I will always have massive respect for Elize and Alissa for stepping up in Denver. That took a lot of guts. Ironic that Elize had actually auditioned for the role when Anette got the job.
Glad you did this, wanted you to, it settles in the band they are today. The BEST version of themselves. A lot of work,a lot of miracles. Everyone of them are outstanding, & yes the USA did her part! Denver, & Seattle!! You lucky people!! ❤
Floor was well received by the fans because she had been singing in the metal genre for as long as Nigthwish, with her symphonic metal bands, After Forever & ReVamp, and was already viewed as one of the best singer around.
"The band calls the shots in Nightwish." Now you know why Tarja quit/was fired. She could not live with that. The band was actually quite understanding with Anette and there was never a "Bye Bye Beautiful" or a "Master Passion Greed" songs for the end of the Anette era. That speaks volumes. I came on board the Nightwish train with Anette and I've noted that the band has never disrespected her. They were unhappy that they couldn't make it work, but they never crapped on her. Something to keep in mind.
Ohhh this one hits home. I was at that show with my 2 daughters in Denver. I remember this like it was yesterday from the time we arrived. We went to a special restaurant before the show and found a place in the balcony for our first Nightwish show. It was our first time hearing Kamelot, who instantly became a favorite (we later went to Within Temptation and Amaranthe seeing Elize again). When Troy and Tuomas came out my heart sank as I knew something was wrong and feared the show would cancel. Then, as you said, the band let the fans decide which I NEVER thought would happen. During one of the songs, the ladies got off on a verse to which the band handled it like champs. Stopped the song, helped them get back on track, the fans were amazing supporting them and they restarted crushing it. There is so much more I could say about this experience but what started out feeling like a major let down for us has turned into an once in a life time experience cementing Nightwish, Kamelot, Amaranthe and Alissa (in her many projects) in our family's hearts forever. #neverbethesame
The narrator on the video is Esko Valtaoja. A retired professor of space science in the University of Turku, Finland and a former boss of the Tuorla observatory. He is also an author and populariser of science. Esko is a warm, positive and a funny man who looks at life with a humorous twinkle in his eyes. He has tried to explain the mysteries of space, time and life so that we others could understand them. Tuomas Holopainen read his books, contacted him and they became friends. He asked Esko to join to this video. Esko Valtaoja told somewhere: "When I was a little boy, I was wondering whether I would become a big Indian chief, space pilot, or an astronomer. The last one sounded exciting even though I didn't know what an astronomer did. What I really wanted when I would grow up, was to become "The Warlord of Mars." Reference to the scifi books by Edgar Rice Burroughs.
I would point out that Floor was known to all band members as she had toured with them when she was in After Forever. And she was not unknown in the US as she had also toured there with AF.
One thing to keep in mind about Floor. At this point, she had spent over a decade singing with After Forever…a band who had previously toured Europe opening for Nightwish….and another few years fronting her own band reVamp. She was no amateur when she took over vocals on that 2012 tour…she was already an old pro. Also of note…when the band’s original singer Tarja left in 2005, Floor was a fan favorite to be her replacement, so when she finally DID join the band, it should surprise no one that she was accepted so enthusiastically.
Great reaction! Glad you are taking the time to get into the history of this great band. If you are so inclined, there is another essential documentary for Nightwish fans (much shorter) that focuses on Floor and starts out with a reunion of her Rock Academy fellow students. The interviewer then does a special feature on Floor and the Tampere 2015 concert, which features Floor's parents (who were at the concert) and the struggles Floor went through prior to Nightwish. It is very emotional and gives great insight into Floor's personality and what a sweetheart she really is: czcams.com/video/B3NIfu0qvtg/video.html
There's also a documentary from German TV about Floor's life and history where they visit her at home, and interview her family and members of Nightwish. WIth subtitles: czcams.com/video/K7J95LkC7-c/video.html
Last summer by some ridicelous coincidence I met Elize Ryd on my route. Suffice to say I dropped both package and scanner when I turned around and saw her.
Just wanna say that I appreciate very much the way how you work for your understanding the phenomenon Nightwish as not only a music producing group of people, but as a whole with history, personalities, ups and downs.......
The original intent of this documentary was to just to document the whole tour. But the unforseen events with the vocalist change turned the focus in another direction. You still get the documentary from the beginning, but the singer change is what made them start off at the point they did, then go back to the beginning.
If I remember correctly there where like only 7 people in the entire crowd that asked for a refund. Elize was actually also a contender for replacing Tarja the first time they changed vocalist but she was deemed too young at the time and they went with Anette.
Btw the one thing Floor did before accepting was call Tarja to make sure she was ok with it. They are great friends, as you can see by the chemistry they have on this show in Belgium from 2013, so after Floor joined Nightwish ... czcams.com/video/57WsNYItbSU/video.html
I think that you were already there, but this will likely cement your love for Nightwish and confirm your eternal membership with our international ‘fellowship’❤
I respect Anette's wish not to be seen or heard in this documentary but it is a shame as she was a huge success with the band and I would have loved to have seen her.
You know what this proved to me is that Troy is a much bigger part of this band then people thought......Tuomas liens on Troy for a lot of business decisions at musical decisions also they are really close........
This incident is referred to as the "Denver Debacle". It may be the bravest thing for a singer to do. To walk out on stage without previous rehearsals and intimate understanding of the songs and perform. They must have been nervous as hell. definitely best to split this up. It is a long documentary. Well done Daniel.
To answer your question about the big moments. One of them was my first Nightwish show here in Norway a few years ago. I remember most of it. probably the big moments. But I was so overwhelmed with emotion and excitement that so much is a big hole. Im glad I filmed some moments! I just held my phone in front of mu chest and recorded what I could. So I go back and go back into the moments of some of my favorite songs. :D
Daniel: By the way, here is how much this "debaucle" actually matters: Only a couple of years ago, Elize Ryd, now Amaranthe, was on tour with Sabaton -- and because of that 2012 Denver show, Elize has made it a point to learn the songs of bands she tours with. As a result, Amaranthe made and released a cover of Sabaton's song 82nd All The Way, a song about the most decorated US soldier in World War I, Sgt. Alvin York. And if I recall correctly, right before COVID shut everything down, Amaranthe actually performed 82nd All The Way onstage with Joakim and the boys of Sabaton! By the way, check out both Sabaton and Amaranthe -- I think you'd like both bands. One is a mix of metal, electronica, and has three vocalists (Amaranthe), while the other sings about military history (Sabaton). Edit: Daniel, "waxing nostalgic" is basically thinking about the past, and having fond memories of the past. Some in life take it too far, and want the "good ol' days, when things were simpler." However, as you've pointed out, Nightwish embraces change, and doesn't really dwell on the past, as we all should. So the question that's asked of Marko actually reinforces what you stated about change. And from what I've seen is that the band, Nightwish, accepts the past for what it is, and why, and how, the past molded them into the people they are now. And they understand that the past is a part of them, inherently, which is why it's better to embrace the past and take from it what you can, than let it keep you from living in the present, and the future. Because it is inherently true, and self-evidently so, that whether we like it or not, time is always moving forward. At some point, we all face the end of "our decades in the sun," and go back to the sleep we were once in, before we woke up as newborns. Even Tuomas, Marko, even Floor will one day embrace death. The point is, what kind of life will you have led? What kind of things and perhaps even lessons and teachings have you left for others? What about a family? It is these things that each of us must answer, but only when we don't let the past control our present and future are we clear-minded enough to actually not let the past influence us. While it is okay to look at the past and think about what the past means, and to even treasure the good things about the past, we must be cautious to not let the past keep us from living our lives now, and into the future. Because one day, the future becomes the present, and the present becomes the past. And at the end of life, everything about you will become part of the past, no matter how much you either run from it, or embrace it. Which is why it is better to live in the present, rather than the past -- so that you can enjoy your life as you live it. And with Nightwish, it isn't just the individual musicians' lives, but the life of the band, and the past of the band, that must be remembered, but not so much it prevents the present band from enjoying what it is the present band is doing. It is why, for instance, while I wish Jukka, the drummer, to come back and play, more than likely, he won't, because he doesn't want to put his health and life at risk, knowing what I know about his condition of insomnia. Better he does what he can for the band, despite not actually performing, than to not be able to be a part of anything the band does.
It's crazy... through all of stuff that was happening... Emppu always seemed happy!! Maybe he just avoided the drama and knew Nightwish would go on... so he wasn't worried..who knows? Maybe he just avoided the cameras during the more dramatic times...
52:26 Tuomas and Tarja had performed in school music projects. Tarja had, I would say typical young girls voice, nothing special yet. Couple of years later Tuomas started assembling the band. The original idea was to make atmospheric music, but there was an unexpected thing what changed everything. This is from their book: ------ In 1996, Tarja was on her Christmas holiday in Kitee. "I had spent the semester in the church music department of the Sibelius Academy in Kuopio. It was a really cold day in Kitee. Tuomas rang our doorbell, I remember him wearing a green parka and combat boots. He modestly told me he wanted to talk to me about something. He had brought a couple of cassettes with him and asked me if I could maybe listen to them. The music turned out to be really beautiful." Tuomas remembers that Tarja immediately agreed to join the band. Having no clear idea on the vocal melodies, Tuomas basically gave Tarja the task to figure them out herself. "There were three songs on the demo, and one of them was called 'Nightwish'", Tarja recalls. "Tuomas gave me the lyrics and backing tracks and said that he had a certain melody in mind, but I was welcome to come up with my own interpretation." At the time, the goals were not set too high. "The whole thing was supposed to be just an experiment - we'd record a demo and maybe sent it out to some record companies", Tuomas says. "There were no plans whatsoever to play gigs or to aim towards anything more serious. Tarja figured it would take maybe two days for her to sing the songs in the studio." "Tuomas called me and said that we have a vocalist", engineer Tero Kinnunen recalls. "I remember the Saturday morning we sat there waiting for her. A car pulled up to the yard, and out came a woman wearing a fur coat. I thought it was some granny in her thirties, but then I saw her face and noticed that it definitely wasn't the case. I believe Tarja was 17 or 18 at the time. The Huvikeskus studio in Kitee wasn't anything like it is today. The control room was in the theater, so we set up a mic there and started recording." Tarja went through the vocal melodies with the boys, and when the time came for her to start singing, the guys' jaws dropped to the floor. "It was such a shock for us when she first started to sing", Tuomas thinks back with awe. "I thought we were going to hear a clear, young, beautiful, girly voice in the style of Kari Rueslåtten or something - instead, Tarja had a high-pitched, bombastic voice that was already very dramatic and classical. She surprised us completely." ------------------- Very quickly the boys realized that Tarja's singing style is so dramatic and bombastic that the music must be that too. They started doing what can call as "operatic power metal". Tuomas, Emppu and Jukka were big fans of metal music, so the change was easy. It would certainly have happened anyway, but Tarja's singing style sped it up.
You can still watch the Denver Debacle show in full but you can also watch Nightwish working with Kamelot singing along with them in Last Ride of the Day.
They have the "Denver Debacle" on CZcams. I know that Elize and Alissa didn't know 100% of the lyrics, but this was last minute for everyone involved that night.
This is the third time that I watch this entire documentary and it still gives me chills and ever increases my respect for the band and their epic performances. I'll wait in high anticipation on part 2 where you'll withness the awesome south american fan base :)
Yes, just grab the nearest Canadian and German vocalists and on with the show! Interesting hearing Troy play Finlandia on the pipes at the Los Angeles concert. He had played that on one of his own albums before he ever joined Nightwish. That Imaginaerum album and associated tour were absolutely amazing and atmospheric.
Another terrific reaction, Daniel. Loved it. This is one of the great documentaries in metal music history. So well done and produced. I've watched it several times but this is another great trip down memory lane.
I am into metal for many many years and saw all the big bands live (and less known awesome bands) But Nightwish...it's not only a concert, it's group of tight friends who make your evening feel like magic. Floor always says "mijn broers" my brothers. Anette was in my opinion a mistake. I saw NW live in Serbia during a huge festival and I could not listen to my band. I really cried because I did not recognize the music anymore, she made it poppy and her voice...is live just terrible. That is why they only made musicvideo's with studio recordings with Anette. And during Covid because Humane Nature was released jyst when covid started. The guys are humble, funny, intelligent and awesome musicians. Floor had a HUGE burn out for a year, she never could deal with After Forever falling apart. So like they already said...nNW and Floor saved eachother. She still has a lot of contact with Marco and podcasts with him. Secretly I hope he will come back one day.
Enjoying your Nightwish journey, amazing talent and music. Where you from in Maryland, I live here as well on the Eastern Shore, just over the Bay Bridge.
And the final edit of this documentary they were unable to use any footage of Annette due to legal problems they were having with her at the time. Basically she wanted to be paid for the use of her image. And the producers did not want to pay her. That is why you see here featured only parts of the songs where she's not singing or onstage.
I don't know why they didn't have Marko be the main singer in Denver. You know he knows all the lyrics. Maybe that's what they did in Salt Lake. BTW, the decision to go with Floor instead of continue with Anette was basically because they also found out Anette was pregnant and they would have had to cancel the South American and Asian parts of the tour because Anette couldn't fly if she was months pregnant. And for Floor, this was the first time back on stage after more than a year with burnout or nervous breakdown.
at 54:45 I think the tranlastor made a mistake there. Instead of "wax" it should have been the verb "to be" but not was because with "you" "were" should be used. So the subtitle should have been "were you ever nostalgic on the past?"
Well it is true that floor is loved by the American fans, she is loved by all night which fans worldwide. And she is not American she actually from the Netherlands. I've always believed out of the three singers she has the greatest vocal range. The other two were very good as well but neither of them could sing across four octaves.
To wax something is to add more shine to it, like waxing a surfboard or waxing your car, etc. Marko was questioning if you ever apply a layer of wax to nostalgic memories? do you make them feel more shiny than they truly were, perhaps? I think that's what Marko was getting at.
@@ValtteL ...Taas jälleen kerran tätä tutuksi tullutta shaiššhea...Ei nuo kyllä ikinä näytä uskovan vaikka kuinka on huomauttanut tuosta jatkuvasta paskan puhumisesta/textaamisesta/disinformaation levittelystä... ¡¡¡ Ja vielä yleisillä paikoilla !!! ✌️😹 FEIK NYYS, FEIK NYYS!!!! 😆 💥 😝 Luckily there's some one who's willing to straighten out those knots of misinformation... ....... @ValtteL himself !!! 🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙 💯 💥
I do like this doc, but its very much from the bands perspective. Anette feels somewhat differently about it. She was basically fired while sick and pregnant. She REALLY objected to her temporary replacement being Floor because she knew how good and versatile floor was. She didnt leave the band, she was fired. Its known Tuomas wanted Floor for a long time, and it does feel like Anette knew this, and he got his excuse to do it. The majority of people do prefer Floor, we all know that, but Anette gave them their most commercially successful era, the bands best selling albums and singles are with her, and even on CZcams the most viewed videos are of her songs, not the Wachen 2013 show.
They just didn't want to say it out loud that Anette tried to make a power play against Tuomas. "Anette gave them their most commercially successful era" - 'Anette gave them' sounds so funny. Dark Passion Play album was almost completely finished when she joined the band. Once is still their best selling album and i believe "Over the Hills and Far Away" is their best selling single.
@@chrism2964 Slightly got in the state of Awe while reading the OG comment about "Anette's troubles" back in the days when all these events and incidents took in place as being shown on the documentary....( Wooottehell?) Hasen't she got a given chance to participate in the documentary and there for speak out her mind to the whole wörld from her own perspective what happened at the time??? - Yes, she would've got her fair chance if just having had enough balls to make things clear. Atleast from her own point of view what really happened and the way she experienced her sickness, beginning of the pregnancy, being removed from the line-up of the band, etc. etc. Why didn't she came out loud and clean? Publicly for example, and spoke out in what kind of agreement they ended up with other members and management team after the announcement she's been "kicked out of the band with an Excuse* made by Tuomas???" - *Referring to Floor's status as soon-to-be replacement singer onto her place. Yet Ms. Olzon had to checked into the hospital as instructed by the doctor and there was no more talking of that mysterious " Excuse" "An excuse" to get your favorite singer in the band by scheming a former singer out??? Soon to be Ex singer who's done excellent job on the recorded albums to make them commercially and even financially successful... Makes ZERO sense, from any point of view... And as we all know the albums and the songs of this band are ALL made for the concept called Nightwish!!! No song is made for any particular vocalist....In practic Marko Hietala has sung vast majority of the vocal melodies in pre-productions/album rehearsals on the demo tracks since early 2000's. Just like on : "The Poet and The Pendulum" early Demo Version. Soooo... That's about that who has done, what and when and why for the sake of whom....🙈
Sir, you realize you can post your reaction to Poet and the Pendulum without listening to every song they ever made, right? We'll still watch you react to other Nightwish songs. lol
Yeah, i understand. Unfortunately, it was all recorded by the time i had thought of that. Going forward, anything with subtitles will be bigger and i will be small
There are several performances where Floor was as, or more, sick and she medicated and continued on. Sometimes, you can tell, but Floor at 90% is still as good as any vocalist in the world. Annette……. was not.
I will always have massive respect for Elize and Alissa for stepping up in Denver. That took a lot of guts. Ironic that Elize had actually auditioned for the role when Anette got the job.
#facts
Glad you did this, wanted you to, it settles in the band they are today. The BEST version of themselves. A lot of work,a lot of miracles. Everyone of them are outstanding, & yes the USA did her part! Denver, & Seattle!! You lucky people!! ❤
As I commented elsewhere, how did Annette beat Elize out for the job?
Win win , Nightwish saved floor from her burnout and Floor saved Nightwish ...the rest is histpry .great docu .Greetings from nwAse Sweden
Floor was well received by the fans because she had been singing in the metal genre for as long as Nigthwish, with her symphonic metal bands, After Forever & ReVamp, and was already viewed as one of the best singer around.
"The band calls the shots in Nightwish." Now you know why Tarja quit/was fired. She could not live with that. The band was actually quite understanding with Anette and there was never a "Bye Bye Beautiful" or a "Master Passion Greed" songs for the end of the Anette era. That speaks volumes. I came on board the Nightwish train with Anette and I've noted that the band has never disrespected her. They were unhappy that they couldn't make it work, but they never crapped on her. Something to keep in mind.
Floor was destined for the magic of Nightwish. What an amazing lady she is
Ohhh this one hits home. I was at that show with my 2 daughters in Denver. I remember this like it was yesterday from the time we arrived. We went to a special restaurant before the show and found a place in the balcony for our first Nightwish show. It was our first time hearing Kamelot, who instantly became a favorite (we later went to Within Temptation and Amaranthe seeing Elize again). When Troy and Tuomas came out my heart sank as I knew something was wrong and feared the show would cancel. Then, as you said, the band let the fans decide which I NEVER thought would happen. During one of the songs, the ladies got off on a verse to which the band handled it like champs. Stopped the song, helped them get back on track, the fans were amazing supporting them and they restarted crushing it. There is so much more I could say about this experience but what started out feeling like a major let down for us has turned into an once in a life time experience cementing Nightwish, Kamelot, Amaranthe and Alissa (in her many projects) in our family's hearts forever. #neverbethesame
The narrator on the video is Esko Valtaoja. A retired professor of space science in the University of Turku, Finland and a former boss of the Tuorla observatory. He is also an author and populariser of science. Esko is a warm, positive and a funny man who looks at life with a humorous twinkle in his eyes. He has tried to explain the mysteries of space, time and life so that we others could understand them. Tuomas Holopainen read his books, contacted him and they became friends. He asked Esko to join to this video. Esko Valtaoja told somewhere: "When I was a little boy, I was wondering whether I would become a big Indian chief, space pilot, or an astronomer. The last one sounded exciting even though I didn't know what an astronomer did. What I really wanted when I would grow up, was to become "The Warlord of Mars." Reference to the scifi books by Edgar Rice Burroughs.
But do not forget that she climbed the stage in Seattle with already 16 (!) years of experience from her previous bands🤓
I would point out that Floor was known to all band members as she had toured with them when she was in After Forever. And she was not unknown in the US as she had also toured there with AF.
One thing to keep in mind about Floor. At this point, she had spent over a decade singing with After Forever…a band who had previously toured Europe opening for Nightwish….and another few years fronting her own band reVamp. She was no amateur when she took over vocals on that 2012 tour…she was already an old pro. Also of note…when the band’s original singer Tarja left in 2005, Floor was a fan favorite to be her replacement, so when she finally DID join the band, it should surprise no one that she was accepted so enthusiastically.
Awesome documentary..shows lows and great highs,a real insight into personalities. Confirms what a trooper Floor is.
Great reaction! Glad you are taking the time to get into the history of this great band. If you are so inclined, there is another essential documentary for Nightwish fans (much shorter) that focuses on Floor and starts out with a reunion of her Rock Academy fellow students. The interviewer then does a special feature on Floor and the Tampere 2015 concert, which features Floor's parents (who were at the concert) and the struggles Floor went through prior to Nightwish. It is very emotional and gives great insight into Floor's personality and what a sweetheart she really is: czcams.com/video/B3NIfu0qvtg/video.html
There's also a documentary from German TV about Floor's life and history where they visit her at home, and interview her family and members of Nightwish. WIth subtitles: czcams.com/video/K7J95LkC7-c/video.html
Last summer by some ridicelous coincidence I met Elize Ryd on my route.
Suffice to say I dropped both package and scanner when I turned around and saw her.
Just wanna say that I appreciate very much the way how you work for your understanding the phenomenon Nightwish as not only a music producing group of people, but as a whole with history, personalities, ups and downs.......
The original intent of this documentary was to just to document the whole tour. But the unforseen events with the vocalist change turned the focus in another direction. You still get the documentary from the beginning, but the singer change is what made them start off at the point they did, then go back to the beginning.
Over more that 25 years of Nightwish, Tuomas’ request, get on the plane and 48 hours to learn the set is probably his best decision.
If I remember correctly there where like only 7 people in the entire crowd that asked for a refund. Elize was actually also a contender for replacing Tarja the first time they changed vocalist but she was deemed too young at the time and they went with Anette.
Btw the one thing Floor did before accepting was call Tarja to make sure she was ok with it. They are great friends, as you can see by the chemistry they have on this show in Belgium from 2013, so after Floor joined Nightwish ... czcams.com/video/57WsNYItbSU/video.html
Great that you did that. Every Nightwish fan must watch this because it’s Nightwish history. Great reaction!
Cheers Reuben!
I think that you were already there, but this will likely cement your love for Nightwish and confirm your eternal membership with our international ‘fellowship’❤
I respect Anette's wish not to be seen or heard in this documentary but it is a shame as she was a huge success with the band and I would have loved to have seen her.
Imaginaerum is, in my view the high water mark of Nightwish albums. Thank you Tuomas andAnnette..
Grown ass man here tearin like a feffing small girl. You got it man, you effing got it.
You know what this proved to me is that Troy is a much bigger part of this band then people thought......Tuomas liens on Troy for a lot of business decisions at musical decisions also they are really close........
This incident is referred to as the "Denver Debacle". It may be the bravest thing for a singer to do. To walk out on stage without previous rehearsals and intimate understanding of the songs and perform. They must have been nervous as hell. definitely best to split this up. It is a long documentary. Well done Daniel.
To answer your question about the big moments. One of them was my first Nightwish show here in Norway a few years ago. I remember most of it. probably the big moments. But I was so overwhelmed with emotion and excitement that so much is a big hole. Im glad I filmed some moments! I just held my phone in front of mu chest and recorded what I could. So I go back and go back into the moments of some of my favorite songs. :D
Best move ever to get Floor
floor safe nightwish + nightwish safe floor .
Daniel: By the way, here is how much this "debaucle" actually matters: Only a couple of years ago, Elize Ryd, now Amaranthe, was on tour with Sabaton -- and because of that 2012 Denver show, Elize has made it a point to learn the songs of bands she tours with.
As a result, Amaranthe made and released a cover of Sabaton's song 82nd All The Way, a song about the most decorated US soldier in World War I, Sgt. Alvin York. And if I recall correctly, right before COVID shut everything down, Amaranthe actually performed 82nd All The Way onstage with Joakim and the boys of Sabaton!
By the way, check out both Sabaton and Amaranthe -- I think you'd like both bands. One is a mix of metal, electronica, and has three vocalists (Amaranthe), while the other sings about military history (Sabaton).
Edit: Daniel, "waxing nostalgic" is basically thinking about the past, and having fond memories of the past. Some in life take it too far, and want the "good ol' days, when things were simpler." However, as you've pointed out, Nightwish embraces change, and doesn't really dwell on the past, as we all should. So the question that's asked of Marko actually reinforces what you stated about change. And from what I've seen is that the band, Nightwish, accepts the past for what it is, and why, and how, the past molded them into the people they are now. And they understand that the past is a part of them, inherently, which is why it's better to embrace the past and take from it what you can, than let it keep you from living in the present, and the future. Because it is inherently true, and self-evidently so, that whether we like it or not, time is always moving forward. At some point, we all face the end of "our decades in the sun," and go back to the sleep we were once in, before we woke up as newborns. Even Tuomas, Marko, even Floor will one day embrace death. The point is, what kind of life will you have led? What kind of things and perhaps even lessons and teachings have you left for others? What about a family? It is these things that each of us must answer, but only when we don't let the past control our present and future are we clear-minded enough to actually not let the past influence us. While it is okay to look at the past and think about what the past means, and to even treasure the good things about the past, we must be cautious to not let the past keep us from living our lives now, and into the future. Because one day, the future becomes the present, and the present becomes the past. And at the end of life, everything about you will become part of the past, no matter how much you either run from it, or embrace it. Which is why it is better to live in the present, rather than the past -- so that you can enjoy your life as you live it.
And with Nightwish, it isn't just the individual musicians' lives, but the life of the band, and the past of the band, that must be remembered, but not so much it prevents the present band from enjoying what it is the present band is doing.
It is why, for instance, while I wish Jukka, the drummer, to come back and play, more than likely, he won't, because he doesn't want to put his health and life at risk, knowing what I know about his condition of insomnia. Better he does what he can for the band, despite not actually performing, than to not be able to be a part of anything the band does.
I concur !
It's crazy... through all of stuff that was happening... Emppu always seemed happy!! Maybe he just avoided the drama and knew Nightwish would go on... so he wasn't worried..who knows? Maybe he just avoided the cameras during the more dramatic times...
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Tuomas and Tarja had performed in school music projects. Tarja had, I would say typical young girls voice, nothing special yet. Couple of years later Tuomas started assembling the band. The original idea was to make atmospheric music, but there was an unexpected thing what changed everything. This is from their book:
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In 1996, Tarja was on her Christmas holiday in Kitee. "I had spent the semester in the church music department of the Sibelius Academy in Kuopio. It was a really cold day in Kitee. Tuomas rang our doorbell, I remember him wearing a green parka and combat boots. He modestly told me he wanted to talk to me about something. He had brought a couple of cassettes with him and asked me if I could maybe listen to them. The music turned out to be really beautiful."
Tuomas remembers that Tarja immediately agreed to join the band. Having no clear idea on the vocal melodies, Tuomas basically gave Tarja the task to figure them out herself. "There were three songs on the demo, and one of them was called 'Nightwish'", Tarja recalls. "Tuomas gave me the lyrics and backing tracks and said that he had a certain melody in mind, but I was welcome to come up with my own interpretation."
At the time, the goals were not set too high. "The whole thing was supposed to be just an experiment - we'd record a demo and maybe sent it out to some record companies", Tuomas says. "There were no plans whatsoever to play gigs or to aim towards anything more serious. Tarja figured it would take maybe two days for her to sing the songs in the studio."
"Tuomas called me and said that we have a vocalist", engineer Tero Kinnunen recalls. "I remember the Saturday morning we sat there waiting for her. A car pulled up to the yard, and out came a woman wearing a fur coat. I thought it was some granny in her thirties, but then I saw her face and noticed that it definitely wasn't the case. I believe Tarja was 17 or 18 at the time. The Huvikeskus studio in Kitee wasn't anything like it is today. The control room was in the theater, so we set up a mic there and started recording."
Tarja went through the vocal melodies with the boys, and when the time came for her to start singing, the guys' jaws dropped to the floor. "It was such a shock for us when she first started to sing", Tuomas thinks back with awe. "I thought we were going to hear a clear, young, beautiful, girly voice in the style of Kari Rueslåtten or something - instead, Tarja had a high-pitched, bombastic voice that was already very dramatic and classical. She surprised us completely."
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Very quickly the boys realized that Tarja's singing style is so dramatic and bombastic that the music must be that too. They started doing what can call as "operatic power metal". Tuomas, Emppu and Jukka were big fans of metal music, so the change was easy. It would certainly have happened anyway, but Tarja's singing style sped it up.
Bud, if you can make the in-screen a bit bigger and canter it a bot more so we can read the sub titles. Thanks for your great reactions
Yeah i do apologize for that i only thought about that after it all!! I feel dumb! I think that going forward i will switch screens ill be small
🇬🇧 Norfolk : glad you got round to this for a greater understanding of the band 😊
Ooh i love you are doing this. One of us. One of us.
And 11 years later, Nightwish is still here
You can still watch the Denver Debacle show in full but you can also watch Nightwish working with Kamelot singing along with them in Last Ride of the Day.
Clunky and all, I will always have a fondness for that specific Last Ride of the Day rendition. 💙
In an interview, Floor was asked if she could have learned the whole setlist in 47 hours. Her answer: “well I fucking did, didn’t I?”
Absolute class!! For Nightwish, it's all about the fans.
Marco & Rocking chair ❤
Goosebumps all the way...
They have the "Denver Debacle" on CZcams. I know that Elize and Alissa didn't know 100% of the lyrics, but this was last minute for everyone involved that night.
This is the third time that I watch this entire documentary and it still gives me chills and ever increases my respect for the band and their epic performances. I'll wait in high anticipation on part 2 where you'll withness the awesome south american fan base :)
Yes, just grab the nearest Canadian and German vocalists and on with the show!
Interesting hearing Troy play Finlandia on the pipes at the Los Angeles concert. He had played that on one of his own albums before he ever joined Nightwish.
That Imaginaerum album and associated tour were absolutely amazing and atmospheric.
Another terrific reaction, Daniel. Loved it. This is one of the great documentaries in metal music history. So well done and produced. I've watched it several times but this is another great trip down memory lane.
I am into metal for many many years and saw all the big bands live (and less known awesome bands)
But Nightwish...it's not only a concert, it's group of tight friends who make your evening feel like magic. Floor always says "mijn broers" my brothers.
Anette was in my opinion a mistake. I saw NW live in Serbia during a huge festival and I could not listen to my band. I really cried because I did not recognize the music anymore, she made it poppy and her voice...is live just terrible. That is why they only made musicvideo's with studio recordings with Anette. And during Covid because Humane Nature was released jyst when covid started.
The guys are humble, funny, intelligent and awesome musicians.
Floor had a HUGE burn out for a year, she never could deal with After Forever falling apart.
So like they already said...nNW and Floor saved eachother. She still has a lot of contact with Marco and podcasts with him.
Secretly I hope he will come back one day.
That first performance without Annette was like Nightwish karaoke, celebrity edition. lol Cause those girls got their own band.
Enjoying your Nightwish journey, amazing talent and music. Where you from in Maryland, I live here as well on the Eastern Shore, just over the Bay Bridge.
Maryland represent! Woo! Lol. Im northern Maryland about 30 minutes away from Frederick.
A bit of added context for Anette's illness - she was actually pregnant, probably why the doctors wanted her in hospital, just to be safe.
i love Alissa's clean vocals and they were both on Floor's You Tube channel.I also like Alissa 's regular vocala.
Nightwish is allways inspiration and encouragement in everything! It's amazing that such an amazing band even came about!
Watch this a lot, but i really enjoy You watching this and give us youre opiniun and how you take this in Thnxxx mate for diving in
Cheers Marcel! Much love
One of the women is Elise ryd, the singer for amaranth and floors neighbor! I've watched this a dozen times, it doesn't get old!
Great amount of watchalong numbers daniel
Sorry I missed the live but thanks for doing this!
Thank you❤🇫🇮!!
I recently bought the concert flyer for Nightwish and Kamelot in Seattle, Floor’s first show but she not on the playbill.
so glad you did this!!!!
And the final edit of this documentary they were unable to use any footage of Annette due to legal problems they were having with her at the time. Basically she wanted to be paid for the use of her image. And the producers did not want to pay her. That is why you see here featured only parts of the songs where she's not singing or onstage.
He said: "Do you ever look back with a kind of longing for certain things?" (watch, not wax :) )
Love it👍 looking forward to part 2
I don't know why they didn't have Marko be the main singer in Denver. You know he knows all the lyrics. Maybe that's what they did in Salt Lake. BTW, the decision to go with Floor instead of continue with Anette was basically because they also found out Anette was pregnant and they would have had to cancel the South American and Asian parts of the tour because Anette couldn't fly if she was months pregnant. And for Floor, this was the first time back on stage after more than a year with burnout or nervous breakdown.
Very nice reaction about Elize and Alissa. Though they are not men, they really got balls of steel as you said.
They showed extreme guts!
There is an epica documentary called the holographic documentary...I think around the making of their album. It is in 3 parts.
at 54:45 I think the tranlastor made a mistake there. Instead of "wax" it should have been the verb "to be" but not was because with "you" "were" should be used. So the subtitle should have been "were you ever nostalgic on the past?"
Do you ever wax nostalgic on the past? That means basically do you ever feel nostalgia about the past.
Well it is true that floor is loved by the American fans, she is loved by all night which fans worldwide. And she is not American she actually from the Netherlands. I've always believed out of the three singers she has the greatest vocal range. The other two were very good as well but neither of them could sing across four octaves.
You should look into Alissa in Arch Enemy and Elize with her band Amaranthe - they are both excellent singers and 2 outstanding bands.
"The Former vocalist" means Anette Olzon...
To wax something is to add more shine to it, like waxing a surfboard or waxing your car, etc.
Marko was questioning if you ever apply a layer of wax to nostalgic memories? do you make them feel more shiny than they truly were, perhaps?
I think that's what Marko was getting at.
It was just really weird translation. He just asked "do you ever get nostalgic about the past?" in Finnish.
@@ValtteL ...Taas jälleen kerran tätä tutuksi tullutta shaiššhea...Ei nuo kyllä ikinä näytä uskovan vaikka kuinka on huomauttanut tuosta jatkuvasta paskan puhumisesta/textaamisesta/disinformaation levittelystä... ¡¡¡ Ja vielä yleisillä paikoilla !!!
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FEIK NYYS, FEIK NYYS!!!!
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Luckily there's some one who's willing to straighten out those knots of misinformation...
....... @ValtteL himself !!!
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There’s an additional meaning: waxing in the sense of growing. Like the moon that waxes and wanes over the 29 days of the lunar cycle.
I know you love Marco, you should check out Stones by Marco.
so now you have to dive into Arch Enemy (Alissa) and Amanrathe (Elize)
Here is longer clip from Denver show
Nightwish - The Denver Debacle (2012)
czcams.com/video/zH33rNy33iU/video.html
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15:30: If Alissa had balls, they would be steel!
I do like this doc, but its very much from the bands perspective. Anette feels somewhat differently about it. She was basically fired while sick and pregnant. She REALLY objected to her temporary replacement being Floor because she knew how good and versatile floor was. She didnt leave the band, she was fired. Its known Tuomas wanted Floor for a long time, and it does feel like Anette knew this, and he got his excuse to do it.
The majority of people do prefer Floor, we all know that, but Anette gave them their most commercially successful era, the bands best selling albums and singles are with her, and even on CZcams the most viewed videos are of her songs, not the Wachen 2013 show.
They just didn't want to say it out loud that Anette tried to make a power play against Tuomas.
"Anette gave them their most commercially successful era" - 'Anette gave them' sounds so funny. Dark Passion Play album was almost completely finished when she joined the band. Once is still their best selling album and i believe "Over the Hills and Far Away" is their best selling single.
@@ValtteL Worldwide I mean, it's DPP and Amaranth.
Don't take what people say quite so literally, most people understand what I was saying.
@@chrism2964 Slightly got in the state of Awe while reading the OG comment about "Anette's troubles" back in the days when all these events and incidents took in place as being shown on the documentary....( Wooottehell?)
Hasen't she got a given chance to participate in the documentary and there for speak out her mind to the whole wörld from her own perspective what happened at the time???
- Yes, she would've got her fair chance if just having had enough balls to make things clear. Atleast from her own point of view what really happened and the way she experienced her sickness, beginning of the pregnancy, being removed from the line-up of the band, etc. etc.
Why didn't she came out loud and clean? Publicly for example, and spoke out in what kind of agreement they ended up with other members and management team after the announcement she's been "kicked out of the band with an Excuse* made by Tuomas???" - *Referring to Floor's status as soon-to-be replacement singer onto her place.
Yet Ms. Olzon had to checked into the hospital as instructed by the doctor and there was no more talking of that mysterious " Excuse"
"An excuse" to get your favorite singer in the band by scheming a former singer out???
Soon to be Ex singer who's done excellent job on the recorded albums to make them commercially and even financially successful...
Makes ZERO sense, from any point of view...
And as we all know the albums and the songs of this band are ALL made for the concept called Nightwish!!!
No song is made for any particular vocalist....In practic Marko Hietala has sung vast majority of the vocal melodies in pre-productions/album rehearsals on the demo tracks since early 2000's.
Just like on : "The Poet and The Pendulum" early Demo Version.
Soooo... That's about that who has done, what and when and why for the sake of whom....🙈
@@jaskau2462 Way to over react and completely miss what I actually said..
How the hell Annette was ever chosen over Elize to replace Tarja……..
Sir, you realize you can post your reaction to Poet and the Pendulum without listening to every song they ever made, right? We'll still watch you react to other Nightwish songs. lol
Make the screen bigger! It's too small to read!
Yeah from now on whenever subtitles are involved i will flip the screen around
if u don't put it wholescreen I can't read subtitles
Yeah, i understand. Unfortunately, it was all recorded by the time i had thought of that. Going forward, anything with subtitles will be bigger and i will be small
There are several performances where Floor was as, or more, sick and she medicated and continued on. Sometimes, you can tell, but Floor at 90% is still as good as any vocalist in the world. Annette……. was not.
You’re very far from wrapping up the journey because they have, over the last several months, been recording studio album 10……
By the way, "Turn loose the Mermaids", the song at the beginning, is a nice song with Anette. 😉
Absolutely a banger of a ballad.