My goodness I would've thought Phil Anselmo would be more towards the Lemmy/Death/Black Metal side of things where more traditional approaches wouldn't work but you killed it man!
His singing on Cowboys from Hell was definitely more traditional - his grit is more to the extreme side, yes. Similar approach on most of the Down albums too, more traditional singing with the extreme grit peppering it. Thankyou - K
Another great example of a young singer is Daniel Johns from Silverchair. Just put that first album on, Frogstomp, and be amazed that he was 15 when that was recorded. That record holds up so well.
I'm really focusing on the resonance and going for a slightly bratty tone - add some pressure to this and it'll be a subtle grit. It's less the sound of the false folds pulsing like others say/use, and it's more the sound of interrupted resonance. K
The approach to support I've learned is to pretend like you're forcing out a Number 1, lol. This is very similar to "appoggio" in Bel-canto. It contracts the muscles below the navel. I think when people hear the whole "squeeze like you're on the throne" thing, they tighten up in the throat. Obviously, that sets you up for problems.
It's oft misunderstood - Appoggio is more akin to lean/prop, meaning 'rely' on your breathing. A leaking tyre slow exhale is really the key here. Definitely not like taking a dump! It works for pushing and yelling, but not actually singing in your higher range Best - K
People can sing crazy hight botes with right techinc and choises..But the low stuff and low voices its a nature gift determinated by vocal fold mass and cavety form .. or? I usally talk in A2 and sometimes can go down to F-E2 , and after a good drink in the morning i talk like Phil Anselmo or Till Lindemann) ahaha. Wont to always speak with low voice even more than sing at all.
it's not just about high notes, check out the Mad Season or Type O Negative covers on the channel - this is really more my natural range. YES, you can extend/find lower range in your singing. Singing a D2 is easy every day for me at any time, but, if I'm working at it and really get my vowels right, tone right etc - I can sing a B1 in full voice, maybe even an A, but it kinda fry's out at that point. Yes, there is also an element of nature to this, I really don't think Bon Jovi or Freddie Mercury would be singing a D2, or even E or F2 - but on the flipside, I can't really sing like Freddie, right? Work with what you've got, but extend and build upon the quality. Before training my range was something like D2-F3, it became D2-F4 after some years training, and now it's about B1 to A5 - not that "range" necessarily makes you a good singer. Best - K
Hey Keegan, another great video man. With regards to the high notes, i can do it easily, but going down, it breaks. The high notes is not falsetto, there's thickness in it like the 80's metal scream, but when i try to go down the notes, it gets weaker. What should i do?
Nice, good stuff. I need to watch again and practice along. One thing I still don’t get. What you do at 15 minutes, you say it is head voice or head voice mechanism. For me head voice is falsetto. Justin Timberlake. Or Justin Hawkins in I believe in a thing called love. Which sounds different then, Jesus Christ Pose for example. BTW, you saw that girl sing I believe in a thing called love an octave higher 😱. Can’t say it sound good but it’s impressive.
The vowel really dictates register. When you sing up to head voice, if you just move into the position of OO or EE in the back, it'll be falsetto even if you connect it well. The key here is to bridge it out with wider/narrower/wider/narrow up into head voice instead of just going AH to OO or AY to EE. Best - K
Ha, me too honestly - well, worked it OUT 25 years ago. It took me around 15 years of wasted time and straining to really get somewhere, but, fortunately, you have me to guide you along a more efficient path
@@FoundationVocalStudio Indeed! I have some catchup to do before our next chat…. And I’m pretty busy these days. And I have that damn Bon Jovi song rehearsal with the band on Saturday 😂😂🤦♂️.
Do you have any tips for sort of strengthening head voice? I feel like I am kind of placing my head voice incorrectly or something, so it kind of feels as though I'm like a step behind doing lip trills if that makes sense. I know what head voice is supposed to feel like because I used to be able to do it decently, but I just can't seem to find the right resonance I guess, that feeling in the back of the head. Do you have any tips for this?
Have you tried this puffy cheek sound moving up into head voice? Keep that tongue up and forward as you move away from the puffy cheeks higher up. Sure, it resonates in the back, but - that's really dependent on the vowel you're singing. If you're singing a pure OO, you're not going to get that powerful ping because that vowel is two dark spaces - go for OE like OUI (French) instead with the tongue up and forward.
@@FoundationVocalStudio I've tried the puffy cheek sound moving up to head voice a few times, I haven't been doing the tongue thing though so I will try that. So with the OE sound, I have been working towards trying to sing that high note in the chorus of Take On Me by Aha, I will obviously need to practice the OE sound but do you think that will help with the sort of constriction I feel when trying to hit the note?
Well yes and know - depends on the source of the constriction. Remember, you need to actively use the CT muscle as your pitching mechanism from the centre up, and, you need support. The latter is coming to mind - are you feeling tight in the mid section by chance? K
@@FoundationVocalStudio I think I may be feeling some tightness around the solar plexus region/upper abdomen, and maybe that could be contributing to the tension under the chin?
Yes, that's definitely going to be part of it. Go OUTWARDS from the ribs at your sides, and exhale like a leaking tyre or a puffy cheeks type slow exhale - you'll feel the feeling of correct support. K
but im still stuck in vocal placement and where to place vowels :/ and i cant get ping in the /u/ vowel, tho i sing it like 'eh' like search(aussie) :/
Two different things. Sing in a comfortable range and literally move your tongue up and forward in your mouth on the OE sound like French "Oui!" - there you go, ping on front vowel. K
@@FoundationVocalStudio ahhh! so if im singing we are the champions i should say oui instead of we, right? i see, it makes ee vowel easier....but its the fucking /u/ that i cant ping😭
well actually@@ayanbahukhandi1869, it's a similar vowel. So, you would also sing OE or IH for "you", not OO - as a pure OO doesn't really has two dark formants and really has no place in rock/pop singing other than heady backup style OO's. So, "y-OE AH th-OE l-OE-s-OE-z" or something along those lines
I'm going through and trying to parse some of your stuff with what I currently understand, and I have a question... For me, when sliding up and down on that exercise, it doesn't naturally transition the register smoothly... There's still a hard break into head voice. What am I not doing that causes that? I'm pretty close to being a legit metal singer, but hanging around the first break is killing me after just a verse or two.
So, the key here is to work out the how/why - there's many reasons you're breaking. The first is because you're trying to "sing" this exercise, instead of just making the frustrated exhale and making the smallest/quietest sound you possibly can. When you 'try' to sing, immediately 20 years of bias/expectation affect the way you perform the exercise. Secondly, look at your breathing (also linked to point #1) - you're probably trying to "support" this sound so it's strong, right? Don't - the whole idea you need to 'support' your voice like taking a shit is quite literally BS; it's about controlled exhale. Again, there's variables with each voice, so I'd really need to hear it/see it to give you an appropriate response outside of this. - K
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Keegan, one of the few singing teachers on CZcams focused on eh... actual Singing... Great stuff dude
My goodness I would've thought Phil Anselmo would be more towards the Lemmy/Death/Black Metal side of things where more traditional approaches wouldn't work but you killed it man!
His singing on Cowboys from Hell was definitely more traditional - his grit is more to the extreme side, yes. Similar approach on most of the Down albums too, more traditional singing with the extreme grit peppering it. Thankyou - K
Another ridiculously helpful video! Thanks Kegan 🍻
Another great example of a young singer is Daniel Johns from Silverchair.
Just put that first album on, Frogstomp, and be amazed that he was 15 when that was recorded. That record holds up so well.
Frogstomp was huge here when it came out, I still give a few of those songs a spin every now and again! K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Did you Ride with them in the Best years of the band? Diorama in particular was an Excellent album.
I didn't like much after Frogstomp, too pop and musical theatre for me. K
Klasse, Keegan. Thx for the good content. Beste Grüße aus Deutschland 👋
Champion. Thanks dude🤘
Lovely! Thank you!
This is super helpful! Thank you! How do you add this very subtle distortion on top (referring to Anselmo lines)?
I'm really focusing on the resonance and going for a slightly bratty tone - add some pressure to this and it'll be a subtle grit. It's less the sound of the false folds pulsing like others say/use, and it's more the sound of interrupted resonance. K
The approach to support I've learned is to pretend like you're forcing out a Number 1, lol. This is very similar to "appoggio" in Bel-canto. It contracts the muscles below the navel. I think when people hear the whole "squeeze like you're on the throne" thing, they tighten up in the throat. Obviously, that sets you up for problems.
It's oft misunderstood - Appoggio is more akin to lean/prop, meaning 'rely' on your breathing. A leaking tyre slow exhale is really the key here. Definitely not like taking a dump! It works for pushing and yelling, but not actually singing in your higher range Best - K
People can sing crazy hight botes with right techinc and choises..But the low stuff and low voices its a nature gift determinated by vocal fold mass and cavety form .. or?
I usally talk in A2 and sometimes can go down to F-E2 , and after a good drink in the morning i talk like Phil Anselmo or Till Lindemann) ahaha. Wont to always speak with low voice even more than sing at all.
it's not just about high notes, check out the Mad Season or Type O Negative covers on the channel - this is really more my natural range. YES, you can extend/find lower range in your singing. Singing a D2 is easy every day for me at any time, but, if I'm working at it and really get my vowels right, tone right etc - I can sing a B1 in full voice, maybe even an A, but it kinda fry's out at that point. Yes, there is also an element of nature to this, I really don't think Bon Jovi or Freddie Mercury would be singing a D2, or even E or F2 - but on the flipside, I can't really sing like Freddie, right? Work with what you've got, but extend and build upon the quality. Before training my range was something like D2-F3, it became D2-F4 after some years training, and now it's about B1 to A5 - not that "range" necessarily makes you a good singer. Best - K
Hey Keegan, another great video man. With regards to the high notes, i can do it easily, but going down, it breaks. The high notes is not falsetto, there's thickness in it like the 80's metal scream, but when i try to go down the notes, it gets weaker. What should i do?
just what im struggling to do man, damn.
Nice, good stuff. I need to watch again and practice along.
One thing I still don’t get. What you do at 15 minutes, you say it is head voice or head voice mechanism. For me head voice is falsetto. Justin Timberlake. Or Justin Hawkins in I believe in a thing called love. Which sounds different then, Jesus Christ Pose for example.
BTW, you saw that girl sing I believe in a thing called love an octave higher 😱. Can’t say it sound good but it’s impressive.
The vowel really dictates register. When you sing up to head voice, if you just move into the position of OO or EE in the back, it'll be falsetto even if you connect it well. The key here is to bridge it out with wider/narrower/wider/narrow up into head voice instead of just going AH to OO or AY to EE. Best - K
@@FoundationVocalStudio Man, I wish I started this 25 years earlier.
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Ha, me too honestly - well, worked it OUT 25 years ago. It took me around 15 years of wasted time and straining to really get somewhere, but, fortunately, you have me to guide you along a more efficient path
@@FoundationVocalStudio
Indeed!
I have some catchup to do before our next chat…. And I’m pretty busy these days. And I have that damn Bon Jovi song rehearsal with the band on Saturday 😂😂🤦♂️.
Do you have any tips for sort of strengthening head voice? I feel like I am kind of placing my head voice incorrectly or something, so it kind of feels as though I'm like a step behind doing lip trills if that makes sense. I know what head voice is supposed to feel like because I used to be able to do it decently, but I just can't seem to find the right resonance I guess, that feeling in the back of the head. Do you have any tips for this?
Have you tried this puffy cheek sound moving up into head voice? Keep that tongue up and forward as you move away from the puffy cheeks higher up. Sure, it resonates in the back, but - that's really dependent on the vowel you're singing. If you're singing a pure OO, you're not going to get that powerful ping because that vowel is two dark spaces - go for OE like OUI (French) instead with the tongue up and forward.
@@FoundationVocalStudio I've tried the puffy cheek sound moving up to head voice a few times, I haven't been doing the tongue thing though so I will try that.
So with the OE sound, I have been working towards trying to sing that high note in the chorus of Take On Me by Aha, I will obviously need to practice the OE sound but do you think that will help with the sort of constriction I feel when trying to hit the note?
Well yes and know - depends on the source of the constriction. Remember, you need to actively use the CT muscle as your pitching mechanism from the centre up, and, you need support. The latter is coming to mind - are you feeling tight in the mid section by chance? K
@@FoundationVocalStudio I think I may be feeling some tightness around the solar plexus region/upper abdomen, and maybe that could be contributing to the tension under the chin?
Yes, that's definitely going to be part of it. Go OUTWARDS from the ribs at your sides, and exhale like a leaking tyre or a puffy cheeks type slow exhale - you'll feel the feeling of correct support. K
but im still stuck in vocal placement and where to place vowels :/ and i cant get ping in the /u/ vowel, tho i sing it like 'eh' like search(aussie) :/
Two different things. Sing in a comfortable range and literally move your tongue up and forward in your mouth on the OE sound like French "Oui!" - there you go, ping on front vowel. K
@@FoundationVocalStudio ahhh! so if im singing we are the champions i should say oui instead of we, right? i see, it makes ee vowel easier....but its the fucking /u/ that i cant ping😭
well actually@@ayanbahukhandi1869, it's a similar vowel. So, you would also sing OE or IH for "you", not OO - as a pure OO doesn't really has two dark formants and really has no place in rock/pop singing other than heady backup style OO's. So, "y-OE AH th-OE l-OE-s-OE-z" or something along those lines
I'm going through and trying to parse some of your stuff with what I currently understand, and I have a question... For me, when sliding up and down on that exercise, it doesn't naturally transition the register smoothly... There's still a hard break into head voice. What am I not doing that causes that? I'm pretty close to being a legit metal singer, but hanging around the first break is killing me after just a verse or two.
So, the key here is to work out the how/why - there's many reasons you're breaking. The first is because you're trying to "sing" this exercise, instead of just making the frustrated exhale and making the smallest/quietest sound you possibly can. When you 'try' to sing, immediately 20 years of bias/expectation affect the way you perform the exercise. Secondly, look at your breathing (also linked to point #1) - you're probably trying to "support" this sound so it's strong, right? Don't - the whole idea you need to 'support' your voice like taking a shit is quite literally BS; it's about controlled exhale. Again, there's variables with each voice, so I'd really need to hear it/see it to give you an appropriate response outside of this. - K
I had a vocal coach tell me to think as if I am singing out of the top of my head. And the air is drawn up rather than being forced through.
How can't achieve high notes pls give me tips
Tons of videos on the channel about singing higher notes. Best - K