£100M for Bruno Guimaraes - what would you do?
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- The Daily Mail's Craig Hope explores the transfer dilemma that could face Newcastle United this summer - if PSG, Manchester City or Arsenal activate the £100m release clause in the contract of Bruno Guimaraes, do they sell or attempt to persuade the Brazilian to stay? What would Craig do? What would you do?
Here's what Eddie Howe had to say... www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo... - Sport
Keep, we cant replace him for less than 100m
Seem to remember buying him for considerably less than that …
We already have in Tonali
Sorry Craig you’re sooooo sooo wide of the mark on this one!!! We must keep him it’s only the media (you included ) that creates this frenzy !! Shame on you!!
How can you say Bruno is not a £100m player when he's just entered his prime years and is never injured? Caicedo was £120m like.
Bruno and Schar were really the only players able to resist the high-energy high-press style of game we were trying to do.
@@wagcwb0 100%. Bruno real quality is his press resistance and intelligence as to when to release the ball or draw a foul. I'm not sure I've seen another player out there who is as good as him at it. Look at the state of our midfield this season, take him out and we're not even a top half team
Not often I disagree with you Craig but you’re miles off it here - there’s no world where selling Bruno is a good idea. Hes more than just a centre mid for us, he’s a figurehead for the club.
100m is nothing in terms of FFP, Villa got 100m for Grealish (pure profit as well, Bruno would only be 50% profit) and are rumoured to be selling Ramsay to us due to FFP problems and they hardly broke the bank.
I don’t think u understand how ffp works we signed him 2.5 yrs ago with a contract length of 5 yrs for 40 mil therefore his book value will be 20 mil today.We would make 80% on him if we sold him for 100 mil.
I would never sell Bruno, unless he asks to go
I’d rather we didn’t buy anyone this summer than sell Bruno
He's worth 100m and no less. And while there is the 100m release clause the issue is how do we replace him? He offers an elite mentality, yes but also you are undervaluing his playing attributes and on the ball, tactical contribution.
Who or how would we replace him? There are vanishingly few CMs around who can offer what he offers. The passing ability, flair, close control, and playmaking abilities are rare in one package - even more so when allied with his fighting spirit.
Selling Bruno is totally counterproductive.....
We're trying to build an eilte squad, not depleate the elite players from it !
The love Bruno shows for the club, the fans, the people of the city and the shirt is worth more than a few quid and a few extra players. We keep Bruno at all costs, unless he wanted to go.
The problem is, unless it's a ludicrous, unrealistic amount of money, i don't think we can replace him. He's one of the best, we can only get a worse replacement.
But is a worse replacment plus 4 good quality players better than just bruno?
@@edpurdy1808
no...
it makes us spurs..
Bruno is great, we all love him, but £100m at this stage of the club’s journey would probably give us £200m of extra funds to strengthen the team. Tonali may well yet be even better than Bruno. The spending rules mean we have to be pragmatic and Bruno is easier to replace that Isak
@@ontheslide2339 when did spurs sell a massive player and then buy loads of players to replace them??
@@JJSpence15 Sold bale went from 6th to 5th next year and then up to 3rd. If we sell bruno and get better I'm not upset
Keep. We don't need to sell in order to spend. It's a myth. We spent £120m+ last summer without the adidas and CL money. We can offload some lesser players for £15m-£20m and still be able to make a few relatively big signings.
agreed instead of selling bruno, sell longstaff, willock etc for 20 mil each
20 mil for Longstaff good luck 😂
@@andrewvaughan5686why would you sell willock you can see how much hes been missed this season sell krafth lascelles dummet almiron hayden
@@robbo2099 Leeds are sniffing around for £15m.
100%
He's going nowhere like. We'll build in a couple of key areas as well as maybe selling Longstaff and Willock beforehand.
Sell. Oh, wait. No way. He's the heart beat of our team. Been a poor season but still in the mix some how. We need to build and getting his big brother back will make a huge difference next season. Get some quality in during the summer and keep building.
Do you and Keith Downie take turns walking around the in door training room? Do you walk past each other on the way out and are like ‘your turn mate’ or just give each other the nod
Geordie Journos gave you a name check as you were in the background of Dom and Jordans vid
You keep him at all costs or the club will be in disarray.
The only reason this conversation is happening is because of the ridiculous PSR rules. These clowns are ruining this league and I’m rapidly losing interest I’m afraid. I recently cancelled sky sports after almost two decades. Speaks volumes really.
Same mate I’ve not watched about 4/5 games this season because I’ve had it with football, unfortunately it’s in my blood and hard to let go 😅😂. The games rigged and it makes me sick
If we have any plans to be winners we have to build around our best players . And the best players in the league
Who do we replace him with? I'd love to hear your candidates. That's the difficulty. He brings so much to the team, he's more than just a baller.
It's a tricky one - I'd get it if he went.
@bugsthompson that's the argument isn't it. There's no reason why Tonali can't perform better than Bruno next season. We need to bring in another midfielder though, Sean Longstaff isn't good enough.
Replace him with 2 decent midfielders for good money and still have some spare for another position. Is 1 man worth 3 different positions being filled?
Ross Barkley will probably be available
If Bruno has to go, please let it be overseas. I would hate to see in at a rival
Indeed. It would hurt to see him in a City or Arsenal kit 😭
Craig's optimistic persona obviously met its release clause.
if you sell a elite player it makes it hard to ever sign one in the future, players then come from abroad and use you as a stepping stone
I disagree we cant pretend we are city, we don't have the finances we have to sell to get better.
@@edpurdy1808 i do think we need to balance the books and bring money in to sign players, with the staduim getting named it may help us hold on to him
Players are drawn by money and ambition. Staying as a selling club makes ambition hard to prove to prospective signings.
@@leeowens9506I agree
If he wants to go and the release clause is met he will be sold. Would I sell him, if he didn't want to go, no!!!
He epitomises everything good about the project. You don't sell your assets, if you can manage the FFP costs elsewhere.
If he wants to go….
Otherwise he’s elite in his football and his attitude. I don’t think £100M cannot buy a replacement.
You sell your top players and you go backwards it’s as simple as that. If we are an ambitious club and want to catch the top clubs we can’t let Bruno go because the gap would widen and we could not replace him. Its alright saying we could get 2 or 3 players in but they would be no where near the quality we would want and when you consider our midfield at the minute without Bruno it’s simply bottom half of the table quality. We have to let go of the fringe players and also first teamers Wilson, Almiron, Targett, Dubravka, Murphy and certainly Sean Longstaff, if he is still in our starting lineup next season then we don’t deserve to keep the likes of Bruno. Longstaff has got to be sold and if you can get £15/20 million then he has to go, he is so limited on the pitch and cannot be part of our future. Yes he runs around and works hard but that is not enough anymore, so please keep Bruno and improve on the the other parts of the team around him.
We have a track record of good signings if we could buy bruno for 35 mil who is to say that one of the 3-4 players we bring in wont improve to his level. I think buying a better quality right winger, great goalkeeper, good attacking midfielder and a quality CB
would make us a better team then keeping just bruno. Look at villa what they have done with grealish's money, they have loads pf quality squad players which makes them better even when having injuries.
@@edpurdy1808 remember when Spurs sold Bale and Villa went backwards after selling Grealish before Emery came in. If we sell Bruno it tells Isak, Gordon and Botman where our ambition in the short term lies
Its totally counterproductive
@@user-yj2od2od8mBruno is a very good player but he isn’t the best at the club we can survive without him if anything a midelfield without him might have more balance. I don’t follow the logic that if we sell Bruno then it shows we lack ambition or something. We will sell him and then reinvest straight away into more great players who will make our team better.
@@user-yj2od2od8mIf we were to buy Eze, sesko, diomande, mbemo and mamardashvilli that’s makes us a much better team than keep Bruno and being able to buy 1 of them.
What a daft question. Ofcourse keep!
Broadly in agreement with you. The problem is that we’d likely still have the likes of Krafth, Murphy, Almiron and Longstaff on the books. Bruno going, and those players still being in the squad just isn’t tenable for me. Bruno going and a majority, if not all the aforementioned going too, is another story. Who’d we be replacing Bruno with in both those circumstances matters a great deal.
Well done Craig for asking the question to Eddie and most of all him giving you clarification regarding his actual release clause time limit
Isak is the one who can’t be sold. Keeping a goalscorer is more important. Scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in football. Also dribblers are unique and they deserve more respect.
Keep Bruno, it's a no brainer.
If Newcastle want to compete at the top table they have to keep players like Bruno it’s as simple as that and then add quality players around him
I don't really think of it as a case of having to replace Bruno as an individual, more a case of can you improve the overall quality of the current squad, Bruno included, with the 100m we're asking for him. If the answer to that is no then we shouldn't sell him, which of course will depend on what Bruno wants should his clause be activated. If we can go on the same sort of spending spree that we did when we bought Bruno, Botman, Isak etc, and bring in that sort of quality for around the 30-40 million mark, with Isak being an exception at 60 odd million, then we probably should sell Bruno if it means we otherwise won't be able to afford to substantially bolster the squad. Of course picking a list of players of similar quality to the aforementioned and then being able to strike deals for them is obviously easier said than done.
I honestly think being able to spend 200 mil extra on players is worth it for 1 player. He doesn't need to be replaced if the squad and starting 11 get much better.
Our selling days of better players should be over despite the problem financially
Absolutely right
You don’t build success by getting rid of your best players. We should do everything we can to keep him.
Bruno’s form has never dropped, the players around him have. We are awful without him, he makes longstaff look bang average when in reality he’s league 1 level.
Let's hope that, for once, Eddie is brave tomorrow and goes for the jugular from 2pm with the team selection:
(4-4-2)
Dubravka,
Tino, Schar, Burn, Hall,
Murphy, Bruno, Anderson, Barnes,
Gordon, Isak.
We should give the ”real first team” a chance before we sell any top player tbh… with the full team available we will improve and so will the value of our players. So no rush ✌️
If he goes to another PL club I’d be mortified.
Never sell him. Who the hell could replace him. First player to really get us fans and the club in years. Love him and everything about his personality. Will be gutted when he goes! Also we will find it hard to buy because clubs will know we have money to spend!
I would definitely keep him he is priceless.
My understanding is that £100 million clause is the full amount up front. It's difficult to see any club in world football being able to afford that. Even Citeh would most likely have to do it in installments.
Put simply. We cannot sell Bruno unless we sell Longstaff, Murphy, Targett, Lacelles, Almiron, Wilson, Kraft, Dubravka and not even mentioning Hayden and Fraser. We have far too much deadwood that would free up space in an FFP world before thinking about selling Bruno.
I cant apprehend why there is a clause in there for such a short period of time, why have your agent put one on in the first place but also to expire after june?
It means that the whole summer won't be taken up with rumours about Bruno being sold to...(pick a team). There are only a small handful of temas that can afford to spend £100M, and they'll have to do it early in the transfer window, so it won't rumble on and disrupt whatever we have to do. Barca can't afford him, neither can most teams. City? PSG? Maybe. I@d rather keep him, but football is a crazy game!
@@silvafox7719 no logic behind this reply, as to why the agent would care if there is rumours? his game is to make money, secondly why include a clause at all? 80% of football contracts dont hold clauses.
Keep him at all costs he plays for the shirt he loves the club he gets the fans and that’s priceless for me.
What about Ashworth trying to force through the move? Man U have no class in how they have went about this
Bruno Fernández is ManU best player and captain.. plays in same position, so can't see him going there... also the club is a basket case and Ratcliffe appears he doesn't like to part with that sort of cash - he just cut £30k in benefits for the staff trip to the Cup Final!
We need to build a team around Bruno I would hate to see him go. If he is to go then please not another PL club
Keep Bruno and steadily build the squad. Slow and steady wins the race.
Something else which shouldt be over looked is the amount of games he can get through.. without rotation options.
Isn't there a dumb stat where we haven't won a game without him in the side or something daft? Not sure players like that can be replaced especially if Eddie Howe targets some reject that's only 'quality' is running around a lot to replace him as he loves those headless chicken types, the money being used sensibly is key.
To paraphrase king kev "I would love it if we could keep bruno. LOVE it!" However, the simple facts are if we are not able to find £100m plus in the summer to improve the squad keeping him would mean we'd start next season with more or less the same squad we have now which most fans have spent the season agreeing is not good enough to push regularly for champions league top 4. And so with a heavy heart i'd say if we can get £100m & add 2-3 top quality players who will improve the squad & the options available to eddie next season we have to sell him. We have to face facts, until such time that these ridiculous ffp rules are changed we have to operate in a buy low sell high business model in order to keep this project on an upward trajectory. It's pointless moaning otherwise or being overly sentimental about the realities facing our club. That's my opinion anyway. Cheers as always craig.
I wouldn't sell him, although you make some good points. It's not just his abilities, but by replacing him, the next guy might not gel as well with the team, Bruno's attitude is brilliant
Bruno is very like Rob Lee in how he drives us forward but he is playing below his ability this season. He rarely offers much in front of goal and lacks pace. However he makes up for it in the way he shields the ball and his speed of thought.
Is he irreplaceable? No. Is he worth £100million? No. Would we get a player of better quality for £100million+? Probably yes.
Would I sell him? Not a chance. Bruno is a special player for us who lifts the team and under a top class manager, he will flourish.
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Keep at all costs.
So we sell Bruno because pretty much the ones we really want to sell have very little sell on value. Absolutely sucks. We need right mid, centre half and possibly Bruno replacement, then at least 3 squad players. Who is to say Bruno leaving wouldn't mean Isak offers too good to refuse come also. Then we are sunk, bottom half squad, again.
I don't think we will sell Bruno for the simple reason you couldn't replace him with anything like the quality required. It would be one step forward and two back. If we aspire to be elite European power you do not sell your best players. I think we may have more money to spend than some people think. The Sela, Adidas contracts not to mention Champions League money are all massive increases on last year. We may well be in for a pleasant surprise inspite of FFP.
Rule 1 - only sell players you can replace.
NUFC will lose much more than they can gain or replace by selling Bruno. Just look at the 2 goals Isak scored v Spurs. Both from initial pass or direct pass from Bruno. If you think you will get a player that will give you 110% every game, you are deluded. Just look at some of the current players that are way below par whenever Newcastle play away! That is an issue and Eddie is trying to resolve it but Bruno is not one of those players. Some players , some employees in any business are indispensable. + what does it say about ambition to win things. Sell 3 or 4 of the dead wood and if you can make half Bruno's sell price, do with that.
Wish the press would stop making up the future.
We’ve had superstar individuals since Asprilla. We now need a great team. If Bruno, Isak or Botman are sold, forget it until the next owners.
Quite right
If Bruno wants to stay he stays. You cant buy the talent, passion and character of him in another footballer. In his own words he wants to be a legend here and I believe he will be!
Keep obviously. We aren't that enticing a club as we'd like to believe.
I think your logic is flawed. You imply its a done deal, if it is, so be it. But it's not a good thing.
Caceido cost £120. Bruno is in a different class. So he is a £100 million player, especially with a better team. If we improve then he improves. Who do we get in who can replace him? Start naming replacements and their cost, otherwise its just waffle.
So I totally disagree.
The ownership and fan base relationship would be in tatters if Bruno left.
Unless he wants to leave, don't sell him; that times a billion, don't sell him to another PL club. Craig mentions FFP and here is the crux of the matter. Because of last season's 'mistakes' in the transfer market that £100m price tag is much more attractive than it needs to be. Selling our prize asset because of that merely compounds those mistakes. Another thing; what are the club actively doing about the FFP rules and their UEFA equivalent? Because they should be doing something. The fact is that most of the 'big 6' clubs in the PL are carrying eye-watering levels of debt, likewise the big continental clubs who were, with the 'big 6' , behind the Super League. They've pressurised UEFA and the PL into introducing these rules to protect their position and ensure that their debts don't destroy them. Look at it this way, they have accrued these massive debts at a time when there were no regulations to stop them and they need to protect their positions at the top of the football pyramid so that they can afford to carry those debts, through prize money, advertising and sponsorship deals. If any of those sources dry up then their ability to continue to operate at the top level while carrying so much debt becomes seriously threatened. So they invent rules that ensure that no other clubs will ever be in a position to threaten their sporting dominance in the game in order to protect themselves from their past financial profligacy. If FFP or whatever was about anything else, then the elephant in the room that it should be tackling is clubs' indebtedness, probably more than anything else and that includes debts accrued through building new stadia. NUFC with their financial and therefore legal backing should be challenging this obvious cartelism all the way to the highest courts in the UK and in the rest of Europe. Instead, we're talking about selling our prize asset, ensuring that the cartel's plans to keep the rest of football out, can only succeed. Pathetic. The whole rotten lot is crooked as hell and the sale of Bruno Guimaraes would be as a direct result of financial cheating by other clubs and by NUFC's failure to try to do anything about it.
What mistakes
@@ih8utoob51 Watch Craig's videos about last summer's transfer business; I generally agree with him, I'm also not convinced by Tonali. We'll see.
@@ih8utoob51 I'll reply again as my first attempt seems to have disappeared. For 'mistakes' look at Craig's previous posts about last summer's transfer business, with which I (largely) agree. Also, I have my doubts about Tonali. I won't post this again, so I hope you can see it this time.
The difference between Newcastle and the other “Big” clubs is that we have failed to sell players on for big amounts , apart from Maxi and Wood the likes of Frazier , Hendricks etc etc. have all gone out on loan and not generated any revenue
I think we are hoping that can change this summer with maybe Wilson and Almiron being sold for whatever we can get, maybe even see what clubs will offer for Longstaff.
The main difference is the academies. Newcastle are so far behind most of the league and won't catch up any time soon.
The question is irrelevant because if his release clause is £100m and we get an offer of that amount, we have to accept it. If it's a general question of should we sell him, then the answer is no, but we might not have a choice. I just hope that offer doesn't come from another Prem club - I couldn't bare to see him play against us. The news that he recently bought a huge mansion in the area seems to have been forgotten too...
Your argument for keeping Bruno was way stronger 😅
Unique talents hard to find, Bruno and Usak must stay.
Only sell him if he intends to leave us in 2 years anyway. But I feel he wants to stay. We need him.
100 million pound player with Longstaff and co playing alongside him, give him something decent in midfield and you would see 120+ player. We keep him and get rid of the dross he is making look good.
Keep, we don't need to sell. Raise the clubs revenues, get a stadium sponsorship, get a training ground sponsor . Selling our better players is a backward step and in the current market it costs more to get inferior replacements
Agree. Should double/triple season tickets and ticket prices to get some more revenue in.
Is Bruno worth 100m? To buying clubs? Most likely not. To us? Without a doubt. Just look at us with vs without him in the middle of the park.
We talk about the money then being invested in to the club IF he was sold, but who is to say that would be used in the same window?
I agree he’s not worth £100M and I do think we Newcastle fans have over hyped him somewhat. He’s a top player but he’s not in the world class bracket some would put him in.
If we are to progress we need to keep him. Learn from the mistakes of the past when we sold Beardsley, Gazza and Waddle.
Build the team around Botman, Bruno, Joelinton, Gordon and Isak and we can be challenging for Top 4 consistently.
I think he’s absolutely world class, he needs an elite manager with elite players next to him
Do we really want to supplement the cartel with our best player absolutely not him botman isak and gordon are not for sale. Lot of other players who they can sell to get very good replacements in
None of the big teams would want Botman or Gordon
@@listey keep on dreaming
I'm staggered you don't seem to fully understand how imperative Bruno is to the whole club never mind the team. His talent, importance, personality, availability is irreplaceable
Really interesting debate and video. A couple of thoughts 1) who has the finances for a Bruno buy? Man City, Real, Psg? 2) since supporting the Toon since 1979 I cant recall a time when selling the best players ever helped eg Gazza, Beardsley, Woodgate, Cole, Cabaye etc etc
The top 6 could all afford him
man city paid £100 m for grealish its a drop in the ocean these days and gets you nothing. hes quality which is priceless in my opinion and should be kept otherwise its a backward step
we are a building club, until we have a settled squad he needs to stay for at least another 1 or 2 seasons needing to build around him, I get his age at 26 for me he hasn’t hit his best form with a full compliment of players around him, My vote is not sell.
If he is sold it will be a body blow for the fans
Selling Bruno for £100m to the likes of PSG makes some sense, selling him to the likes of Man City or Arsenal makes no sense at all. We`re trying to reach those clubs not help then become stronger, so its either PSG or nobody.
I’ve thought that Bruno would be gone at the end of this season since we signed tonali. Otherwise I couldn’t understand why would we sign another similar player. Was the plan to let Sandro have a season to bed in (big fail), then sell Bruno for a big profit to balance the books?
I thought that it was very suspicious that as soon as Bruno signed a new deal, the £100million release clause was immediately released to the press.
And now a new caveat, that the release clause is only valid until June 30th - which I believe is the end of the clubs financial year. So another release of information from the club. For me the relevance of the June deadline is that £100million, will balance the books, prevent any potential point deduction or fine for falling short on psr, plus the headroom that a big sale would give us for the transfer window.
I hope that I am wrong. I wouldn’t sell him for double the amount.
Sandro is Bruno’s replacement.
He’s absolutely worth the 100m, haven’t won a game without him. Having said that, in a PSR world someone will have to go eventually.
For me it's a definite KEEP !!
I want him to stay but if he has to go, he goes to Europe (PSG). I wouldn't want him to go to any other prem side
The timing and value are intriguing. I can see why the club and player would agree it - it prices A LOT of clubs out as FFP is calculated July > July so clubs are at the end of a financial year for FFP. If the fee is met it means a massive injection THIS YEAR, meaning we get to spend it well in July / August.
Get in there ! Bruno is f*****g magic. Make it £200million and I still wouldn’t sell!!!
Nope we should do everything we can to keep him, why sell a player worth 100 million isn't he the type of player we want at the club so what's the point in selling him just to use the money to try replace him 🤷♂️
Keep our system works around him being a hybrid modern 6 not a traditional water carrier 6 clatting into people. No way to replace him, if he goes ypu need to rip the team apart and I dont think 100m does it
If your getting a £100 million, you go again into the market and get a couple more player, while its not ideal to loss him it could help the team in long run.
By talking about the clause is like they are advertising, something like Bruno for 100 million, offer ends on 30th June. Maybe the.could offer Longstaff as a 2 for 1.
no matter what release clause bruno has he will have to want to and i dont think he will go and we dont have a player to replace bruno and cant afford 1 either
Keep
Chelsea spent 119 million for Caicedo and 109 million for their other midfielder, Fernandez?? Bruno is a much better player than both of them. I think 110 million would not be out of the question. With that money we could buy another centre back or two and another striker
{maybe Ferguson from Brighton} and a seasoned midfielder. Considering we have several young midfielders coming through.
P.S. I love Bruno!!! Supporter of 36 years.
Simple maths Craig - Szoboszlai and Diaby (both linked in summer) would have cost 100m - I'd take Bruno every day of the week over that pair.Bruno is exactly what you build dynastic winning teams around. You don't sell stuff like that if it's avoidable. And there are many ways to cope with PSR - selling your keystone asset isn't the right way.
We are trying to to make a team that competes for silverware.Selling your best players isnt going to help that casuse.
we will not get a better replacement graig you know that and we all no that !!!..so no .....in 2 years time yes when our squad is totally rotated but not now ..we will not move forward simples !!
I would prefer to see him stay but i wouldn't begrudge him moving to PSG or the La Liga big boys. The up side of that happening would be we can get quality into the squad quicker
No. But for different reasons. For me and I said this a long time ago, big Joe is far more important, and I think Tonali can fill any Bruno void.
However, in circa 15months FFP is dead, so we just hold tight and fill all the other spaces around Bruno and see where that takes us.
100 id sell. Sad to say but worth even more with ffp and tonali seems to like a similar space as we saw in preseason.
I still would not take even £200k for Bruno .he is ireplaceable
I'd buy him myself if he was actually available for £200k
We don’t have a choice if there’s an offer of 100m
Bruno is also twice the player than Rice and Caicedo as well - easily worth 100m+
Twice the player of rice come on man 😂😂😂
@@Jake97x three times the player of Rice then
£100 million will he help Newcastle improve the squad that desperately needs built. He is 26 he deserves champions League and trophies. FFP is designed to stop teams outside of the top 5 from winning anything and consistently competing for trophies. Newcastle and villa will never join the elite consistently