The Ultimate Spurs Team
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- In this series, I assemble what I believe is the greatest team possible for each franchise. In this specific video, we're looking at the San Antonio Spurs.
5 starters, 5 backups, and 3 rotations players. A total of 13 roster spots on each Ultimate Team. It's not just about talent, but it's about building a team that works and gels together.
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Now that you've seen em, who wins, Ultimate Rockets or Ultimate Spurs??
I got the Rockets
Rockets ngl
Spurs. Duncan and Robinson both is their prime is terrifying
Rockets
@@celtics17banners84 yeah we never got that
That Starting 5 is absolutely terrifying
Yeahhhhhhhh dude. Not gonna lie, they'd have a real shot against the 96 bulls or 86 Celtics...
All 5 starters in their prime, I’ll put these Spurs up against any team.
Without watching the video yet and thinking about All Time starting lineups for teams, I can really only think of 3(2) teams better and that's the Rockets and 76ers. Lakers are a cheat code. Most teams can't beat their bench.
I'll comment again in 20 min lol
@@user-cn8nu6lq4w86 Celtics 💀 bro the spurs starting 5 makes that Celtics team look like a JV squad
@@VincentVincent_89 You're right. All they had was four HOFers and Larry Bird.
Are you serious?
Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, DJ, Robert Parish, Danny Ainge.
There's a reason they won three championships.. and were the best defensive team in the league.
Go home, casual.
The team has TWO Quadruple double players in Robinson and Robertson, one borderline quadruple double player (you can argue Tim had one in the ‘03 Finals), and one who is almost certainly going to get one soon in Wemby.
That’s crazy
This team will be overlooked just like they were for years, and they’ll be amazing just like they were for years
In 2k this team beat all others
Yep. The defense and chemistry would be insane.
Scoring on these guys is gonna be close to impossible.
Especially in the paint
@@pranksterboy8371Idk how Jordan is even gonna score on these guys damn they might win the chip
most of the points scored against this team will just be free throws with that kind of defense
What about the 2017 warriors? @@ThatAintTheThugShaker
These are players that play like teammates. That’s the secret sauce the Spurs dine on.
This team is stacked, the fact that Bruce Bowen, Derozan, and Aldridge are reserves just proves it.
I saw that Bruce is Draymond Green and that’s not an insult to Draymond. Bruce was a far better shooter and his perimeter defense is all time great.
He wasn’t as big as Draymond but in this modern era of wing 4s he could cover 1-4 while hitting 40% from 3pt range.
Bowen was great but Draymond's point skills made him a much better overall player than Bowen. He was pivotal to being able to play without a genuine PG so that Curry and Thompson could do what they did (and Durant). Bowen was about as good as the 3 and D roleplayer gets though but prime Draymond finished a deserved 7th in the MVP, Bowen wasn't that level.
Boris Diaw should get an honorable mention. He was instrumental in their 2013-14 run.
Yeah, makes sense. What's crazy is the honorable mentions list is so long, but it could have been soooo much longer. This franchise is absurdly deep
patty mills better
@@jonnyarnett might as well call them the basketball factory with how much depth they stashed over the years
Great team. It is crazy to think that a 37 year old Dominuque Wilkins played on that 96-97 Spurs team with no Robinson or Elliot, literally nobody else an offensive threat, and still averaged 18 a game. That's how good he was.
This team is cracked. Definitely has potential for all time WCF against the all time Lakers
rockets n warriors be there too
seattle okc too
@@p00lboy Warriors and Lakers are a clear tier above the others in the west.
Curry/Richmond/Barry/Durant/Prime Wilt with Hardaway/Thompson/Arizin/Green/Thurmond and Mullin/Johnston/+1 is elite. That bench is on the level of a few of the teams posted and the starting 5 legit competes with the Lakers and might actually be better on 4 of the 5 positions. Barry vs Baylor and Curry vs Magic are genuine discussions, especially for one year peaks, and Durant and Wilt are definitely better than Kareem and Davis on one year peak (this is prime Wilt while peak Kareem was Bucks). Kobe/West smashes the SG options though.
OKC and Rockets are really good but just not that level. Rockets only have past his prime Drexler over Richmond/Thompson as a possible win in the starting 5, depth isn't particularly close. OKC you could make a good case for Durant and Allen over Barry and Richmond and there's at least a case, albeit I wouldn't try it, for Payton vs Curry but the other two spots aren't really a debate and, again, the depth isn't close. Spurs similarly are in this tier.
@@lesbo37spurs can compete,their big D is very strong
Jonny, there's an important topic you should talk about: the 2003 Spurs run. People mention 2011, 1994, 1983 and even 1967, but people act like the Lakers dynasty ended with the 2004 finals fiasco (which it's kinda disrespectful to the Pistons, they outplayed the dysfunctional Lakers). But, people dont get enough credit to the Spurs for ending the dynasty and beating the Lakers the year Kobe and Shaq were head to head as the main player on their team. Even thought the Lakers didnt have enough talent like previous years, the Spurs were not much better either than the Nets that year.
I always argue that the Spurs ended the Lakers dynasty in 2003. Laker fans disagree with me saying it ended by the Pistons in 2004, which makes 0 sense to me
@@itsjustjohnnydanger Exactly. Casual fans are delusional with that Lakers duo and superstars overall. Teams wins championships, not only the players. They were beaten by the Spurs first, and then the Pistons outplayed them easily the next season. People act like the only lost because of Shaq and Kobe's feud, but the Spurs and the Pistons should received their flowers for beating that Goliath, not act like they lost just because of their lack of chemistry.
Love it when I see people giving the spurs the respect they deserve
Should have Big Shot Rob in there as a rotation player. He does whatever it takes to win his team the chip.
Yeah but his prime wasn’t with San Antonio. If we were just adding anyone in their prime, then Moses Malone and Tmac would be here
@No-xo1kx he doesn't need to be in his prime to be a good rotation player. He just needs his mentality and the ability to still make that shot. He still had that going into the Spurs.
Including body checking Steve Nash
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It’s crazy that Wemby is already on this team and I have zero issue with it. Like dude hasn’t even finished his rookie year and he’s already one of the 13 best players (maybe not yet greatest) player to play for the Spurs who are one of the better all time franchises the NBA has seen
Wemby’s potential is crazy man
Being in the second unit of an all time team of a franchise thats been around for a long time while still being in your rookie season just shows how crazy Wembanyama is
Terry Cummings was a consistent twenty point scorer and ten rebound guy for most of his career and was one of the most reliable power forwards in the league.
After a trade to San Antonio in 1989 he teamed with David Robinson to make the Spurs a title contender helping the team reach back to back 50 win seasons in the early 90's.
I would have added Boris Diaw to the honorable mentions. He was instrumental to 2013 & 2014.
This team is loaded. Their best attribute is probably defense. But, they're not lacking offense at all. Plus, there would be a lot of continuity because a lot of their team played together at some point.
The fact that wemby is a top 10 spur of all time having not even finished his rookie season is a testament to how great hes going to be
Love The Admiral! Always nice to see him get love and respect.
Imagine momentarily being happy once TD, The Admiral, and Kawhi checking out then realizing Wemby, Rodman, and Bowen are coming out off the bench. Frontcourts will suffocate against this team.
As a Spurs fan for over 20+ years I agree with this unit. You forgot the coach, the man and legendary coach Pop to lead this crew. ❤
I’ve been a spurs supporter for a long time. Yet I also know that Pop put himself in the best position for success ever. Robinson was hurt. They got the number one draft pick and took over as coach, from his own choosing. Pops amazing but is he as good as the record or did Tim Duncan give him that HOF career?
I would switch Bowen with Elliott personally but besides that that's a solid list. Just imagine Manu, Robertson, Bowen, Rodman, and Wemby at the same time
You said Manu at point and I said wtf... and then you put Dog at the 2 and I'm ok with Manu being the 1 lol.
I have Kenon as my #2 PF. Otherwise this is a pretty easy team to build. Even though they only had about a decade and a half where they were truly competitive, their stars are SO good I legit think they would compete with the Lakers for the all-time Western championship.
In any era this team could legitimately challenge Bill Russell’s Celtics’ record 11 championships in 13 years
Man is this team stacked! Happy to see my boy Dennis in here. He was amazing as a Spur
The Spurs have really had some of the best players ever
Very good team. For the battle between The Texas teams, I gotta give an edge to San Antonio. If I may suggest, after you finish with the Ultimate NBA Teams, maybe a new shorter series could be ultimate Decade teams. From the 50s to the 20s.
Oh I love that! Yes, I'll put that on my to-do list.
@@jonnyarnett 👍
@@jonnyarnett oh that's going to be cool. I've seen others try something similar, but with your knowledge of the older generation of basketball, I trust your judgment best
Great idea. Even better if it's done by every 5-year span instead of 10.
Guys that are worth considering more highly:
Big Shot Rob (second unit). Dude was clutch. Every broadcast, the commentators liked to talk up his "intangibles", but let's be real, you don't win 7 rings on luck alone. Guy created his own luck, and worked hard to repeatedly put himself in that position.
Danny Green (rotation?). People often forget that had the Spurs won Game 6 in 2013 (up 5 with ~30 seconds left), that Danny Green might have had a Finals MVP (more likely Kawhi would have gotten one then, but Duncan and Parker both had Finals MVPs prior, and with the Spurs playing unselfish basketball, there's both some beauty and justice in their Finals MVPs being spread out).
Steve Kerr (definitely rotation). Guy was an all time shooter who knew his role.
Boris Diaw (honorable mention). In the "metagame" of basketball where things can get predictable, Diaw was a creative genius (similar to, but not necessarily on the same level as Ginobli/Jason Williams) helping to keep opponents from being able to predict what's going to happen.
Guys I like from your list, but that maybe should be a bit lower:
Aldridge. I liked him during his time in San Antonio. Unfortunately the standard here, though, is winning in the playoffs, and Aldridge didn't quite get that done enough (which isn't quite fair to him, considering that as the height of the Warriors dynasty). All that said, not sure what you'd be looking to get out of him as your 4th big, other than simply having a 4th big. Like, if you're actually pitting all time teams against each other, and the concern is having enough big guys to foul Shaq... then I think you want Artis Gilmore because he'd actually play D on Shaq.
Derozen. I love how he can play, but he's also more of an isolation threat. Team identity here should be some combination of 2014 Beatiful game on offense, twin towers smothering defense. I don't think Demar's skills necessarily fit that bill
Something that I only now realize I wish you included in these videos, is attaching a coach to these teams. I came to this conclusion after I realized Popovich coached the vast majority of this ultimate team
Great to see the other Spurs legends get some love nice video...
Absolutely astonishing team. Avery Johnson deserves more credit.
I found it fascinating that you chose Victor Wembanyama as a rookie to be on the All-Spurs team. I keep seeing CZcams videos about him saying we’ve never seen any rookie with those kind of numbers and skills before. But having viewed many of your videos about Wilt Chamberlain, I would disagree.- I know that Wilt had those kind of numbers as a rookie, but he is forgotten because the didn’t keep track of blocks and steals in his day. I would love to see a video comparing Wembanyama with Wilt!
Manu and Elliott leading the 2nd unit is insaaaaane
Never saw them play together. But if they did - oh boy.
I've been waiting for this video and am not disappointed at all. This team will absolutely destroy
I would have expected Terry Cummings over LA. Larry Kenon was always a favorite in my childhood. Him and Iceman put on a show.
Great video. I've been waiting for this one.
I am a lifelong Spurs fan and this is the exact starting lineup and bench I would go with. Great picks!
Should have mentioned how Wemby is leading the league BY FAR in stocks in his rookie year and has somewhat of a case for DPOY
AND in limited minutes. Wemby's a freak, dude. Imagine his abilities 7 years from now, and imagine if he had teammates who actually fed him. As hyped as he is, I feel like some people STILL don't see how high his ceiling can be, which is crazy.
Needed a new Jonny today
The frontcourt is intimidating. Duncan, Robinson, and Leonard are excellent defenders (and superb scorers) and it would be tough to score on them or stop them, let alone rebound over them. Parker and Iceman would be a high octane backcourt too.
I was originally surprised to see Manu at the 1 but you have a great case for that, especially the Harden comparison. I like the Robertson and Manu backcourt, esp given the height advantage Manu would have over most PGs, the defense of Robertson, and their scoring.
I remember the Memorial Day shot by Elliot and like how he and Manu would bring spacing and great 3 point shooting.
Rodman and Wemby would also be a tough frontcourt to score on and rebound against. And the latter would make up for the former's lack of scoring.
Awesome rotation players. They have a good mix of shootong (DeRozan and Bowen), defense (Bowen and Alridge), and rebounding (Alrdige).
I agree - I admire how they are great at the fundamentals and are so balanced. Probably the most well balanced team so far.
Awesome video! Happy Sunday, Jonny!
CONTINUE THE SERIES PLEASE THE ONLY REASON I WAKE UP IS BECAUSE OF THIS
Thank you for.making this kind of video :) ❤
Love this series! I would love to see a list of your top 5 or 10 best NBA head coaches of all time or maybe the best head coach from each team.
Also a prime Duncan and Admiral is going to be insane to stop.
Been Waiting For My Spurs 💪🏿💯🦍
What would have taken this series to the next level is choosing the coach that would coach these guys. If Pop is coaching these guys this is the number one seed in the west hands down
When it's all said and done, the front court of Duncan and Wemby could be the greatest of all time. This could put the Spurs in the top 3 with Celtics and lakers
George Gervin is my pick for most underrated player ever
Manu Ginobili at point guard! Good work Jonny!
Championship 🏆 San Antonio Spurs team nothing unusual or surprising there...
Should Boris Diaw be there? He was instrumental in spacing the floor, make timely passes and underrated defense for the 2014 championships. At least, he can be in the honorable mentions.
I think James Silas is one of those '70s players who is unjustly overlooked. He spent 11 years with the Spurs, nine of them quite productive, and had a really good shooting percentage for a 6-1 guard.
One of the best All Time teams in the west. I’d love to see them face an offensive juggernaut. One of my favorite all time rosters and I believe it would have some of the best chemistry out of all the teams.
I love this team. They have so many incredible strengths that can easily turn a game into their favor, but we all knew this team would have a defense that makes the 1985 Chicago Bears look simple in comparison. But the thing that stands out to me the most is how many unicorn like players this team has. You want a two-way forward with bear-like hands? Here's Kawhi Leonard. You want a historic scorer? Here's the Iceman. You want Hall of Fame level big men that arrange from being so impactful to a franchise that it still feels like he underachieved from a talent perspective, a Navy veteran with unbelieveable skills on both sides of the floor consistently, and another guy that might be even freakier than that? Here's Tim Duncan, David Robinson, and Victor Wembanyama. You want historic perimeter defense that can possibly rival MJ? Well then, it's time for Jonny to pay homage to a man that would easily be in the Basketball HOF and get more recognition if not for a horrible sexual child assault scandal THAT NEVER EVEN HAPPENED in Alvin Robertson. Don't get me wrong, he's not completely clean, but he really got screwed over there. Look it up. But there's not enough pure scorers, you say. Ok. Here's DeRozan and LA for you.
I want to say this team would be an easy 3rd round appearance. I really do. But sadly, there's just better. This may be the most well-rounded team, but sometimes a team can be so good at one area that it overpowers through. The Rockets have a historic offense (yes, defense wins championships, but unstoppable forces beat immovable objects). The Warriors have historic floor spacing. And the Lakers...I think we all know the answer to that. I predict San Antonio goes out in the 2nd round to the Lakers or the Warriors, but that's largely due to the talent in their conference. If they were in the East, things may be a little different.
But hey, those are just my thoughts on my secondary team. See you for the Suns.
Great list, glad you went w Gervin at starting SG. He too often gets overlooked,even by spurs fans.
I'm a simple man. I see Jonny, I click.
Man, this team is just amazing. I’d love to see Boris Diaw on it as an honorary member just because I loved him (and he’d do just about everything on the court)
This is pretty good line up with a good bench
Timmy D/D Robinson/Kawhi front court minutes is suffocating defense
Plus Gerwin and Manu were very good defenders and Robertson was elite.
then once they check out, Wemby, Rodman, and Bowen comes in. No rest for opposing frontcourts
@@CoachPaul24 Bowen and Rodman ensuring that opposing wings never get easy buckets
Obviously the other two overlapped with Duncan in reality. But all three in the same front court, AND all three at their peaks? Absolute nightmare for opponents.
This starting lineup is insanely insanely good. One of the best in the series and the fact there is no defensive weakness is absolute killer
random idea for u but what if u did like a retrospective on a certain season like 1991 for example and go through big moments by the month to all star weekend to playoffs to finals etc. that would be nice from ur perspective especially if u watched those years live
You should have put my Italian man 🔥Vinny Del Negro🔥, he was said as one of the top 25 spurs players of all time help David Robinson in the second half of the 90s.
If he only made the top 25 for the team then why would he deserve to be on a 13 man roster above the others here?
@@zackdesilva4730 Cuz I like his name, also a Italian League Champion with a 25+ ppg, and coached the Lob City clippers from 2010-2013, and coached rookie of the year Derrick Rose,.
@@RyZGuy53He was great for sure, but the 13 mentioned here are just better. He deserves honorable mention at the very least though.
@@JCmeister9 Yea, but he is one of my favorite all time players (found him cuz of name)
@@RyZGuy53 I guess I can understand that, but just like objectively speaking he shouldn’t be on a 13 man roster. Also Italian league and coaching have nothing to do with his play as a Spur, great feats but just not relevant to the discussion.
Amazing team, they are maybe not so great individually, but would be great like a team
I think a good idea for a video would be an ultimate team video but for each of the eras. Like an ultimate 60's,70's,80's,90's,00's,10's,and 20's
Once you are done setting the teams, can we get your predictions on who you think would have success and who'd win? Then right after, we can see the 2k Sim, which btw there's a youtuber named Med who makes insane 2k Sim videos that are like movies. Would be cool to see you guys collab for this ultimate series, or do a style of video like that
this is probably the best rebounding team ive seen so far
Man, that team is stacked!
Though I think there's one player not even in the honorable mention that deserves to be in there: Boris Diaw. He was one of those players integral to the 2013-2014 Spurs run that people dubbed as "beautiful basketball". Heck, I'd want Boris Diaw over DeMar Derozan in a heartbeat as a rotation player!
I'd also wanted Robert Horry to be in the rotation, but I think the team would be a bit too Forward-heavy on that one...
In my opinion, Boris Diaw desserve to be in the honorable mention, has been an amazing glue guy in 2014, with some incredible passing skils for a forward at this time (Jokic mentioned he was one of the players he was watching). Nothing flashy he you look at the site, but huge impact on the game.
that is one good line-up you built
David Robinson to this day the last quadruple double!
This Spurs team is awesome. Top 4 in the West for sure. I guessed 8 of the players and pretty much agree with the others.
This team has to be stacked! And I still haven't seen the video
That starting five is insane... if it's not the Lakers in the west, it's the Spurs.
This team is just crazy good
This team would be a nightmare to play, they are amayat everything
Robinson was in his prime before the big 3 got there, and he was older when he won with Duncan while the other two were very young, then retired when they were at their best. Kawhi was ascending while the big 3 were on their way out. Mixing prime Robinson, Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan with Kawhi is scary. Plus Manu's coming off the bench for Gervin, and other excellent all star level role players. Terrifying team
great video
I was just thinking it might be interesting to pick coaches for all the Ultimate teams. Some would be easy, like San Antonio but I'm curious to see who you would put on the less obvious ones.
Battle of the Triple towers.... Hakeem, Malone & Sampson vs David, Tim and Wemby is gonna be epic.
Im giving the Rockets a slight edge.
I’m a spurs fan I love playing with the all time spurs on 2k we can match up really good against teams like the all time celtics, bucks, Lakers and warriors
After you do all the teams you should do a tournament bracket each video about 2 teams and who will win, dominate, be most valuable, etc.
This team miggt be able to win the all time tournament.
Of coursw im sure Pop is coaching, so that goes a long way too.
There isnt a single glaring weakness on this team, despite virtually all of these not necessarily having "glaring" weakness.
Factor in that the bulk of the power on the team having playes together for multiple seasons, and you have the most realistic/"infinity gauntlet power to make this a real life tournament played," heavy, heavy favorite
Life long Spurs fan: personally I'd have Avery Johnson and LMA as the backup PG and PF, move Robertson to the first reserve spot and It's a real tossup between Rodman and DeRozan for the last reserve spot.
Love the list though especially including Wemby in it already. Dude is unreal 🤯
I'd give us the edge against any team in the west except LA
Thought Johnny Moore and Artis Gilmore could have made the rotation. But that's fine, that is one stacked team. I'm glad someone recognizes Robertson, a defensive genius.
Spurs are probably in the top 5 or 6 franchises period for all time teams, let alone top 4 in the West. The main guy I was missing, though, was Boris Diaw. He was a very underrated role player for them. His versatility is probably more important than Aldridge is in a frontcourt that already has Duncan, Robinson, and Wemby.
Robert Horry was in your mentions, but he was one of the most clutch shooters ever. I also would have added him somewhere. I guess cut DeRozan for fit reasons. In general, I tend to think you build all these teams with less 3 point shooting than you should in favor of talent. I'm old school, so I appreciate old school style team builds. But I cannot deny the spacing of the modern game is a huge boon for offenses. With the top line bigs the Spurs have, it just makes sense to me to not clog the paint as much as is reasonable.
hey jonny i just wanted to give you a video idea, but im pretty sure you already have one in mind surrounding this topic
so theres this new trend on tiktok where people have been downplaying former greats in the 90s and 80s. Many new gen basketball fans have been going around social media saying "We done with the 90s/80s" and overall downplaying the era and calling it weak. I want to hear what your thoughts are on this?
You should make a series where you pit all the best franshise teams together and say who has the best team and more importantly who has the best collection of greats in NBA history
The defensive prowess on this team is top-tier. I reckon they would be a smokey to knock of some of the top all-time teams.
2k needs to hire you for their legendary teams asap
This team is the best chance against the ultimate Lakers. Inagine a healthy Wemby just 4 more years from now on this squad
Twin Tower Tandem with both in prime is already broken. I forgot about Rodman's time there and Kawhi is there. The defense on this team is absolutely insane
Best thing about this team is it is full of non-superstar Superstars. Men that get the job done and focus on the team and the win over individual stats or highlights
Would be kinda nice if you included an all time Coach for the teams too.
I love spurs. Go spurs go 🎉🎉
1:54 I don’t remember what year it was but TP led the league in points in the paint one season. I thought that was wild.
I am a long time Spurs fan. I would wager that MOST Spurs fans would want to find a spot for the Little General Avery Johnson somewhere on this team. I know the stats aren't there, but I just love that dude. Spurs fans agree?
This team feels like it was made to play against the Lakers.
even though Danny Green is my 2nd favorite Spur i cant complain with the lineup, i just hope that its a 15 player roster so i can put DG14 and Pau..
Robert Horry too!!
Am I crazy or maybe just a year or 2 early, but I’m already starting Wemby. Playing him at small foward and putting Kawhi at Shooting guard.
We’re talking 4 DPOY caliber players on the court at the same time.
Johnny Moore, if he hadn't contracted Spinal Meningitis I truly believe Jr. which was his Nickname would have had a Great Career as he and Alvin Robertson were called the Twin Terrors by Sports Illustrated because of how they were 2 Of the best in the NBA in Steals and he led the League in Assist in 1 Season as he and Mike Mitchell were 2 Of my Favorite players on the Spurs ever
No way, man. You've missed some of these. Here's mine:
PG: Tony Parker and Avery Johnson
SG: Manu and Alvin
SF: Gervin and Elliot
PF: Tim and Diaw
C: Robinson and Gilomore
3 others: Bowen, Kerr, Ellie
Honorable mentions: Finley, Ellie, Horry, Mills, Silas, Claxton, Vaughn, Oberto
Danny green to
C’mon, we all know the real starting 5 is
PG: Jeremy Sochan
SG: Jeremy Sochan
SF: Jeremy Sochan
PF: Jeremy Sochan
C: Jeremy Sochan
Insane defense
Starting five is perfect and perfectly Spurs. With Manu off the bench and a great defence, they seem like the most balanced team so far and it's no surprise.
When you say Parker wasn't explosive, I have to disagree: he wasn't vertically explosive, could barely dunk, but was horizontally explosive, fastest player in the NBA with the ball in the hand for some time.