How They Killed The ZAKSPEED VIPER - 24h Nurburgring 2003

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  • Let's take a look back at how they killed the dominant Zakspeed Viper at the 24h race at the Nurburgring 20 years ago in 2003.
    Let's remember the unbelievable fight between Zakspeed and the regulators and how this argument reached higher and higher levels until both sides lost.
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Komentáře • 308

  • @kayak1995
    @kayak1995 Před rokem +467

    500kg ballast is insane

    • @richardgrant418
      @richardgrant418 Před rokem +16

      It does seem a little on the harsh side

    • @crowntug
      @crowntug Před rokem +26

      Yeah that's ridiculous

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +19

      It was necessary at the end. The car was too dominant for the race in the past. in some years 35-40s faster than anyone. And it was really boring to watch. And the lap times showed that the 2003 Viper was well balanced within the competition in 2003. With a tank of lets say 105 Liters it would have been a perfect match up with the Audis BMWs and Opels.

    • @Pixelplanet5
      @Pixelplanet5 Před rokem +11

      its not really any different from today it was just the early days before strict balance of performance rules.
      Today nobody gets 500kg of ballast because the manufacturers know it doesnt make sense to build the car too light because you will only add it back as ballast later if the car is too dominant.

    • @richardgrant418
      @richardgrant418 Před rokem

      Germans are known for making sure they get the desired result

  • @ambergris5705
    @ambergris5705 Před rokem +304

    You've got to hand it to the Germans, they abide by the rules, but when they don't, they go all in. That was an incredible legal case, massive respect to Zakspeed.

    • @youngrody2386
      @youngrody2386 Před rokem +20

      People have the nerve to compare it to the Audi Transam and to slag American Racing Series, However that car was factory backed and was made with 4 times the budget of what privateer teams were capable of amassing, these lot don't even mention the Porsche RSR and 935. German racing series are far more notorious for their "balancing" acts even against neighboring European nations manufacturers.
      One thing I noticed about german backed racing teams too are that their manufacturers can't seem to win without spending ludicrous amounts of money in a Racing Program, hence why everyone was going broke fighting Porsche and Audi in the 80s and 90s until they caught up with half the budget and the latter 2 manufacturers would leave, hence why they're soo protected in Germany. Mercedes in F1 for the past decade didn't engineer its way to dominance, it Spent 4 upwards to 7 times the budget of Haas to win, and only saving grace they have is that F1 didn't do anything about it until the 2021 ruleset and Budget Cap.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +13

      @@youngrody2386Was just an good example against stupid german or nation bashing. You can find such cases everywhere if youre looking for. I never understood that nation clownery. Whats the point of it? Im glad at the ring there is or was only a little fanboy thing. We all loved the cars and every winner was applauded.
      Copying is always cheaper than innovating.
      Or in some cases just banning it. (IMSA)
      Audi was winning on an innovation called AWD.
      Porsche was always top notch in sport car racing and the most sucessful brand in sports car racing history.
      And good politics was always a factor too, thar for sure.
      Yes and you will allways find a david who defeat the goliath but thats an exception
      You deny that the Mercedes engine was an absolut masterpiece of engineering? That fucking thing won the WC 2 years nearly on its own and made the f1 more boring than ever.
      And on if you have such an advantage you will in most cases conserve it to the next rule change.
      Ferrari spent the same money also red bull did. Toyota had the biggest budget in the past and won nothing. In the F1 you need the top notch engineers. And they are limited.

    • @reneengelke3218
      @reneengelke3218 Před rokem +5

      ​@@youngrody2386 The RSRs, 935s and 962s were private entries (most of the time) and not factory backed. Talking about the 935s, why was the introduction of them into the IMSA delayed by 2 years? John Bishop was scared that 1974 and 1975 would repeat. Same thing in 1982 with the introduction of the Group C and IMSA GTP rules, Bishop was scared that manufacturers would take over making it impossible for privateers to be competetive so he ditched the Group C fuel formula for the IMSA GTP to drive down the costs.
      Thats the same thing that happened to the Viper in the NLS. The NLS was a touring car series since its inception running Group 1 and 2 cars, later on Group N and A. After Group A rules ran out in 1992 they were using Class II cars (Supertourers). Suddenly in 1999 the Viper, a full blown GT1 car, appears in a field consisting of Class II cars and below which arent comparable to the Viper. To save the privateer nature of the NLS the Viper gets bopped to hell and back but even then its still significantly faster than most of the field using cheaper equipment. Other privateer teams now have to spend even more and bring NGT and Class 1 cars or stuff like the Turbinchen and now you have manufacturers like BMW joining as well driving the costs even higher killing off any privateer ambitions.
      Or to put it in your words, an ex F1 Team joined a field of privateers and brought one of the most expensive and advanced cars money could buy to dominate the field.
      The organizers should have done what Bishop did and ban the Viper (or any GT1 car) before it even arrived at the race track.

    • @johncarl5505
      @johncarl5505 Před rokem +5

      ​@MCA Geeff Lol, AWD is not an innovation of Audi. In fact, AWD was banned in rally because of a large American SUV beating European rally cars. Audi just bribed the FIA to allow AWD back into rally.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem

      @@johncarl5505 The innovation was to build it light enough and usable to get an advantage in racing. And that was in racing an innovation. The AWD was legalized in 1979 before Audi hit the competiton with its AWD quattro. The competiton just thought it was too complex and too heavy solution.

  • @stuntvist
    @stuntvist Před rokem +252

    To be fair, the E46 GTR got a similar ordeal from Porsche so it makes sense BMW would be more understanding of Zakspeed's situation. At least in the end, for both cars, the regulatory shenanigans resulted in them both being elevated to a sort of legendary status, leaving all of us to wonder what they could've achieved had history been different.

    • @blackshadow7192
      @blackshadow7192 Před rokem +6

      BMW: lookawaymeme.jpg

    • @FlashoftheBlades
      @FlashoftheBlades Před 11 měsíci +3

      The problem with the E46 M3 GTR was that it had no production equivalent, unlike the 996 911 GT3 R. That’s what Porsche’s complaint was. Corvette Racing had the same attitude towards the Saleen S7-R, to which Steve Saleen responded by saying that the demand for the race car was greater than for the road car, so he simply built those first.
      Other teams could’ve fielded GT cars at the Nurburgring 24 Hours, but they didn’t. That’s their problem, not Zakspeed’s.

    • @charlesowens8724
      @charlesowens8724 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@FlashoftheBladesthe difference between corvette/ Saleen and BMW and Porsche is that It wasn't a technical rule. It was a gentleman/ unspoken rule. However when corvette complain , it was a technical rule.

    • @FlashoftheBlades
      @FlashoftheBlades Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@charlesowens8724 In what way was it a technical rule?

    • @joaquingonzalez834
      @joaquingonzalez834 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@FlashoftheBladesi am not sure but i think the s7 (2000) was produced a year before the s7r (2001)

  • @f1faith015
    @f1faith015 Před rokem +48

    Unbelievable story. Respect to Zakspeed for finding such amazing loopholes. Making the whole fuel tank swappable is absolutely insane.

    • @samdajellybeenie14
      @samdajellybeenie14 Před rokem +1

      Such BS that they said it was unsafe so they could change the rules. That gives them carte blanche to do whatever they want, just declare it unsafe.

  • @stijnpaspont
    @stijnpaspont Před rokem +166

    Even after doing alot of research and making my own video about it i still end up learning more stuff. I didnt know about the whole legal side of it, that would have been one spectacular court case. Excellent video once again.

    • @captain_context9991
      @captain_context9991 Před rokem +6

      And they would have lost... Changing the name of a thing, doesnt change the thing. Cheating is cheating. But its funny how the Viper is always the victim. Its hard to fit an 8.4-something liter engine into any kind of racing league. Whether its Europe or the US.
      And not because the Viper was "too good" either. It was never a successful car at any point in its 30 years existance.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +6

      @@captain_context9991 Yes that was feeling about it arround the track in 2003. Nearly nobody liked that Zak thing at the Ring. And the crowd showed that with banners against Zak and thumbs down at Sunday morning in television.

    • @BSport320
      @BSport320  Před rokem +33

      Hey thanks also for your video, which I found after I published mine! You have lots of race details which I don’t have in mine.

    • @db-mp2of
      @db-mp2of Před rokem +17

      @@captain_context9991 Never ?

    • @maximborodyuk3773
      @maximborodyuk3773 Před rokem +27

      @@captain_context9991 german fanboy here, Viper was never a succesful car in 30 years lmao what a clown.
      Fritzs shit their pants whenever they see Viper on track, even modern GT3 Viper wasn't allowed to run lol. I doubt they will allow Ferrari 296 GT3 to compete next year without some +200 kg ballast, they can't stand any proper competetion.
      Basing car class on simply engine size is beyond any stupidity, it's a lot more complicated, and at the time for sure there wasn't any specific rules - manufacturers could easily turbocharged their engines and be on par with power.

  • @vettelfan17
    @vettelfan17 Před rokem +43

    Overlooking how awfully unfair this entire thing was - it is probably the most hilarious motorsport story I've heard. The fuel tank was wild but the changing of the name to skip the regulations was genius

    • @UnrelatedNonsense
      @UnrelatedNonsense Před 11 měsíci +1

      This story and the one about the mid 2000s NASCAR that had a slightly crooked body to go faster on oval tracks are my favorite lol

  • @RossAlexanderSmith
    @RossAlexanderSmith Před rokem +30

    That moment when you paid your lawyers more than your race team to win a race

    • @gerogyzurkov2259
      @gerogyzurkov2259 Před rokem +3

      I can imagine the lawyers on F1 teams findings even a .1mm difference loophole on parts to be deemed allowed or banned.

  • @maza19
    @maza19 Před rokem +30

    Kadetts used to race next to GT1 and DTM cars and people complain about the Dacia

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +7

      @@coletrickIe Not in top speed on straights . The was a few cars well over 300 km/h in that time in 2003 like the Alzen Turbinchen 996 turbo. And really slow cars like Austin mini. Todays GT3 top out at best at 280-290km/h and only one Dacia that ist no longer with us.

    • @AR_Javelin
      @AR_Javelin Před rokem +1

      Yes. People are stupid sometimes.

    • @R4M_Tommy
      @R4M_Tommy Před rokem

      ​@@coletrickIe the Viper had 1000hp man

    • @benistingray6097
      @benistingray6097 Před rokem +1

      @@Superstocker669 Youre not wrong but the really dangerous overtaking situations happen in the corners nowadays. The GT3 have so much corner speed compared to the slower non aero cars. On top of that in curvy sections a driver cant see as far ahead, maybe hes fighting another car that reduces his view forward even more so the danger just shifted i think.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem

      @@benistingray6097 Yes for sure. But on the other hand your had about 100 cars more on the track and more slower clars like the dacia.

  • @joshfoley8862
    @joshfoley8862 Před rokem +18

    And Europeans are always riding American cars as slow and poor handling vehicles. The Viper dominated many race tracks and events. What a beast and understated car.

  • @Taverius
    @Taverius Před rokem +52

    Justice for my boy!

  • @F8Tributo
    @F8Tributo Před rokem +10

    Very interesting!
    My only experience with Zakspeed was when I paid them 280 E for a lap around the Ring. When I showed up on the right day at the right time, no one from Zakspeed was anywhere to be found. They took my money, then stood me up. The track personnel said they hadn't paid their track fees and weren't allowed on track. I got my money back later, but on that day I paid for a lap with Andreas Gulden, in a racing Aston. We passed Sabine, which was a great accomplishment for Andreas, made his day. Later, I met Sabine! She was a great person, lovely lass...Her passing was great loss for us all.

  • @theeeMitchi
    @theeeMitchi Před rokem +28

    I didn't knew you had a Viper - great! My dream car. Great video on the GTS-R. I still think the 2003 N24 was won by Zakspeed, they won abiding the rules - the rules were basically just turned around within the race itself. There was never ever another car at the Ring that has lived through such lynching as the Viper had. It also has to be said that the Viper only got 8 cylinders in 2005, so they still ran 2004 on all ten cylinders.

  • @db-mp2of
    @db-mp2of Před rokem +23

    Another Viper from the Oreca customer program
    Like the recent winning Ferrari, Oreca has a hand in so many historic cars

    • @dra911
      @dra911 Před rokem +1

      Does this mean it had the chassis from Reynard Motorsport in the UK as well - not based on the road car?

    • @db-mp2of
      @db-mp2of Před rokem +2

      @@dra911 As far as I know, the Oreca Viper chassis came from USA Viper special factory

    • @db-mp2of
      @db-mp2of Před rokem

      The factory cars had a few extra tricks, compared to the US supplied Customer cars, built same place though

  • @benburris4735
    @benburris4735 Před rokem +28

    So happy to see another Viper lover here, i appreciate the clearer context on the story, sometimes forget that not only F1 deals with politics in motorsports...

  • @FirstLast-tx3yj
    @FirstLast-tx3yj Před rokem +17

    Dude i have never heard of this vipe but this was absolutely brilliant
    Favorite video of yours so far
    Amazing amazing amazing team/car

  • @loicdore39
    @loicdore39 Před rokem +4

    The viper is still today the most amazing car ever produced in look and performance. This case proves it once again!

  • @tarushdei
    @tarushdei Před rokem +6

    When your car that's got 500kg of ballast is so competitive the regulators have to hand out completely arbitrary lap penalties after they realize the ballast, refueling and restrictor special regulations aren't enough to keep the Viper from winning.
    This was absolutely a massive stain on German motorsports history.

  • @christianb.4385
    @christianb.4385 Před rokem +1

    Great video and a nice idea to talk about such historical motorsport stories !! Hope we get more like this one soon 👌🏼

  • @lichh64
    @lichh64 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for sharing this story, this was my first time actually watching the 24h race so it was cool to learn about all its history. Can't wait to see your W14 video as well :)

  • @christinalloyd9566
    @christinalloyd9566 Před rokem +6

    Very interesting video. Amazing story. Well done!

  • @pab3783
    @pab3783 Před rokem +16

    Please do a video on the C6-R. As a fellow C6 owner, I’d be very interested. Saludos desde 🇵🇷

    • @jamsstar2010
      @jamsstar2010 Před 11 měsíci

      Winning with 2 valve heads, I dont really like anything American but the viper was awesome 😂

  • @D00m2k7
    @D00m2k7 Před rokem +2

    I didn't even know about this until now. Thank you for the video.

  • @xjserpent7665
    @xjserpent7665 Před rokem +5

    This is sorta the same case with the M3 GTR. It was starting to win in ALMS and Porsche was not happy about it.

  • @FeriGGGG
    @FeriGGGG Před rokem

    this channel is criminally underrated, purest diamond

  • @Gretschdude1412
    @Gretschdude1412 Před 11 měsíci +1

    What a legend! I never knew all the details of the ordeal and I consider myself a huge viper fan. Thanks for sharing!

  • @pab3783
    @pab3783 Před rokem +13

    500kg +????

  • @LipoAkku
    @LipoAkku Před rokem +1

    Danke für deinen Contend. :)

  • @mehrdrehzahl7526
    @mehrdrehzahl7526 Před rokem +1

    Das hab ich damals Live mit erlebt! War eine schöne Zeit damals, als Mechaniker in einem kleinem Team :) Ich weiß noch wo die Viper den 1 Roll out hatte, komplett unlackiert - ein Schwarzes Monster !!! Das hat man im Boden gespürt wenn die an der Box vorbei geballert ist. Leider hab ich keine Fotos von damals. Tolles Video -Danke

  • @charlieryan1736
    @charlieryan1736 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thanks for making this interesting and informative Viper video 👍🏻

  • @gafrers
    @gafrers Před rokem +1

    Quality as always

  • @ealingj
    @ealingj Před rokem

    Love this story and all of the innovations needed to stay in the race and win even when the rules were written to specifically keep them down.
    Would you be willing to do a story or video on aero of Will Au-Yeung's car? It's a David vs. Goliath story where a small car beats all the other cars with clever aero and engineering.
    Example:
    ButtonWillow CW13 overall time attack record, Road Atlanta overall time attack record, NJMP overall time attack record, Ginerman Raceway overall time attack record, and the world’s fastest FF lap on Japan’s Tsukuba Circuit.
    Keep up the excellent work. Thanks!

  • @ericmess8261987
    @ericmess8261987 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video ty. I love this generation of race cars.

  • @chriss4154
    @chriss4154 Před rokem +1

    Great video

  • @indopleaser
    @indopleaser Před rokem +1

    When you mentioned this car in your last video, was curious what the story behind this project was, thanks

  • @bluedog2367
    @bluedog2367 Před rokem

    Brilliant video 👍

  • @AtZero138
    @AtZero138 Před rokem +2

    One of my favorite Vipers in Forza Motorsport 4...

  • @camrunner6633
    @camrunner6633 Před rokem +2

    Viper is an absolute weapon

  • @jareknowak8712
    @jareknowak8712 Před rokem +1

    👍
    Great story, Thank You!!

  • @Gabriel.Vargas
    @Gabriel.Vargas Před rokem +3

    Great video, as always! What was the highest performance category that used original chassis (not prototypes) in motorsport history?

    • @BSport320
      @BSport320  Před rokem +1

      Good question, early 90s DTM was very high performance and at the time even more expensive than F1. Audi‘s IMSA prototype and pikes peak are also very high performance with partly original body.

    • @hannesgroesslinger
      @hannesgroesslinger Před rokem +2

      I guess it depends on whether or not you count GT1 in the mid to late 90ies.
      Those cars were capable of competing for outright Le Mans victory against prototypes, with chassis based on road cars.
      However, the road cars themselves were homologation specials with very limited production numbers. Basically the manufacturers secretly developed prototype race cars first, then built road versions of them so that they then could claim that the race cars were based on the road car model.

  • @davidguardia2433
    @davidguardia2433 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing video
    But finally, the 5th place was given back to the Viper or it kept disqualified after the case?

  • @kuba_wasikowski
    @kuba_wasikowski Před rokem +1

    Thanks!

  • @lifan4124
    @lifan4124 Před 7 měsíci

    Things get interesting when ppl are competitive, have an aerodynamics question, does the little round carbon strip on the front wheel arch reduce aero drag on the viper? Cheers, great video 👍

  • @EikeSky
    @EikeSky Před rokem +6

    Side note, we need a return of a van class, with OEM engines (C63 Vito, for example, nom nom)

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine Před 3 měsíci

    I used to have a Viper GTS (the only American car I’ve ever owned besides an old JEEP XJ). It was such wild fun to drive and beautiful. Steel grey with blue stripes.

  • @INeedMoneyForStuff
    @INeedMoneyForStuff Před rokem +1

    Since you are on the topic of the 24h of Nürburgring, could you do a video about the winning Opel Astra DTM. I saw a video about it on my recommended a few months ago, but didnt click it and now I cant find it.

  • @johnnycomelately6341
    @johnnycomelately6341 Před rokem +5

    What a great story!
    It shows the need for regulators to have an oversight.

  • @avada0
    @avada0 Před rokem +9

    What kind of disgusting "competition" was this? Arbitrary special rules to hinder a specific competitor? Isn't something like this illegal pretty much everywhere?
    Is the Nürburgring 24H still an abomination like this?

    • @LeyvatenLoop
      @LeyvatenLoop Před 11 měsíci +2

      It isn't anymore, now it has well defined, well regulated classes plus special classes for small teams that want to have some fun with something silly, it's pretty nice now

    • @fizzcochito
      @fizzcochito Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah this was bullshit but they are much better now.

  • @carsstuffchannel8576
    @carsstuffchannel8576 Před rokem +1

    Very interesting

  • @zachcd390119
    @zachcd390119 Před rokem

    Talk about a brilliant bunch of workarounds

  • @FlashoftheBlades
    @FlashoftheBlades Před rokem +1

    The Viper is my all-time favorite car. I became a fan of the Zakspeed version after seeing the 2001 running on Speedvision and was absolutely pissed 😤 off over the treatment they got in 2003. If I was in the team boss’s position, I would’ve taken the case to the FIA and told the race organizers to go to Hell.

    • @zhsome8039
      @zhsome8039 Před 10 měsíci

      true, and people are going to host nurburgring 24h no matter what, just by a diiferent organizer, Zakspeed's boss was too nice

  • @alistairmills7608
    @alistairmills7608 Před rokem

    Your link page is not working.
    Is the Viper GTS-R still for sale ?

  • @mosca3289
    @mosca3289 Před rokem +1

    Fantastic story.

  • @mesterorange8181
    @mesterorange8181 Před rokem +3

    Interesting to know they received support from Daimler! The amg gt3 is quite like the viper in its shape and engine filosophy

    • @otanica
      @otanica Před rokem +1

      It was the Daimler Chrysler car company at the time.

  • @PablosPorsche
    @PablosPorsche Před rokem

    This is a great video but I have a good idea. What if put GTEs in the n24 since they don’t use it after this year

  • @Kinuhbud
    @Kinuhbud Před 11 měsíci +2

    a zakspeed viper... mad lads
    also just more proof that the viper is one the greatest platforms ever--dodge just rubbed their nuts over everyone with that car

  • @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X
    @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X Před rokem +10

    Is there any relation between this and the Oreca Vipers? Or is it just a case of semi-parallel development, similar to the various Ferrari 550 which turned up in FIA GT?
    I didn't know the 2003 race was that preposterous!

    • @db-mp2of
      @db-mp2of Před rokem +19

      From 1999. All of the racing GTSR Vipers came from Oreca customer program, they were the Factory race team for Chrysler, and had exclusive rights to parts and support
      Interesting to hear Pedro Lamy drove the Zackspeed Viper, as he was one of the early Oreca Viper drivers
      He also drove the ill-fated flipping Mercedes CLR, luckily his did not crash, super chill dude
      Their first win at Le Mans in #53, was Donahue / Bell / Drudi, in 1998
      The car I crewed on, we were the 3rd car of the team, and not expected to win ;)

    • @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X
      @X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X Před rokem +2

      @@db-mp2of
      Thank you! That's a great memory, I am sure.

    • @captain_context9991
      @captain_context9991 Před rokem

      Its not really that preposterous.... They had to intervene and shut down THIS TEAM for forcing their hand and refusing the rules. If you dont comply, you dont race. Simple as that. But because its American, its always some kind of a victim complex.

    • @kekekaelin
      @kekekaelin Před rokem +2

      Fantastic story! I never knew this and it’s very interesting. I too own a Viper and it’s a fantastic ownership experience. From North Carolina USA. I dream of the day I can come to Nurburgring and watch the 24hr race!

  • @docmccoy9813
    @docmccoy9813 Před rokem +2

    That guy would do well as an F1 team principal! I guess it hurts to the germans not to win the 24 hours with so many top sports german brands

  • @belmondo8719
    @belmondo8719 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Sie ist und bleibt mein Nummer 1 GT Fahrzeug 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @norgtube
    @norgtube Před rokem +3

    Zakowski's a better person than I, I would have burned those regulators to the ground.

  • @Superstocker669
    @Superstocker669 Před rokem +22

    This was the qualifying result in really nice conditions in 2003
    P # class team time
    1. 2 A8 H&R Spezialfedern Porsche 996 Turbo (the famous "Turbinchen") 9.00,266
    2. 12 A8 Manthey-Racing Porsche 996 Turbo 9.02,905
    3. 6 E1 OPC Team Phoenix Opel Astra V8 Coupe 9.04,444
    4. 1 A8 Zakspeed Team Fuji Dodge Viper 9.04,525
    5. 42 E1 BMW Motorsport BMW M3 GTR E46 9.08,771
    6. 5 E1 OPC Team Phoenix Opel Astra V8 Coupe 9.09,130
    7. 43 E1 BMW Motorsport BMW M3 GTR E46 9.09,135
    8. 8 E1 Abt Sportsline Abt-Audi TT-R 9.10,507
    9. 7 E1 Abt Sportsline Abt-Audi TT-R 9.11,577
    10. 10 A7 Scuderia Augustusburg BMW M3 E46 9.21,221

    • @benistingray6097
      @benistingray6097 Před rokem

      Whats your point, trying to show the viper wasnt the fastest car? Even if thats the case, the race goes 24h hours and laptime alone doesnt make a winner.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +3

      @@benistingray6097 No its just interesting for most people to get a little view whats going on at the weekend and what the pace was of the different car. The fastest car back than was with no doubt the "Alzen Turbinchen" Turbo Porsche. Yeah and its true lap time back than wasnt all compared to now. The Turbos were too thirsty to win for example and the Turbinchen not durable.

    • @youngrody2386
      @youngrody2386 Před rokem +1

      ​@@Superstocker669 The Porsche's success was mostly due to better Chassis design, however the Viper still dominated in the championship races.

    • @benistingray6097
      @benistingray6097 Před rokem +1

      @@Superstocker669 Ah ok, then i got you wrong, my bad.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +4

      @@youngrody2386 Yes cause it had no competition. Especially before 2003. No question. There was no comparable car on grid. Im talking more of 2003 and ongoing here. In the VLN Championship the Turbinchen Porsche was at this point unbeatable in Speed. But that was a massive care. No compare to the average porsches. In some races it arrived with 15s advantage in the Brünnchen.

  • @avada0
    @avada0 Před rokem +3

    Zakowski should have driven the whole thing into the ground as it deserved it...

  • @jamesrice6096
    @jamesrice6096 Před 4 měsíci

    I was excited about the track, and was thinking of buying a Nurburgring shirt. Not now.

  • @Marauder1981
    @Marauder1981 Před rokem +3

    The weird thing is, today Zakspeed owns one third of the Nürburgring GmbH.

    • @benjaminbrockway5998
      @benjaminbrockway5998 Před rokem

      Should have taken it to court. He might own the whole thing by now.

    • @Marauder1981
      @Marauder1981 Před rokem

      @@benjaminbrockway5998 better not. The Russian guy managing it, does an excellent job so far.

  • @Pandamasque
    @Pandamasque Před rokem

    Are the old-shape Vipers that came to the N24 in the 2010s the same car or unrelated project(s)?

  • @ReasonX3
    @ReasonX3 Před 2 měsíci

    Swapping a fuel tank is a genius idea and I'd argue safer then normal refueling, since you don't rely on a man who in a hurry can try to pull out a fuel gun nozzle too early and spray the whole car with petrol.

  • @adrianjabs5752
    @adrianjabs5752 Před rokem +1

    Wunderbar Aus Australia 👍🇩🇪🏁 Super video ich bin ein auslander

  • @white_mage
    @white_mage Před rokem

    1:06 that spare tire made my day

  • @tjroelsma
    @tjroelsma Před rokem +1

    The Zakspeed Viper being banned isn't the first time such a thing happened.
    Remember the Tom Walkinshaw Racing (TWR) Jaguar XJS that competed in the Group A European Touring Car Championship? That was treated pretty much the same way, as its then closest competitor, the BMW 635CSI, simply didn't stand a chance against it. Jaguar's 5.3liter V12 versus BMW's 3.5 liter inline-six was simply a joke and TWR easily won the championship until the car was banned.

  • @krmx37
    @krmx37 Před rokem

    Its to mention that the raceversion viper is actually made by oreca and has not really much to do with chrysler or dodge.
    Zakspeed used this basis to then upgrade it for the 24h Nürburgring

  • @everyday775
    @everyday775 Před rokem +2

    Sometimes regulators would deserve a regulation not to act that unbearable way, with no shame at all. Will Ferrari 296 GT3 be the next target?

  • @patrickpatschka87
    @patrickpatschka87 Před rokem +1

    I wish the FIA did the same with Mercedes in those 8 Years of completely Dominance! This Nerfs of the Viper are ridiculous. Only Because the German Vehicles couldn't keep up with it...

  • @KartiacKID
    @KartiacKID Před rokem

    This is a similar story to how Offenhauser / Miller racing engines was severely handicapped after dominating motor sports in the US for 50yrs…The big 3 US automakers had them severely handicapped a 1.5L handicap under their competitors bc they couldn’t make a better motor to compete so they just bought off the racing boards to change the rules to make it impossible for Offy to win

  • @vernmaxwell3733
    @vernmaxwell3733 Před rokem +1

    🤯🤯🤯 what a fascinating story. Thank you for sharing. What a complete bullshit move(s) they attempted. Imagine being a private team spending all that time and money and them doing all these calisthenics and jumping through hoops to shaft you even though you are compliant. Pathetic 🤦🤦🤦🤡🤡🤡

  • @Blazs120gl
    @Blazs120gl Před rokem +1

    Ok so the problem was that the latest sport car designs of that time couldn't compete with an outdated platform so they tried everything to handicap it to the point where it's no longer competitive or bend the rules so it becomes illegal.
    My rhetorical question here, even if one manages to rule Vipers out of the race, what does victory worth?
    What slogan does it make, like _I'm the best, when no Vipers are around that is_ ? As a customer, will it make me buy that brand?

  • @mikeice38
    @mikeice38 Před rokem +14

    Zakspeed was in the right.

  • @nomiguda
    @nomiguda Před rokem

    Watching the N24 for the first time (go earl 🇳🇿) and I was wondering why they use a petrol pump with a meter, it looked funny compared with what I'm used to for GT3. Funny how that's how racing series get their quirks.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem

      They pits always had have only regular fuel pumps still to that day. Its just easier and low cost way to fuel 230 cars especially in those old days.

  • @garneauweld1100
    @garneauweld1100 Před rokem

    I love this company! Do you know why? They are racers!!

  • @ImInLoveWithBulla
    @ImInLoveWithBulla Před rokem +3

    The Germans are very tolerant to new cars and loopholes in the rules. As long as you don’t make it faster than the 911.

  • @NERGYStudios
    @NERGYStudios Před rokem +2

    Everytime the authorities want to clamp down on the public with incredibly cruel measures:
    ITs fOr YoUR sAfETy

  • @mogelkaiser1876
    @mogelkaiser1876 Před rokem

    so, this wasnt the green gas-powered viper, used by titus some years ago? i always thought its the same car but they changed it from normal fuel to gas...

  • @rjung_ch
    @rjung_ch Před rokem +2

    Those regulators must have been paid off, why else would they be so horrible to Chrysler / Dodge? Totally unfair.

    • @benjaminbrockway5998
      @benjaminbrockway5998 Před rokem +2

      Whiny euro manufacturers couldn't figure out how to beat good old American muscle.

  • @torque-drive2488
    @torque-drive2488 Před rokem

    What car sound in the intro

  • @longsleevethong1457
    @longsleevethong1457 Před 11 měsíci

    That car was basically a new version of the Shelby cobra

  • @tymoncebartowskii660
    @tymoncebartowskii660 Před rokem +1

    To me it is simply disgraceful - the whole idea of giving rules for one car is already ridiculous but the move with scratching out the name... I would have lost my mind if I was Zakspeed and I'd never race in that event again.

    • @benjaminbrockway5998
      @benjaminbrockway5998 Před rokem

      And I would have absolutely dragged it to the FIA court. Complete scorched earth.

  • @jirizemlicka8880
    @jirizemlicka8880 Před rokem +4

    I mean that is scummy as hell.

  • @Skyisnotalimit
    @Skyisnotalimit Před 11 měsíci

    Maybe the other competitors should just have chosen a better car.
    This is outrageous. Imagine doing your best and someone just cut your tires with a knife and having the whole system on their side.

  • @Superstocker669
    @Superstocker669 Před rokem +2

    Little side fact. The winning Opel stuck in the gravel trap and lost also 1 Lap during the race at night on the GP circuit.

  • @Xayuap
    @Xayuap Před rokem

    so the VIper is really a leyend

  • @1barnet1
    @1barnet1 Před rokem

    Making rules or laws on a specific named car is always gonna be an awful practice.
    And it was so much easier to solve the matter without it. The Viper always had the most ridiculous engine displacement.
    Just limit that and done.

  • @thethirdman225
    @thethirdman225 Před rokem

    At least they couldn't blame the FIA for that!

  • @ergoproxy-gx2cq
    @ergoproxy-gx2cq Před 10 měsíci

    Im surprised a front mid engined car was beating rear mid engined cars. How???

  • @Juan_van_Eeden977
    @Juan_van_Eeden977 Před měsícem

    👍🏻

  • @Nate_the_Nobody
    @Nate_the_Nobody Před 9 měsíci

    Nobody took the Viper serious when it first showed up on the track
    Then it evolved a little
    Heaven forbid other manufactures try to make cars that could compete with the Viper, no no
    Gotta nerf it so hard that it isn't worth racing with it
    That's the right move for a sportsmanship focused competition
    Viper: GOML
    Regulators: I'm telling the admins and you're gonna get banned

  • @arkanesh
    @arkanesh Před rokem

    Alleine das Zusehen macht mich schon traurig. Eine Schande ist das.

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine Před 3 měsíci

    Doesn’t really matter, but do you know how much it ended up being sold for just out of curiosity?

  • @olafschmidt6512
    @olafschmidt6512 Před rokem

    I don't really get it. How was it possible that the Viper was that much faster than all the other cars? Didn't they all have the same regulations on power, weight and fuel capacity?

    • @benjaminbrockway5998
      @benjaminbrockway5998 Před rokem +2

      Two words: American muscle. The Euros couldn't beat it, so they regulated it out of existence.

  • @funnyshorts6830
    @funnyshorts6830 Před rokem +2

    classic. if you can't beat them cry for a rule change.

  • @Superstocker669
    @Superstocker669 Před rokem +3

    The best solution would have been a 105 Liter conventional fuel tank. The 90L was too small the 120 to big. On the lap times the top cars were not too far apart.

  • @shadowgaming6660
    @shadowgaming6660 Před rokem +1

    I think instead of all the bullshit they should've just started with an engine displacement rule. An 8 litre engine is just silly.

  • @amp888
    @amp888 Před rokem +3

    Did the 2000 version of the car really make "around 1000hp" (as claimed at 2:00)? I just wonder what your source is for this. Thanks.
    edit: After doing more research myself, I believe the unrestricted 2000 version actually made around 850hp. My sources for this conclusion can be found further down in this reply chain.

    • @mitchellsteindler
      @mitchellsteindler Před rokem +2

      Race viper engines revd to about 8000 rpm, vs about 6000 rpm in the standard road car. Throw in big cams, better flowing heads, no cats, race fuel and ignition timing, and you've got a lot of power on tap!

    • @amp888
      @amp888 Před rokem +1

      @@mitchellsteindler The car is listed as making "+/- 650hp" on the site where some of the pictures used in this video came from. I can't find any mention at all of the claimed ~1000hp anywhere, and it really doesn't make sense to me.

    • @Superstocker669
      @Superstocker669 Před rokem +2

      @@amp888 google for Zakspeed Viper 1000 PS. That was a figure that was often heard and written about in that time. If its true? who knows

    • @BSport320
      @BSport320  Před rokem +10

      Probably no one ever checked the number but in return for the 500kg ballast, the Viper was allowed to drive without restrictors. Plus higher revs, cams, different intake and exhaust.

    • @amp888
      @amp888 Před rokem

      @@Superstocker669 I searched for that with no results. I also searched for a few articles on it and manually looked for hp figures close to 1000hp and didn't get any. Even the official Zakspeed page for the car (which is from 1999-2008, unfortunately; not broken down by year) lists it as "water-cooled V10 engine 462kW (620 PS)"