Why THESE are the Last Remaining GOOD Gen 1 Pokemon
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Articuno JUST won a major tournament in Europe! Are there any other Gen 1 Pokemon that DIDN'T make the list in this video that you think can also make a comeback to the competitive scene?
I think Alolan-Muk definitely could have been talked about! It had great success in 2017 and has a very small niche in SV
Shout out for Articuno for having an in-game moveset and still winning
@@skullgrunt457 That's a gen 7 pokemon tho
@GrayVMhan so is Alolan Ninetails but that made the list.
@@GrayVMhan so is Hisuian Arcanine
Appreciate the kind comments about the editing, super excited to be able to work with the GOAT!
Gj dude
That was you?! Your sense of humor is killer 💪
Good job, mate. Really liked the vid
Good job.
2:03
ah yes, sleep powder
my favorite steel type move
a mimir. honk-shoooo, honk-shooooooooo.😴😴😴
The editing in this video is PEAK 😂
Ray Rizzo: Alolan-Ninetales has made top 8 twice at regional championships (9:20)
Also Ray Rizzo: Shows a picture of top 8 teams where literally none of them have Alolan Ninetales
Absolutely love your editing
7:54 *THERE GOES MY HERO*
Couldn’t stop laughing when I saw that
The editor he paid😅
Oh ok thought I was tripping 😂😂
WATCH HIM AS HE GOES
Curiously, recently one guy broght significance to Articuno as a relevant meta threat. Freezai done a video about it. Articuno showed itself a incredible Blizzard spammer because of the release of Alolan Ninetales + Aurora Viel. The thing is Gen 9 broght the defense boost for ice pokemon in snowstorm, so it's bulkier than ever. Sheer Cold can bully any dondozo that appears.
Yes it just won’t a regional! And an identical team got top 8 in the same regional.
I love articuno literally just running the "six year old playthrough team" moveset with choice specs
I can't wait for the Gen 2 video. Slowking has always been my favorite Pokémon, and somehow whenever the power creep tries to touch him my guy just keeps getting a small boost and blitzed past it. In Gen 5 he and Slowbro got Regenerator, in gen 8 he got a whole new cousin from Galar, and in Gen 9 when almost every Psychic-Type lose Teleport (even Slowbro, poor guy), my guy gets a brand new signature move that is even better than Teleport.
he tells a funny joke and dips. what a guy slowking is
Well teleport had more pp and negative priority, but otherwise chilly works just fine.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Chilly also negates other weathers without costing an extra turn and puts the next mon in a position to set up veil, it’s basically a straight upgrade in most cases
@@JamUsagi Not for trick room teams.
In a world where Slowking could pick either
Pros: Counters other weather
Enables own snow plays
Cons: Worse in trick room
Worse against negative priority
Incompatible with weather besides snow
Worse against absolutely glacial pokemon
Countering other weathers makes it pretty good, I can see that being worth more than losing to negative priority or really slow pokemon (a few of which Slowking actually does pretty well against if it can go first), but I don't think it either really climbs to dominance over the other.
It's great to see how all these old pokemon are still viable.
But there's one point I disagree on: Regional forms. Alona Ninetails isn't Ninetails and Hisui Arcanine isn't Arcanine. Don't get me wrong, I like these variants as much as the next guy, but they have different typing and potentially different movesets and abilities. At its core, those are different pokemon.
they literally dont even have the same basestats lol
yeah they are very very close, but they are not the exact same
Big agree, scrolled down just to see if anyone was mentioning that. Starting the video off with saying that the video would be talking about pokemon on their own merits, and then talking about regional forms just felt off.
I feel like your last statement shows just how power crept Pokémon is, when Pokémon such as Mew, a mythical Pokémon with a BST of 600 are now considered "Mediocre" in terms of almost all aspects except for the part where it can learn every TM in game is ridiculous to think about, so much so especially with stuff like Smogon's tiering that it feels like eventually by like gen 11-12 we'll see all time ubers like Kyoger, Giratina, and Zacian show up in the OU tier somehow.
Another good case is Arceus.
120 in every stat makes it... kinda anemic offensively. Nobody ever runs an offensive arceus without boosting moves.
120 speed is still pretty good though, and 120-120-120 bulk is still quite bulky.
In general the ubers offensive stat benchmark of 150 is also not what it used to be, unless there's like a 120-130 base power move behind it.
Its worth remembering that in gen 1, Mewtwo had a base stat total of 744. Only 7 pokemon have had a higher bst; Ultra Necrozma with 754, Primal Groudon and Kyogre with 770, Mega Rayquaza and Mega Mewtwo X and Y with 780, and finally Eternamax Eternatus with 1125. Even after its loss of 64 points in Sp Def Mewtwo was at the top until Arceus.
So besides arceus and powered up legendaries, Mewtwo is powerful
Yet unfortunately, the bad typing and practical lack of an ability have made it consistently a bad choice in recent metas
Was, I dont think is good enough. Mewtwo should get a buff. Raise his stats back to reflect what they were in gen 1, and give him a new signature ability. Something like, Savage Heart; his attacks whether physical or special always target whichever defense stat is lower on the opponent. If they are the same, the move works as normal.
Not exactly, its bst was 590, cause special is one stat. Similar how mew and Dragonite's bst was 500. Sorry if it came across as "🤓".
On top of that, Gen.1 Psychic was IMMUNE to Ghost and Dark didn't exist yet. So Psychic was only weak to Bug, which is so bad that it basically isn't a weakness, and Psychic was only resisted by itself. Psychic/Normal is closer to Gen.1 Psychic now really.
I swear this was a moxie thumbnail LOL
I thought so too lol
I've fallen so far down the Pokemon rabbit hole, I had the same thought, but Wolfie. Even though, yeah, this is more Moxie's art style.
They all just run together.
@@TheMaskedHerono i'm actually pretty sure that is moxies thumbnail artist, he retweeted a tweet of this video
@@saintmeao4243
Good call out. I had not assumed Moxie themselves was also the thumbnail artist, but it's good to know it wasn't someone being asked to very closely mimic something else that works.
Me too
No, the notoriously weakest pokemon are gen 2 mons.
Except Tyranitar
@@GonnaDieNeverAnd scizor
The moveset sucked the learnable TMS for most of the Pokemon sucked compared to now gen 1 is arguably one of the worst at least generation 2 fix some of the problems with Generation 1 but it did shit on its own Pokemon in the process
@@jdrmanmusiqking and skarmory and blissey and no one else.
@@TheMCcreepermen which aren't good in doubles since always
I appreciate that you pointed out that neutralizing gas fits weezing thematically. I think that's just as important as making changes that balance things competitively!
Honestly not sure if regional formes should count, but I guess they do share the name.
they're STILL the same species
Now I need a video without regional forms xd
Yea I dont count em either it's sad they all died
@@maganhassan2627theyr not gen1
@chiefmegaton4227 ...but they're the SAME species
Worth mentioning that Ditto gets a _double_ attack boost against Zacian (and similar for Zamazenta).
A Smogon original meta where Pokemon lose their generation number in every base stat might be interesting.
idk, even losing 9 in attack wouldn't make zacian much less broken, maybe if you double it, 18 is not much but is slightly better
@@alecrutz6979 It wouldn't be much, but it would also lose 8 in speed and its defensive stats.
One ramification is that Miraidon becomes slower than Mewtwo.
Shedinja with -2 HP be like:
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Shedinja would be the equivalent of a gen 1.5 Pokemon. Hopefully, it doesn't break anything.
I've always thought that Mew needed Protean; it's niche is that it's flexible and its lore is that it's the originator of all Pokemon. It learns Transform, even! Protean or something similar would be *perfect* for the little guy.
(Mewtwo, on the other hand, should get an offense-boosting ability. Since the thing that made is scary in Gen 1 was all the Amnesia sweeping, which if it had a mix of Simple and Clear Body? Stats go up twice, and can't be brought back down. Perfect for Nasty Plot or Calm Mind.)
How about an ability that lets him get STAB on the first move he uses each time he is sent out? Similar to choice specs but without being locked in
12:00 Talking about Shuckle - I am totally stocked for it's Kalosian (or any future regional) evolution. Just so we can put eviolite on the base form. Especially, if they would revitalise it with a new ability akin to Girafarig line.
Also give it body press
Would be cool if they gave it an ability like aegislash. In his she'll is high D, then out of she'll switches the stats
Thanks for sharing the best Pokemon videos on YT. I love this channel
I respect the hell outta Raichu for saving my ass in Gen 8 restricted formats. Unironically a great support during that gen due to Regieleki being everywhere
I like how Chansey is "Safari Zone Escapee" 🤣🤣 so true. Great vid
Great video! The editing was awesome and content was super informative.
great video ! I really like these historical perspectives from your channel
Mewtwo will always have JAA and Baz Anderson's Regional Win in Ultra Series at least. But the fact I had to cherry pick to find them proves your point. Poor guy needs a buff. Enjoyable watch, keep up the content Ray.
At this rate mewtwo's gonna drop to OU next gen
just give Mewtwo a relevant ability and mon will be fine again (not even asking for a psychic terrain version of Miraidons busted ability here), not much work even for GF unlike with most other gen 1 mons that seriously suck.
@@anna_medeiagive it something that buffs supereffective hits. Make that coverage scary
@@Skullhawk13 Neuroforce 👹
@@anna_medeia psychic terrain feels like a perfect buff ngl
That new Ability idea on Hitmonchan has a lot of potential. Maybe an upcoming video?
I feel like the Hitmon-trio also deserve +20 or at least +10 HP boost.
50 HP is ridiculously low and makes little sense
(similarly, Electivire having 75 HP and 67 Def rubs me the wrong way)
he's back and with some amazing edits!
"unlike jumpluff" ah yes the go to sun sweeper jumpluff is the curve on which we rate sun sweepers
Johtonese will use anything but the metric system smh
I dont even like Arcanine but I find myself using Arcanine several times in various VGC format. Its bulky with good attack and decent bulk. Also extreme speed is a great priority move.
I believe Arcanine will stay relevant in competitive for many years to comes. Especially now with its new Hisuian form.
Not really fair to count the new form as part of the base gen 1 lineup though.
Incineror😊
I've been using Venusaur, Raichu, Gyarados, Clefable/Clefairy, Magneton, Dragonite, Chansey, Slowbro, Articuno and Arcanine since I started playing and I've never put them away. Others too probably but those are who remain as my most used still in the current gen 😅 my all time favorite pokemon outside of battle is Nidorina. I do love Gen 1 but I'm not a genwunner by any means. GameFreak just had a blast with that first round of mons and it set the tone for the rest that have followed with do many classic designs and design elements.
love the editing of the video..
There goes my hero
@@llodskfj5228 I'm so glad at least one person caught this LOL
@@KojayTV it's one of my old favourite
songs, to see it used with torkoal sinking made me chuckle
The Frozen Abamasnow edit was clean af. Well done
I love that you are making content this good. Kudos to your team and to you.
Ray upload day is good day. Loving the content, delivery, and editing! Looking forward to the upcoming sleepyboi video!
Informative and memed up! I'm impressed
Super interesting video Ray, thanks!
I would love to see a video going in-depth on Gyarados’ history from you
mew had a special place for me with the only pokemon next to ditto that can use transform.
it was awesome to use that in alola times to steal buffs and heal back to full with a z move.
ohh and from gen one cloyster was also a thing, but dunno if anything changes so far that he is playable.
Obviously you'd probably need to do more to make it viable but I think with how it's lore is, Hypno should absolutely get Follow Me
As for other buffs, maybe give it a 10 point stat buff to its HP and Oblivious so it can be a redirector that can't be taunted
I never expected Muk to be one of my favorite mons these days but here we are. It puts in work for me in competitive. Such an underrated OG
I like it in nuzlockes til 4th maybe. (Most of the time)
Its weird how most of the unpopular starters and pokemon generally do lot in nuzlockes. Take chesnaught example. I hate to choose it but it so freaking good in nuzlocke considering how almost every early game to midgame uses ball attacks.
Especially electric type one forgot its name.
*never played its gen. Same as skipping gen2. Thats why my nostalgia glasses dont work at these games
Your editing style is amazing.
I like how he gave an epitaph for each mon
I used to love using weezing in the first pokemon stadium. He wasn't good but they actually animated him to where if you used fireblast, fire would come out of both mouths
It should be noted that canonically, most of the Legendary Pokemon aren't known to exist....
And Mewtwo should be as strong as a Peak Legendary Pokemon that is nerf'd (as it's stated in DPP & BDSP that Legendary Pokemon are often weaker when caught)....
And to artificially create a Pokemon of that level is actually pretty damn impressive....
That also means that is canonically the highest level of power a trainer can actually use with the Pokemon (without magic).
Not even 5 mins in and this video is amazing!!! Top tier editing
The wolfed shade, lmao. I live for this rivalry.
Gyatados/magi carp have always been my favorite Pokémon. Not only powerful, but i like the idea that inside every magicarp is the potential to become a gyarados.
Fitting that the Smogon logo is the posterboy of OU.
Love the quality content
Isn’t it awesome how our childhood favorites can still dominate in battle against the new Pokémon? I love blending my team with these sorts of hidden surprises
The Hitmonchan ability theory craft at the end was a really cool idea. Give the Hitmons all unique fighting style based abilities. Maybe even introduce two new Hitmon's for the other two special based stat distibutions as well, to "complete" the lines (ie. if sp.def or sp.att are greater than a certain number and/or EV maxed out Tyrogue evolves into those forms).
Hitmonchan: "Bob and Weave"; If This pokemon attacks first with a "punch" move, redirect any attack this turn to it's ally.
Hitmonlee: "Extended Impact"; Kicking moves force the target to swap out if they fall under half health.
Hitmontop: "Rotational Entry"; Removes all entry hazards and/or terrain on switch in.
New Forms and their abilities:
Hitmonyama (based on Yoshiro Akiyama, like how Hariyama is, and the Sp.Def evolution), a Judo based Hitmon: "Debilitating Throws"; 'Throw" moves lock the opponent from switching the following turn.
Hitmonzen; (based on meditation, name change can be on a famous fighter that turned to being a scholar or monk, Sp.Att); "Meditative Conditioning"; Contact moves against the pokemon have a 10%-20% chance of missing, rolled independently from normal accuracy checks.
I want Parasect to get the Anihilape treatment. A bug ghost evolution with an upgraded base state total of 495 with 50 added to HP 10 to special defense and 30 to attack.
Maybe even 485 with taking 10 away from speed. Allowing it to speed tie Torkoal.
Ray Rizzo! Boosting the alg
Even if you just need a tank to help round out your team, taking Venusaur isn't a bad option. It can be slow enough to use under trick room or using your opponents sun setter to your advantage. A bulky Venusaur, with Black Sludge, a Sun Boost while carrying Sludge Bomb, Sleep Power, Leech Seed and Synthesis can still be a major threat or switch in on some powerful moves to eat them up.
Great video Mr Rizz, keep making content 😊
Legit came to compliment the editing, saw multiple other comments on it, and still felt like I need to compliment it! It was so funny without distracting from the topic.
weezing has always been good, run it with assault vest, sludge bomb, flamethrower, thunderbolt, and clear smog. it can hit hard and is a decent stat buff killer.
Well with megas back for next Legends game and likely next generation - we can assume they gonna bring more gen 1 mons back into meta. I feel like gimmicks should also be talked, because at the end of the day, they will come back sooner or later - especially if they are fan favourite. Like we are definitely keeping Tera typings at least every few gens (BW3, if that happens, definitely will have that). And Megas may hopefully stay with us this time.
That PMD music in the backround going hard
I almost wish pokemon would intentionally make legendaries broken in their debut generation and then nerf them afterwords. Like you could even make it an in universe canon part of the lore where the respective legendaries are stronger in their own region and don’t have as much power outside their home turf. Then just do some standardized buff/nerf when they are or aren’t in their debut regions and you’d be able to have new pokemon feel impactful when they come out, but could overall have the list of pokemon across generations not need to trend upwards in power.
I love the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon music!
If protean wasn’t nerfed as hard in gen 9 then mew having the pre gen 9 version of the ability would make absolute thematic sense to complement its ability to learn every tm and in its lore.
Can Blastoise work If you do Shell smash and water spoat or am I thinking very wrong?
I honestly hope that Tera is here to stay indefinitely. Even with Megas coming in Legends ZA. It has so much potential to constantly shift the meta to at least some degree. Simply because new threats can surface throughout the year as the previous ones want for counters. Add new Abilities and Moves to older Pokémon and we might reach one of the most diverse fields yet. Yes, there'll always be ones that rise above the rest. But with the sheer amount of possible strategies and Tera enabling previously unthinkable options for them? It's that much more interesting.
When the video starts with pokemon mystery dungeon music you just know its going to be great.
It kinda breaks my heart just a little bit how snorlax and Chansey are still Pokémon that can be considered good, but their good buddy tauros was kind of just completely gutted in GSC and has been damned to obscurity. You really hate to hear it.
These videos are so much better than Wolfe's 3-hour video essays 😂
I know nothing of the competitive pokemon world, but I always hoped my boy Tentacruel was considered a hidden gem from gen1. I mean surprisingly one of the fastest watertypes, huge specdef (maybe helpful against the typically specatk elecs and psys), could even be bred to have mirrorcoat as a countermove and raindish to combo with blacksludge to make it really hard to kill.
But I'm probably overestimating strats I relied on in X&Y for a 3v3 all-water pokemon team to real 1v1 or 2v2 competitive mechanics.
thanks for the video
As much as i love my OGs i'm just glad a handful are still relevant as is it is impossible to realy balance a game with so many options. Same issue with trading card games.
Hello Ray, I still have your Metagross! xD
Gyrados is the greatest pokemon of all time. The lore, cultural influences, casual and competitive relevance, anime appearances - just unrivaled.
Full honesty, the Chansey game ending and revealing moxie as the player was the biggest mental flashbang Ive had in weeks
Thanks!
I feel it worth noting that Dragonite in Singles is a much different beast than in Doubles. To this day, Multiscale and its ability to set up while still being pretty chunky always make it an option worth considering.
I'm glad you brought this up. Seeing the abilities of Mewtwo and Lugia not to mention that stat spreads compared to newer legendaries leaves a lot to be said. Call it "gen 1 favoritism" but gen 1 and 2 do have the most mons needing help. Another thing that has bothered me for years since I learned it. Why do all the starters not have the same BST? Why is Venusaur at 525 while Charizard is 534, etc? All starters should just have the same bst. Their moves, abilities and stat spread already differ them as is.
I was waiting for the weezing part just to see Wolf's weezing
Bro did articuno dirty
2:15 where is the boxing clip from?
My initial thoughts were that gen 1 mons that got powerful abilities would be the ones that survived power creep, and didn't consider regional forms at all. I've always considered them to be separate from the original 151.
I cracked up at flutter boxing venusaur 😂😂😂😂
Weezing has always just been one of my dudes . He just so fun and has a great design.
Wish they gave Mewtwo the ability SIMPLE to relive the glory days of Gen 1 Amnesia...
the GOAT is back !
Weezing was great to use with Zoroark for me in Gen 5.
Isn’t First Impression the strongest priority move?
honestly, as a bit of a joke, my last "multiplayer" team included a Farfetch'd, and not the Galarien type lol
but yah, it is sad that you dont see many Gen 1 pokemon in "serious" play anymore.... I think the only ones that are still popular "serious" picks for high tier play are Alakazam, Gengar, and Porygon-Z, though that could have changed since I last kept up with big time play
It's a shame they haven't given Muk access to Neutralizing Gas. While I know it has been a nice exclusive, the original Muk card from the Fossil set has the Pokémon Power (Abilities), Toxic Gas. This made all other Powers turn off, just like Neutralizing. I think it would be fitting for Muk's Sticky Hold and A. Muk's Gluttony to be replaced with Neutralizing Gas.
Dragonite's 1v4 on a feature match was insane
If you have to make the new legendary pokemon stronger so they won't feel "not legendary" or "disappointing" you're left with the inverse where old legendary pokemon feel not so legendary. I thought of a buff for Mewtwo btw where it's like Miraidon's ability except it sets psychic terrain and gets faster in psychic terrain. In all honesty though this would probably be incredibly game breaking but that's the point.
Yeah but they wanna sell the new games, not the old ones, so it's easy to understand where the priority goes
I love that pokemon that came out like 10 years ago are here.
That's the true Gen 1 Era..
didn't zapdos won the 2023 world championships or 2nd place? might be in seniors I don't remember lol
Non-gigantamax Charizard also had a lot of success in early generation 8 competitive because it couldn't run solar power on its new form. That was still as a dynamax abuser, so I understand why it wasn't included
Format with all the past battle features please 😊
Love hearing about gen1 mons presently viable
misunderstands what power creep is but otherwise a good video
“Bulky behemoths like Snorlax?
Snorlax sitting in PU (or whatever it is): 😢
The face of Smogon deserves its praise.
Just wish they would put Starmie back in the game, let alone buff it to its old OU glory days.
I know it's funny coming from a guy with Dragonite in his name but I don't think Dragonite has ever been "irrelevant"
It's either had some busted tech (terra, Z-Fly, Extremespeed introduction, Multiscale introduction, heavy duty boots/weakness policy uses)
Or just been "Good"
Maybe it's less relevant in vgc potentially but I think it's always been kinda threatening there as well
I can't believe Weezing looked at it's buddy Muk from the og TCG and stole it's Pokemon Power
It's crazy how some of these got stronger over the years.
How come we never see any neutralizing gas weezing and slaking combos? I'm just assuming it will get rid of truant so Slaking can attack every turn