Apple River stabbing trial: Friend of victim speaks
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- Alexander Vang spoke about the events that led up to the fatal Apple River stabbing on July 30, 2022.
Nicolae Miu is charged with first-degree intentional homicide and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide. He is accused of killing Stillwater, Minnesota, native 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and wounding four others on July 30, 2022.
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Vang- I smoked some Weed
Prosecutor- By Weed you mean Marijuana?
Vang- Yes Please🫣😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Well, he misunderstood the prosecutor: "You NEED Marijuana?"
- "Yes, please!"
🤣😂🤣
At least Alex did not put his hands on the man. 😂
@@warriorloftfat boy had plenty of layers of protection. Wouldn’t of even noticed
Definitely dont want that kid as a global leader.
He was absolutely NOT very scared! He was laughing like a jackass
At that moment they were taunting a man claiming to be a pedophile… but the man then chose to start murdering people and obviously the threat level increased.
@@jesintajesinta The claim that he told them that he was looking for little girls was never mentioned to police and was never recorded on that day. It was tacked on to the narrative just weeks before the trial after they all had time to make up something to make them look better. Is NM innocent of all blame? I definitely don’t think so, and his actions after the stabbings are not supportive of his claims of self defense either. All of this could have been avoided.
@@traceyarnaud8433 it doesn’t matter that it wasn’t mentioned. Considering people were stabbed that was a pretty mute point to mention on part of the victims. Just because it wasn’t recorded doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I’ve made police reports and it’s very difficult to summarize everything in that level of stress and anxiety. Things always become clearer in time.
@@traceyarnaud8433 he murdered someone… attempted to murder four others… all of which were unarmed and never made threats to him physically or otherwise.
@@jesintajesintathe fact that not a single person mentioned it and that’s supposedly the reason for them messing w the guy in the first place it is very fishy
The only victim in this story is Nicolae Miu.
This is why I avoid all confrontation. You never know peoples intentions.
Not even intentions, I doubt anyone involved wanted this. But yeah no one knows where strangers are mentally or how stable they are to be confronted with everything that happened here
Always arm yourself wherever you go in America. This is not a great country. This is the land of all kind of killer
That is the verdict
Facts
Nowadays is best to ignore and walk away; as respectful conversations for resolution.....a thing of the past. PEACE and blessings 🌺.
Everybody remembers him hitting her...just none of the details right before, during, or after. 🤯
Right! No police photos of her face, no testimony from her, and no evidence that she ever went down. Her hair was dry and she didn't drop her phone or beer. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure ANY of these jerks ever dropped their beers. Maybe they should do a commercial...Beer so good, you just can't put it down...not when you're scared...not when you're assaulting someone...not even when your friend is bleeding out.
That's bc the girl used the men around her to get back at the guy for standing his ground
@@jovanalmen8660omg that is so crass but so on point
He was holding the knife already at that point so I very much doubt it was a punch. At most he may have pushed her to get her out of his space and that was all the hyenas needed to justify pouncing, they were looking for a reason to. We’ve all seen obnoxious chicks do this to cause chaos. They get up in a strangers face because they think they can do so without physical consequences and then start a fight, if we look into her background I’m sure she’s done similar things before.
@@jovanalmen8660brilliant
Thees kids should be in jail
I'm not entirely sure it's that black and white.
I've wasted my time watching every single one of these testimonies, I've still got a few to go.
It seems to me, that Nicolae had made a mistake brandishing a weapon.
However, it 'was' justified, but it is what caused primal instincts to kick in.
...and because Nicolae didn't ask for any of this, nor did he deserve any of this, everyone else should be charged.
Nicolae should be charged with manslaughter in worst case scenario.
The kids should go to trial, but only few of them are culpable. Definitely, a few of them.
@@delroypure5671 Clearly self-defense.
He wasn't crying while him and his gang were terrorizing the old man. Why is he crying now?
@38:35 Mr. Vang, "I was scared because it was 9 of us vs 1 of him".
*Shows picture of Mr. Vang laughing*
Now....if Mr. Vang was scared for being in the group of 9....how does Mr. Mui feel being in the group of 1?
I believe he is sincere and his tears are real. He and his friends made a string of extremely stupid decisions that resulted in completely avoidable death and injuries. They have to live with Isaac's death for the rest of their lives. He seems like a decent young man with a conscience. He will be haunted by this day forever.
The old man killed a child and stabbed 4 others. And the old man was the one terrorized?
He absolutely is just an innocent victim. this murderer inserted himself in that situation refused to leave them alone when asked multiple times and swung first on a girl no less. then when he got jumped for it he "felt threatened" gutted a guy and stabbed 4 more for no reason. one of the little girls he stabbed didnt even know what was going on and had her back to him at the time.
@@jamison1280 they were all ganging up on him....did you see the video these "children" antagonized and hit this man...are you for real??? He will get off on self defense.
Am I the only one who actually saw how the 'kids" were behaving
Yeh "college kids"😂😂
No your not they just hate men so they feel they should ignore the facts that these drunks were underage to have alcohol and were clearly under the influence and dud infact disturb the man's peace commuted assault and disorderly conduct & all are lying about the hard liquor they were all drinking it!! The man was mobbed snd attacked a d had every right to defend himself. None of them are innocent and the mam is only someone who lawfully defended himself at best they got him for use of a nife as a deadly weapon nothing more. He should counter sue.
I saw it too! Mr. Miu is not guilty!
they were literally all drunk and high
In that state every young is a victim or they know how to act like victims!
Idk why the Asian dude he keep saying blonde white lady
This guys is seen in the video laughing his ass off as the accused is taunted and swarmed.
Wow! still NO excuse for a grown ass! man gutting a teenager to death!
Smh.
poor snowflake. charges at teenagers, creeps around, refusing to leave and then has a deadly tantrum when 'teased'
Protecting the guy looking for little girls huh
Okay…… then his friend was killed. The kids were punks but……?
@@GrimpleGrombleAnd Miu’s story changed up a couple times
This kid was cackling like a hyena enjoying watching his friends bullying and harassing a man his father's age. What a coward. All these people live in a small town where they know each other or know someone who does. The Jury was pressured to convict because the family of the dead kid is staring at them with hopes for retribution, and the jury members have to live in that town after the trial is over. There were many things stacked against Miu. He deserves punishment for lying to cops but he was defending himself against a mob of drunken fools who were being violent with him. These kids will have to live with the consequences of their thoughtless actions. Can you imagine going for a job interview after this event? Can you imagine meeting the father of the girl you started dating and the father recognized you as the hooligan who tormented and threatened an old man with the old man going to prison for life by actions you contributed to the tragedy. I would not want to be any of these kids.
And had the nerve to give Miu the evil eye
Well, consider his major - Global Business Leadership
He wants to be Klaus Schwabs butt boi.
Coward for laughing at a weirdo who came to them and grabbing their legs without a word. He thought the kids took his phone. He probably have something dusty in that phone.
@Samirha25 lol he didn't grab their legs. Apparently you haven't been paying attention and are getting your "fact" from YT comments .
@@FrauditorsLie the juries already decided he is guilty of all charges. Maybe your facts are from CZcams.
I’m Asian, and I know for sure his parents are embarrassed and ashamed of him.
I was about to say I dated an Asian and I am fairly certain he wasn't raised like these kids and I think he didn't get hurt bc he was smart enough to stay out of this man's way in comparison to his "friends."
Or maybe they were too hard and why he feels the need to act like a complete imbecile. Also why he lies so easily.
This is typical mob mentality. Things that most people wouldn’t do while alone, become easy to go along within a group.
It takes great character to oppose the group with whom you occupy.
Agreed.
I know you’re right. It will take a long time for his parents to come to terms with their son and his behavior
Why are they all lying?? They are all trying to defend their own stupidity but the video does not corroborate their testimonies.
@HeraclitusThoughtBubbles Then why is there a discrepancy between what’s on camera and what they describe?
@HeraclitusThoughtBubbles yes they are we have eyes we see the video
they're trying their best to make the video seem like they were in self-defense but the video shows they were all laughing like hyenas and cackling about and pummel nic.
Yeah that's what I was saying they're all acting Innocent but it's on the video Isaac's mom describe how a wonderful child he was but he had his hands around that man's neck and taunted him.
I know they want to defend their friend that got killed but they still need to tell the truth no matter what I mean he didn't even tell the cops that they were calling nicolae a child molester/predator
I want to watch this objectively but I just can't take the lying they're doing. Just be truthful. We were acting like idiots for no reason. They had no reason to start anything with that man except that they were drunk and high and felt like causing problems for "fun." They weren't scared of him.
They never said they were scared. They said he was acting weird. They could call him pedo, gay, fag, whatever. Doesn't give him the right to stab them.
Yep and the jury is going to see it. If he really did punch that girl they need to be completely honest about everything or the jury won't buy it.
Yea because someone walking up to their groups and assaulting them is not a reason and it means THEY started it 🙄 give me a fuckin break.
Oh and Mui was so afraid for his life that he brandished his knife while smiling in anticipation of stabbing them after literally inserting himself into their group and assaulting them. Yep that's definitely what a fearful person does.
Because Mui isn’t lying ?
He was “scared” as they taunted, pushed, and hit him? 🤔🙄
I want to take you for dinner and talk about it ? When are you free ? 😂
No one from his group pushed him.
These kids where all coached by there lawyers before they even got to court that day. “I was very scared” as his friends punched him tossed him around and circled around him
@@mspinkyteeyour either dumb, stupid, or blind.
He's from the city. I wish he wasn't involved too
You shouldn’t have taunted called him a rapist surrounded him, taunting him some more when he was just trying to enjoy a peaceful day. In nature, you should’ve been excessive drinking no manners empathy nothing that’s what these kids shouldn’t have been doing nice parenting.
Why didn't they just let him look for the phone and go about his business? All this was so unnecessary.
Because they thought they were intitled to mess with a stranger they considered an easy mark who had the balls to defend himself!!!
Absolutely! They pushed that ole man too far.. bet they don't bully anyone else
Still, what he did to them seems was not necessary. IMO.
@@refrigerator_mama can't stab someone to death for what occurred there, he escalated, and then left the scene, put on a disguise, and lied to the police, he knew what he did was wrong and way overboard
Because he thought these boys stole his phone and he was all up in their space.
Do you mean marijuana? Yes please😂
I laughed out loud lol not expecting that 😅
What’s the time stamp on that
3:00
@@JustAohkay, I missed that the first time!....LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
😂😂😂
When they show him smiling and laughing and taunting this guy… and he tries to say he felt terrified…. SELF DEFENSE bro.
I believe it was a misinterpretation... the boys weren't there for drama. Mui's was in their personal space... looking for'little jewels'!
But shouldn't have been in their space or behaviour as he did.
@@jatz1111 men. Drunk and high men. In a mob. 13 against 1. Lying about him, kicking him, insulting him, slapping him and pushing him. Those men and women don’t own the river. They had no authority to tell him where he could and couldn’t be. They should have minded their own business, not instigated and carried out violence. Then none of this would have happened.
@@jatz1111 The "boys" were there for a viral video harrassing and older man 100%. "For the Culture"
This man is not a maniac. This was self defense...hope the jury can see past their lies. And this kid's a liar. I think we can all see this.
💯
No we cant "all see this"
the suggestion that multiple witnesses from 2 separate groups are all lying about the exact same thing is beyond absurd.
These kids wanted trouble and found it.
They Just Didnt
no What Type
Yep, and I hope the jury sees this. These guys are adults now want to be betrayed as scared little kids. Hope common sense prevails here.
they wanted a Viral Video
Yep Jason you hit it on the nail
Guy could have just walked away, especially after the lady got after him.
“Some adults came by to help” hate to break it to you dude but you are an adult and you should probably start acting like one.
He was acting like one but they were attacking him are you fking blind?
NO AN HUMAN BRAIN IS FULLY DEVELOPED AT 25 ONLY SCIENCE!
tell that to the dude who went crazy and murdered and then disemboweled someone 💀
They were 16, 17. You got kids!!!!
Yessss
They assaulted and bullied this man and now they are lieing .
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yep
The claim they made about the little girl comment doesn’t even make sense. And the defendant was sober. They were smoking weed and drinking
Even if it was said, its irrelevant, imo
He was calling them little girls!
Defendant was drinking too stop with the false information. 98 percent of the ppl on the river were drinking
the false accusations were to turn any onlookers against the man in preparation for their attack. its called gaslighting and kids learn it from social media.
I think the video guy just made that up to create chaos for his tik tok video. I think he did the same with making the comment about him “hitting a woman”. He wanted the most bang he could possibly have and got his friend killed and 4 strangers wounded.
Marijuana?
"Yes, please." 😂
😂😅😂
😂😂😂😂
LMFAO
lol I noticed that too, he wasn't to happy when he said that
😂😂😂😂
These kids are guilty and should be held accountable.
This kid hasn’t learned a thing after what happened. He really sees himself as a completely innocent “survivor”. Sick
That’s the whole problem with these groomers, multi domination sexes worthless generation
He absolutely is just an innocent victim. this murderer inserted himself in that situation refused to leave them alone when asked multiple times and swung first on a girl no less. then when he got jumped for it he "felt threatened" gutted a guy and stabbed 4 more for no reason. one of the little girls he stabbed didnt even know what was going on and had her back to him at the time.
@@DeagleGamesTV These kids got their friend killed by putting an old man in a self defense position. Id do the same to you if you were hitting me with your friends while Im on my back in the water.
Nowhere in the video does it show a girl was hit and the man was looking for a phone and they stared bullying him. You clearly haven’t. Seen the whole video
The girls absolutely touched him 1st.
My daughter and friends were there that day. I saw it on the scanner and went into a panic.i could barely get to my contacts to. Call her I was shaking so bad. Thank God she answered right away. I was whispering on the phone asking where she was, thinking she was hiding. They were already just getting back to their car. I told her to get in and lock the doors and leave immediately. She didn't know what was going on and when I told her she said that must be why the cops and ambulances were coming in. She said the group on the tube were drunk and being obnoxious.
HELLO 🌺. I hope your daughter is ok and strong to overcome such sad memories🙏🌺
I am glad that she was okay . You would have been terrified . 🌸
😒🙄👀
the local media completely misrepresented the story, sensationalizing it as a "stabbing spree", given the number of active shooters we have in this country I can see why you would have become so fearful
@@mikefingerbottom2669 Local media sensationalizes events to gain as large an audience as possible and stir emotions. There are no news services nowadays. Feelings over facts are promoted. Rushing to judgment over what is said in local media is to be led by the nose. There is always more to the story than a few sentences in a post can cover or a couple of minutes of a media program can show, even with the best of intentions.
These bullies should all be arrested and charged with battery.
They should be charged with manslaughter
These kids went in looking like they will get justified justice for their friend but completely destroyed and squirming from the questions and nothing adds up on all of their stories.
Because they're doing this thing called, LYING. They're punks, and liars. Period. This kid certainly shouldn't be studying "leadership" of anything. He is 2nd most at fault for getting his friends stabbed.
Looks like the killer told more lies than all of the kids combined...
Nothing adds up what have you been watching? Honestly. It's all consistent. They all say Mui approached them first, was not responding to anything. He grabbed their stuff first. He wasn't talking, acting creepy. Mui admits to drinking all day. He was drunk and wanted a confrontation. He came all the way down to them and ran up and grabbed them first. He never said what he was doing or what he needed. Everything adds up. This guy was annoyed by them, chose to stick around a hostile situation that lead to someone being killed.
Exactly.A sociopath - with the potential to kill when his buttons are pressed.
Well they sure as hell got their justice! Unanimous jury vote of GUILTY. They didn't STAB him, he is the one that turned this thing deadly. He should have just walked away. Also why didn't any of Miu's group come to his aid if he was in "danger"? I find this very interesting.
Why are we calling offenders victims?
Because at the time of the trial he was not yet found guilty. Yeah, that little detail of "guilty UNTIL proven innocent" even applies to those that "apparently" have commit murder. We don't use vigilante justice from to declare people guilty. That's what justice means for everyone, including the perps.
@@gregorioeduardo So then, if he hasn't yet been found guilty, there are yet, no victims...
@@D4MI0N the older man is the victim the kids are the problem
Some people think that teens (children) can do no wrong. That’s why the US is in the state it is in. So the fact that this mob mentality of vile little thugs who in my opinion f**ked around and found out, is ok with a lot of people…..but what I’m actually seeing is that there are many people saying these kids are bullies and hope Miu gets off because they feel the same as me. SELF DEFENCE!
@@ladymuck2151 Blah Blah Blah.
A bunch of drunk teenagers were supposedly scared of some older guy? That sounds like a lie.
Yup
You weren’t there so stfu!
Doesn't look scared to me when they were mocking, pushing and hitting him while down on the water.
@@Malenia_BladeOfMiquella All while laughing manically.
@@angiejorah that pissed me off so much..
So HE should leave and END the commotion? Excuse me, but it was the "teens" who was responsible for the commotion. Doesn't anyone of these brats have any common sense?
These teens and their parents should be embarrassed and held liable for the death of that 17 year old.
Why should their parents be liable for the lad dying? Ridiculous.
@@Sheriff_GrimLawNot Legally Liable BUT Definitely Morally Liable / Responsible.
@@Sheriff_GrimLawfor bringing more trash into an already filthy world.
@@Sheriff_GrimLawit’s a slippery slope to be sure, but seeing as they charge school shooters’ parents with criminal charges i feel like this isn’t that different. Parental negligence of their children led to someone’s death all the same. But I agree with this is ridiculous.
@@InaMurayoTotally disagree! Words do not equal murder! Nic was going for kill shots as he gutted those kids! He acted creepy, then proved he was a creep! Then tried to hide & lie to police! Not the actions of self defense by any means!
They attacked the guy.. the guy defended himself with a knife....
This entire group are insanely corrupt. The level of lying and excuses are on another level. This is shocking. His parents must be so proud.
Defendant paying you?
I hope they all get charged with perjury
@@bonniehairston5827 .. this is so weird.. its like those women that fall in love with serial killers or ppl like Chris Watts. No compassion here for the kid who died or the 6 mutilated .. effing weird.
@@dochollywood79 ... all u pedos always stick together
If Miu is innocent, why not call the cops instead of walking away as if nothing had happened? He stabbed five people, one died. He left to go home. As you do.
This dude is a phony. He was one of the loudest in the video instigating.
Absolutely! Jumping around like an absolute madman
@@EE-uj6tw Exactly! I wonder if they have trouble sleeping at night?
For the culture, man !
@@traceyarnaud8433 I doubt it. He probably hung out that night drinking more, talking crap about how awesome he and his thug friends are. He, like most of the others, will never change their attitudes and actions. Sad case for America and the world.
Right
100% avoidable. Hopefully people who like provoking others will see this, and change their ways. A “mob” of drunk and high people would be terrifying to me
@taramcgavan7654obviously it did Tara…he was terrified enough to protect himself… “get real” 🤦🏼♀️
The substances increased their behavior but I think they would've likely done this anyway. They were coordinated enough to punch and kick him, while one held a camera to it.
@taramcgavan7654Yes, no one scared ever defended themselves- genius!
These witnesses have been so coached it's beyond obvious. Prosecution should be ashamed of themselves!
"He approached our tubes and stopped us from carrying on." Totally coached😂😂😂
Seems to me a bunch of drunk and high kids were bullying and calling the dude a pedo and surrounding him and assaulting him. Huge lesson for these kids and young adults that people will not allow you to do whatever you want to them. Bearing false witness is certainly how this started with the evidence ive seen. Its horrible that someone died in order for this lesson to be learned.
ok but what you're describing is retaliation not self-defense. Dude is definitely guilty
@@MrOBJECTIVEOBSERVER. true…. I’m against these kids and I can feel the old man’s plight but the multiple stabbings is something else..
❤
They didn't assault him.
words versus weapons. He came into the water, he initaiated the violence. You are sick
These boys killed their friend
Naw the two ladies did
Yep. They absolutely did.
I agree
He had a hand in his own death too.
It looks like on video Isaac was the one to push Nico down initially.
We never see the fatal blow delivered to Issac.
Who knows what happened there.
He definitely had to be face to face,
That would be consistent with the wound description.
But like I said who knows.
Who the hell do you think you are! You were NOT There. A
Male teen got gutted
In front of many- so
Find a new cause
This is the guy who was laughing in the video now hes playing the victim
I can tell you that group on the tubes are not all completely innocent
your brain is stupid
They’re not even partially innocent.
@@rockstarofredondo explain that without looking like a complete psychopath who probably fantasizes about doing something similar.
@@ElementUup511😂 the projection is real. Talking as if you know what the commentator has for breakfast.
@@AzothDee you don't even know what projection is defined as. What does a commentator have to do with anything? Brain dead fool.
Not guilty. Self defense against an angry punk disrespectful mob. Who did it "for the culture."
You can see the guilt in all their eyes.
They started calling the guy a pedophile. They never met the guy in their life. He was looking for his phone. And these guys were drunk teenagers and they gang packed them harassed them both physically and emotionally. What did they expect was gonna happen?
So you get called a pedophile and that gives you the right to start trying to kill people? The man started this, this wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t punch that girl and just walked away
So you think it's OK to gut people with a knife!
Smh.
Bet you'd be singing a different tune if it was your son who was gutted! to death.
Smh.
They didn't expect a grown ass! man to resort to taking things to the extreme & using a knife! with the intent to inflict serious harm/ damage & death!
Smh.
Are you a bot? You really think it's okay to stab someone if they call you a pedophile? Is it also okay to shoot to kill they call you a pedophile? Where does it say in united states law that you can do that anywhere?
At least Alexander Vang knew what to do when he saw his friend was badly wounded and he jumped to action, unlike the guy who just stood there and kept filming.
Don't be mad at him. He had to make sure everything was recording instead of you know, calling the police or something. You heard him in the beginning, "For the culture!"
one typically becomes a doctor and the other is typically mockingly called a doctor. you figure out which one is which
@@OrtegaSauce "WOOOORLD STAAAAAAAAAAAAR"
The filming is the entirety of this trial’s evidence may I remind you: eye witness testimony (especially when it’s a bunch of drunk teens) isn’t the most reliable. According to the autopsy Isaac’s wound was immediately fatal-so what exactly are you thinking the videoer should’ve done? I’m sick of people that have clearly never been in a volatile conflict comment on what people should have done in hindsight. Stop victim shaming.
@@mightguy123456there’s no victims in this case buddy just the man on trial
This is a good example of, how over time, your memory adjust to the story you want to have happened.
True but not in this case. Their memory is not changing. They are simply lying.
No one is gonna hire him for their company
what a weird comment, nice car dork
he has his own probably or his father, they prob were all spoiled brats, while the murderer was a middle class frustrated adult
None off them told the police that the guy made a comment about little girls and didn’t follow up to provide that info later. But now they testify to it in court 2 years later?! I think this group has colluded to provide this detail, which I think is false and designed to justify their assault on this man who may well not be all there himself.Punks.
I don't think swearing under oath to tell the truth means much to these guys.
@@barbjanderson7559 nope. I’d be all over that on appeal presuming there’s a conviction. If this tidbit was just introduced, never reported to investigators by any of them after the incident or until recently, it stinks to high heavens of conspiracy among witnesses and perjury. I’d think there would be grounds for a separate investigation on this.
@@barbjanderson7559why should it? They are not receiving consequences for their other crimes, why would they believe they would be charged with perjury?
You know they did that's why they all say short water and don't have their own saying for it. Got almost 10 people saying short water because the one re re trying to get the story straight said it and everyone was so scared it burned into their brain.
@@robertjones8598let's be real you'd just be all over the floor getting your hole pounded by Tyrone in the Shower 😂
Not laughing now are ya?
This boy is not being completely honest.
Man
These kids life of horror had only just begun, and they brought it on themselves.
The old man was the real victim.
Alcohol and drugs. Things that escalated the situation
Straightedge nerd 🤓
Weed doesn't make ppl aggressive. It's people that pray on women and children
It always does
Alcohol destroys lives, out of the blue. Either people behave uncharacteristically or recklessly, or they encounter someone who is behaving that way.
No. It just made their already shitty juvenile attitudes worse
Plenty of people have wine or a joint and don't pounce on people like hyenas
And a black punk instigating the whole thing while filming a video to upload.
This is exactly why I helped raised my younger siblings not to provoke or bully people because tragedies like this can happen within seconds
Best ancient wisdom right here!! What has happened with the youth is terrible. Pervasive increase of narcissism NPD - poison dart ruins the VMAT2 gene. Terrible consequences of all involved. Thank you Gov't schools and big pharma. Only in USA. Why?
A 52 year old shouldn't start chasing and stabbing people with a knife when provoked. Its no excuse for killing people.
Was in similar situations floating local river years ago. Teens started calling the creepy guy pedo, etc & was able to get him to move away! It also alerted others down river who then had similar experience with the guy! What didn't happen was him charging them, grabbing their tubes & ultimately stabbing & killing!
@@vkapoor69that’s not what happened. He was so calm and they were psycho and loud! Hitting him! He reacted. We don’t know how someone will react in those situations, people have PTSD and other trauma.
@@cristineconnell7803he didn’t grab their tubes, he was looking for his phone. Do you know what mature boys and girls would do.. “hey man, are you looking for something, can we help? They bullied and abused instead.” If you can watch that full video and think that he was the creepy one, you need major help. They were creepy and disturbing, taunting him! Normal and compassionate people can see how it ended the way it did. And don’t tell me normal and compassionate people don’t stab in self defense-because they do!
These kids are a bunch of bullies.
And liars
A lot of selective memories here
Exactly
This kid is a disrespectful bully punk and the jury can see that
Because they aren’t real memories but lies.
These losers, wanna be tough guys deserve to go to jail for bullying, defaming and assault on that man. Period! They ought to be held responsible for what happened!
man couldn’t hold himself back from taunting teenagers. If a grown man punched a woman in the face bc of that ALONE. he is a threat to society.
@@alyssakujawski2947😂😂😂 your imagination is wild!
Wth?
@@rockstarofredondo considering you clearly know nothing about this case (from ur other comment under mine) i’m just gonna say you’re delusional!
@rockstarofredondo right? He imagined a whole scenario lol
Simply put- keep poking the bear and you better beware.
This is self defense 100%
Vang should be convicted
Teenagers are such bad Liars...Lol its so obvious
You mean Marijuana?
Yes Please.
Most heart-felt truthful "Need ya to Pass Me a Puff"
ever spoken.
These kids are shaking in their boots! They know that screwed up BIG TIME!
Where in the hell is this blonde who was the main instigator.
@@gregj831she didn't want her testimony to be on camera
Gaslighting people into rebellion is wrong. Shame on these teens….
Based on what you said that means you believe Miu and think what he did was right got it.
@@C_H_U_ I was talking specifically to the point that this all never would have happened if these teens weren’t gaslighting everyone around them into a false reality. Certainly the situation was complex, and the adult’s decision to defend themselves was likely justified given the circumstances, under the law. If the teenagers were intentionally provoking the adult and then assaulted him, attempting to distort or deny their actions, it’s exacerbating the situation leading the adult to feel justified in defending themselves against the aggressive behavior of the teenagers. In this context, the manipulation tactics employed by the teenagers may have contributed to the escalation of the confrontation. Gaslighting is the cause in my opinion. Shame
@@ourglass3346 regardless if they hurt this middle age man’s feeling or whatever snowflakes feel nowadays he still used lethal to murder a child who did no threat to him. We’ve seen these cases time and time again. Miu will be found guilty NO MATTER WHAT.
@@C_H_U_ Similar to the rittenhouse case, the legal analysis would depend on various factors, including whether his use of force was reasonable and proportional to the threat he faced as he may argue self-defense for stabbing someone after being assaulted by a group of individuals who were incited by false accusations made by teenagers.
Regarding the false accusations made by the teenagers, similar to the trump case, there may be legal implications for their actions, such as charges of defamation or incitement to violence. Additionally, if it can be shown that their false accusations directly led to the assault, this could be a mitigating factor in his defense.
This is a 17.7 stone man who thinks its appropriate to hit a female in the face for calling him names and blame males regardless of their age for reacting. I might add without weapons. Wow, you need a new perspective! rglass3346
He _was_ walking away and they followed him screeching like banshees and pushing him, slapping him when he fell into the river etc. Of course someone eventually got punched in the face in the melee. Then they followed him again and they got even more volatile. I don’t see what options he had.
Agreed
He had plenty of options he just chose to make a bad decision. He was the adult in this situation and he should have acted like one and walked away before the situation escalated. I bet he wished he had because it’s not looking good for him.
@@agelessbeauty9136another dumb take
@@agelessbeauty913624 year old violent Maddison was not an adult?😂
No he wasn't
The little girls the old man was referring to were the teen boys.. lowkey roast
That's what I thought.
That's literally what happened yet people don't believe the old man said it... 🤦🏻♂️
Not on the recording.
I believe the same.. he was calling the boys little girls ..
Or saying “ diving for pearls “ sarcastically
Goons. The lot of them. He defended himself. End of story.
The evidence have proved otherwise. end of story
The reason that none of them ever initially told the police that the whole thing started because Miu said "I'm looking for little girls" is because he didnt say that, and the group hadn't had the chance to get their stories straight yet.
That is correct, and I think something else occurred before the video started. They had to stop to engage, not Nick stopping tubes. Because the current will just keep things moving. While Nick is standing.
My cousins friend was on vacation there with some friends and also said the drunk kids on the tubes where being obnoxious and verbally harassing other people as well . Even hooting at other women .
They would also get aggressive when someone told them to knock it off
I remember being young stupid & smokin weed. It doesnt merit death. Nic could have left at any time!
@@styphlynne8253we were all young.. my friends & I never once bullied someone like this & or physically assaulted them. If we did, karma would become our fate. These kids were already bad people.
@@styphlynne8253I remember being young and smoking weed too. We never ganged up on an old man though
@styphlynne8253 you think he killed them for smoking weed or for trying to drown them bot
There was only one victim and that was the guy that these pack of dogs went after.
The teens literally didn’t harm Miu at all
@@InfiniteZombies777 They literally did. And there were grown ass men involved, not innocent little angels.
@@sfsf6768no they literally didn’t! The adults harmed him. The only teen who even touched him is the one he killed and that teen lightly pushed him. Not to mention Miu started the whole thing by PUNCHING a girl. So glad he’s going to jail! 🙂
@@InfiniteZombies777 Yes they literally did. Blue shorts admitted in court when shown the video that he punched him 3 times. Yellow shorts peacemaker shoved his back keeping him in the water as blue shorts punched from the front, side and back. The hyenas surrounded him laughing and mocking, enjoying every minute. There was no evidence that he punched drunk busybody Karen. Infamous video narrator instigated this tragedy by lying that he was a ‘raper’ and ‘looking for little girls’ and egged the other grown men to join in. He escaped unscathed. Low IQs filled with arrogance, liquor and weed (who knows what else) caused this completely avoidable incident and they got away with it, emboldening them to do it all again. When dressed in court, we all saw they are some low class men, and very unsurprisingly, very bad at lying.
I dont feel bad for the guy on the stand at all.
It makes me sick that they still have not learned their lesson. They truly believe they were the victims.
I’ve seen worse . As a man if you communicate properly you can mitigate this . As a man you can walk away or at worst handle it with your hands. He has a smirk on his face he knew what he would do if given the opportunity and he gutted 5 killed 1 . Smashed a girl first after approaching their group. He threw a kid off his tube . Yes they taunted him yes they were being obnoxious but I’ll see worse this weekend on any college campus.
@@upgrade1015so it’s ok for the drunk and high bullies to put their HANDS on another. Got it 😂 they got a dose of finding out.
@@upgrade1015 I love how everyone is minimizing these teens actions. They didn't just taunt him. Multiple people from multiple angles were slapping, punching, kicking and pushing him back down in the water like a bunch of heathens and the guy defended himself. He was smiling because of how stupid these young adults were acting. He didn't scream or yell back he was simply trying to find his belongings so he could leave.
@@Sam4gotok what are his injuries ? He receive a punch and 2 slaps, is that a reason to stab and kill ? Clearly not
In my experience with human psychology people only learn lessons when they are forced to. I do not understand why he was not charged with any crimes. If Nicolae is found innocent the teenagers should be charged with assault, underage drinking, and with the death of their friend Issac because their actions is what got him killed. Maybe, then, and only then, will they learn a lesson.
😂😂 harass, people bully him, and then assault him😂 and now mad about the outcome, grow up and leave people alone
hewas the one who started the physical assault. Not much of a man to come armed after a few words from kids. Sure sign he is a mentally unfit child in a mans body
They asked him, multiple times what he was doing and and to leave them alone. You are the one who needs to grow up if you think stabbing 5 people (and killing a minor) you are harassing is an appropriate response.
@@jamison1280 learn to mind your own business, because it was none of theirs. He doesn’t have to explain himself to nobody.
@@jamison1280 😂 another dip shart
@@jamison1280He has as much right to be anywhere on that river as anyone else. If those "kids" had a problem with this older man, they should've moved on down the river. They had him way outnumbered and were way more intimidating.
The video is evidence the teens provoked this tragedy
I never saw anyone injured or die from words. Video appears to show someone's feelings being injured that's what I saw.
@@captpain1you didn't watch the video or saw what you wanted to see after already making up your mind.
@randyrenner7643 so you disagree with people's hurt feelings don't equate to injury or death. Strange sense of reasoning.
@@captpain1 Thats all it was until the teens turned it physical. Clearly they escalated this. They made their bed, and now they must lie in it.
@@captpain1 Being shoved in water and hit about is a tad bit more than hurt feelings lol
Kids?...23 Year old drunk and high against a man....like a hyena pack chasing ... Stup idity is all over the world.
Multiracialism worked just as intended in America. Unity is gone now.
I hate bullies.
All well-adjusted adults do. However, I'm beginning to suspect that people are siding with the guy that stabbed the teens, because the teens are 'bullies'. That's unfortunate. The guy initiated contact with them causing them to be removed from the tubes. He lied and said they took his snorkel when they didn't as the video shows. He lied to the police when they first got there.
The refused to leave their personal space that he entered when they kept yelling at him to leave. He pulled the knife out when the teens weren't near him and the two girls were in his face TELLING HIM TO LEAVE.
Teenagers being teenagers isn't an excuse to go into a stabbing and murdering rampage.
@@alanboody7004u think it's normal for teenagers to bully and jump someone.?
@@user-mk5dj3bk5q Do you think it's normal that an adult initiates contact with teens forcing them off their tube, refuses to walk away, and calmly takes out a knife and slaps or hits a girl in the face telling him to leave?
@@alanboody7004 first reasonable comments I've seen on any of these videos. a lot of terminally online chumps siding with old psychotic Nic
@@alanboody7004 there not teens , go watch the video they surrounded him and harassed him
They followed him, pushed him down while surrounding him and yelling at him. It's on the video! Of course he was scared into defending himself. WTF did these psycho kids expect to happen, pulling shit like that?
I don’t know what going on in your life but stabbing a kid to death shouldn’t be normal.Kids are kids and adults are grownup.To escalate this situation with a KNIFE is stupid and over the top of everything what we’re seeing in this video.
@@misssunshine2234 Of course it's not normal, but anyone scared into self defense would do it. Did you expect him to just sit there defenseless while they kept screaming and knocking him down? How's he supposed to know they won't kill him eventually? Nobody has to let a mob beat them up just to avoid potentially killing their attackers.
@JRKonungrinn no, we don't expect him to just sit there. We expect him to either walk away or call the police. Since when does getting feelings hurt, justify murder? It doesn't!
@@JRKonungrinn he ran up to them. He could have walked away and said nothing. HE walked up to the teens! Are we watching the same trial?
@@cara5430 He did walk away. Video showed that they followed him & surrounded him in a screaming mob while hitting him & pushing him down into the water. It's completely reasonable for him to fear severe injury or dying from these attackers and defend himself.
He is a liar and has a planned story in his mind. The story they all talked about before the hearing.
Not sure why none of these people are not accused of aiding a murder they are all Guilty, as they harass and assault this man.
They were accusing him of being a sexual predator in a populated area, while ganging up on him verbally, and physically, he had every reason to fear for his life
So you get to k*ll me just because you can’t handle someone calling you names? 🤣🤣 He aggressively charged and pushed their tubes even before they were out standing by them…yea he seemed so scared then. He had ample opportunity to leave even when multiple uninvolved groups joined later and asked him to but he chose to stay why? because his lil’ weapon gave him muscles.
Thankfully the laws don’t allow you to k*ll someone just because your ego can’t stand a crowd calling you names. 🤦🏻♀️
Not only do you have to prove you feared for your life but in the state they live in you have to prove that he acted reasonably. This isn’t a Florida stand your ground state hate to tell ya. The jury will be told by the state to take the fact that the defendant did not retreat into account. Hard to say he acted reasonably if he had the ability to retreat. Doesn’t matter what anyone’s opinion is… the jury has to follow the law by the evidence they are shown and nothing else.
Hex, go back and watch the videos... They never ganged up on him physically until he punch a woman 1/2 his size in the face while holding a knife in the same fist that could easily have slliced her face. Are these the actions of a Mature Adult Male who approach them first, therefore he was the cause of all proximate actions that occurred.
@@moselleconger4156 a few things. You are being awfully reductionist when saying that this boiled down to some name-calling. Jerk, asshole, fuck face, do not bear the same social, weight, and stigma, nor encourage the same emotional response to those hearing it as pedophile, rapist, child, predator, on a public beach, attended by children with their parents. To pretend these names are comparable in anyway is bad faith. Number two standing in a body of water and retreating while in a body of water is much harder and riskier than retreating on dryland have you ever attempted to run in water have you ever attempted to walk quickly in water? I would argue that under the circumstances it was not reasonable to believe he could retreat with a reasonable level of safety, while maintaining the ability to defend himself in the event, someone decided to attack him. This is evidence by the many times people in this situation fell where they may not have had they been on dryland. The man was called names that he could reasonably believe would cause not only his direct aggressors to aggress further towards him but also now the entire public beach unlike Hattie been called a jerk or a motherfucker.
The only person at fault here is Mr Mui! . He killed another person, Period
If your son was the one who died you wouldn't think the same.🤦🏻♀️
It's clear from the video they were taunting this man and egging on a fight. It's a clear case of bullying from a bunch of stoned/drunk teenagers.
😒
The man started it by replying with a very sick comment. Looking for little girls. Of course, that comment is going to get serious feedback. When the man could have easily said, "I'm looking for my phone that I lost in here somewhere." This could have all been avoided. The guys that pushed the man into the water was the 2 guys that came with the lady he punched. Punching ladies and looking for little girls. The man started it and he should have ended it, by leaving. You have to be able to take -what you dish out. And not killing some 17 year old teenager, because of it.
@@outoftime7740 They baited a seriously mentally ill man into a position where they could bully him. They than proceeded to start physically harming him and shoving his head into the water. It's reasonable to assume your life is in danger in that position. It was wrong he was there to meet a child but vigilantism is illegal for this exact reason.
If anyone is a victim it's the guy who stabbed dude. Society clearly abandoned him a long time ago and he's likely been preyed on his whole life.
@@outoftime7740oh i just catching up with this case...i didnt realise the boy died...
@4ank117 It didn't happen like that. If the man would have answered decently, the man came to them. The man didn't leave. The man didn't get touched until he punched that lady and started stabbing people. The man wasn't being bullied. They were giving him shit for his sick comment. There is no excuse for stabbing that lady, a man and killing a teenager. The mental dude needs to be locked up for life.
These kids started all this. So many teenagers now think this is hilarious. They have no self control and lie.
They think life has no consequences.
They should be charged for what they have done.
and what have they done
what can they be charged with?
They fucked around and found out. End of story.
if play stupid games win stupid prizes was a case THIS IS THE ONE!
lawyers said marijana homeboy said "yes please" lmfao...
😂😂
Bro i had to rewind that...lmao.
@@mylifefornick, ME TOO!!!! LOLOLOL!
😂😂i busted out laughing at that too LBVS
He was the designated driver too ! 😮
These kids are learning big lessons about how to treat others. I certainly hope they learn some big lessons, that is!!
How about the pervert? Think he learned anything......... HE WILL IN JAIL
I'm not sure they've learned anything. None of the other people involved were charged or have taken any sort of responsibility.
@@lilithstribeexactly. They were allowed to jump this man and now the state of Wisconsin is allowing them to lie in a court of law. Our nation is cooked.
@@rockstarofredondo It's really insane and does not bode well for the over all safety of that community. These kids beleive they are somehow the victim because a man fought back.
And Mui gonna learn what it's like to be stretched out by BBC in prison
To lose your life over heckling an old guy and ganging up on him is something that didn't have to happen.
Agree. His friends killed him. Tiffs one c testifying now in particular. He made the first verbal assault.
Hang on sh#t for brains... it looks like all parties were drunk the young people drunk and smoking some pot , so what ! WHO WAS IT WHO INVADED THE OTHERS SPACE ?
If that young group got out of hand and approached the older group and started crowding, harassing , taunting , punches thrown YES you could use the argument of this a case of self defence !
The drunken creep and that's what he is, approached them and anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what he was up to > he was interested in the young chicks and they very well knew it > and why they were taunting him !
@@InMyPOV2usticks and stones
Because your soft little feelies get hurt doesn't justify you going on a stabbing spree.
I wonder if the group of friends are mad at the guy who filmed it because he was the instigator
Perjury for this kid, he lies .
No one deserves to be stabbed and no one deserves to be bullied.
Best way to not be stabbed is to not bully
These lying kids have to get charged.
*They're more to blame than Miu.* Miu is about 15% at fault, but they're at 85. The girls shoved Miu before he touched any of them. They shoved him then put their hands on his chest and arm 3 times. After that, the boys attacked him and there's no video evidence he struck the girl, and if he did, it was still after the girls had shoved him and he was verbally humiliated in a very public manner.
Locking him up for murder is going too far. I understand accountability, but the kids are to blame more than he is, and so are their parents for buying minors alcohol and watching them get shit faced.
mui is 100 percent at fault. what the heck is wrong with people's perceptive abilities. scary we have humans out and about with very low street smarts and very poor situational awareness. this man wanted to inflict damage, period.
@@kipkapper3014nawww, watch the video
You don't stab people over public humiliation or words; or for getting punched, for that matter
@@shanstacy3609 he stabbed in self defense. It's not legal for them to assault him. If he did slap Madison which the video completely disproves and Tony Carlson testified admitting he knows Miu never hit her at all, it's still a crime for them to launch an attack from all sides. If it were true, they were obligated to call the police.
*Instead, you see a video of them all roaring with laughter, attacking him and having a lot of fun doing it, and you see Miu isn't having fun at all!*
He was justified in using the knife against multiple attackers and had he been someone like an off duty cop, they would have all been arrested instead of him.
They were all stoned illegally, the teenagers drunk illegally and had they all been charged and convicted for this as they should have been 2 years ago, those convictions would have been brought up in court and the case never would have gotten off the ground!
You people posing these arguments are corrupt morons. What they did was a crime, PERIOD. His lies and crimes are minor compared to what they did.
You think it doesn't count because you are immoral and you yourself break laws. You think it's okay to assault someone in a gang fashion rather than call the police and press charges!
*You're a despicable fool.*
@@shanstacy3609 I would
Getting emotional isn't gonna cut it. Mobs of teens going after 1 older man is disgusting!!
Older guy with a hidden knife
@@martinaportillo8837so what?😂
Older guy that punches a little girl after stopping their group with a hidden knife
especially since he threw the first sucker punch when the old guy was on his back.
Laugh now cry later . . .
The face of a bully when the victim fights back.
he’s pathological liar
I never heard of this case until now😢
Do yourself a favor and watch the actual video. I'm glad I did. I was completely convinced the guy was guilty until I watched it.
Amazing he doesn’t recall the details of his group antagonizing the man. 🙄 His credibility is sketchy.
"I don't recall" is always the nonsensical answer from a horrible witness who doesn't want to incriminate themselves.
He admitted they weren’t being very nice to him…what do you want exactly? That doesn’t warrant STABBING someone.
@@mbererm Please don’t characterize the old man’s actions as being caused by them not being nice to him!
@@mberermthe man felt in fear from a large group of young men, not boys. Then they involved a bunch of other people & still couldn’t be honest with what they had done. I bet these men won’t ever be taunting & antagonizing anyone else.
@@mberermNot being nice? He _was_ walking away and they followed him screeching like banshees and pushing him, slapping him when he fell into the river etc. Of course someone eventually got punched in the face in the melee. Then they followed him again and they got even more volatile. I don’t see what options he had.
These kids were being aggressive idiots and wound up paying the price for their behavior!!!!!!
Where are all the tough guys bro that were laughing and screaming they're all crying like little girls now? No more tough guy?????
This chub had a smile all along …he sure aint sorry
Yeah...chubby boy was laughing like a hyena that day. Screaming and laughing the loudest.
😂😂😂 chub
He's studying "Global Business Leadership?" How ironic. And he's definitely lying about the defendant saying he was looking for little girls. Alex is desperately trying to justify his group calling the defendant a "raper" and "pedophile." That's called perjury. Unfortunately, it's NOT in the video, and his group are backing each other up, to absolve their responsibility in what transpired. This witness is NOT a leader in any sense... he's a pathetic follower.
100%
So they just wanted to record a random old man because they were calling him names? That makes sense doesn't it?
You know what makes more sense? The old man taunting them by saying he's looking for little girls to a group of boys. Thus leading to them recording because he was being a weirdo.
@@fatee5069how is going around telling ppl you are looking for little girls a taunt? Didn't the old dude have a group like 200ft away? You're saying that it's more plausible that a 51 yo man decided to leave his group and randomly tell a group of college adults that he likes little girls than it is for a 51 yo man to leave his group to look for a lost cellphone? Don't you think that sounds ridiculous and random? So the old guy was gonna "look for little girls" 200ft away from his group? Lol wtf
And uhhhh, isn't tiktok a huge thing with this particular age group? So I'm sure video taping every damn small event is common for these guys
@@yoinky by your victim mentality logic where do you see him looking for a lost cellphone? ItS nOt iN Da Vid It No HapPen. All we see is an old man rushing a group of MINORS (see how you add fake details like claiming they're college age?) literally lunging on their tubes. Then awkwardly stands behind them. He never walked away until AFTER he killed people. Not after the first stabbing. After he stabbed everyone he could. At no point did the old man make an effort to leave or head back towards his group. Logic isn't hard you just have to use it.
Or that's why they literally called him a pedo and raper right before the incident and you're wrong because you hate young people.