As an old time player of action taimanin (played the JP version, but then created new account on global's early start), I agree they decently know what the player base thinks. For example with the blowback of Annerose's pay-only release, there's been no new characters released this way. Even with the decent generosity, I remember AT being one of the top 50 revenue generating play store game. Not great, but definitely not bad either. I see some people on fb complaining on how gremory is bad, but TBH, I see how gremory manage AT as being one of the better companies out there in mobile game space (not to mention, the complains seem just so ridiculous at times, the more saner players seem to prefer discord). Overall, with how bare it was at release, it's nice seeing how the game has become quite a bit richer with contents, even adding new gameplay mode (though I would have love it to have more special mini games). Sadly at the same time, I seem to have develop gacha game fatigue now, and stay more on the game because previous investment, and only for new event supporters and Rinko.
Yea Rinko is really nice 🙏 It feels like Gremory got a lot of bad rep because of their more questionable moves but the thing is that a lot of the recent issues are coming out from their Tokyo branch because of that one director but AT is managed largely by the Osaka branch so even within the same small company the culture and type of lead is very different. With AT it definitely feels like the team that manages it is more aware of an willing to listen to their audience which is nice to see and part of why it feels like that game will be able to continue succeeding for now where the other two games seem to not be doing too well. Top 50 revenue is pretty good though I hafta say 👍. Feels like there are many games out there that would kill to be managed well enough to be there at least in Japan with the huge number of smaller titles that end service.
It tried to bonk me real hard this second time for trying to explain something less family friendly this time I guess. Bless the chair for saving me from getting smacked twice now though.
Hey there, I recently found your channel through the Action Taimanin discord and I love your insight! One concept touched upon that I feel it warrants a video on its own is how outsourced companies interact and how this interaction, or lack there of, can affect the game development of continuous services like gacha games. Action Taimanin is a good case study because it has three companies involved, Gremory developing the game, Lilith which is most closely associated with Taimanin, and Infini-Brain which is the larger holding company and the one calling the shots (or so I understand). Even among the long time players of Action Taimanin there's a lot of confusion as to where the line ends between Gremory and Lilith and perhaps understanding how companies like these work and how their production affects game development can help us understand the good or bad decisions they make. One interesting decision that I'd love to see how it came to be is the time they released a character as a paid-only feature, Annerose who is not directly a taimanin character but rather is a character from a separate franchise that's still owned by the same company as the one who owns Taimanin. According to Gremory, despite the pushback by the fanbase they "cannot" make Annerose able to acquire through free currency due to the fact that she's not a taimanin character, something that doesn't make sense to the people who think Gremory, Lilith, and Infini-Brain are for the most part the same entity, however the complexities of this situation surely lies in the interaction between these companies.
Hey hey, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Coincidentally, I've been considering starting a series of videos some point this year going more in depth into how the game industry in Japan operates, the differences with the rest of the world & the pros/cons of those systems. When it comes to outsource companies I've been thinking of how to incorporate that in as well but you might be onto something. Perhaps I'll do a full video in that series about outsource companies as well. Though that said, I'm planning to start the series by building into all of that slowly starting with the more grounds level part of how they operate so it might be a lil while before I get into the details of outsource companies when I do start that series BUT leaving you hanging doesn't feel right either especially when it comes to stuff regarding specifically this company so I'll just explain some of it now. Lilith is the brand of Infini-brain which is the parent company of Gremory. Lilith is the name that they use outward facing as the name that is shown to consumers but they are registered as a corporation under the name Infini-brain instead. Many companies in the industry do this as it makes doing business easier. While Gremory is a subsidiary, that term is used in the loosest of sense. They are registered separately as corporations but everyone from both sides are interviewed by the head of Infini-brain and they all work in the same office. They're even shuffled around working on projects of the two where needed. Gremory was initially set up to be the family friendly brand of the company so all titles that aren't R18 would end up under them while everything else was intended to go under Infibrain instead. As for Taimanin RPG... that one was a lil bit of a weird one as the global release was all over the place but what I heard was that the initial plan was for it to have no R18 version hence when it ended up under Gremory but at some point the vision shifted but it stayed under them anyway. As for the Annerose issue I don't know the full deets but based of what I know of the company, it's likely because the dev team for it and Taimanin are completely separate. As a result the ones who have the final say for how the work will be depicted in are likely not devs on the Taimanin side. Like most companies it is likely there's some level of silo'ing between the teams and therefore this might've been a stipulation from people within the Annerose team which Gremory had no choice but to comply with since that team is the one with more history and seniority within the company. That said this is just my speculation based off my experience in the various companies in the industry as well as my time there so take it with a grain of salt as it could very well be wrong.
@@overworkedsalaryman thank you a lot for your valuable insight! I many of us have always been under the impression that Gremory was an outsourced studio in charge of developing the gameplay side of Action Taimanin, mostly because to us western fans AT is the first and frankly only time we've seen the Gremory brand, and because Action Taimanin is known to be developed in Korea as many aspects of the game indicate. As a fun trivia: in February of 2023 a character named Aina Winchester was released. One of the achievements you get for leveling her up is called "Hey boss, renew the contract already!" which may or may not be an inside joke about the development woes of Taimanin GoGo as you mentioned in this video.
@@crushingon The funny thing is that AT's development was indeed outsourced it's just that it wasn't outsourced to Gremory but instead through Gremory that it was then outsourced to another company. It does get quite confusing yea I can imagine. Even in Japan there are many who were confused as to who Gremory was initially as well. It's just that with enough digging it'll turn up in Japanese that the head of both companies is the same person which makes it more bizarre why they didn't just announce that they had this seperate brand set up. The Aina line just feels even funnier with the backdrop of the situation of the company though ngl lol
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 🙏 If we're lucky hopefully they finally will with the next title but since it hasn't released yet and that team is filled with people I don't know, we can only wait and see.
The error isn't It being sfw, but the fact that Lilith/Infini Brain hired bad people for the development and tried to make money withount a make a decent investment neither put any effort on their product (This goes for AT, RPGE and GOGO) even tought they're not some small poor company to justify that. We, Taimanin fans (JP and GBL) should really put them against the wall and pull the shit out of them to show what we want or otherwise this franchise won't grow further. (I'm glad RPG got a good writing in story, wich is I wanted the most) Ps: Thank you BD for being an active fan and content creator of this franchise
Yea going sfw for some of their titles if done right feels like it would've been a great way to get more people into the series too which would then have been great as a way for them to expand it more. It was part of the reason why I decided to work there as well in hopes of being able to help contribute to that but some of the people they have working on those projects.... especially the higher level management did feel like quite a problem. Hopefully as they hire more people they manage to pull in some more competent people as well. Though it's pretty cool what BD does for the series. It's thanks to the stuff he makes that it does feel all the more like this is a series that could if it wanted to go sfw (or at least just sfw enough to get onto the play store) could really pull it off and have people support it still if the game is well made as he shows that there are people who genuinely do love the series like many of his viewers too. 👍👍👍
Ah, I see you too are a man of culture. Yea she felt kinda fitting since koharu be koharu'ing while not as likely to give me a community guideline strike. 🤣
It's always surprised me how often eroge and adult franchises in Japan become successful non-h games/works. (Fate being the obvious example). Is it really just because companies love to capitalize on brand recognition, even if it's primarily adult? Or is there some sort of cultural precedent for thinking, "Hey, I remember that girl. I saw her ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ a ⯀⯀⯀⯀ in her ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀, while another girl ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ her ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀. I'd love to see her in an action/comedy combat dating sim gacha with wacky hijinks."
Yea who wouldn't wanna roll their top waifu doing ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ in the ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ gacha. Though come to think of it, with those like Typemoon or Key it really just feels like they ended up being in the good position to have had a very talented writer which led to their brand image rising and them being able to hire more talented writers so that they could create plots or funni hijinks well written enough to stand as a non-h thing and at some point they manage to capitalise on that to reach into other genres or forms of media as well. Even with Infi-brain they did manage to pull in good (albeit a lot more nsfw) writers though in terms of game designers their prolly still in the growing pains stage.
In my opinion, Taimanin having TABA, then RPGx and Action has done a lot to expand the franchise, especially when you consider that its 2000s contemporaries (Inyouchu, Mahou Shoujo Ai and, Kuroinu) generate far less buzz
@@jeffy.958 For sure, even compared to more gameplay and successful companies of that era like Alicesoft, Taimanin as a series feels like it stood the test of time way better and has more people remembering it till this day and those titles definetly played a big part in that. That and Taimanin being the origin of some of the more hardcore plays out there prolly helped with that too 🤣
Hopefully the video is interesting and there is something to take away from it! Honestly this was a game that when I saw the initial concept I genuinely wanted to see it succeed but never really got to be a part of the project. It's a shame it ended the way it did but I hope their next game (which I saw in development but prolly shouldn't say to much about) ends up being the banger I'm hoping it is.
@@overworkedsalaryman OMG! They got a game? Oh that's cool! Looking forward to it hopefully it will reach global as well and yes I just reacted to your video but on twitch.
@@BellowDGaming Oh, I'll be sure to give it a watch! Glad to hear it was interesting enough to react to XD. Though yea they have another one that hopefully will do better. It certainly looked a lot better and was under better of a producer so I hope the next one will be their next big title. 🙏
Thank you for the insightful video. With Action Taimanin, I'm not sure how to receive the news of Action Taimanin specific tapsetries, dakimakura and other merch. Is the game not making enough money that they need to make more merch or has the game become popular enough that Lilith feels comfortable releasing more merch? As for Gogo, its sad. I feel that given enough time and push, it could have its own small but dedicated fanbase. and with the VN, I still believe that as good as Taimanin Asagi 3 is, the big time jump and its good AND bad endings should have been changed.
I'm glad the video was able to provide you with something! With Action Taimanin it's more the latter although I don't know how much of the push might be due to their desire to get more money to fund future titles as well since that was more the merchandising department's thing and they were on a different fl.oor from the devs but that said the game itself is sustainable. Yea with GoGo it does feel like it would've as you said developed its own base given enough time. When they announced the EoS I saw quite a few really dedicated players showing their stuff too. Was really sad to see since if they had handled the title well it would've prolly been able to at last break even imo since 1 yr dev time with the team they had would've ben quite cost efficient if they had succeeded. Really hoping they release more VNs in the future to develop the series they still have ongoing more. That and we can only hope they change the time jump stuff if they ever remaster it. 🙏
I joke how the game EoS because most of the budget went towards prioritizing hiring popular voice actors, Aoi Koga as Shinobu as well as Shisui & Noah in AT, then there's Hikaru Tono as Ine. After seeing this, I guess that was only minor compared to the actual development hell.
Yea, unfortunately voice actors in Japan don't get paid super well so while popular and more on the expensive side to hire they weren't as damaging a cost on the game as the dev hell the game was stuck in for a year since it was a low budget title.
Taimanin is a very underrated franchise, despite its fame in narrow circles. It has huge untapped resources. You can laugh at my opinion, but I clearly see the feminist potential in the franchise. At least in the games of the original canon (pre-Fuuma era). Why not? Here is a typical plot: A strong and decent woman is being tried to break by perverted representatives of the male world, but she stands up and fights back. Bingo! Wonder Woman, Ripley, Xena and many others will seem like babies compared to Asagi who had to literally eat sh*t to survive and save the people she loved.
It certainly does feel the IP has a lot of potential that hasn't been tapped on till now. With the world-building and the characters like Asagi as you mentioned it does feel like they have an IP that could be flexibly used to produce quite a huge variety of games kinda like what Action Taimanin initially was. Would be cool and I really do hope that they eventually go on to make more than just gacha games in the future and tap on that potential
@@overworkedsalaryman Anyway, I've already prepared a small script for the film adaptation of the first visual novel "Taimanin Asagi" and I'll try to write in Netflix. They want a femagenda, so they'll got a femagenda. Wish me luck!
On gacha game, maybe I'm one of the rare ones who think that there really should be no regulation, especially on the gacha part. More regulation mean companies will try harder to try to monetize their games and might spend less time on making more fun parts of the game. Personally I think let the whales to spend as much as they want, and let them subsidize free players. As for the more scrupulous gacha practice, let the players self-regulate it by voting with their wallets.
That's a tough subject in general it feels like yea. Because parts what you say is true in that regulation leads to a lot of wasted time dealing with monetisation over focusing on gameplay. In all the gacha game projects I had worked in previously a large part of time gets wasted on compliance such as on sitting there rerolling a gacha in a simulation over and over to ensure the n-distributions are close to the displayed rates etc which is soul sucking and draws dev attention away from focusing on stuff like content planning. That said, while there are games that try their best to be fun on top of having gachas as part of their monetisation, it's also true that a lot of the scummier practices like comp gachas and some of misrepresentations in banners etc (like putting false or half true information) are only really gone because of the fact that the fear of regulation forces companies to stop so personally I prefer some level of regulation to stop the more serious issues but there is a need for balance which might be hard to achieve for them to intervene but not too much where it causes compliance issues to becoming as time-wasting as they are now.
The issue with Taimanin GOGO is that it is too sfw like come on. Why make such a kid looking game from a franchise like Taimanin? At least Action Taimanin is HEAVY on fanservice which makes it at least close enough to be interesting for the actual fans. You can't pretend to catch "new audiences" by disregarding the old one, you gotta adapt to both.
Yea, that is very true. It feels like it'd be a massively uphill battle for them to try to tap on a new audience of people who want sfw content instead especially kids in particular when those people can just google the IP and realise the history that the series has. To do so at the expense of the people that have helped support the series to what it is today feels all the worse. I feel like if they wanted to slowly move toward being more sfw it would've been better if they leaned in the direction of Action Taimanin like you mentioned or started doing more gameplay heavy games kinda like what Alicesoft did with the Rance or Dai series where it can be fun, there can be nsfw or at least just fanservice but thanks to the game being able to stand on its own it'd be able to cater better to both groups. Though that might just be my wishful thinking lol.
I mean, even if we are going with the "too young to care" or "young teen awakening" mentalities when it comes to what we post-pubescents perceive as sexual, Taimanin as a series is still one that can get pretty violent with it's sexual content. Too much so for a younger audience. That one scene of Murasaki being turned into a flesh cube is not leaving my mind, and I'd think twice before giving Taimanin to a kid/teen before they understand some ground rules on sexuality and their personal feelings, at least not without supervision. Stick to Nekopara or something similar... Doesn't exactly help that Taimanin as a series seems drenched in political corruption themes, which seems even more braindead to target that towards kids who REALLY do not care about that stuff.
@@LoliconSamalik It definetly feels like whatever kid comes across the IP and ends up liking it as a result of this game definetly would be in for a big shock when they see the type of IP it is from yea. Especially since it's probably the most family friendly title they've released
It's a good video and I hope that people will start to understand that you don't have to blame Gremory for everything and sometimes decisions are made by one "bad guy" or decisions are made by "Big Bosses". For example, you can cite the situation with Annerose in AT and it seems to me that the decision to make her a paywall character was the decision of the "Big Bosses" but not the decision of Gremory. As for gogo, I thought from the very beginning that this game would not be a success and I think that the funds and efforts that were spent on gogo would have been better spent on AT. And about AT, as I see in the comments, everyone says only positive things, but everyone forgets about the other side of the coin. AT has problems and some of them are big and also now the game is in a state of stagnation and I don't see that Gremory has any ideas how to further develop the game and what needs to be done and I think that the game has great potential and if Gremory can unlock the full potential of the game then AT will be able to earn as such games like Azur Lane, Arknights, Blue Archive and FF7 Ever Crysis. And my last opinion, I think that Gremory should focus on AT and scratch their head and think about how to improve the game and how to attract more players to the game, and if there are no ideas in their own head, then you can look at the community of the game and find "Diamonds" among them and then sift these "Diamonds" and among them take the most valuable one. And if Gremory does decide to make another Taimanin game, then please do such a thing as a protagonist player and not Fuuma Kotaro as the protagonist, this character will only make the franchise worse.
Indeed, with this company there are plenty of good people in it too many of whom are very skilled and competent. Hence why I wanted to make doubly clear in the video that my goal is not to witch hunt the company as I do like their stuff but just to point out what went wrong for those who are interested. Frankly it's as you say, AT does hold a lot of potential that if they can manage to further it genuinely might be able to push it into being a competitor of AL especially since they both seem to target similar groups of people. Hopefully once they are done releasing all their newer titles they'll invest back into AT as well to push that game further with all of the competencies they've built up. 🙏 Also yea it's kinda weird how they seem toreally want to have Fuuma as an MC it feels like even just an unnamed main protag for players to use as a self-insert might work better lol.
The fact that the same guy headed both RPG Extasy and GoGo isn't surprising. I don't have any gripes against gogo as a game itself but it felt like a move in a direction the fans didn't particularly like. I cant speak for the JP taimanin fans but there are plenty of western fans who still want more VNs. So Go Go felt like yet another step away from what many fans liked and wanted. And I sincerely hope that the producer who headed both of these projects gets tossed on his ass because a lot of good will and fan support has been burned by his actions, or inaction as the case seems to be.
Yea it's quite unfortunate that they've been stepping more and more away from VNs as a whole. If I recall that was a directive from the owner of the company himself as they wanted to attempt more outreach with the brand and because they start feeling that gacha games were more cost effective. Hopefully with the current state of things they start to figure out that there's a large part of their base that want more VNs or at the very least, less micro-transaction heavy titles. (Franky I wouldn't mind seeing a Sengoku Rance/Eiyuu Senki-ish gameplay focused consumer title come out of this company too)
@@overworkedsalaryman At the very least most people just want them to do at least one last VN that wraps up the TY plotline they've left dangling on a cliffhanger for so long. But I would welcome different genres just not if it came at the expense of being so heavily watered down it might as well have been a different IP entirely.
@@virado255 That's true, it did feel like GoGo ended up feeling like a lil of a tonal whiplash. As a parody game it would've been pretty interesting but as the premise of a live service game it would be really tough for them to want to keep that going. Also yes we really need a continuation or wrap-up to TY. Some of the characters I rlly like are from there I need moar.
Yea it's unfortunate the way it ended up... that said the characters are really cute even the isekai'ing main protagonist so hopefully they add them to the other games too at some time and realise that there are ppl who want them too. 🙏
As an old time player of action taimanin (played the JP version, but then created new account on global's early start), I agree they decently know what the player base thinks. For example with the blowback of Annerose's pay-only release, there's been no new characters released this way.
Even with the decent generosity, I remember AT being one of the top 50 revenue generating play store game. Not great, but definitely not bad either. I see some people on fb complaining on how gremory is bad, but TBH, I see how gremory manage AT as being one of the better companies out there in mobile game space (not to mention, the complains seem just so ridiculous at times, the more saner players seem to prefer discord).
Overall, with how bare it was at release, it's nice seeing how the game has become quite a bit richer with contents, even adding new gameplay mode (though I would have love it to have more special mini games). Sadly at the same time, I seem to have develop gacha game fatigue now, and stay more on the game because previous investment, and only for new event supporters and Rinko.
Yea Rinko is really nice 🙏
It feels like Gremory got a lot of bad rep because of their more questionable moves but the thing is that a lot of the recent issues are coming out from their Tokyo branch because of that one director but AT is managed largely by the Osaka branch so even within the same small company the culture and type of lead is very different.
With AT it definitely feels like the team that manages it is more aware of an willing to listen to their audience which is nice to see and part of why it feels like that game will be able to continue succeeding for now where the other two games seem to not be doing too well. Top 50 revenue is pretty good though I hafta say 👍. Feels like there are many games out there that would kill to be managed well enough to be there at least in Japan with the huge number of smaller titles that end service.
that poster really is out to get you
It tried to bonk me real hard this second time for trying to explain something less family friendly this time I guess. Bless the chair for saving me from getting smacked twice now though.
4:37 god really made a comedic segment
God punishing me for attempting to explain ntr
Hey there, I recently found your channel through the Action Taimanin discord and I love your insight!
One concept touched upon that I feel it warrants a video on its own is how outsourced companies interact and how this interaction, or lack there of, can affect the game development of continuous services like gacha games. Action Taimanin is a good case study because it has three companies involved, Gremory developing the game, Lilith which is most closely associated with Taimanin, and Infini-Brain which is the larger holding company and the one calling the shots (or so I understand). Even among the long time players of Action Taimanin there's a lot of confusion as to where the line ends between Gremory and Lilith and perhaps understanding how companies like these work and how their production affects game development can help us understand the good or bad decisions they make.
One interesting decision that I'd love to see how it came to be is the time they released a character as a paid-only feature, Annerose who is not directly a taimanin character but rather is a character from a separate franchise that's still owned by the same company as the one who owns Taimanin.
According to Gremory, despite the pushback by the fanbase they "cannot" make Annerose able to acquire through free currency due to the fact that she's not a taimanin character, something that doesn't make sense to the people who think Gremory, Lilith, and Infini-Brain are for the most part the same entity, however the complexities of this situation surely lies in the interaction between these companies.
Hey hey, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Coincidentally, I've been considering starting a series of videos some point this year going more in depth into how the game industry in Japan operates, the differences with the rest of the world & the pros/cons of those systems. When it comes to outsource companies I've been thinking of how to incorporate that in as well but you might be onto something. Perhaps I'll do a full video in that series about outsource companies as well. Though that said, I'm planning to start the series by building into all of that slowly starting with the more grounds level part of how they operate so it might be a lil while before I get into the details of outsource companies when I do start that series BUT leaving you hanging doesn't feel right either especially when it comes to stuff regarding specifically this company so I'll just explain some of it now.
Lilith is the brand of Infini-brain which is the parent company of Gremory. Lilith is the name that they use outward facing as the name that is shown to consumers but they are registered as a corporation under the name Infini-brain instead. Many companies in the industry do this as it makes doing business easier.
While Gremory is a subsidiary, that term is used in the loosest of sense. They are registered separately as corporations but everyone from both sides are interviewed by the head of Infini-brain and they all work in the same office. They're even shuffled around working on projects of the two where needed. Gremory was initially set up to be the family friendly brand of the company so all titles that aren't R18 would end up under them while everything else was intended to go under Infibrain instead. As for Taimanin RPG... that one was a lil bit of a weird one as the global release was all over the place but what I heard was that the initial plan was for it to have no R18 version hence when it ended up under Gremory but at some point the vision shifted but it stayed under them anyway.
As for the Annerose issue I don't know the full deets but based of what I know of the company, it's likely because the dev team for it and Taimanin are completely separate. As a result the ones who have the final say for how the work will be depicted in are likely not devs on the Taimanin side. Like most companies it is likely there's some level of silo'ing between the teams and therefore this might've been a stipulation from people within the Annerose team which Gremory had no choice but to comply with since that team is the one with more history and seniority within the company. That said this is just my speculation based off my experience in the various companies in the industry as well as my time there so take it with a grain of salt as it could very well be wrong.
@@overworkedsalaryman thank you a lot for your valuable insight! I many of us have always been under the impression that Gremory was an outsourced studio in charge of developing the gameplay side of Action Taimanin, mostly because to us western fans AT is the first and frankly only time we've seen the Gremory brand, and because Action Taimanin is known to be developed in Korea as many aspects of the game indicate.
As a fun trivia: in February of 2023 a character named Aina Winchester was released. One of the achievements you get for leveling her up is called "Hey boss, renew the contract already!" which may or may not be an inside joke about the development woes of Taimanin GoGo as you mentioned in this video.
@@crushingon The funny thing is that AT's development was indeed outsourced it's just that it wasn't outsourced to Gremory but instead through Gremory that it was then outsourced to another company. It does get quite confusing yea I can imagine. Even in Japan there are many who were confused as to who Gremory was initially as well. It's just that with enough digging it'll turn up in Japanese that the head of both companies is the same person which makes it more bizarre why they didn't just announce that they had this seperate brand set up.
The Aina line just feels even funnier with the backdrop of the situation of the company though ngl lol
Another super insightful video. Taimanin can't catch a break lol.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 🙏
If we're lucky hopefully they finally will with the next title but since it hasn't released yet and that team is filled with people I don't know, we can only wait and see.
Neither can they in game lmao
@@OHHHHUSBANT Thankfully they at least managed to have a peaceful new year lol
The error isn't It being sfw, but the fact that Lilith/Infini Brain hired bad people for the development and tried to make money withount a make a decent investment neither put any effort on their product (This goes for AT, RPGE and GOGO) even tought they're not some small poor company to justify that. We, Taimanin fans (JP and GBL) should really put them against the wall and pull the shit out of them to show what we want or otherwise this franchise won't grow further.
(I'm glad RPG got a good writing in story, wich is I wanted the most)
Ps: Thank you BD for being an active fan and content creator of this franchise
Yea going sfw for some of their titles if done right feels like it would've been a great way to get more people into the series too which would then have been great as a way for them to expand it more. It was part of the reason why I decided to work there as well in hopes of being able to help contribute to that but some of the people they have working on those projects.... especially the higher level management did feel like quite a problem. Hopefully as they hire more people they manage to pull in some more competent people as well.
Though it's pretty cool what BD does for the series. It's thanks to the stuff he makes that it does feel all the more like this is a series that could if it wanted to go sfw (or at least just sfw enough to get onto the play store) could really pull it off and have people support it still if the game is well made as he shows that there are people who genuinely do love the series like many of his viewers too. 👍👍👍
Koharu poster... what a man of culture.
Ah, I see you too are a man of culture. Yea she felt kinda fitting since koharu be koharu'ing while not as likely to give me a community guideline strike. 🤣
It's always surprised me how often eroge and adult franchises in Japan become successful non-h games/works. (Fate being the obvious example). Is it really just because companies love to capitalize on brand recognition, even if it's primarily adult? Or is there some sort of cultural precedent for thinking, "Hey, I remember that girl. I saw her ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ a ⯀⯀⯀⯀ in her ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀, while another girl ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ her ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀. I'd love to see her in an action/comedy combat dating sim gacha with wacky hijinks."
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Yea who wouldn't wanna roll their top waifu doing ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ in the ⯀⯀⯀⯀⯀ gacha.
Though come to think of it, with those like Typemoon or Key it really just feels like they ended up being in the good position to have had a very talented writer which led to their brand image rising and them being able to hire more talented writers so that they could create plots or funni hijinks well written enough to stand as a non-h thing and at some point they manage to capitalise on that to reach into other genres or forms of media as well.
Even with Infi-brain they did manage to pull in good (albeit a lot more nsfw) writers though in terms of game designers their prolly still in the growing pains stage.
In my opinion, Taimanin having TABA, then RPGx and Action has done a lot to expand the franchise, especially when you consider that its 2000s contemporaries (Inyouchu, Mahou Shoujo Ai and, Kuroinu) generate far less buzz
@@jeffy.958 For sure, even compared to more gameplay and successful companies of that era like Alicesoft, Taimanin as a series feels like it stood the test of time way better and has more people remembering it till this day and those titles definetly played a big part in that.
That and Taimanin being the origin of some of the more hardcore plays out there prolly helped with that too 🤣
Well well well, it would seem Gremory has done it again!
Aaaaw shit here we go again again
1st to comment! I'll be watching then comment again
Hopefully the video is interesting and there is something to take away from it! Honestly this was a game that when I saw the initial concept I genuinely wanted to see it succeed but never really got to be a part of the project.
It's a shame it ended the way it did but I hope their next game (which I saw in development but prolly shouldn't say to much about) ends up being the banger I'm hoping it is.
@@overworkedsalaryman OMG! They got a game? Oh that's cool! Looking forward to it hopefully it will reach global as well and yes I just reacted to your video but on twitch.
@@BellowDGaming Oh, I'll be sure to give it a watch! Glad to hear it was interesting enough to react to XD.
Though yea they have another one that hopefully will do better. It certainly looked a lot better and was under better of a producer so I hope the next one will be their next big title. 🙏
Thank you for the insightful video. With Action Taimanin, I'm not sure how to receive the news of Action Taimanin specific tapsetries, dakimakura and other merch. Is the game not making enough money that they need to make more merch or has the game become popular enough that Lilith feels comfortable releasing more merch?
As for Gogo, its sad. I feel that given enough time and push, it could have its own small but dedicated fanbase.
and with the VN, I still believe that as good as Taimanin Asagi 3 is, the big time jump and its good AND bad endings should have been changed.
I'm glad the video was able to provide you with something!
With Action Taimanin it's more the latter although I don't know how much of the push might be due to their desire to get more money to fund future titles as well since that was more the merchandising department's thing and they were on a different fl.oor from the devs but that said the game itself is sustainable.
Yea with GoGo it does feel like it would've as you said developed its own base given enough time. When they announced the EoS I saw quite a few really dedicated players showing their stuff too. Was really sad to see since if they had handled the title well it would've prolly been able to at last break even imo since 1 yr dev time with the team they had would've ben quite cost efficient if they had succeeded.
Really hoping they release more VNs in the future to develop the series they still have ongoing more. That and we can only hope they change the time jump stuff if they ever remaster it. 🙏
I joke how the game EoS because most of the budget went towards prioritizing hiring popular voice actors, Aoi Koga as Shinobu as well as Shisui & Noah in AT, then there's Hikaru Tono as Ine. After seeing this, I guess that was only minor compared to the actual development hell.
Yea, unfortunately voice actors in Japan don't get paid super well so while popular and more on the expensive side to hire they weren't as damaging a cost on the game as the dev hell the game was stuck in for a year since it was a low budget title.
Taimanin is a very underrated franchise, despite its fame in narrow circles. It has huge untapped resources. You can laugh at my opinion, but I clearly see the feminist potential in the franchise. At least in the games of the original canon (pre-Fuuma era). Why not? Here is a typical plot: A strong and decent woman is being tried to break by perverted representatives of the male world, but she stands up and fights back. Bingo! Wonder Woman, Ripley, Xena and many others will seem like babies compared to Asagi who had to literally eat sh*t to survive and save the people she loved.
It certainly does feel the IP has a lot of potential that hasn't been tapped on till now. With the world-building and the characters like Asagi as you mentioned it does feel like they have an IP that could be flexibly used to produce quite a huge variety of games kinda like what Action Taimanin initially was. Would be cool and I really do hope that they eventually go on to make more than just gacha games in the future and tap on that potential
@@overworkedsalaryman Anyway, I've already prepared a small script for the film adaptation of the first visual novel "Taimanin Asagi" and I'll try to write in Netflix. They want a femagenda, so they'll got a femagenda. Wish me luck!
@@angryshadowbuilder3712 Good luck o7
On gacha game, maybe I'm one of the rare ones who think that there really should be no regulation, especially on the gacha part. More regulation mean companies will try harder to try to monetize their games and might spend less time on making more fun parts of the game. Personally I think let the whales to spend as much as they want, and let them subsidize free players. As for the more scrupulous gacha practice, let the players self-regulate it by voting with their wallets.
That's a tough subject in general it feels like yea. Because parts what you say is true in that regulation leads to a lot of wasted time dealing with monetisation over focusing on gameplay. In all the gacha game projects I had worked in previously a large part of time gets wasted on compliance such as on sitting there rerolling a gacha in a simulation over and over to ensure the n-distributions are close to the displayed rates etc which is soul sucking and draws dev attention away from focusing on stuff like content planning.
That said, while there are games that try their best to be fun on top of having gachas as part of their monetisation, it's also true that a lot of the scummier practices like comp gachas and some of misrepresentations in banners etc (like putting false or half true information) are only really gone because of the fact that the fear of regulation forces companies to stop so personally I prefer some level of regulation to stop the more serious issues but there is a need for balance which might be hard to achieve for them to intervene but not too much where it causes compliance issues to becoming as time-wasting as they are now.
The issue with Taimanin GOGO is that it is too sfw like come on.
Why make such a kid looking game from a franchise like Taimanin? At least Action Taimanin is HEAVY on fanservice which makes it at least close enough to be interesting for the actual fans.
You can't pretend to catch "new audiences" by disregarding the old one, you gotta adapt to both.
Yea, that is very true. It feels like it'd be a massively uphill battle for them to try to tap on a new audience of people who want sfw content instead especially kids in particular when those people can just google the IP and realise the history that the series has.
To do so at the expense of the people that have helped support the series to what it is today feels all the worse. I feel like if they wanted to slowly move toward being more sfw it would've been better if they leaned in the direction of Action Taimanin like you mentioned or started doing more gameplay heavy games kinda like what Alicesoft did with the Rance or Dai series where it can be fun, there can be nsfw or at least just fanservice but thanks to the game being able to stand on its own it'd be able to cater better to both groups. Though that might just be my wishful thinking lol.
I mean, even if we are going with the "too young to care" or "young teen awakening" mentalities when it comes to what we post-pubescents perceive as sexual, Taimanin as a series is still one that can get pretty violent with it's sexual content. Too much so for a younger audience.
That one scene of Murasaki being turned into a flesh cube is not leaving my mind, and I'd think twice before giving Taimanin to a kid/teen before they understand some ground rules on sexuality and their personal feelings, at least not without supervision. Stick to Nekopara or something similar...
Doesn't exactly help that Taimanin as a series seems drenched in political corruption themes, which seems even more braindead to target that towards kids who REALLY do not care about that stuff.
@@LoliconSamalik It definetly feels like whatever kid comes across the IP and ends up liking it as a result of this game definetly would be in for a big shock when they see the type of IP it is from yea. Especially since it's probably the most family friendly title they've released
It's a good video and I hope that people will start to understand that you don't have to blame Gremory for everything and sometimes decisions are made by one "bad guy" or decisions are made by "Big Bosses". For example, you can cite the situation with Annerose in AT and it seems to me that the decision to make her a paywall character was the decision of the "Big Bosses" but not the decision of Gremory.
As for gogo, I thought from the very beginning that this game would not be a success and I think that the funds and efforts that were spent on gogo would have been better spent on AT.
And about AT, as I see in the comments, everyone says only positive things, but everyone forgets about the other side of the coin. AT has problems and some of them are big and also now the game is in a state of stagnation and I don't see that Gremory has any ideas how to further develop the game and what needs to be done and I think that the game has great potential and if Gremory can unlock the full potential of the game then AT will be able to earn as such games like Azur Lane, Arknights, Blue Archive and FF7 Ever Crysis.
And my last opinion, I think that Gremory should focus on AT and scratch their head and think about how to improve the game and how to attract more players to the game, and if there are no ideas in their own head, then you can look at the community of the game and find "Diamonds" among them and then sift these "Diamonds" and among them take the most valuable one. And if Gremory does decide to make another Taimanin game, then please do such a thing as a protagonist player and not Fuuma Kotaro as the protagonist, this character will only make the franchise worse.
Indeed, with this company there are plenty of good people in it too many of whom are very skilled and competent. Hence why I wanted to make doubly clear in the video that my goal is not to witch hunt the company as I do like their stuff but just to point out what went wrong for those who are interested.
Frankly it's as you say, AT does hold a lot of potential that if they can manage to further it genuinely might be able to push it into being a competitor of AL especially since they both seem to target similar groups of people.
Hopefully once they are done releasing all their newer titles they'll invest back into AT as well to push that game further with all of the competencies they've built up. 🙏
Also yea it's kinda weird how they seem toreally want to have Fuuma as an MC it feels like even just an unnamed main protag for players to use as a self-insert might work better lol.
forgot to click like all that time back orz
I hate Fuuma too. Gosh, he ra*ed our taimanin girls in TABA! Yes, I know that it was another Fuuma, but still Fuuma, damn!
The fact that the same guy headed both RPG Extasy and GoGo isn't surprising. I don't have any gripes against gogo as a game itself but it felt like a move in a direction the fans didn't particularly like. I cant speak for the JP taimanin fans but there are plenty of western fans who still want more VNs. So Go Go felt like yet another step away from what many fans liked and wanted.
And I sincerely hope that the producer who headed both of these projects gets tossed on his ass because a lot of good will and fan support has been burned by his actions, or inaction as the case seems to be.
Yea it's quite unfortunate that they've been stepping more and more away from VNs as a whole. If I recall that was a directive from the owner of the company himself as they wanted to attempt more outreach with the brand and because they start feeling that gacha games were more cost effective.
Hopefully with the current state of things they start to figure out that there's a large part of their base that want more VNs or at the very least, less micro-transaction heavy titles.
(Franky I wouldn't mind seeing a Sengoku Rance/Eiyuu Senki-ish gameplay focused consumer title come out of this company too)
@@overworkedsalaryman At the very least most people just want them to do at least one last VN that wraps up the TY plotline they've left dangling on a cliffhanger for so long.
But I would welcome different genres just not if it came at the expense of being so heavily watered down it might as well have been a different IP entirely.
@@virado255 That's true, it did feel like GoGo ended up feeling like a lil of a tonal whiplash. As a parody game it would've been pretty interesting but as the premise of a live service game it would be really tough for them to want to keep that going.
Also yes we really need a continuation or wrap-up to TY. Some of the characters I rlly like are from there I need moar.
This whole thing was a dumpster fire...save the OCs from Gogo and add them to the AT roster.
Yea it's unfortunate the way it ended up... that said the characters are really cute even the isekai'ing main protagonist so hopefully they add them to the other games too at some time and realise that there are ppl who want them too.
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