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Just so you know, not all new Subarus have excessive oil consumption. The consumption amounts vary car to car, engine to engine.
Just want you to know I have enormous respect for you ,and enjoy all your videos. If I lived near you ...I would happily pay only you to work on my vehicle . Keep up the great work.
I have a 2018 WRX which uses 5W30 synthetic oil (I'm using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum) and so far I'm not seeing any oil consumption issues. I'm changing it every 6000 miles and don't need to add any between changes.
My 2015 WRX(103k miles) isn't burning oil either and I haven't really heard others WRXs having the problem, thankfully. I'm wondering how the FA20DIT engines are designed differently than the FB20 and FB25 that accounts for the oil consumption. 🤷♂️
LoveClassicMusic0205 same. I have a 2017 Forester 2.5i with 40k and no consumption.
Agree. Which is the scary part. Probably better to use a 0w-40 weight oil and save the oil consumption. Nice informative video!!
Wow, I can't believe I'm finding a 17 minute talk on Subaru engine oil consumption so fascinating!
Glad you're enjoying it. 👍🏻
I already watched this video 3 times in the last 2 days lol
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@@ndeepowder Subscribed right after watching this video 👍🏼
laughed when i saw this, that was 17 minutes ago...
Customer: My new car ran out of oil.
Subaru: It’s a feature.
Manufacturer should innovation with an automatically oil replenish device. Since he says all manufacturer engines consums oil.
A device the owner can add an extra additional (4 ltr. or quarts) reserve supply of oil into a separate clear view container and the computer sensor would automatically add additional oil into the engine oil pan as needed.
Like government running deficit... Trust us, it's the way it should be...
@@loktom4068 ???? How about just checking the oil once a month or so. In years past we checked oil on almost every gas fill up. And changed it every 3000mi. Outside of all the engineering facts presented here, the actual act of adding oil is a non-issue. A five minute task. Not requiring an auxiliary oil tank by any means. I do know two people who have burned up their engines due to low oil. One actually driving around with oil light on. Simple checks of oil level and tire pressure seem to be all but completely forgotten today.
Forget oil.
How many people run out of gas?
at least it has that light that comes on... when it's literally EMPTY
I cannot say enough about the value of the information in this video. Thank God that you answered the call to create awareness about Subarus. Keep up the good work sir.
You didn't watch the video to the end. He mentioned that many car makes (brands) have similar issues. Just don't change your oil every 6,000 miles. Go back to 3,000 mi.
No need with fully synthetic oils, just more topping it off, which sucks arse!
As a former GM at Subaru(20 yr ago), I applaud your honesty. Subaru has done great in the
past in part due to their stubborness to change platforms and instead refining what they had. Long time Subaru owners tend to be somewhat fanatical and freely voice their displeasure. Still have 3 Subarus in my family....))
Our 2015 Subaru Impreza hatchback with the 2.0 engine gets its oil changed every 3,000 miles with Castrol Edge 0w-20 synthetic oil and Subaru oil filter. It doesn't use any oil at all. Now before everyone starts saying I'm wasting my money because I'm changing my oil too soon, please spare me the comments. I don't care about that. I'm old school and 3,000 mile oil change intervals work for me. My engines stay clean inside, they don't burn oil and they don't leak oil. Subaru and other car manufacturers don't care if your car wears out and burn oil. They want to keep selling cars. That's why they are in business.
I do the same.
I been using Castrol since I started driving in the early 90s, I use Castrol 0-20 and Subaru filter for my 2018 Outback. Never lost an engine, till my 2007 Chevy Malibu. Front cover leak and timing chain broke at 260,000 miles. Replaced engine. Drive it to work.
Smart man, oil is cheap in the grand scheme of things. Change it earlier than needed rather than later. Your engine will thank you.
I like the way you think. Both of my cars (including my 2001 Forester) get premium fluids. Both are >20 years old. I also do not ever put ethanol in my fuel tank. Sure, it costs a bit more along the way but car repairs are freakishly expensive
I’m having to change every 2000 in my STI, i do not feel comfortable just topping off.
I don't even own a Subaru. I just find these videos interesting to watch.
This is how the government will force people away from oil consuming engines into electric cars. Of course there is no plan for where all the additional electricity is going to come from or what will happen to all the used batteries one day. My wife's '11 Forester still looks and drives new with 85K miles on it. Oil consumption is light, but daughter's 16 Forester is problematic. Thanks for great video.
God bless you, man. With this short video you answered so many questions that no mechanic could answer for me so far.
I’m literally experiencing this right now. 70k miles, oil light came on with another 1k miles to go for service. We love this car. It’s great in all weather conditions, safe, but still for the amount of money we are paying for these vehicles it is inexcusable.
I have this problem with my 2012 Subaru Forester too after 73,000 miles. I switched to Castro’s full synthetic 5W30. I hope it will help and I will check my oil every 500 miles or before each long trip. Switching from 0W20 to 5W30 you will lose about 1.8 miles per gallon.
@@keangfamily checking in, have you had any luck with switching oil types? My light literally just came on again today.
Subaru is the worst car I've ever owned. I will never buy again. 2018 Crosstrek
If your Subaru has the boxer flat four, don't drive it any distance if the oil light comes on. It's one of those engines where it's immediate critical time if it's not pumping oil. We keep a quart or two in the back of my wife's Crosstrek, and I check oil level every two weeks regardless. Good luck with yours.
@Steve W I keep oil in mine as well. My Crosstrek has 86k on it . Fuel injector went bad. Apparently there is a tech service bulletin about this. Thankfully dealership is going to fix it free of charge since I'm out of warranty. Going to take 2 weeks to fix. Once fixed I'm selling the car and never buying Subaru again. Total lemon.
Just bought a 2023 Toyota Venza Hybrid AWD. Totally didn't want this car but I'm very happy with up to this point.
Loving your channel, sir. Owner of a 2018 Forester 2.5i manual, as my father toted us all around his USAF career in a 1985 Subaru GL station wagon. Over 300k miles, he cleaned the carbs and replaced the clutch plates 3 times, as we road through Louisiana, Germany, California, Italy, and finally Texas, where he sold the still-running wagon in 2002 to a college kid.
All engines will start to use some oil as they age, but low tension piston rings, direct injection, and turbocharging accelerate the whole process. In old school pushrod engines such as the Buick 3800 found in my 2008 Grand Prix, you can simply run a heavier oil weight to limp it along, but in newer motors the VVT actuators run off of oil pressure, and if you use a different weight it won't work right and could damage the engine further. Things have gotten to a point technologically where ICE engines have to be so complex to meet CAFE standards that electric cars begin to look more and more attractive as they become affordable for everyday people. It pisses me off. The government is hurting poor people the most.
This is exactly what I really suspect. At this point government could not care any less than they do how many miles you are getting to the gallon with your car. They just want to make it inconvenient for all of us to drive gas burning cars so that we will be encouraged to drive their ridiculous electric cars. when Hell freezes over will I buy one of their stupid electric cars.
That's like carburetors in the 1980s. They got so complicated for the very reasons you mentioned, CAFE and emissions, that fuel injection became necessary. That time around, it was an improvement IMHO. To this day, I consider the mere presence of a carburetor on any kind of ICE to be a symptom. I have never had problems with a fuel injection system except for one that had some leaks which were easily and cheaply fixed by replacing o-rings.
So true about electrical cars
Glad to see that you as a subaru-based channel are more than willing to call them out rather than just being a yes-man :)
Amen!
Thanks for your info mate. Very interesting, even for us in the southern hemisphere.
Great video, sir. I appreciate your thoughts and how you approach issues. 👌🏼
I been using the Penzoil ultra platinum 0w20 in my 2020 subaru forester, no burning of oil , and I use a Purolator boss filter , thanks for making video 👍
I did an oil change on wife's 2015 forester and not too long later she has a notification on the dash about oil. I thought I blew it and short changed the oil fill and was a quart low. Now I am hearing this for the first time. Thx for the heads up
'07 Forester, 186K miles, 5 speed, goes through a quart every 500 or so miles of in town driving. On long trips which we occasionally take, it uses much less, like a quart every 2K miles, which seems great in comparison but really isn't. It's my wife's car she got before we met and she said it never used oil until about 140K miles. 10K miles after that the head gaskets went and one of the heads cracked and had to be replaced, and the clutch throw out bearing went requiring a whole new clutch. It's also hard to get a good oil level reading on this car. It has to basically sit overnight on perfectly level ground to get a true reading, which may contribute to some folks thinking theirs uses more than it does. Except for the excellent 4wd, I'm not really that impressed with it but she loves it.
I love so much about my 2012 Forester. It handles better than any car I've ever had. Rides smooth. Great vision while driving. The type of car that is very enjoyable to just take a drive in. But I have to monitor the oil closely, and the consumption does affect the 02 sensors and other stuff. 87k miles. I hate to say it because, apart from the oil, the Forester is everything I want in an SUV.
You make complex issues understandable 👍
I've been running Quaker State Full Synthetic on my 2.5i 2010 OB. No consumption or leaks at all. I'm the second owner, got it at 108k miles. I drive approx. 2080 miles a month, and am now at 153k. I've been having very early signs of the transmission acting funky. No work besides basic maintenance has been done on it, but this has lead me to consider a newer OB, 2017 or up, especially if the transmission does actually go.
You literally just convinced me to keep my 2010 for as long as possible and maybe even repair/replace the transmission, rather than getting a new car.
Thanks very much for this information. Your channel has been invaluable to me as an owner of two Subies.
Excellent! Insightful. I was going to buy a 2012 Outback when I heard about the ring issue - only to find out from this video, the problem is more pervasive. It's the whole engine! To reduce emissions, auto manufacturers are creating as much or more emission - burning oil. Thank you!!!
Thank you for calling them out on this, I had 3 Toyota 4 Runners (10,000 oil change interval) and they didn’t burn a drop (drove all 3 to 30,000 miles) before I traded them in. So I am glad you call them out on this level of oil consumption.
This was a wonderful video thanks for taking the time and doing it. I had an 07 Camry that would consume a quart of oil within about 3,500 miles. I traded the car in and eventually got a 2012 Impreza which I'm noticing now is also consuming oil. The low oil light will come on I'll dump in half a quart to a quart of full synthetic and go on down the road. I'll check the spark plugs cuz I'm close to 100,000 miles now. Thanks again for the detailed information
Hello Mr Subaru. What a great topic for today.
I can hear in your voice and see in your eyes that subaru disappointed you with this weird statements about oil consumption.
Awsome content as always. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I have a 2015 Outback Ltd, purchased new and at 95k miles I had a great service rep and a conversation with SOA. They replaced the short block and at 228k I haven't seen that light in a long time. Thx for the education!
Your very knowledgeable and have an ability to communicate clearly, it's greatly appreciated. Thank You
You are by far the best mechanic on youtube
Clear logical and factually compelling. Thank you.
I just took my 2019 Outback 43,000 miles to the dealer because it needed 2 quarts of oil in a 2700 mile road trip in the mountains of NC where engine knock also started. I am doing an oil consumption test but was told that if it uses a quart of oil in 1200 miles it passes Subaru's standards for oil consumption. A fellew Subi owner from NC sent me this video. Very informative. I see now why the dealerships are doing all the free oil changes now since they dropped to wanting them every 3000 miles. Thanks for this easy to understand explanation. Wish I had kept my old Outback now. I can see where this Subaru trade up program also helps hide the future engine problems by trading for new you might not see the oil issue, spend another 10k$ in 3 years and the person buying the used one with less than 50k miles doesn't get the 100k mile warranty. It was good to see all the car manufacturers are doing it.
MrSubaru1387 thanks for explaining the oil consumption issues and the replacement of engine parts associated. I have a 2018 Outback 3.6R Touring with just over 8,000 miles. I received an email from Subaru to check my oil level. I did and it was very low. The car had 842 miles since last oil change. The vehicle needed 2 quarts of oil. I have an appointment with the dealer to run an oil consumption test.
Totally Unacceptable
Sad hearing this having owned a 2007 model.. had no oil consumption problem and now to own a 2013 model and hear this now!! I am in Jamaica.. and have to topping up with oil just too often!
Sadly 99% of people are ignorant and don't care about the drivetrain or well built engines, they just want good mileage and then trash the car at 100k miles.
I'm pretty sure that all the of 100k+ mile cars in the world are not being driven by 1% of owners
@@svtirefire in south america at least 80 percent of circulating cars are >10 years old and with 200k km or even more
It's not like we have a choice. The government is mandating insane measures to get efficiency up.
I bought my 2014 Outback with 37.6K in 2018, and now have 55.2K. I change the oil every 5K with 10W30 synthetic. It uses about 1 pint between oil changes. I don't tow with it nor do I drive the car hard. It's been a great car.
Great video sir! Just bought a 2014 3.6r Outback so will keep a close eye on her.
My 12 outback had a leaking oil pan and valve cover gaskets. Dealer told me engine had to come out - I jacked up engine and changed valve cover gaskets, oil pan and push on seals /with spark plugs. My oil consumption has seemed to stop. I had oil leaking into spark plug. Great video!!!!
2012 Subaru Impreza - 91,000 miles - Just got my new engine from the dealership for free installed. Make them do the test and watch every step.....they overfilled my oil first time and I had to do another oil change after 120 miles to get the test "started"!
Thanks for the video. My 17 WRX GETS it’s oil changed every 4,000 miles with Enos 5-30 full synthetic. The car has close to 22,000 miles on it. If I get on the boost quite a bit( how can you not ), I consume about 1/4 of a quart towards the end of the life of the oil. I don’t consider this excessive at all. It all depends on how you have driven the car. At nearly 60 years old, I do spirited driving on twisty roads ( remember what Colin McCray said about twisty roads), but not so much around town and freeway driving. Most of the late teens and twenty something drivers drive the car like they stole it, then complain about oil consumption and reliability. All one has to do is drive the car like a grown up, it will do fine.....
I saw a video displaying Subaru engine oil burning reasons...was excellent. The engine configuration alone adds to the problem...gravity and seals.
Omg thank you for the knowledge!! 06 Impreza with 2.5 engine. This was tremendously helpful. I add a quart about every two weeks. No seriously. Just had everything changed from the head gaskets up (out). Mechanic said, “It’s going to burn oil so keep an eye on it.” He was right but he didn’t tell me all the extra expenses that are going to come along. So, no. Whatever “improvements” they’ve made are not worth it. A quart of oil every two weeks adds up and then multiplies in the form of spark plug changes and catalytic converters 😤. Anyway, thanks for the info!!
They did not rebuild the engine correctly. I have the same ej251 engine in Forester 2004 with 120k on it. Zero oil consumption. The engine has never been open.
Thank you for the video! 2014 Forrester that has burned oil from day one. I’ve learned to always carry a spare quart.
Just get the big jug, saves money and you will always end up using it.
first time owning a subaru, my 2013 Legacy burning one quart every 2k mile since mile 0. I was surprised when 2k miles came up and oil lights lit up. I check oil level and it was below low mark. not used to adding 1 quart of oil every 2k miles, sold the car with 45k miles. it was a great car, but just not used to filling motor oil every 2k miles. Oil change every 6k miles.
If you haven’t already, I would recommend taking it to Subaru and requesting an oil consumption test. I “passed/failed” mine and it resulted in Subaru replacing the engine block and a couple other parts at their expense. Hasn’t been burning oil since
Drain that water out of the engine they call 0w20 and put 10w30 in. You will burn a ton less oil and only lose 2 mpg or so....My 2014 drinks 0w20, but barley sips 10w30. Been doing this for 50K miles, so far so good. Just let it warm up an extra minute when really cold out so the oil can thin out a touch.
Yes my 2014 Forester does the same too. I usually top it off at 2000 miles and then i change oil at 6000. I have 120,000 on it now and it still runs great. I change plugs at 60,000 and when i hit 95,000 i got all my fluids changed. The only other problem has been wheel bearings. I had to change 4 of them. 3 of them were on the right rear and the other one was on the left front. The first 3 were under my warranty and the last one i replaced it 3 weeks ago at 119,000. I complained to Subaru customer service about how could 3 wheel bearings go bad on the same side. They sent me a $500.00 maintenance coupon and i got it fixed with that. I am not sure if i am going to buy another Subaru when i am ready for a new one. I am going to check our the CRV Honda and see how many problems they have.
Great video. We have a '13 Outback which we bought new which we love dearly. We change the oil about every 5-6000 miles. It uses about one quart of oil per oil change. Actually, when we add the oil, we usually say, "well, it's about time to change the oil." As an old VW driver, I just chalked it up to the fact that boxer engines use oil. It's nice to see that there is a reason for it.
And yet by design, boxer engines should use LESS oil because of the flat layout, the components are already sitting in oil when cold start up.
Yeah but you have to understand the destruction that is taking place to your car, the environment and Your Wallet. This is pre-meditated FRAUD & OutRight SABOTAGE with bad intent. Was anyone warned about this before they bought the car . . . No. This should be a class action suit and all of the Car Makers are going this. My 2013 Elantra is a oil-blow-by. So is my F150.
@@jamesm.8392 Amen. 😠
Thank you for a most informative video, a lot of very useful information gives me a better understanding of the problem. Great work
Glad to have an explanation for this. My 14 Fozzy gobbles near a quart every 3-4k... Even driving like a sweetheart.
‘07 Forester XT here - had some consumption issues recently, turned out to be valve cover gaskets. Thanks for another vid! Also thanks for the strut replacement videos, did all 4 corners this weekend with hand tools and an auto zone spring compressor.
Oil leaking out of a valve cover gasket isn't called consuming oil, it's called spilling oil all over your engine LOL
I cannot thank you enough for explaining the real Truth about these SUV’s. My 2017 Subaru Forester has about 73,000 miles and is now starting to burn a quart of oil every 2,000 miles-this is a new problem. I changed the oil in June and needed another oil change in September and today (12-30-21) my oil light came on again. Sounds like it’s time yo get rid of my Subaru that I just paid off!!
Very interesting video, learned a lot. Have a 2015 4 cyl Legacy with 188500 miles. And yes I have oil consumption. But have to live with it. Love my Subaru. But will try to buy a 2011 to get the better engine. Thanks and keep up the good work
Thank you for confirming what I was seeing on my 2018 Crosstrek 6-spd. I am seeing a quart needed every 1500-2000 miles. No leakage or that my dashboard isn't alerting me to it. I will bring this up to the dealer next oil change. Great information, much appreciated.
How'd it go? They tell you "they all do that?"
Subaru will do nothing about it. Trade the car in asap. I'm in the process of trading my 2018 Crosstrek in. Going for a new Toyota Highlander.
I will never buy a Subaru again.
I love subaru loved my 17 sti. But the constant worry of the engine blowing is prob gonna keep me away from them. All the cars I like are turbo ej cars and the more I learn the more I’m seeing it as a car I can’t get big power from without spending insane money and it’s just not worth it. So many issues with the turbo cars. You’ve been so helpful thank you!
Love your channel thank you! I just bought a new 2017 forester turbo brand new a couple of years ago and now the dealer is saying I have an oil leak. Freak me out cause I have 55k miles on the car. This should not happen to a Subaru!!
Great vid. Honestly the more vids like this I see, the more I'm so glad my 2001 Forester is barely a Subaru anymore. Body, interior, chassis and fuel tank are all original. Other than that, it's basically a hand-built "Subaru compatible" rally car with suspension still soft enough to pass as a daily shopping trolley for the wife. Yes, I did spend a lot of money, but I now have a car with more durability and capability than anything you could hope to buy for 10 times what I've spent.
My 2011 outback 2.5 burns about a quart every 3,000 miles. Dealership kept telling me normal and not excessive. The only fix they offered was replacing my small block, but said it will probably still burn that much. This has been my first Subaru out of 4 owned that burns oil.
I have a 2018 subaru imprza 2.0 that is burning oil at 12,444 this was super helpful
Yall call it oil consumption, I call it upper cylinder lubrication.
PCVs are good for this, too.
spark resister coat
Thank you for being so informative. Appreciate your videos.
Thanx for your videos!!
The legacy continues, my Dad had a Subaru wagon in the early 70's, My daughter just got her 2nd one, (from an Outback to the new the family oriented Ascent), her mother in law just traded her 2015 outback for a Forester.. my wife continues w/ her 2014 Outback (we buy our cars new & keep 'em 20+ years) (If you followed my story telling all 3 had Outbacks for several years)
My habit is to use full synthetic and do oil and filter changes every 5k miles.
Of our fleet, the newest one w/ the lowest miles is the only one than 'consumes' a noticeable amount of oil between changes.---->>> (drum roll) My wife's (10YO) 2014 Outback, 2.5l H4, 110K miles.. Since new it has used about 1/2 a quart every 3K->3.5K miles.. I add the 1/2 quart then look ahead for 'good weather' to change the oil.
Well explained. I’ve replaced a lot of short blocks because of the consumption issue and I agree with what you’re saying. I’ve always used Amsoil SS 0W20 in my 2011 Forester since it was new and oil consumption has never been a big issue because of this. I’m not a big fan of Subaru synthetic oil by Idemitsu. I don’t think it’s a good enough oil for these FB engines.
I've commented before below. We have a 2015 Forester. Daughter now uses it for college. Her drive to and from college is 270 miles each way. I now have to add 1/2 quart of oil one way. Recently at the dealership, no oil leaks. Now about 110,000 miles and it needs a water pump too. Recommend a 2019 Forester to my mom and she bought it. I pray that she won't have the same oil consumption problem. We also have a 2015 Odyssey at 200,000 miles. Odyssey dipstick still reads full when I go to change the oil. Wouldn't buy another Subaru. Would buy another Honda in a heartbeat. Our daughter loves the Forester, except for the checking and adding the oil part, its a shame that we won't be buying another. If it was only the water pump at the current mileage, I'd have no problem because other than that it has been a completely reliable vehicle , but to stop it from burning oil, that's a repair that will cost more than the car is worth and at only 110,000 that is completely unacceptable.
Very informative. Thank you. 120,000 miles and a quart every 500 miles. I was never informed about the oil consumption issue and the extended warranty. It was a guart at 800 miles at 90,000. I wish I had known. I'm a gonna contact SOA. They either take care of it or I will permanently placard my entire Outback with the Oil consumption issue information. I drive a lot in an area that is known as Subie country.
Excellent info, thank you. My 2019 Outback 2.5L is among those sucking up a quart around the 3000 mark. When to 2 dealers and was told nothing is wrong, the 2nd dealer stated Subaru consider this to be normal. I've been thinking of trading this thing in for something other than a Subaru but after listening to your video it's not going to make much difference. It sucks and I'm a bit peeved, it is what it is. Seems like the only fix is to rebuild the lower end to tighter specs at the expense of mpg.
Thanks again !!
Didn’t start getting noticeable oil consumption in 2013 2.5 outback until about 120,000 miles.
My 2010 outback is what the consume every 5000 miles oil changes it have 219000 super video Mr Subaru 👍
Same Haakon. I have about 216000 kms, and use 1 litre of oil Forester 2.5xs auto, for 4000kms. So that means I just check each morning. Before I drive
I appreciate very much the details.. (2017 Outback 3.6R) Makes a lot of sense to me.. and I'm waiting for the issues to arise (82K on the car at the moment.)
you helped me understand this a lot! thank you! just got a new '22 outback, I will replace it in 3 to 4 years with all electric. new subscriber today.
How do you like your outback? Im thinking of getting one im between outback or a lexus nx
Thank you for this info... This takes me back to the broke kid days where I used to own a Honda prelude with the H22A engine... used to put a quart in it a week!!
No way I'm buying a $30K+ car and putting a quart of oil in it between oil changes... I went bankrupt, tyring to fix that prelude... cat gone, 2ndy O2 sensor gone, EGR valves plugged up time and again... I know what happens when car consume quarts of oil!
Love my 2002 Impreza OBS with an imported ej201, 6k miles on synthetic oil and filter, no consumption. The car is starting to have some small issues though from having 260k miles on it.
I just bought a 2024 Legacy and I am glad I found this. I will make sure to check the 1000 miles or so just in case.
Really appreciated this video by MrSubaru. I didn't know about them using oil. I have an 18 Forrester Touring Edition 2.5i, non turbo as didn't want that... had enough issues with my F-250 diesel turbo in years past. Just went out to check my oil and it is only about a fifth of a quart low at 1000 miles since my last 5000 mile oil change (so expect that to equate to a quart per 5000 miles). But since I live in the hot south and I have about 37,000 miles on it I may start using Mobile 1 synthetic 5W-30 from now on to protect is in the future... even though when I bought it new I had purchased a 10 year/100,000 mile warrantee.
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To me the most obvious work around on the oil consumption was to start using or blending in thicker oils in my wife's 2013 Outback which now has 117k on it. Depending on the season here in north Florida I MIGHT start with 1-2 quarts of 5-20 and finish with 10-30's, synthetics of course for about 6K intervals. Consumption is well less than 1/2 qt (or the remainder of the partial leftover bottle) for the entire interval. I feel Shell or Chevron gas is important to fight/minimize carbon deposits.
Check the exterior of the spark plugs to see if they are soaked in oil, you may have to change the spark plug tube seals to eliminate that.
Great video.
Thanks for outlining collateral damage that the average driver isn’t aware of when oil consumption (blow by) occurs.
It isn’t something that can just be ignored.
We had to replace plugs, Catalytic converter, and do a valve job on our ‘07 Grand Caravan with 95k miles for this very issue.
I’ll begin tracking my ‘16 Legacy oil consumption much more closely now.
Dude! Thanks so much for your very informative and thorough post! I just had my ‘17. 2.5, 6 speed manual engine block replaced on account of Oil Consumption (July 2020). It had been an ongoing issue from new. And now I’m still consuming 1 litre per 6,000 km! They are saying exactly what you’re reporting. That it is normal and acceptable!
I don’t want to let this go. I will continue to monitor and keep notifying the dealership. It’s frustrating and disappointing.
I also have a 17 6 speed. oil light came on at 5300 miles. by the time I reached 57000 miles engine blew up. I have been using 5W30 Mobile 1 with a little less oil consumption. My son use to work for BMW parts and I used the BMW 5 W 30 which did help with the oil consumption.
glad I found this. 2012 impreza manual trans (seems to affect it even more) and gone through 3 blocks with never any improvement. This one seems reliable so I don't dare warranty another one in case the mechanic screws something up now that the car is getting up there in mileage. Will probably trade out of it before 200k
This is why in 2015 I was going to purchase a new WRX, almost signed on the dotten line. But I saw on a car sales website my old bugeye WRX I purchased new in 2003 for sale. I just had to have it back. The engine was professionally rebuild just 5000 Klms earlier so it was basically new. 40,000 Klm's later and it does not consume oil at all. I replace the oil every 5000Klm with full syn 10w60
Aussie Taipan I just rebuilt the EJ205 in my 02 bugeye wagon with only upgrades being ACL race bearing and ARP head studs and I’m looking forward to getting another 170K out of her. She got rebuild after an overheating event due to radiator drain plug failing on highway :-(
Very informative video. Quick question, is it true that the 2.0L Turbo available on the 2014 Forester does NOT have oil consumption issues? And if so, why would it not?
I have a '12 impreza and this info is very helpful. Thanks.
Thank you so much for all the educational video you have answer lots of my questions keep up the good job
I am the original owner of a 2018 Outback 3.6R and i notice oil consumption at about 1/2 QT of oil lost every 3,000 miles from the very beginning. So between oil changes (5,000 miles) I can expect to lose up to 1 QT total. Also I have been using the Mobile 1 Extended Performance Filter but not sure that's a factor. I'll continue to log my losses but would like to keep this for the long run and I thank you for sharing all your subaru knowledge with everyone!
07 Tribeca 3.0 h6 with 140,000 Half a quart every 5,000. Perfect oil changes and even changed out the entire timing set at 120,000 before the guide wear caused problems. The entire set plus new OEM water pump was $1800 in factory parts. Took me a day and a half to get it perfect with no leaks. 50 bolts on that front pan torqued in order to specks. One thing to watch for is those flat braided exposed ground straps. They corrode in two really early. I replaced mine with rubber insulated. Improper grounds can create havoc with the CPU and others systems. Hopefully they quit using them on yours.
I'm the original owner of a 2018 OB 3.6 Touring and am seeing about 1/4-1/3 qt consumed at every other fill up. I have 40K on the engine. I run full synthetic 5w-30w oil and change it every 5K miles. I had several system failure codes come up at my mechanic's shop where I had it towed last week after hearing a loud "BANG!" when I started the car. The car was towed to the dealer and they act as if there is nothing wrong. Oil consumption is at the bottom of the list. I have 5 weeks left on my warranty. This is my first new car and now I'm starting to regret my stated goal of only buying used. I love my OB but this is all so discouraging to hear.
Sure wish I had known this before I just bought a 2022 Subaru. Sigh. Guess I'll have to deal with it and watch it closely. Thank you very much for the information.
Yeah its about like the 2006 and after 350z burning oil and getting called normal.
Use thicker oil and synthetic like 5w40 or 15w40.. if you don't have winter then use the thicker oil..
Wow you are a wealth of Subaru information you are my permanent go to now
Thank you; great information. 2020 Outback XT Touring; 30,000 miles, change oil every 5000 miles. At this time oil level is still at full mark at oil changes. Will update as more mileage is accumulated.
Interesting and very well explained. I drive a 2018 Honda CRV with the 1.5l turbo. My problems have not been with oil consumption (0-20) but with oil dilution. The oil level actually rises in the crank case due to gas getting by the rings into the crank case. Obviously that is a problem. I found your video interesting partly because I am considering replacement of my CRV and a Forrester is a possible candidate. It seems like I might be trading one problem for another with the same root cause. Thanks
Ummm if gas is getting past the rings then I would think you have an ignition problem because gas burns up as long as the plugs are firing properly. Maybe check your plug gap because they're not always gapped properly right out of the box.
I viewed this video again, and I have to say, after using the idemetsu oil and changing the oil approximately every 5,000 miles on my 14 Outback and 18 Crosstrek the oil consumption has been negligible.
Great explanation. My wife's 2013 Crosstrek with 150,000 miles uses a quart between oil changes. No leaks. ....it has a P0420 code popping up recently, so it's likely a combination of carbon due to the direct injection and it's thirst for motor oil. Pour in gas tank cat cleaner hasn't made a difference in dissolving whatever has cooked onto them, using different brands three times now. I'm about to clean the MAF sensor, throttle body, and spray intake valve cleaner (or the Subaru product which requires the purchase of the proprietary tool) just to clean the front end of the system in hopes of that perhaps helping with carbon. I'm not giving Subaru over three grand just for the cat. Not gonna happen. I understand the cost difference between some cheap aftermarket cats and quantity of precious metals, but if I have to replace the cats, I'll go that route. This is the first vehicle with direct injection I've ever dealt with, and I'm just learning the drawbacks of the system.... besides the "expected" oil consumption. She loves the car, and it's pretty reliable with the five speed (although we just had to have that rebuilt for $4800). Thanks for your videos. I'm learning.
2014 Forester... Purchased early summer of 2013 (one of the earliest 14's) Oil consumption issues became noticeable around 80K miles. Due to the amount I drive ~19K per year, I was already outside the warranty at the time the issue became widely known. By the time Subaru agreed to extend the warranty to 100K I was also far outside the extension period. Reached a point where at 175K miles I was consuming 1 qt of oil per 300 miles, adding a quart literally once a week. Finally 177K miles while driving down the street one day I stopped at a stop light (She was running a little rough earlier that week and had died once or twice but restarted without issue) while sitting at that light she died for the last time. Would not re-start cranked until the battery was dead. Towed to my local shop. Diagnosed low compression 1-50# 2-85# 3-65# 4-85# Tech says he coated cylinder walls with oil and that raises compression some but still low, in his mind this confirms bad rings. Diagnosed as "worn out, very sick engine needs rebuild". No repair estimate from shop. Owner says shop does not do rebuilds on Subaru's nor wants to get involved in finding me a decent used engine and doing a swap. Come get it. $240 in towing and $100 for compression test later dead Forester sits in the driveway. My question I guess is... is it time for me to learn how to pull and a rebuild the FB25 or is it time to find a low to mid mileage used FB25 and learn how to swap them myself? I have done other work to the Subaru and other cars but never pulled or rebuilt an engine. Is it worth a home rebuild cost wise? or easier and less costly generally to find a engine to swap in? want to avoid a replacement engine with the same issue. What model year engines can be used for a swap? Or is it time for the junk yard? I dont mind spending a bit If I can bring her back to life, just wondering if it would make sense to do so...
I have a 2010 Subaru Outback 2.5i Limited EJ253 71K miles (mostly city miles) now no oil consumption issues at all. I used Pennzoil 5W30 conventional + any filter until 60k and switched to Pennzoil synthetic with a Purolator filter recently, oil change every 5-6k. I get about 20mpg city/25 highway. At 60K I replaced brakes/rotors, tires, spark plugs, differential fluid, CVT fluid, and cleaned the mass air flow sensor and intake myself. Also changed the battery twice, now I just use a group 34 instead of a 25 or 24 it was. I do everything myself unless I absolutely have to take it to Subaru.
At around 30k my car started stalling and Subaru replaced the torque converter under warranty. At around 50k I went in to replace the wiper motor and airbag recall. When they finished the recall, there was a thud sound every time I turned on/off the air circulator button. Turns out they didnt tuck in a wiring harness when doing the airbag recall so I had to fix that myself. My car also makes sounds when the AC is turned on, sounds like water through pipes or something its hard to pinpoint, I forget when that started but I always use the AC. Subaru also has the worst speakers I have experienced so far. I have changed the factory stereo and routed 1/0 wire to the back for my future stereo upgrade I have been procrastinating about. It is about a 10 hour job and I am doing it slowly when I have the time.
I like my Subaru and plan to keep it forever, its the most reliable car Ive had yet and the easiest to work on.
If you're hearing running water in the dash, it could be air in the heater core. That, or water is trapped in the evaporator box due to a clogged drain.
@@MrSubaru1387 Thanks, I will look into it when I have the time, probably at around 80k when I change the timing belt (Thanks for the video). It started happening around 40k if i could guess that was 3-4 years ago. The sound goes away when I accelerate but once my foot is off the gas it comes back. I told Subaru about it and got the "its normal"
I forgot to add above I did a coolant flush, bleeded brakes/master cylinder fluid at 60k. Also did the "Big 3 Upgrade" about 4 years ago, 1/0 gauge runs of battery to ground, alternator positive to battery, engine block to ground and havent had a battery die since. Alternator charges at 14.4-14.5Volts before it was 14.2 I believe. The stock wires are pretty skimpy.
@@robertlee7775 our 2010 legacy had the same running water sound, it was a plugged evap drain like stated above
Great video! I think another thing to note is the affect oil comsumption has on timing chains and variable valve timing. Like chains stretching and check engine lights coming on for cam position or vvt solenoids. Not just subaru either many companys have these issues.
Excellent video! You have explained things well!
So what do you say about running 5-30 synth instead of the 0-20? Some forums/groups are saying this helps.
I have an '11 with near 200k and relative has a '14 with 80k. Neither have consumption issues I can see as yet (both are new to us and reaching first oil changes) but I want to go 5-30 preemptively.
Personally I don't see that tiny bit of increased viscosity causing any flow issues but (and if I'm not mistaken I think SOA has suggested 5-30 for "severe" conditions but there's a lot of mixed info) I wanted to see if you have an opinion.
I traded my Subaru in when the Subaru service technician told me it was normal for it to lose 1/4-1/2qt of oil every 3,000 miles. Unacceptable when the vehicle is less than a year old.
Also inconvenient for a new car, having to keep checking and topping up.
did you still have a loan on it? can we trade a car in that still has a loan balance? I think i might have to do that since im learning about all these problems
@@chachee15 ... YES!! You can trade a car that still has a loan balance. The process is something like this. They evaluate the car and give you a trade in amount. Then, if the trade in amount is higher (more than) the loan balance, then you get the difference towards a down payment. However, if the trade in amount is lower than the loan balance...they will add it to the new car loan in many cases. Good luck!
I have a 17 Subaru Legacy and have driven it 4k miles so far. I checked the oil this morning and it is still full.
@@chachee15 My 17 Forester is usually a quart low when I change the oil. This never shows on the dipstick which pisses me off. I love this car otherwise.
I use 5 w 30 Pennzoil ultra Platinum in my 2018 Crosstrek.. bought it new a year-and-a-half ago.. it burns no oil..I changed my oil every three to five thousand miles. 🤗
William are you burning any oil yet? I like Pennzoil as well
Just amazing video. Thank you Mr. Subaru. Seems like many different brand manufacturers design cars for lower rpms, lower gas consumption which leads to some technical issues. For example, Toyota Camry - there is a beleif that its a super reliable car, but...I had my Camry 2015 with 2.5l and 6spd AT and that was a nightmare: 1. All 2.5l engines come with lighter pistons, with short skirt, lower viscosity oil requirements - result was a Piston slap! Played with oil viscosity, did not helped much. Went to the dealer, they heard that knocking when engine is warming up, but they could not SAY that its a piston slap (which is technical issue), the answer I got is its a sign of normal working :) 2. Because U760E tranny come with torque converter which locks on every gear (2nd +, car runs on low RPMs) and wears fast, overheating and becomes a bit curved, so the result is: torque converter slips and you feel shudder at the time of converter locking. I changed AT fluid twice, did not help much. I negotiated with the dealer and it took so much effort to get torque converter replaced by warranty, but, unfortunately, it was too late and products of the converter friction disc (glue and friction particles) where pushed through the valve body and plugged there. It could be fixed I guess with valve body fast replacement, but there is no such operation according to Toyota Canada, they replace T.Converter or whole Transmission. My hands were down to fight again with dealer and push trasmissiton to get replaced. Awful experience with newer Toyota. Toyota wanted lower gas consuptions - yes, you get it, but there is a back side of the medal. Same with F series Subaru engines.
The lower fuel consumption is because of CAFE requirements. Since mid 2000s almost every engine switched from 5w-30 to lower viscosity oils to lower internal friction, as per CAFE requirements but in the process engines like ones in Honda CR-V, Accord suddenly started to consume oil as the oil rings were plugged by baked oil. 5w-20 synthetic and short oil change intervals or 5w-30 seems to work after upper engine rebuild (did a few). I know about Toyota's pistons disaster, I wonder how many other cars have similar issues.
@@pliedtka many of them. I’ve seen a few Camry/RAV4 with the piston slap and torque converter shudder.
My 2015 Forester (325K Miles) with 6MT has burned a 1/2 quart since even before it's first oil change. It has not burned more over time.
Have a 2014 Outback with 83,000 miles. Zero problems with oil consumption problems. In fact, I drove it out West last year for a 7,000+ mile trip, no oil consumption at all.
at120,000 it starts to eat oil im at 200000 now and its a quart a month
Are you using only Subaru synthetic oil or a different brand?
Jan Chilson ....Zero oil consumption...Is that the 6 cyl or the boxer 4 cyl. I have a 2014 outback with the boxer 4cyl 50,000 mi. and am noticing excessive oil consumption. Same thing with my wife's 2013 Outback with he boxer engine which has around 75000 on it...
Cyrus Johnson I have only used the Subaru oil.
@@janchilson9431 That's why.
Well- This video is bitter/sweet.
I have been planning on ordering an Outback Wilderness maybe toward the end of the year and therefore doing my research. I ran across your channel and started watching as you are a mechanic who seems to know their way around Subaru. (Much like the Care Care Nut with Toyotas)
With the information provided here, I cannot make the purchase. Honda is experiencing the same issue and I sold the Civic last year as the used market was in my favor.
Thank you for your warning/information. Back to the drawing board...
Just picked up a 2019 Crosstrek with 100K miles on it within the last 6 months. I previously owned a 2011 Honda Insight which never burn a drop of the Amsoil 0W-20 I put into it (and I used the car's maintenance minder for changes which would typical run the oil to about 12K miles!). Thus, I was a little surprised when I used an entire quart of it on my Crosstrek by 8000 miles (at that point, I didn't know I was supposed to be changing it every 6000 miles). When I asked the dealer about it, he said I'm doing "very well" to get 8K before adding a quart. After watching this, I 'm thinking I'm pretty lucky to be doing so well indeed! Of course, I'll be changing at least every 6K now and I'm also grateful for the heads up on changing the CVT in a previous video. I sure appreciate your vids, Mr. Subaru giving me a much needed real-world education on this brand!
I wish I knew all of this before I bought my 2014 impreza in 2017... 😩
2015 crosstrek with 50,000 miles and no oil consumptions issues and cvt is still running great!
How is it doing now?
You’re very right!! I do have now the same problem on my 2015 Subaru Outback! Can you believe oil consumption on 65 000 miles!! It’s crazy !! And I did not have that issue at all on my first 2011 Outback
2011 Forester 276,000 km, excessive oil consumption. Did not realize it at first since I never pulled the dipstick between 10,000 km oil changes, a random check while I was checking air filter made me realize it. Some of you may exclaim in horror at that habit of never checking oil, but I own 3 other newer vehicles that do not use any more than one liter between 10,000 km intervals due to random checking therefore had no worries. Since the Forester used so much oil I have stopped doing oil changes since the oil is continually being renewed by adding. I use long life 24,000 km oil filters and change the filter only. Now another wonderful feature of the Forester FA boxer engine is gasket and seal leakage which is now happening and oil running onto the exhaust. Sadly, I do like the Forester for handling and stability but will not own another.