Hyundai i30N is no match for the Toyota GR Yaris - STRAIGHTS TOP, TURNS FLOP // Nürburgring
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2023
- 🏎: Car: Toyota GR Yaris
🐎: Power: Stock 261HP 360Nm
🕹: Gearbox: 6-Speed Manual
⚖️: Weight: 1280Kg EG (removed rear seats and interior trim)
🙍🏻♂️: Passengers: 95kg + ??kg
👟: Tires: 225/40/18 Yokohama A052 ( 300km driven. 90% of life left)
🎡: Original Forged BBS Wheels 8x18" ET45mm
🛑: Brakes: Motul RBF 660 + Braided Brake Lines + Endless ME22 Pads
🔩: Suspension: KW Clubsport (with alignment)
🌤: Weather: 25°C + Dry
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Make sure to watch until the end. There's a nice exchange of ideas about track dynamics and what to change next. I ended up forking out some additional money for a pair of anti-roll bars...
Have the anti roll bars made a difference? What ones did you go for?
@@GRfourfun this lap was still without them. Actually this was the lap and conversation that convinced me to buy them. Car feels definitely better under braking and seems to rotate better on throttle. I am happy that I added them.
@@GreatMotors Whiteline?
@@GRfourfun H&R.
@@GreatMotors Thank you 👌🏻
This I30N is stock apart from brakes, wheels and tyres. It had been featured at Misha’s channel with the owner driving it on hand controls. I think he’s a legend and well done to him. You also are a great driver and a fantastic car your GR Yaris. Good video. 👍
Thanks for the info! Very cool!
The Yaris does 0-200 faster than the i30n, you just have to see how it overtakes it on the straight, if you think that is stock you are too naive
@@sinonose0-200 is 19.2 for the i30N and 19.1 for the Yaris... that's from a stand still because of the all wheel drive. Rolling the I30N is faster 100-200 is 13.1sec for the I30N and 14.4sec for the Yaris. I have driven both stock and the I30N is faster.
@@kadj79 hahahhahahahaha
@@sinonose And you are laughing because?
A stock DCT I30N is a lot faster than the Yaris while rolling, 100-200 is 13sec vs 14.4sec that s a big difference. You would have put the same mod on the I30N it would have been a different video. Good driving though.
Great driving as always mate, I’ve owned an I30N and tracked it. I bought the GR as I got left on track by one, but it did have a tuning box.
Thanks 👍
Didn’t quite appreciate your passengers attitude, “F**ck U” to the I30N driver was unnecessary even if his technical comments were on point. You really know your car and the track , probably if you were in front the I30N would have struggled to keep up
Amazing video. Seems that was same change done to the setup just before the lap that you guys were talking about - what was that about?
As simple as lowering the tire pressure. Went from 2.4/2.5 to 2.2 all around :)
@@GreatMotors can't get simpler than that!!... and cost-effective too! Thx for sharing the tip 🙂
Mais um excelente vídeo. Teve um alerta para os pneus da frente, o que se passou?
O tipo do "N" conhecia bem a "rua"...
Ao vê-lo sair do circuito trouxe-me à memória o Pinóquio em Adenau, a bomba de gasolina que tem incríveis miniaturas, e claro o hotel e a pizzaria da família Schemitz. Em tempos (não sei se ainda está) estava lá uma foto minha com Sabine que encerra uma história curiosa.
Sobre a Bomba de gasolina comprei lá 2 coisas curiosas. Uma miniatura da MacLaren do Rosberg no GP de Portugal (não me recordo o ano) em que as cores da Marlboro era branco e dourado (em vez de vermelho). A outra coisa (um bocado foleira) foi uma torradeira em que na torrada sai o desenho do circuito.
Desculpe estes desabafos de velho...
Um abraço desde Portugal
Obrigado por mais uma visualização Mário! Foi um alerta de pressão, nada de preocupante. Eu tinha acabado de descer 0.3bar em todos os pneus e o carro não achou muita piada à situação.
A ED (bomba de gasolina) continua no mesmo sítio, e presumo que muita das recordações ainda se encontrem expostas. Abraço!
KW CS has relatively very low spring rates, 'stiff' damping rates can affect transitions but ultimately do nothing for mid corner roll stiffness.
Time attack cars run 4-5x higher spring rates (and automatically thus higher roll stiffness) but that would be inappropriate for the Nordschleife bumps. Stiffer ARB are thus a good idea to improve roll stiffness. With adjustable ones you also have another tool to change frontrear axle grip relation mid corner, just be sure to keep the inside rear on the ground if you want traction out of corners with the Torsen diffs.
Looking forward to see what setup you end up with, maybe the above helps a bit...
Thank for the thoughts. I have considered stiffer springs but what you mention is exactly what I am worried about - the car becoming too stiff over the bumpy stuff. I run considerably stiffer than the stock "clicks" in the KW CS, and as you correctly predicted it helps a lot in transition periods. I felt the biggest difference in turn in and braking. When we get to steady state, mid corner, that's where I noticed the biggest lack of body roll control.
I have since this video done another 12 laps - videos to me - with H&R adjustable anti roll bars. I was using soft in the front and hard in the rear. I didn't feel my rear wheel getting up so I think I am still good on the rear end. My inside front doesn't get off the ground in some bends (like icekurve) but I don't feel any traction problems when going on gas.
As part of my tinkering mentality I am considering moving the front bar from soft to medium. I still find that the car could benefit from slightly higher roll stiffness.
Any thoughts on your side ?
beautiful driving bro
Thank you 🙏
The real battle here (for me) may be with an i20n (better remap). In the latest and slow part of nurb, probably chases you better than i30n...
Anyways, great lap as always!
Jonathan is a top driver 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Passenger was annoying a bit full of himself
Sorry it came across that way. He was a nice bloke!
Agreed.
Yeah I agree, disrespectful acting like they were faster than the i30n which they hardly were. Guy is acting like he knows everything about the ring but spews out the most random stupid shit. You're more conservative blablabla, if you are so conservative because of him pass him than but guess what he can't.
haha i just thought " put in soll roll bars" (stabis) and right then your codriver mentioned it haha. So yea roll bars make a bigger difference than the suspension imo, the oem suspension is not so bad in the Yaris. I have H&R adjustable stabis in my Yaris and it drives "better" (highly subjektiv i know) than my frineds yaris with KW V3 suspension (set up by a professional)
is your yaris awd?
and by the nice video
GR yaris is indeed AWD. Thanks ✌️
Gr Yaris is obviously better! Great Video buddy!
Thank you ✌️
Korean cars are not sold in Japan.
Is the i30n a car like the Golf R?
Like a FWD Golf R. Or like a Civic Type R competitor.
@@GreatMotors
I see👍
By the way, there is a lot of talk in Japan about g16e-gts having a blown engine, how is it?
@@user-dn9dh3df4c no problems to report so far (running stock power). Car has around 21.000km. I think the valve springs are a know "problem" if you want to go over the 300hp, and I believe the rod bearings is also something that people change. I would not run more power in the car as is. You can here my passenger talking about oil temperatura at the end of the lap. It was already at 135°C and this with a stock engine. I would focus first on cooling.
@@GreatMotors
I hope it was a coincidence, because g16e-gts are handmade and unlike mass-produced items, everything is one-off, so the quality varies.
Looking forward to your videos.
I will continue to support you from Japan!
In my opinion the driver mods is the most important... See the ridiculous difference between you both. Well is too much and shouldn't be that.
Many factors to consider but more weight in the i30n is normal you can brake some later and faster corner entry too. About traction is very simple really 😂😂
But overall, I think you are better driver than him, as simple as that
Arranjaste um co-piloto!
Um muito bom co-piloto 😅
Meh, im pretty sure the difference here are the drivers. I30n and yaris gr are pretty evenly matched on this circuit
They are evenly matched cars indeed 👍
I30n had some power mods but needs brakes tyres & suspension to sort it out was slow in the corners
Not necessarily, a lot of the facelift i30Ns have seen over 300hp on a dyno. So if this Yaris is standard power-wise, it’s obvious why the i30N would pull away on the straights. It’s pretty hard to beat a Yaris on semi slicks and KW suspension in the corners
You are right. The Yaris bang for buck has incredible cornering mechanical grip. Even with the standard 225 wide tires that are not that wide by modern standards.
Car is completely standard power wise, it's a well known disabled driver in our owners group using hand controls for braking and accelerating, the i30n is a much faster car on the ring in terms of pure lap times. Yaris is a great car though but the i30n just edges it overall
From my perspective it seems that you were sandwiched or escorted by two automatic (dct or dsg) cars. The Hyundai i30n, obviously a facelift version, sells most with dct.
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My wife has a dct i30 and i can tell once rolling its proper rapid.
👍 I was surprised by how much faster this one was than my GR Yaris.
but yaris gr is too small making not a good car for family's that what is hot hatch is about but yaris gr is epic sport small car anyway
Hot hatches are not supposed to be a family car. It is a convenient every day car. I carried my son on mine for over a year. I do think it fits that porpoise.
I get both kids in mine no bother
Misha with i30N would make you swallow the words you chose for your video title 😂
Who knows 🤷♂️, I would have a great time. Much better than being a keyboard warrior 🫠
From what I've seen in your videos, I doubt you would have a good time... 😂
btw unlike yours my keyboard does little work, but my steering wheel works a lot and leaves me with a smile on my face all the time!
maybe you should rewatch the videos. Not many sub8 yaris out there ;). Anyhow I bet you will do better times on your steering wheel and PC 😘
Even with a PC steering wheel I get more pleasure than driving a concrete mixer truck soundcar like that 3 cyl... 😆
@@Bartpacman1I bet you do buddy. I hope you enjoy your 7.2.2 sound system at home while I enjoy my boxer engine on track 👌
You have to shift gears even faster. Here the i30 makes the difference in acceleration. Every time you change gears it pulls away
Maybe it's not a manual car :)?
Imagine if GR wasnt stock!
Upgrades were made 😉
@@GreatMotors Ah OK. Thought from the title it was stock lol..
@@dbank6107 engine is stock. See the video description for mods.
@@edinburghwatchcompany247 interesting I wonder why the speed difference was so big going out of the cones. I have done other laps with other i30N and speed was extremely similar to the GRY.
Yeah that can well be it. The GRY has very short ratios between starting and getting to T13 you go from 2nd to 5th gear. I had another lap with a i30N and I didn't get the impression the brakes were weak (at least for 1 lap). I am assuming you already did fluid for something track worthy and have braided brake lines. If yes, and you still find the brakes lacking I would just get something from AP Racing. For me having no confidence on the brakes is the worst experience on track
Obviously it’s 4WD what do you expect?
Way too much car for the engine. It was perfect for the Yaris but the Corolla is too American "fat" for a 3 cylinder. I personally feel like the Corolla GR is the greatest car being made right now but I can't bring myself to buy one without a 4 cylinder. It just needs a little bit more potential.
The 3 pot is lighter while bringing 300hp in the GR Corolla trim. For the Yaris that's plenty, the car doesn't fill sluggish at all.
a sexspec rabbit bunny golf was right up your bum for awhile. that i30n was impressive in terms of value for what it offers.
Definetely can tell it was tuned but possible everything else was stock. that said he wasnt slow enoigh for you to make a safe pass
Definitely slow enough for me to pass, I was just not forcing it. Gold was catching up when there was traffic nothing more than that. i30N costs about the same here as the GRY.
lol the i30n is faster stock, almost 2 seconds faster 100-200. nice try though, remap is good excuse lol
Shame that it was considerably slower on the corners 💀
@@GreatMotors Except its not - czcams.com/video/C_BAr5B6Tc4/video.html
@@GreatMotors I know it can hurt paying 20k more for car thats slower, but that's Toyota for ya ;)
@@bishopchristodoulos8153 I hope you see the irony in that. I say corners, and you send a video of a drag race. Ahaha!
Idk know how much the GR Yaris costs where you come from, for me it was actually cheaper that the i30N. Not that I would want to spend so much on a FWD platform.
@@GreatMotors If you actually watched the video, you would know the drag was at the start followed by a circuit race. Yaris GR is discontinued, so you're comparing new vs second hand. Next on the list to compare is the corolla GR which is 15k more in Australia
need engine mods!!!
Some goodies were applied between the lap and today 🫣. There are more videos to come 🚀
STOCK i30n (manual) lap time 8min 5 sec. STOCK gr yaris 8min 14 sec. Stock i30n is faster than the GR Yaris
stock vs tuned i no see any compare and awd vs fwd is not same compare and last stock vs stock n performance kill gr eat alive any weather rain snow any road and still is i30n top many say only positive and is have best grip best stability flat vs any failure gr cant catch n performance and never be i no see any play i see only dust by i30n play with you.
Now in English please ? Are you saying that stock per stock the i30N is the faster car ?
Yes it's faster, definitely more fun to drive plus it doesn't make concrete mixer truck sound like the GR 🤣
@@Bartpacman1Claudio, don’t be salty and just show up and do better 😮💨
@@GreatMotors The i30n is the faster car entirely in all situations other than 0-60 on and off the track. Professional lap times (on all tracks) prove this. I know the owner of that car, he is disabled and using levers for accelerator and brake. You obviously have better track experience than the i30n but if it was both with racing drivers, the i30n beats it. The i30n was stock engine wise as well as you made a comment at the start which baffled me, the i30n is a much faster rolling acceleration car than the GR Yaris. But the GR Yaris is an amazing car for what it is. Glad to have some new fun hot hatches made in recent time!
Tristan such a funny nice guy ...probably not appropriate, but he reminds me really of a bavarian skier called Felix Neureuther 💯🤯😨😉😌😏🙂😁
Was a really nice afternoon for me ✌️
6:51 Thanks Tristan for the great lesson. Never thought about that. 👍
Tristen was a great passenger 🙌
@@GreatMotors Not everyone would agree.
@@diremond3700 you can never please everyone 🤷♂️
@@GreatMotors If I were the driver on the other car, I'd have been particularly unhappy. Still, it's your channel, please yourself I suppose.
@@diremond3700 unhappy because of what exactly ?
I have not driven Yaris but i think my Model 3 Performance will leave it in dust. 😁
Good luck. Watch out for those overheating batteries and brakes...
@@GreatMotors Brakes in Tesla M3 Performance is better than 992 Carrera S. Overheating is a thing of the past. czcams.com/video/UmiZ6ayCBB0/video.html
You should be able to drive for that. 😃
It has massively more HP, so it is expected to be much faster on the straights (at least as long as the battery holds 😉). Other than that, it’s a fairly lardy, fat pig, meaning it is far from being a proper sports car.