blown.
@@princessoffire1107Madison testified on Day 2 of the trial.
@@mariaa.2622 thsnk you for telling this aa i coukd not find it
@@princessoffire1107 She did testify, and she requested not having it recorded. If Miu had punched her with his right hand, as the witnesses claimed, she would have gotten a joker smile afterwards.
That speaks volumes...she knows what she did n what she said
The prosecutor did the ole switch aroo.. he knows those kids started talking and harassing him first then he went towards them… but the lawyer is trying to make it seem otherwise
You even said it yourself the kids were TALKING to him! He became the aggressor when he lunged at their tubes and then again when he punched the girl.
And he’s not making it seem otherwise it literally is the other way around.
@@esk2g He didn't punch the girl though.
@@sargecomstat4755 maybe, but he stabbed her.
@@esk2g when he went towards the boys tubes YOU can hear him tell them “you get out of here” … those entitled kids should have kept it moving then called the cops if they feared so much.
Prayers Mr . Mui 🙏
This judge is bias as hell it seems. He is with the prosecution.
I feel real pity for this man. Minding his business and now on trial, just because of some drunk little shits. All 13 of the bystanders should be on trial for this mans death.
just self-defense
Miu stated the teenagers grabbed his snorkel and ripped his mask off his face. The video shows that he dropped his own snorkel and goggles while he was grabbing and shoving the teenage group's tubes.
Time served, indict all other participants ‼️
I keep going back and forth!! Guilty, not guilty, guilty...if i were a juror...id find him guilty but of a much lesser charge. Much less
He ultimately was the adult and ahould have backed away. Shame on those kids though.. parents raised them all wrong
he's done two years already and i don't think he has any way to redress the detainment. bail was set to 1 million and wife divorced him meanwhile.
i honestly agree about the lesser charge.
If they do find him guilty it will probably be time served.. I definitely wouldn’t be able to say he needs to spend his life in prison. I really do think it was self defence and a trauma reaction. Fight or flight.
I will never go to the Apple River. If Miu is found guilty, the teens feel they can treat older people how ever they want. They need to be charge for something also. Many of them lied, they said when the adults were there, they felt safe. These adults were of age adults, but acted just like the teens. What are we teaching our teens??? They were rude and picked on this older guy. I don't what I would do if they all came around me. If there is no reprecusion for these teens, its on you all. They are very disrespectful and were bullies and loved it and if Miu is made guilty, we just gave them more power to bully older people. How are these people raising these kids???? I am glad to do not live there.
This man obviously was in fear for his life and defended it within his right in my opinion. These drunk young men got the short end of the stick by being bullies and trying to draw a crowd by calling this man words that could have gotten him killed by some people who have.an extreme hate for those. It's too bad that one lost his life but the others should be thankful and learn a serious life lesson from this. Only thing this man is guilty of is being in shock and scared thus lying about a few things in the aftermath. The whole thing happens in 22 seconds which is extremely fast and he reacted in the way he felt was necessary. We don't have the luxury of pausing and rewinding real life and dissecting it like they are trying to do with this video analysis to make it look like it was premeditated. NOT GUILTY is my verdict.
Was definitely not PREMEDITATED!👍
As a father of two boys I hurt for the family. But the the teens were the aggresors. And I believe it was self defense. And futhermore.. I would have done the same thing that Mr. Miu did. Except I would have kept the knife and not lied about it cause I would know it was self defense.
Best thing, you do not talk to the police, specially if you're innocent.
100%
And hopefully you would end up in jail too.
I also have 2 boys and I agree with you. Although I don’t think I would have talked to police at all. I would have been afraid that the other people would have lied and it would be their (collective) word against mine.
Not guilty.
the kids were like rabid banshee's lol they should apologize and move on.
Nic is well spoken, answers all questions with confidence and very thorough, where as all involved that has thus far been questioned were poor in communication skills, rehearsed, “I don’t remember” seemed like the only response given when pertained to their actions, and they all seemed like most the time couldn’t comprehend the questions being asked. Unfortunate the outcome for Nik…
Miu can't remember that nobody had a knife? How convenient. Now his selective memory got him 90 years in prison. Well deserved.
I think the boys should be changed with something.
So, Mr. Miu thought the black kid had the lost phone. That's why he approached the black kid when it all started.
I Think the kids DID have the phone !
And it seems that they did find it. A sober girl said on the stand that she found and used a phone to dial 911
Miu said he saw Ariel's phone and the way he run up to their tube looks just like it. I think that was what really happened before it all went south
They said in trial that it was later found at the river and was returned.
So, instead of verbally communicating he lunged. I don't think he stumbled. Plus, if he had simply asked, Jawahn would have told him. From the beginning he barely said a word. He did not clearly communicate to them while approaching. It is not normal for a man to approach a group like that. Whatever he allegedly said, was not clearly communicated so that the whole group could hear him say it.
If I approached a group, I would be talking as I was approaching them. He was acting suspicious, weird, creepy. Quinton said he saw Miu go up and touch their tubes from behind before he went around them and turned around to face them which is basically when Jawahn started filming. He said he started filming because Miu was acting weird. The guys were terrible and overreacted to Miu. BUT, he overreacted and initiated physical contact in the first 6 seconds. G2 approached and overreacted. Maddie and Ryhley touched him and shouldn't have. BUT, once again he could have walked away. They were all telling him to leave. He didn't respond verbally much to anyone and overreacted to the gals. He hit her and already had his knife out. He acted terribly. They behaved badly.
Several people could have walked away, made better choices.
He was too close to G1. I don't know why he thought the phone would be in that area. He was over 230' from his group.
@@thomasgrygienc9925 This is such a stretch. It sounded like it was found eventually.
Whos phone was it that the only sober girl had found and used to dial 911?
The phone is eventually found. That would explain the whole interaction. If the teens found it and were hiding it and Miu saw it
No because she was with G2. They had nothing to do with that. G1 is who he allegedly told he was looking for a phone, although he was over 230' from his group. So, I don't know why he thought it was that far from them.
G1 wasn't hiding the phone. No one was. It was found by investigators.
@@menarussell you are right. Because she said i found a phone, then stopped as if she wasn't supposed to say that, and carried on, i though that's the phone that she had found in the G1 tubes after the stabbings.. Well, i found out later that investigators found it in the river and returned it to the owner..thanks for the info tho
Initially, I was all for this man getting life in prison. After watching the video in real time, I, myself, got confused and nervous watching it all play out. Listening to him, I now feel so bad for this guy. The boys encircling him and berating him en masse, was the moment he snapped. I might have too!
You're insane just like Miu
He should've considered WALKING AWAY.
@@thetruecrimeconnoisseurwhy should he? Those teenagers don’t own the freaking river. They decided to be a-holes instead of offering to help him find his phone.
Self defense 💯
I don’t think the state has come close to proving murder charges beyond a reasonable doubt. I think these charges are outrageous in this set of circumstances. Shame on this prosecutor!
I showed 3 of my children the video-my 21 year old daughter and 17 year old son blame the teens in the group. My 18 year old daughter blamed Mr Miu. I feel he should have walked away, but if in that position being rallied against and pushed into water-I might do the same(if I had a knife). So sad all the way 😢
So...whos going to tell the prosecutor we can hear hm when he whispers.....who?
@@InLieuTube hahaha 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
every court room I've been in has signs that state they are audio recorded and that whispers will be recorded as well
he was trying to walk towards his group but maddie was pushing the other way omg this prosecutor is annoying
He only defense his self if you want to bully someone you have to be ready with consequences
Zero social/ soft skills on both sides
Both sides lied. The video that Mr. Cockfield speaks for itself. Instead of harassing the man the young men helped him find the phone everyone would be alive.
He never asked them to help. They asked him what he was doing and he wouldn’t ever respond. The video does speak for itself. It’s speaks 30 to life for Nic.
Cockfield the real MVP! Finna keep this creep in prison!
He said he was looking for a phone. And they started saying he was looking for little girls. They were high and drunk acting like idiots and thought that was so funny to say he was a pedophile rapist…”he looked weird”. I bet Nic did think they took the missing phone and that’s why he ran up to them in the first place.
@@beckygabriel4473 yeah and you don’t get to charge someone and grab their legs because you suspect them of finding your lost phone and not giving it back. It wasn’t even his phone so he physically threatened them over thinking they could have someone else’s property. He started the whole issue and yes they were obnoxious and rude but all the violence started with Nick.
Drunk old man insist on they were stealing his stuff, Drunk teenagers assuming he's a pedophile and miscellaneous bystander Missunderstood the situation 😮 EVERYONE WAS CONFUSED AND DRUNK AND ALL NEEDED TO WALK AWAY
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The defendant Mr. Miu blew a 0.0% when breathalyzed. He was the most sober one there.
The teenagers LIED about him being a pedophile. Dont blame evil acts on alcohol. They never thought he was, they were taunting him.
It was hard for Mui to walk away when Maddie got up in his face screaming and swearing and blocked his path to his friends.
When is the final hearing? What date exactly?
If he showed the knife they would of all jumped him its not a gun is a Swiss army knife.... I wish he explained that in the cop car he was being dodgy asking whats happening and he said in the interrogation they were all still fighting and screaming at each other when he escaped ... the cops also did find a kitchen knife.. whats that about...
Pretty sure Miu claimed in the interrogation that one of the kids had a kitchen knife.
I believe N.M feared for his life. Suspicious that the girl this was supposedly all over never took the stand. Why is that?
Maddie? She did take the stand. Just didn’t want to be recorded.
@@anniehallnzand deleted her fake injury photo 🙄
@@kristineclaffey5239 exactly!
Two main perpetrators Jawahn and Maddie! Both should be charged for instigating this entire situation leading to stabbings and death.
10000000000000000000% i agree
Harassment, inciting violence, assault underage drinking, drugs disrupting the peace etc etc
Absolutely agree. Their actions caused someone to feel threatened and he defended himself. Now everyone’s pissed at him. It is like extreme gaslighting. If I was a juror based on what I know..not guilty. No way.
100%
@@o63rb Miu is the Adult here. Recognizing these "KIDS" were all drunk .... He should have left immediately!!!
This is such a sad situation for all involved.
My heart breaks for this man. He was a victim protecting himself. And ended up in jail. Makes me sad some trashy women escalated this situation .
Every man has his breaking point, as Red in Shawshank Prison said. Apparently Mr. Miu's limit has been reached.
Anyone whos has been attacked by a group of people would understand his position... Those people should not have done that to him he was defending himself against multiple people and used a force multiplier to even the odds. Its too bad someone died and people got hurt but they started attacking him.
HE APPROACHED THEM!!!!
He wasn't hostile they were@@peppergod1
@@peppergod1only because they were raising a phone so he thought they had found the one he was looking for
You walk away, you weirdo 😂
Don't forget that Nicolae Mui was born in Romania and lived there until age 15. ROMANIA is one of the most violent, and corrupt countries in the world. I hope his lawyer understands the extent of the PTSD he must suffer in dangerous situations due to growing up in such terror. That is why he responded to the attack on July 30th, 2022 and the perceived threats in the subsequent follow-up with the police lieutenant.
he tossed the knife
Wow your comment was good.. and on point... didn't even think about where he came from, but he still NOT GUILTY 😢
I agree with every point you made in this comment. Then why would he lie so many times? If it was self-defense, then why would the person lie over and over? He got rid of the knife, he said he took the boys knife and turned it into their belly, and acted as if he knew nothing. I truly feel you would stick around and say that you were attacked and say how sorry you are that it got to this point. I don't understand because not one time has he said he regretted what happened that day or that he was sorry for the loss of life that day. It's truly strange.
@@Encantado215 You would have kept the bloody knife? As a memento?
Perhaps you didn't hear when Mr Niu said he'd never felt that way before in his life. Just because he was born and somewhat raised in Romania and in the military doesn't mean he'd been afraid for his life before the way he was that day.
Listening late in the game. I find the judge's jury instructions to be biased towards the prosecution.
wrong day .. but How does that College keep the kid taping this? Future Football Star?
5:45:58 cross examination begins
self-defense on nicolea part
1. the teens were clearly taunting nic
2. the knife was pulled out, the 'victims' saw the knife and they didn't back away, they did the opposite they inch further towards
3. the female that was supposedly 'attacked' wasn't here to testify and confirm she was hit by nic
4. the 'victims' all have contradictory and loose claims about the female being hit
5. the 'victims' all agree they were taunting and embarrassing nic with lies accusing him of being a pedo and a rapist, therefore their claims of him hitting a woman is even further buried and lose credibility
6. nic doesn't stab anyone until he got back up from a tackle and a punch to the face that could've knocked him out and left him drowning in the water
7. nic does claim to have physical impairments from the altercation
for those who said that nic is lying to the cops, he admits to but that doesn't excuse the main event taking place for what it is. lying to the cops is one thing but the video clearly showing nic in deep waters while the teens never backed off is another.
You are misinformed as to your point #3, she DID testify. She was the only witness who chose, as is her right, to do so WITHOUT cameras.
All of your claims demonstrate guilty as charged.
Even your claim for "7" that he "claims to have physical impairments after the altercation", is coming from a man that lied all the way through from the beginning. His lies included putting his knife that he pulled out into the hand of the kid that he killed. He is ruthless liar. If he could, he would pin it on you to save his own a$$.
@@D-Trezno, none of that proves murder in the 1st degree.
Nope. None of what you wrote is factually true. If he would have got the knife out and warned them they’d have backed up. They didn’t even know anyone was stabbed bc it happened so fast and sneakily. He is ex military.
@@esk2g WI is not a duty to retreat state. He was not required to warn anyone after he has been physically assaulted.
What does it matter that he was in the military? I think the fact that he was still recovering from a quadruple bypass when he was attacked by these criminals is more relevant.
no alcohol should ever be allowed again at Apple Valley River this came about due to alcohol bartender for 3o yrs observing people behavior in every jandra you can think of Alcohol caused this
I don’t know why it is allowed on any river in that way. Water is so dangerous without adding alcohol. You can’t stop all people but to openly allow it to the point where teenagers can do it in the open is a bad environment to start with.
134 lb teenager should know better than approach a 250 lb man , this is a result of alcohol it ain't called courage in a bottle for nothing
watch the video mamm.
Miu had beers, too.
G1 was minding their own business, down in their tubes over 230' away from Miu and his group. He approached them and very oddly, very non-verbally. He did not clearly communicate to the group what he was doing over there so close to them. It WAS weird. Jawahn felt uncomfortable. They were obnoxious but, still had the feeling to be suspicious of an older man approaching them. They misbehaved verbally. But, even after he lunged at them while they were down in their tubes and touched their tubes and legs, they were not standing and didn't touch him.
They continued being bad verbally, calling him out because they weren't sure what he was doing, although Owen said he said he was looking for a phone, the whole group did not hear that. Jawahn said he started filming because Miu was acting weird and suspicious. They called for help.
G2 approached. Young adults. Maddie and Ryhley touched him and shouldn't have. BUT, he once again, overreacted to them. So, her group defended her.
A lot of people did wrong, overreacted and made bad decisions.
Only one from G1 touched Miu to defend Maddie and possibly defend Rhyley, Isaac, who is gone forever. No one else from G1 touched Miu.
I do agree alcohol played a role. Miu Drank, too. His BAC apparently wasn't measured. But, the others were which is wrong. On the day of the crimes and knowing he was definitely involved and did the stabbing, I think they should have tested him.
Nothing Nic said after the incident matters. Lies or not. There’s videos of the actual events showing self defense, his life was in danger. PERIOD!
No it wasn’t he could have walked away at anytime…
He was surrounded. That’s what the Jurors will see. They assaulted Nic, things might have been different if he wasn’t attacked first.
So your saying he was not able to walk away at anytime before he got hit?
Exactly and law is that we have to put ourselves in he's shoes to see he's fear and threats to he's self and life. It's he's perspective not ours self defense all the way drop charges
@@carolinagirl740 lol right
There are words and concepts that were not used by the defense and the defendant. Mr. Miu must have said -
"I was not only affraid of the 6 drunk boys. I feared, being paedophily such a heinious crime, that other persons in the river could hear they calling me a child molester and that a mob instinct began to escalate, with the youngsters and adults where I could even be lynched. Crowds are unpredictable"
Finally someone telling the TRUTH on the stand. Nic, I hope you go free and you take all those liars and morons to civil court!
Court TV has decided to find him guilty n pushes their opinion now w photos n clips showig him in bad light. He was terrified... As anyone would have been in that situation
You sound insane 😂
They most definitely over charged and it will probably cost them the case. I don’t see a guilty verdict on 1st degree ., .. alcohol weed water floating devices knives all bad combination
Wrong! 😂🤪
Self defense
If you side with the prosecution and you see the video and believe those kids were Innocentvictims then you either have children that are belligerent, spoiled, out of control, rude OR you are a child with those traits. If you side with a defense then you probably raised your children do not display such behavior or treat an individual in this manner. Or you are a child who has been raised by decent parents to treat people decently. I mean come on man even on the stand the guy keeps calling the most offensive woman “a lady“ and she was far from a lady. And I DO believe that he raised his hand to her. But I believe that’s all he did. I think a couple people saw him raise his hand and jump to a conclusion because they were looking for some reason. They were begging for a reason and they were worked up into a frenzy. She got shoved out of his face but they interpreted that as a punchAnd then they all got together because they knew that his only defense would be if they could prove he was the initial aggressor
This isn't about the kids behavior. It really isn't. Why you think people deserve to die because a group of young, drunk guys are out of hand and taunting a guy who is invading their space is beyond me. Miu triggered this by hitting a female from the intervening group all the while checking to make sure his knife is there to use. How about judging the 50 year old on a rather futile drunken quest for a lost phone in a large, wide river when they didn't even know when it fell. Heck, the guy who lost the phone wasn't even bothering with looking! If he wasn't so hammered and used basic communication or walked away at any time nobody dies even if the guys are obnoxious and drunk.
@@thisismajortom A person is allowed to defend themselves when they have been punched down and beat down multiple times and the situation is escalating which is clear on the video. The mob is increasingly violent. Which is clear on the video. I mean it’s like a song building to a violent crescendo. I don’t know why this is an obvious to everyone. But as I stated in my earlier comment you must belong to the first category. Judging by your name I’m going to guess you’re about my age. I agree that we were all kids at one time, but not only was I taught not to treat my elders in such a manner but because the way I was raised I just simply would not have participated in such vile behavior. And I don’t believe you would have either. Yes their behavior is not what is on trial here. I don’t believe and I never will believe that he actually punched that girl. I am almost positive that he did raise his hand to either knock her face or hand away but I do not believe he punched her. I also believe that all those kids on the witness stand were made aware of the requirements (who was the first physical aggressor) in order to cater their testimony to the actual punch. One kid who is actually shown on the video to be looking in the other direction still insisted that she was punched even though he didn’t see it. I also don’t believe that the man intended on killing anybody, I think he was just trying to deter them away from himself. The one young man who got opened up from stomach to sternum what is because of unintended movements during the scuffle. You only have to watch the video and that scene in slow motion to see if that is the case. I will never believe that the man intended to kill people, I think he had PTSD, I think that when he went down and was Getting punched in the screaming was getting louder and the mob was getting more out-of-control he felt he had no options left
Such a horrible situation for all involved! I have a 17 year old son and could NEVER ever even imagine him treating another human being this way! Especially an adult! But there are 17 yr olds that still act like kids and kids can be cruel, can act be rude, irresponsible and behave as though they are invisible… No one deserves to die or be injured and harassed.. My heart hurts so badly for Isaac’s mom and for Nick as well.. I just wish things would have been handled differently by all that day… So very sad and tragic for all involved and injured.. prayers ❤
Breaking down video frame by frame... which they claimed, was 24 stills to one second. Doesn't give you the real time action. It happened so fast, not the way the State is trying to make it seem.