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A controversial penalty during Pennsylvania Speedweek has folks talking today. We'll dive in, look at the video, and talk about what I don't like about this situation. Plus more on Outlaw drivers racing this week, Monday late model racing and more.
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Today's Topics:
0:00 On the show today
0:32 Devon Borden's start penalty at Lincoln Speedway
4:50 World of Outlaws drivers plans for this week
5:24 XR Super Series win for Bobby Pierce
6:14 Tyler Erb done with Summer Nationals
6:23 Hell Tour at Old No. 1 Speedway tonight
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7:34 See you tomorrow! - Sport
If this is controversial, just wait for the time when big gambling money is on the line for these events and arbitrary decisions change the outcome.
Yea that's gonna be lovely..
I'm in no way a Borden fan, can't stand the guy but he got screwed. Forget the fact that the pole sitter got on the gas and pushed high, Borden and everyone on the inside row was in line, the pole sitter was high. Waiting 20 laps to penalize him was the complete wrong move. Any track/series across the United States would have thrown the yellow on the back stretch and penalize the driver for the restart. Nothing can be done, the damage has already been done and if Lincoln raced tonight, Borden would be back there racing.
Lincoln speedway officials bring to mind an old nursery rhyme.
Three Blind Mice, Three Blind Mice...
I counted nine cars lower than Borden. It should have just been a complete restart. No penalties or position changes and it was the pole sitter that changed his lane moving up. How would any driver know what the pole position driver is gonna do at the start. Just drop the green and let them run.
Agree 100%.
The penalty isn't the problem it is definitely waiting 20 laps.
Unbelievable to think that if there was no caution, the winner would have been penalized after the checkered flag.
Lincoln Speedway Officials definitely failed on the call and opened the door for criticism from the fans.
Macri is also clearly lower than Borden when crossing the line, so he should have been penalized as well.
Macri was nose to tail with the car in front of him when they reached the chalk line; as were all the cars behind him- he did nothing wrong. Devin was the only car not nose to tail on the inside row.
@jsadowski44 the whole inside row was a line lower than the pole sitter. He slide up the track when he got on the gas. Should of moved everyone on inside row 2 positions.
@@billmellinger1134 wrong- nose to tail applies to being nose to tail with the car directly ahead of you. Look at 2:42 of this video. Borden is clearly out of line- Macri is in line with Borden. If Borden was in line, and Macri was not nose to tail with him- then it would be his penalty. This whole deal is about the rule book- not personal feelings.
@jsadowski44 So if you're starting on the pole all you have to do at the start is make quick move up the track and get the guy behind you docked 2 spots?
@@billmellinger1134 How old are you? Is your only racing experience in IRacing?
Your question bears no merit to the factual evidence presented in the video.
Glad you went iino detIl about the LINCOLN penalty call. We were there in the stands and WOW ! Did it make a wave of controversy throughout the place! We have headsets tuned into the one way COMs, and the rules you showed on the screen are told to the drivers by race control just before they take the green. However if he stayed in line I think he would have run over the leader. Spot on that the track should not have waited AT ALL to assess the penalty.
The problem is this happens weekly at Lincoln and it is not called. If Borden stayed behind Hartlaub, there would have been junked racecars!
Macri was lower than Borden. Not saying Macri was wrong either.
Also the entire inside lane is lower then the leader and Borden..
If Lincoln's track rule is that ALL cars must be nose to tail when the leaders get to the start line, then every start to every race this year should have been called back. Re-watch the start of the 6/15 or 6/1 sprint car features on Flo. The third-starting cars on both nights were well below the pole sitter at the stripe. Part of the problem is that the start line is located as cars are exiting a turn. When a sprinter hits the throttle, the cars (all of them) jump to the left. Virtually impossible to stay nose to tail.
Wonder if we should just move the starts to the backstretch, kinda like how they used to do that in the 90s but just with restarts lol. Stupid idea probably😂
So when is USAC going to make a decision on the illegal wgtc placement
Went to Lincoln once and had a blast (it’s a haul for me and they were the only place racing during Covid) but the calls recently have been bs. The woman making the calls doesn’t even have a good look at the starts. Have the guy standing in turn 1 make it. I know a lot of drivers are sick of it. As of right now I won’t be back unless things change.
A woman is making the call on the start ?
Now the situation is much clearer
If the 23 is indeed to "stay within the tire tracks" he would've ran into the side of the car outside row 2. This will cost Lincoln some money in the form of fewer fans and possibly racers. The 39 car did not maintain his initial arc at throttle up. And yes, a flagman is THE chief referee in this instance and would've been THE person to call out the infraction immediately by throwing the green and going yellow to start the event over with whatever penalties levied. I don't care if the consortium of officials agreed or not, the poor decision was magnified exponentially by the "committee's" timing.
Good luck Lincoln, you're going to need it.
We have to support all tracks not just our favorites. Dirt tracks are being shut down very sad to see. Chity officials or not!!! It’s racing things happen!
He got the shaft,ya he was lower but not ahead.
Not a Lincoln fan. This just justified me not supporting this Speedway. This happens too much at Lincoln. The losers are the drivers and the fans.
meh, still gonna go
Lincolns a great track. Bad calls happen. Will still go.
sure beats all these rubber over races tracks in ohio that are overrated.
@jessecromley5952 depends on where you are in Ohio, the dirt on the western side of the state where Eldora, Attica, Fremont are is alot better
Happens way too often at Lincoln
Saw this happen at an outlaw show a long time ago at lernerville. cost a local guy a starting spot in the feature!
Wg and lincoln must be sharing a brain on starts this year. The whole bottom row was lower than hartlaub and if I was following him I would have been lower too. He couldn't keep the car strait all night and he already wrecked Tyler Ross in the heat. No only that but to wait 20 laps to call a start is bs before the leader hits turn 4 that yellow better come out for a restart.
It looks to me like if the second in line driver had been in the tracks of the first car, he would’ve caused a crash on the restart. This looks goofy to me. Great show!
We watched that highlight vid. The first thing my missus said was, "they give him the penalty now with 9 to go." If a penalty is to be issued, the stewards need to do it within the first few laps of the incident so the driver can still race thereafter. If the stewards have no way of imposing a penalty within 3 laps, don't do it afterwards: throw a yellow and put the offender back a row.
PS: Why aren't there the same racing rules across the country?
All the drivers have a one-way race receiver from the tower they could have told him during the race you need to move back 2 spots or you'll get penalized at the next yellow
How are you going to move back two spots under green?
They should have recalled the start.I was told if the race went green to checkered, they would have put him back after the race.
This type of call effects the finish of the race which if legalized gambling was allowed it effectively change the outcome of the finish..
That was the craziest call I’ve seen in a while!
Eldora has this same rule . It isn't necessary to through a yellow and restart and take up extra time to reset the field . If I were a promoter I would have the same rule
Call me crazy, but throughout my entire life going to a ton of different racetracks all around the country and growing up at the track nearly every week since I can remember, I don't think I've ever seen a track not be able to immediately throw the yellow and either give a warning or dock a row for an issue on a start.
Especially now in recent years with the ability to watch almost any race in the country within a few hours after they're over on youtube I still can't recall a situation like this. I'm a fan of Borden for sure but I've also known Hartlaub for years, what a mess though.
It appeared Hartlaub drifted up closer to Campbell just before the chalk line. Borden couldn't react fast enough from Hartlaub's "slider" before the line. Where could Borden go at that split second?? It should have been a complete restart, no penalties, etc.
Yep bad start that’s my white line on the start. First time used Finley, Mill Stream speedway Rick Nichol with the All-Star show first use the white line for the start re start ,for anybody that wants to know. I see every body users it Cool. It saved a lot of time and fuel and fights. ( Remember ? ).
Bad call! The saving grace was that Borden finished in the same position that he would have without the penalty, probably.
Yes, if you don’t make the call right away, you don’t make the call!
West Coast Kid!!! Go Figure.
Blame it all on the flag man. OH wait. Maybe not.
As a fan, watching on Flo, the only complaint I have with the "virtual flagman" is that the screen facing the grandstands is WAY too big.
Sprint car Officiating this year has become a sad state of affairs !
Dumb rule if not immediately enforced especially if the leader screws up like he did
I wont even watch a race at Lincoln on T.V. EVER! After watching Billy D's CZcams channel and seeing the officials cant make a correct call to save their asses! Good luck Lincoln, cause you're going to need it.
I think what could’ve made it better is if the caution came out for Borden doing a 360, and they decided to give him his spot back, just to then penalize him two spots for the jump. Yes, I like watching the world burn.
The problem is there are not a lot of good Flagmen around ,so tracks and most series have the call from the Tower, so you get calls like this
One problem by not having a flag man anymore
The whole bottom line was lower . Lincoln has had issues for 2 years with restarts . Put the damn line on the front stretch
You said that these calls come from the tower. Is this common practice at most tracks and series? I assumed that it is since the in car radio, some dude on FB. Was questioning me about my assumption. Please verify you opinion. TY
Yes, race director is in the tower making calls.
I agree the caution should have been called right away if it was a false start. Fire the officials 😃 This call for some human intelligence instead of artificial intelligence.
Yea i dont get why they didnt restart and give the penalty right away like they normally wouldve. Normally if someone jumps at the back of the field they would wait till the next yellow to give the penalty. So idk, something about this seems backwards with the call. Now Im not the smartest pea in the pod, but i know something about that whole deal wasnt right lol. Been seeing questionable calls in recent months across the country. I seen that narc race the other night, and instead of throwing a yellow for a car that was near the bottom of turn 2 that couldnt move, they let them keep racing. If someone wouldve got off turn 2 the wrong way they wouldve probably hurt someone since they were still close to the racing surface. Im suprised nobody seen this, i think it was at greys harbor. Idk, just some questionable things going on recently.
Macri was down there also on the start.
What didn't throw the yellow right away.I have seen a track handle this ever, this viral flag man played a part in this for sure.
How did he not know for 20 laps? Do they not use One Way Radios?
In your slowed down video it clearly shows Macri was even lower than Borden
It doesn't help when there is a landmine on the pole.
My thing is usually as in all of sprintcar racing if you "jumped" the start its the flaggers responsibility to to wave the yellow and do a restart usually with the person who jumped losing 1 spot! This obviously did not happen, and in my opinion borden did not jump at all
Look, whare the race is at lincoln speedway. It's always at the same place.
What I don't understand why some tracks don't fix the ruts as the night goes on. I have seen too many cars bouncing as they race this has to be hard on the cars/drivers. I have watched dirt racing for forty+ years and know the track changes as the night goes on but a 20-30 minute delay can make for better racing. Thanks
So often rules (and surprisingly often, laws) are written without stating the method of enforcement. Also, I am not sure why the rule is written as stated; isn't it enough to state that one's front wheels cannot be even with or pass the rear tire of a car starting in front of them before the start/finish line?
Not much of a Borden fan period, but that call was BS!.
Macri was out of line as well, where is his penalty?
Totally over cars behind the leaders getting tagged for this shit when there's tons of times, including last night, where the leaders cause the other cars to get out of line. Kody messed up the start, Devon can't stay right on Kody's tail when the 39 is up at the middle of the track and nearly into Campbell. Also, there is NO WAY you have 3 officials look at that start and not 1 of them think it's wrong. If that is truly the case, Lincoln actually does need to be firing officials because that's absolutely absurd.
Always at Lincoln......
Macri was also lower than the pole position driver
The car starting on the outside of the second row was way out of line. Why weren’t they penalized too?
I watched it u tube and never knew why they put him back two spots. To me the leader moved up he should have been penalized. For moving up too !!!
I don’t know who hartlaub is but his start really wasn’t a surprise, he couldn’t keep the car straight all night.
Yep. He junked Tyler Ross in the heat
Tyler Ross junked himself, can’t slide up 3 lanes in the middle of a straight away.
@@kyledautrich2807 I think you need to look again. Hartlaub came down on him
What would Billy D say? Jumping starts and selling parts. 2024
Such a bullshit call by Lincoln!! Should have had a restart
This is one reason myself and half of the hanover area doesn't go to lincoln any more. Once you cross the line that's time to go. A bullshit call. Drivers need to boycott the track.
What even happen to waving off green going to a complete restart,
Borden was way out of the nose to tail far before the chalk line- a clear penalty per rulebook. Not knowing the rules of where you race is so 21st century- especially when you have clear 24/7 access to said rules via the internet.
What I do not like about the situation is- tracks and sanctioning bodies- are clearly not communicating with fans and competitors in 2024- and are self-inflicting the black eyes they are receiving.
Many tracks wait until the next yellow to enforce this penalty- they did when we raced in the 1990's until 2014, and they obviously still do today. Lincoln's rulebook is ambiguous regarding this. Skagit Speedway's rulebook is not. Yet Skagit allowed the same glaring jump to occur during the Dirt Cup with no penalty issued. Why is no one talking about that???
No flagman is so dumb .
By the rules he was out of line. Typically they only throw a caution when the front row botches the start so that's not at all surprising. Sort of a perfect storm because usually it is someone in the rear that's not going to make it to the front so no one cares if they get docked 2 spots. This wasn't that.
The challenge is where do you draw the line on throwing the yellow, do you call it back if someone in 3rd, 4th or 5th row does it or only the 2nd row. Why penalize the front row for someone behind them. It's a lot easier if everyone follows/knows the rules. As noted, fortunately it wasn't a green to checker. Yikes.
same people at both tracks?
Macri was gonna smoke him either way so its kinda a moot point.
I absolutely love macri, but im not afraid to say that devon absolutely shouldve won, also macri was out of line as well, no one did anything
Lincoln speedway went WOKE.
oh no!!!!!!!
I disagree… a real flag man would’ve thrown the flag!
Flaggers do what they are told. They don't control races anymore, and haven't for years.
Calls still come from race control.
no they would listen to what a race director would say I would not have thrown that looking at the replay but I would have said to the RD yes he was out of line but if someone is squirrelly on the start I would have allowed it AS A FLAGMAN MYSELF
@@DIRTRACKR thanks
A lot of tracks flagmen make jump start calls.
And if the race had gone green to checkered with no flag, then what they tell him, he gets third at the end of the race L O L What a joke and how many positions does 39M get penalized for being even lower than Borden? He’s the one who should’ve got two slots back or the white car that messed the whole thing up is the one who should’ve been penalized. He was clearly impeding on the outside lane, I’m gonna say Politics are in play here giving the win to the favorite driver. 🤷♂️
Could you please mention on your show that Huset’s will not refund tickets holders for the rain out high bank nationals. It ridiculous. They say it’s rescheduled. How can that be. It doesn’t pay the money and it’s a completely different event. We live in Texas and can’t simply drive to South Dakota again. Plus people have lives and our schedules don’t revolve around a rescheduled car race. Then Huset’s won’t refund our credit card. Please mention this on your show. Put pressure on them to provide refunds. This needs to get out on social media. Boycott Huset’s
BTW Flagmen are needed,just like a good score keeper not named Samantha,,,,it's not a good fit,,,if you know what I mean
Macri should have been penalized as well 😐
It's was a big BS penalty. Everyone knows this
So I guess u run the leader over cause the leader fired and checked up then guy behind leader can't check up or it's gonna be a Hella wreck smh bad call
Complete bullshit
Please stop tainting the racing news with your opinion. Just tell the story and move on to the next bit of news.
No.
His job to give his opinion that’s what his channel is about 🤷♂️ PA racing politics + Lincoln is ridiculous for making that call. Of course it was a young West Coast driver that got bent over for the benefit of 39M who was even lower on the track than Borden
@@DIRTRACKRNice going. Your reply was as succinct as your reporting.
Please don’t. I like your commentary as well
That's why these tracks are shutting down
Did anybody see anything wrong with the start by anybody - - - WTF kind officiating did we see last night? Didn't Hank Stram call some officials "over officious jerks" in NFL Films ? ? What we saw was unnecessary officiating. Then wait until caution to penalize. If you don't like the start, call it back - nothing new here - - - - - DUH
Glad that Gravel isn't racing this week ! Have grown tired of watching him in post race interviews rubbing up his forehead and then lifting his hat up , putting it back on and repeat during the whole interview. Does tight racing make him this nervous ? Bad habit or nervous reaction ! Oh I left out rubbing his nose in the interview also !