This is really fascinating, and an interesting new thing to be aware of, from here on. Thank you for all that you do. I refuse, and have no way to forget the person who opened the doors for me to go from not being able to sing, to now getting compliments for my singing.
Yes, I have a video on the schwa - with an Aussie accent in particular, it's one of our most common spoken sounds, followed by UK dialects, then much less so by Americans. Schwa ə is short form (away, Australia, another etc) where œ is long form (hors d'oeuvre, Australian English versions of Search, Learn, Turn, Dirt etc) and the one you generally want to sing in place of a schwa if it's required in singing. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Great point! Geoff Lindsey also has a great video titled "The Schwa Is Never Stressed - False!" on this topic, in particular with accent differences in mind.
@@FoundationVocalStudio That's the traditional definition I was taught at uni, too, but it's still an interesting topic with lots of differing points and observations. Nice of you to respond, unlike many other creators - keep up the good work! All the best, Santeri from Finland 👊
Fkn brilliant video as always🔥 I very recently discovered this vowel (I think) by accident. I don't know if you'll find time to check it, but I'll sing a bit of "Burden in my hand" and send it to you. Thanks to all these lessons, and the 20 minute vocal session you gave me last year, my voice and I are finally friends 🙏🏻 And to answer "What's going on?", a band of old rockers in Mumbai spotted me and have asked me to be their frontman for a Black Sabbath Tribute!!
Yes, I have been noticing when trying to phoenetically write out songs, that OE is pretty much the default vowel. I also hate "content" "creators" that are just shoveling out garbage in the laziest way possible. Watching somebody watch something has to be the lowest form of media yet.
check out Jørn Lande he is doing that constantly. Ironically the ø comes close to what you're doing there. Also the german ö but don't let them fool you, they're different and less non-stressful!
yeah, the Swedish o is much the same, but I'm not convinced it's a front vowel - it's more in the throat and the tongue is lower. The OE is high in the mouth and forward... and yes, effortless. Best - K
"know" in that section of the song is OE, like n-OE, "to" is OE again in passing, then he actually sings a nasal OU (like a French sound) for "so" which is an odd choice, but it works for the song.
Question about your microphone. I see many people on CZcams using this microphone. Is this different from condenser mic? Is it better in any way? One thing I see that mount allows position the microphone so it does not cover half of the face :)
SM7b - it's a dynamic. I personally hate it, but yes, it's now the convention for CZcams. It keeps out background noise and has a slight air like a condenser. They've just got way too much low end - this is why voice teachers favor it, it gives them 'beef' in their voice (you'll notice I try to stay the hell back from it) and lets them sing in a poorly treated room without picking anything extraneous up in the sound. I generally use a WA condenser for most of my own singing, and just a SM58 for live or harder rock stuff as it's more of a neutral color, but use this for the videos where I'm talking. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio I think the vowel is AE, like in aeroplane. But while saying AND nose is also used the shape in the back of my throat is different from AE.
Still struggling with those F4 to A4 notes that I can hit in head voice but they sound like fucking Michey Mouse (or a total diffrent voice from mine). I"ll try that OE sound in like a stone to see what it does. Being french that OE sound is easy and natural for me. Or maybe I should stick to singing Joe Dassin. Damn. Edit: Trying again with OE. That F4 is right on my break. It sound awful. Weak and airy. I hate the F4. I just don’t understand how to make it sound full. Like Cornell does in like a stone. Like Jesus Christ pose is almost easier then that damn Like a Stone chorus. Sorry, deviating from the main subject. Singing frustration.
Your break is actually the C below the F4, out of interest - if you get the F4 and you're not making any shift, it's too late. E4 is dead centre, and there's a break on either side about C4 and Gflat in your case.
@@FoundationVocalStudio Interesting. Never thought about it that way. I’d love to understand more there. For me the break is shift from chest to head. Which happens on E4. Can’t do F4 in chest voice. F4 is either full head (which sounds so different then my chest voice I can’t go from E to F on a song… it’s awful) or either airy and weak. Would be so glad if you can fix me 😂.
I am not following you. Do you mean the 'er' sound ? If so, then Australians pronounce this two letter digraph without an emphasis of the r part of it (unless it is followed by another letter). The r is called a non- rhotic letter, very common in Aussie speech.
It's a schwa in speech - Ə - for example, the word Australia isn't AOU, it's Ə-stray-ya without an AOU and mostly without an L depending on dialects. So, correct, non- rhotic, no rolled R sounds like US. I'm talking about SUNG vowels here however, not phonetics in speech. Farnham is singing OE like in horsd'oeuvre - it's more of a front version of an OU or OO in singing. Try it, it's the same sound he sings at least 50% of his words. I've seen some call it the ER vowel, but, this is chaos for a rhotic accent like Americans, they're literally going to pronounce EEERRRRRRRRRR instead of a vowelised OE without the R. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Which words are you specifically referring to in Jon' Farnham's singing? Do you mean the er spelling on words like 'longer' where he draws the er out at the end ? I learnt French and understand the sound in 'oeu' in the French word 'oeuvre' - and that is actually has a triphthong. The sound John Farnham sings IS more like an 'ur' sound but with a soft non- rhotic r. As for the pronunciation of Australia , Aussies generally sound the first syllable as o or u.
@@barnowl. We're having two different conversations my barnyard dwelling friend. You're talking about ACCENT and speech, and I'm literally talking about how to sing these sounds - John Farnham doesn't actually sing with an "aussie" accent, nor do I - so, being a non-rhotic accent is irrelevant, and not the discussion we're really having here. It's not just your ER sounds that are replaced by OE in singing - it's anything like a Schwa, Caret and even consonants like L, R and W become vowelised versions of the consonants that are sung as OE. For example, the word "away" - I'm going to sing it as OE-w-AY in most cases, and a word like love is going to mostly be sung as l-OE-v instead of l-AH-v. Two different conversations., I'm not talking about accent - and this doesn't come into play as a singer. An American, and Irishman and an Aussie walk into a bar, but they actually sing the exact same sound for the word "bar" regardless of their accent. Best - K
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This is really fascinating, and an interesting new thing to be aware of, from here on.
Thank you for all that you do. I refuse, and have no way to forget the person who opened the doors for me to go from not being able to sing, to now getting compliments for my singing.
John Farnham. The B E S T.
2010, I flew from ITALY to Sidney…then Mudgee to see him live.
was that at oatley vineyard? my dad had a vineyard a km or two from there, he got rid of it a very long time ago though
@@hawaiianrobot precisely!!! A Day on the green festival!
@@gabryvk I hope the rest of that trip was a great time for you with lots of good memories as well!
Thankyou once again legend🤘
In phonetics, this is called the schwa vowel, the unstressed middle vowel. It's by far the most common sound in English, so this is essential!
Yes, I have a video on the schwa - with an Aussie accent in particular, it's one of our most common spoken sounds, followed by UK dialects, then much less so by Americans. Schwa ə is short form (away, Australia, another etc) where œ is long form (hors d'oeuvre, Australian English versions of Search, Learn, Turn, Dirt etc) and the one you generally want to sing in place of a schwa if it's required in singing. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Great point! Geoff Lindsey also has a great video titled "The Schwa Is Never Stressed - False!" on this topic, in particular with accent differences in mind.
@@EntangleMyWebsin that case, it would be a Caret/Wedge sound, not a Schwa. Schwa is unstressed by nature. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio That's the traditional definition I was taught at uni, too, but it's still an interesting topic with lots of differing points and observations. Nice of you to respond, unlike many other creators - keep up the good work! All the best, Santeri from Finland 👊
It's /ɜ/ (herb vowel) rather than /ə/ (schwa). Schwa is further back in the mouth.
Amazing.. you have a way of just making sense and cutting through the BS.. Thanks man.. Gunna practice this ….
Fkn brilliant video as always🔥
I very recently discovered this vowel (I think) by accident.
I don't know if you'll find time to check it, but I'll sing a bit of "Burden in my hand" and send it to you. Thanks to all these lessons, and the 20 minute vocal session you gave me last year, my voice and I are finally friends 🙏🏻
And to answer "What's going on?", a band of old rockers in Mumbai spotted me and have asked me to be their frontman for a Black Sabbath Tribute!!
Could you do a vocal analysis on maynard james keenan? The song in particular i love is "The Grudge"
hell yeah mane
Yes, I have been noticing when trying to phoenetically write out songs, that OE is pretty much the default vowel.
I also hate "content" "creators" that are just shoveling out garbage in the laziest way possible. Watching somebody watch something has to be the lowest form of media yet.
check out Jørn Lande he is doing that constantly. Ironically the ø comes close to what you're doing there. Also the german ö but don't let them fool you, they're different and less non-stressful!
yeah, the Swedish o is much the same, but I'm not convinced it's a front vowel - it's more in the throat and the tongue is lower. The OE is high in the mouth and forward... and yes, effortless. Best - K
What does John do with words like “so” or “no” when he singing in the d5-e5 range? for example at the end of the song please don’t ask me
"know" in that section of the song is OE, like n-OE, "to" is OE again in passing, then he actually sings a nasal OU (like a French sound) for "so" which is an odd choice, but it works for the song.
Question about your microphone. I see many people on CZcams using this microphone. Is this different from condenser mic? Is it better in any way? One thing I see that mount allows position the microphone so it does not cover half of the face :)
SM7b - it's a dynamic. I personally hate it, but yes, it's now the convention for CZcams. It keeps out background noise and has a slight air like a condenser. They've just got way too much low end - this is why voice teachers favor it, it gives them 'beef' in their voice (you'll notice I try to stay the hell back from it) and lets them sing in a poorly treated room without picking anything extraneous up in the sound. I generally use a WA condenser for most of my own singing, and just a SM58 for live or harder rock stuff as it's more of a neutral color, but use this for the videos where I'm talking. Best - K
I sent you an email with a video of me struggling to sing a certain vocal line. Hope you can help
Yes, have replied - go for EH on this sound and pitch - wider and higher in the back, not in the mouth. K
@@FoundationVocalStudio I'm struggling with saying AND
Depends on context - what vowel are you trying to sing? Is it AA or AY, or even OE? - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio I think the vowel is AE, like in aeroplane. But while saying AND nose is also used the shape in the back of my throat is different from AE.
Say what now? That's not what I suggested.
Still struggling with those F4 to A4 notes that I can hit in head voice but they sound like fucking Michey Mouse (or a total diffrent voice from mine). I"ll try that OE sound in like a stone to see what it does. Being french that OE sound is easy and natural for me. Or maybe I should stick to singing Joe Dassin. Damn.
Edit: Trying again with OE. That F4 is right on my break. It sound awful. Weak and airy. I hate the F4. I just don’t understand how to make it sound full. Like Cornell does in like a stone. Like Jesus Christ pose is almost easier then that damn Like a Stone chorus.
Sorry, deviating from the main subject. Singing frustration.
We'll go through this when we meet soon! The key is both getting the color of the vowel right, plus simply having the right balance in your support. K
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Great. We have a session next week. Not sure 1 hour will be enough. I’m very stubborn. 🤦♂️
Your break is actually the C below the F4, out of interest - if you get the F4 and you're not making any shift, it's too late. E4 is dead centre, and there's a break on either side about C4 and Gflat in your case.
@@FoundationVocalStudio
Interesting. Never thought about it that way. I’d love to understand more there.
For me the break is shift from chest to head. Which happens on E4. Can’t do F4 in chest voice. F4 is either full head (which sounds so different then my chest voice I can’t go from E to F on a song… it’s awful) or either airy and weak.
Would be so glad if you can fix me 😂.
Schwa?
The most common vowel in English! "ə"
I am not following you. Do you mean the 'er' sound ? If so, then Australians pronounce this two letter digraph without an emphasis of the r part of it (unless it is followed by another letter). The r is called a non- rhotic letter, very common in Aussie speech.
It's a schwa in speech - Ə - for example, the word Australia isn't AOU, it's Ə-stray-ya without an AOU and mostly without an L depending on dialects. So, correct, non- rhotic, no rolled R sounds like US. I'm talking about SUNG vowels here however, not phonetics in speech. Farnham is singing OE like in horsd'oeuvre - it's more of a front version of an OU or OO in singing. Try it, it's the same sound he sings at least 50% of his words. I've seen some call it the ER vowel, but, this is chaos for a rhotic accent like Americans, they're literally going to pronounce EEERRRRRRRRRR instead of a vowelised OE without the R. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Which words are you specifically referring to in Jon' Farnham's singing? Do you mean the er spelling on words like 'longer' where he draws the er out at the end ? I learnt French and understand the sound in 'oeu' in the French word 'oeuvre' - and that is actually has a triphthong. The sound John Farnham sings IS more like an 'ur' sound but with a soft non- rhotic r. As for the pronunciation of Australia , Aussies generally sound the first syllable as o or u.
@@barnowl. We're having two different conversations my barnyard dwelling friend. You're talking about ACCENT and speech, and I'm literally talking about how to sing these sounds - John Farnham doesn't actually sing with an "aussie" accent, nor do I - so, being a non-rhotic accent is irrelevant, and not the discussion we're really having here. It's not just your ER sounds that are replaced by OE in singing - it's anything like a Schwa, Caret and even consonants like L, R and W become vowelised versions of the consonants that are sung as OE. For example, the word "away" - I'm going to sing it as OE-w-AY in most cases, and a word like love is going to mostly be sung as l-OE-v instead of l-AH-v. Two different conversations., I'm not talking about accent - and this doesn't come into play as a singer. An American, and Irishman and an Aussie walk into a bar, but they actually sing the exact same sound for the word "bar" regardless of their accent. Best - K