Why Allen Iverson Is One Of The Most Overrated Players in NBA History ©
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- Was Allen Iverson really one of the NBA's greatest players? Or was he merely a byproduct of style over substance?
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#AllenIverson #Overrated #Crossover - Sport
“I don’t wanna be Jordan, I don’t wanna be Magic, I dont wanna be Bird or Isiah, I don’t wanna be any of those guys… when my career’s over, I want to look in the mirror and say I did it my way.”
And won no Championships doing it his way
I thought he said he said wanted to be like Mike.
@@melvinslaughter7685 Hall of Fame and incredibly influential player regardless. We still using "rings" as end all be all?
@Angelo Robert Horry > Jordan and Kobe confirmed
@@Chandasouk influenced this new generation of ballhogs
This man woke up and chose violence
😆😆😆
@@mrspringfield He was joking but I agree with the sentiment.
🤣
hardcore mode
@@mrspringfield this truth is highly partial, as you think you understand a whole lot about basketball. You didn't seem to understand how lacky and partial this analysis is
“So you have chosen death”
-AI Stan
Lmaoooooo
This guy wants all the smoke
Facts
The truth Can hurt most that’s why their response won’t have any Validity too it or just emotional Outburst
@@Azariah-Israel he's right, but that doesn't change the fact he's getting all the smoke
@@amidgrid8662 Your right his comments will be flooded wit AI fans
I haven’t watched it yet and I already know 😭😭😂
Mans violated AI for 30 minutes
He told FACTS! People just get butt hurt with truth!
@@daddyfamlittle6262 he told the facts the bolstered his thesis but didn't mention those that negate it.
Hello
@@GhazarYaohBanLoay go ahead and try to negate it! I'm waiting! He along with T Mac are the most overrated in their era......period!!
@@daddyfamlittle6262 It all depends on people’s criteria for what a great player is. If you value stats so much of course Allen iverson would seem overrated, but if you consider other things you would see why he was so different compared to a lot of players.
@@joshjohnson3867 It's not just stats. He's explaining why AI was never a champion and why his style of play was not really effective (even though he was exciting to watch). All statistics are is a way to quantify that.
I saw this title and immediately said "uh oh these dislikes boutta be real" LMAO
I thought the exact same thing. But I've thought Iverson was overrated since day one. His game was flashy and he could be exciting to watch, but it's sort of like a a Michael Bey movie. All special effects and no substance.
@@Davivd2 hmm his dribbling skill was definetly valuable, its really hard to measure though.
Right what wtf your really Blake
They hated Jesus, because he spoke the truth.
Jesus got a chip tho
Lmao you stretching a bit bro 😂😂 wtf. They hate liars to
That truth isn't opinion. Big difference.
Shuttlesworth?
🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️😂😂
How can you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
Yet so true
I did it on twitter and got dragged for it
Because BE has big facts on his side
@@LpCruz11937 There’s a time and place for everything my dude, and Twitter is never the place for anything worthwhile.
It’s all about context, BSOLZ was able to prove that Russell Westbrook is the “worst shooter in NBA history” a while back
Don't even watch basketball like that . But I know this comment section is about to be ridiculous
Funny hearing “Curry for 3” in a game from 2001 lol
his dad dell curry..
Because you don't know basketball
@@userjlj I'm aware, but it seems to be more common to hear 20 years later
@@anthony2b173 Or Steph just shoots a shit ton of 3 and is an all time great while Dell was just a roll player so when you hear it you first think of Steph rather than Dell
@@Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie steph ain't shit right now with out klay they got blew out again
I've never seen a video so blasphemous and accurate at the same time
@Cadillac Kadafi reading is fundamental
Old heads don’t like facts and numbers
The numbers are Allen Iverson is better than kobe
I agree, people have him in their top 5-10 list off one mvp season. Just look at his numbers and eye test. Y’all overrate him way too much. Overrate doesn’t mean he sucks.
@Fries the dude is the only player in the top 30 under 6 feet, def one of the best to ever do it
He was a selfish playground playing ball hog, And yes that sucks
@@brodocbetty4856pure facts
by that logic, Mugsy Bogues is the GOAT.@@RobinXlone
the team he played in the finals with was the best built team, not the most talented, but was geniunely built around him being the first option, with the best fit
Yeah and when your team relies only on you to do all the scoring you will shoot more shots, and be less efficient
@@kamil3927 but not to a detrimental degree. Also they put up solid numbers not big three type numbers but very solid.
The same can be said with the cavs that LeBron took to the finals the first time.
A defensive team with sharp shooters around LeBron.
@@MikeBNumba6 but against one of if not the best Spurs team ever assembled?
@@cicjose6016 yea, I don't get your point
The fact that curry had a higher 2 point percentage in his 2016 mvp year than shaq did is insane
The dude was an amazing finisher back then. Its crazy how that part of his game was so underrated
@@bobthabuilda1525 he low key got worse at it that's why
a looooooot less volume, regardless he's still elite
@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t He’s in his 30s
That just adds on to his legacy. Steph’s 2016 was truly insane
So what you’re saying is he’s Russell Westbrook before Russell Westbrook lol
yup, that's how I always saw Iverson. They're both very exciting players, with relentless and amazing effort on the court but their inefficiency, ego and "risky" type of game made them very frustrating to watch sometimes.
They're also the type of players that are very difficult to coach and they hinder the development of other players in the team.
@Harry Engel yes. His stats are very overrated, as soon as he had a coach that stood up to him and had him not shoot the ball 30 times a game he won a chip, only to return to that style of play that didn’t win, and then as soon as he stopped shooting the ball so many times with the lakers he again won a chip.
@@gamehunter1537 Yo!!! Kobe was just saying this about Harden back when he was doing that shit that one year in Houston saying he wouldn't win that way.
@@geraldking6120 it’s funny that Kobe would say that. Holy lack of self awareness lol
@@gamehunter1537 no his stats are not overrated bc they did impact winning. But you are correct that when he had a coach that actually knew how to coach and didn’t just say give the ball to wilt, he won. It’s no surprise that he was such a great passer he just didn’t do it bc it wasn’t asked of him. Wilt was far superior in Player efficiency than Iverson or Russ. Don’t ever compare the Great to them dudes. Wilt was whooping young nba players in his 40s game over
"Curry for three... Bang! Dell Curry from downtown."
Cant argue with the facts. But I still love AI
@Fuggin Impeccable this video don’t change how I feel about AI I’m 28 so lived that era of basketball cutting holes in my moms stockings wearing them like a sleeve at basketball practice. That don’t mean you can downplay what the man said in his video. I respect his video while still saying Iverson not overrated IMO.
@Fuggin Impeccable my bad champ lol
It’s not all about numbers. Saying he was over rated makes me believe this guy wasn’t around to watch Iverson really play and understand what was happening.
@Fuggin Impeccable thank you. Comment of the year so far loool this video speaks facts but no context or nuance. that’s why AI is soo great.
@Fuggin Impeccable That’s wrong with people like you literally worship AI if you feel like anything he said was without contest or very biased prove that with stats and facts or stfu and keep it moving lmao
Why does a 30 minute video uploaded 10 minutes ago have 50% like-dislike ratio? Look at the whole thing first goddamit.
@Angelo
All fanboys are like that... not just AI : MJ, Wilt Chamberlain, etc. Everyone has fanboys.
If you are writing something they don't like [they're not perfect], they got mad.
AI fanboys just disliked right from the title.
I once had a person say AI was his GOAT, and I was perplexed at his statement. I can understand favorite but when I asked “so AI is hands down a better player overall then Jordan? LeBron? Magic? Etc...” and with a straight face he told me “YES..”
@Fransico Buttersworth
Nope. Always been like this. I was born in 1970 and it was like this when my grandfather grew up... People always get upset pretty easily... Today, with internet, it's just getting easier to express yourself anonymously.
When I grew up, Wilt Chamberlain fans reacted that way and in the 1990s, Jordan's fans reacted that way... History is repeating itself once again.
@@i_sharky well goat is just a subjective argument. Lebron is my goat but does it really matter?
You're about to get flamed by 28 year olds that call in sick to play 2K
Edit: So am I, apparently, lol.
Damn bro you didn't have to call me out like that
@@bobthabuilda1525
Hahaha
You came for me way too hard, that was uncalled for
Lol
Riley Black you’ve got to be one of those 28 year olds bc if you were significantly older then you’d be defending Iverson saying this video is cap (whack) because you would have actually watched Iverson play
I hate how Philly's 2001 Roster is always called so bad, Offensive Bias is insane.
U can say the same about 2007 cavs
@@michaeladams751 true but I think Lebron gets credit because of his age and the fact his team wasn’t the best team in the east.
@@applycontext9161 they was the number 2 seed behind the pistons by 3 games the pistons won 53 games the cavs won 50 so the cavs was right there with them record wise and as we seen the cavs won they was the best team in the east that year
@@michaeladams751 or D rose bulls. It is about roster construction, but still, it is impressive to carry those teams far into the playoffs. Look at russ lately for example...
@Harry Engel for its time yes, people think this team sucks cause they hold it to modern day/2k standards, not realizing the early 2000's was all about defense (in large part due to Shaq) and teams could still be terrific without many floor spacers on the roster
Always said he's exciting to watch but must be a nightmare to coach.
Boy there are gonna be some pissed off fanboys for this one
Im one of them
@@alleniverson7860 You'll be ok
you had to be there. Those tables don't mean anything.
@@lamartrade7415 Eye witness testimony is the most inaccurate evidence there is; numbers don't lie.
@@bobthabuilda1525 *numbers with context don't lie
My dad used to always say he was overrated. Still one of my all time favorite players
He's one of the most entertaining players as well, kinda similar to Westbrook in a way
@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 Na nothing like Westbrook! A.I played in the big man era while being under 6ft and never having anything remotely close to a KD as a teammate in his prime.
@@TurtlEfrmdaManor there are big man in the nba! Rudy Gobert, Jokic, Embiid, Steven Adams, rarely any athletic big man in this era besides shaq, stop it.
@@geraldking6120 You come off like a female playing on her boyfriends account with that stop it shit Joe! Knock it off and go do some basketball history Because you obviously wasn't watching basketball them to not understand the difference in how the game was played then vs now and the number of big men PF/C the game was played thru vs now.
Your pops knows basketball
Mistake at 14:38 Shaqs 51% free throw shooting is marked instead of AIs 73% xD. Enjoyed the video nonetheless
I was laid back on my chair and as soon i saw the free throw highlighted for Shaq i knew i had to take a closer look.
Props to you for watching the vid
@@kyprosellinwn
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reddit-tier basketball fans boutta hate this one
*twitter
Lol r/nba doesnt like basketball examined for some reason
@@agk9276 you're on reddit, wtf do you expect?
@@agk9276 they don’t like anyone who has hot takes
r/nba hates Iverson lol
Nobody talk about how he cost the gold medal at the olympics in 2004
It was a bad mix of several players honestly. That's why they made so many changes in the 08 Olympics
The coach should take most of the blame. It’s the coaches job to put winning line-ups on the floor
Are you even American born and raised? LOL
@@WallTrapMedia euh and then doesn’t mean he is wrong 😂
@@kurtis664 excuses excuses stop d riding
Oh the balls you have. Good luck in the comments section
This finna hurt a lot of people lol.
Lol it is!!
Its facts.
Not really. We watched the actual games...he's a stat junkie.
@@ChrisDodges123 facts dudes box score watch and think they know what they're talking about lol
@@user-wt8im2ro1p nah AI is simply overrated Dame is already better. Curry is easily better and Harden is already better.
The context of AI is fascinating. Super inefficient yet played on a team engineered to fit around him. All the rebounders and defensive specialists he played with mitigated AI's poor rate stats. But stylistically AI was unique and highly influential so in that sense his career is remembered differently than it would be if he wasn't so fly. AI is the biggest paradox the NBA has ever seen. His effort and will during games was unparalleled outside of a few guys like MJ and Bird. But that didn't carry over to AI's off court habits.
AI was also insanely durable and led the league in minutes for 7 seasons. But he hurt his team by playing so much that it cratered his efficiency. And then he broke down and was done basically overnight. For a guy who was probably 5'10'' in bare feet, his lack of serious injuries is unprecedented. So he didn't lose his skill because he blew out a knee or something. He just lost a half a step and that took away his ability to beat defenders off the dribble and he had no plan B.
He never got better or added to his skill set. Yeah, the whole practice deal is a meme, but if AI had brought the same intensity to the off season he would've shot over 80% FTs and wouldn't have been such a trash long range shooter. Can you imagine how lethal The Answer would've been if he shot 40% from 3? It would've made his drives so much harder to defend. He had the perfect build for a perimeter scorer but his shot selection was like an interior scorer. His defensive tools were unreal and he was a steals machine but his gambling in passing lanes was a big negative. Great one on one defender, terrible team defender. Total paradox.
The practice thing is why he's overrated in my eyes. I just can't rock with a guy who won't even practice with his team. Career loser.
@@manz7860 his friend died dude
@@manz7860 you don’t even know the context of the conversation yet you hold that against him
@@manz7860 Bro just stop you sound dumb
@@manz7860
You’re so cruel & you lack compassion
You didn’t know what he went through
His team lost to Boston in a best of seven game playoff series
And his best friend was shot dead
They ain't gonna like this one but you're speaking fax, that dudes cult of personality is insane. They'll be coming for you for sure
Or the fact that no one who says AI is great is doing based on him being efficient.
@@sparkyfister True, it’s A.I’s cornrows that make him the greatest player of all time.
Don’t send a fax speak the facts
@@yurhomi4478 I would think that it would be his handles or toughness, but cornrolls make a lot of sense. I'm playing, you stupid.
@@sparkyfister Dude you so emotional that you can’t see through what he actually wanted to say . Basically Allen Iverson Thug life mentality , crossover, cornrolls which represents his cult of personality made him bigger than he actually was. Nobody say that he was average but still overrated
Lakers didn't sweep the Magic, they took it in 5 close games.
That's correct
@@thebigvallee4974 maybe what he mean to say is a "gentleman's" sweep
Was Iverson the Westbrook of his era? 🤔
hell nah. No matter how this guy try to explain things to you, he is wrong. AI was a killer. 5-11 and the fastest guy on the court.
@@lamartrade7415 And played amongst giants with no real help
@@lamartrade7415 true. Super talented like Westbrook, but neither sacrificed anything to win. Both super stubborn as well lol
No Westbrook played the majority of his career with KD give AI a player of that magnitude in his prime and his efficiency goes way up because he doesn’t have to take all those contested shots
he sure was
The section that compares A.I. and Billups is similar to comparing Kemba and Lowry. Ones a fan favorite, highlight real fun to watch, the other is a consistent winner who every thinks is mediocre cuz they don't fill the stat sheet.
Kemba can win but Charlotte didn’t help lol. Him with the Celtics will be his test and in the first year he did well. I agree with u on Lowry tho. I feel like that case also plagued stockton since he got stats and made playoffs but wasn’t flashy or put up 30 points a game
@@bullshark3771 idk if Kemba can prove anything on Boston. Hes already the 3rd option. I definitely think they need him n they can win the east with kemba but that team is clearly tatum n brown and was ever since the bubble last year. I'm not hating on Kemba (or A.I.) I'm a fan of both just saying they can't lead a team to wins like a Lowry or Billups. Even with this current depleted raptors roster I bet lowry can get them as high as a 6th seed even thought they should be in the lotto. The guys just a winner.
@@bullshark3771 2 months later and this comment didn't age well.
Facts because Iverson just like Kemba was a Regular Season Choker for over 50% of his Career while Billups and Lowry both elevated their team's to the Playoffs when help was bought to them where as Iverson had Korver and Igludala and Kemba has had Dwight Howard, Tony Parker and Al Jefferson, Julius Randle and R.J Barrett and they still folded if Harden had all of those guys then he would've gotten those 76ers, Knicks and Hornets teams to the Playoffs every single year and would've averaged 30 or more in every single one of those Season's considering he would've been the only scoring threat on those teams he would've turned Steve Clifford into a Hall of Fame coach just with his Mentality, ego and willingness to do everything for his team to win.
I'm a casual AI fan but you pick and choose stats and generalized situations to make your point. It's not a good look.
@@matthewmullins4046 Sorry bro, nope. I think's it's cool that he did all of this research but any real hooper knows that those things great for fans to breakdown, but they are not what make a basketball player great. Maybe for spectator's but not hoopers. I played serious ball and when I watched AI, I put myself in the defender's place and I was thankful I never had to guard a guy that good. And I was a lockdown defender.
I know that I'm right because when you listen to guys who ACTUALLY PLAYED AGAINST HIM and not just analyzed his stats, you hear the same thing I was thinking. Kobe, Chancey BIllups, Shaq, Grant Hill, Paul Pierce, and a ton of other dudes know. He was too quick, too good of a scorer, way too athletic, too good of a ball handler, too fast in the open court, played the passing lanes too well, too mentally tough and played too hard. When you play against a guy like that, as a defender, it hurts your offense and can hurt your mindset.
People who've never played serious or high level ball don't really know that. It's like how people call John Stockton overrated but if you ask Gary Payton, he was to toughest challenge. The stuff you can't measure makes a huge difference.
I've had conversation about this with a few NBA players (not about AI) and they've said the same thing. Basketball is a game of inches and there is a lot that you don't see or realize unless you are playing.
@@goodfellabeats that sounds all good on paper but once a "great" player goes 2-20 from the field nothing else matters!
o v e r r a t e d
@@goodfellabeats yeah, I think this video is wrong, if anything iverson was underated, people just look at rings without mentioning that iverson never had any great teammates and all these other great players that won championships had at least one other great teammate, iverson had nothing but below average role players as teammates
You’re a fanboy of Iverson. Any real basketball player that knows basketball will tell you that he was great but never a championship level player. “Hoopers” love him sure bc to hoopers it’s all about them. All about the shine and the fancy moves and selfish attitude. But real basketball players know that style of play isn’t conducive to winning titles or winning big in the playoffs. He wasn’t a team player.
This is why people hate analytic nerds
Except he's right. Iverson is overrated
12:10 “Curry for 3... Bang!” Some things never change
Going to watch this now. You aint scared for your life clearly. Guys will come through your window for this 😂😂😂. I have been saying Iverson is OVERRATED for years. He is a selfish star player. It is what it is.
He was the westbrook of the 2000s.
I remember seeing this dude brick A LOT lol. Never thought he was as great as his fanboys thought he was
@Royal House of Judah maybe i got it wrong, but that Sixers had mvp, defensive player of the year, Sixth man of the year AND coach of the year. Is that a shitty roaster?
@@fabriciopucheta8109 Clearly this judah person is a classic casual or maybe less than casual biased nba fan who's too lazy to watch the video he's commenting on. Now maybe I got it wrong but didn't Basketball Examined go over the very same FACTS you just told this guy? 🤔 Casual or less than casual NBA fans I swear 🤣
@@fabriciopucheta8109 It’s not a shitty roster but that sixers team that the front office built for Iverson wasn’t supposed too last for awhile. Yes his team were great supporting cast but there were other factors like his his teammates being way too young with not enough experience or were beyond there prime like Mutombo also this was the time centers still dominated yes he had talent on his teams like Kyle Korver, Andre Iguodala, jr smith, and Melo but this was late in his career sadly didn’t stay with any of those teams with them players. Yes he was inefficient but he was a great all-round players also he influenced the current modern pg and sg in the NBA. Many players like James harden and LBJ are very inefficient it got to the point where Collin sexton which has potential has a efficiency then Harden. In the history of the NBA no other NBA player maybe other then Hakeem Olajuwon has carried a team to the finals and won with no all stars and with above a 45 percent field goal. Even though Hakeem in my list is a top 3 center of all time his teammates were either in the primes or has some sort of experience. Most players y’all have as a legend has either the same problem or concept as AI but each of these legends have big influence and change how players play and maximize their potential.
@@fabriciopucheta8109 lmfao that's all u clowns jump to, achievements, like LBJ fans. Bring up the percentages he was shooting, show the games he actually played. Show them shitty ass shots he took.
@@suedecris2450 except inefficiency doesn't win you championships when you the main guy.
When the 2nd best person on yo team is eric snow you gotta shoot hella shots to win the game
@MikaShiota thats what make most of these "overrated" videos such a chore to watch. They look at a few highlights, plow through basketball reference, compare numbers and make a video, not taking into account matchups, rosters, game to game situations as well as coaching decisions.
All of us small guards were trying to cross over everyone like him lol
His job is to make fun of game changers that did it their way
Like lol time scorers that made the game great one on one and made the game popular longterm and more excitement than college ball ever could be
This guy has no idea wtf he is talking about
@playablue did you even watch the video ? I’m a big AI fan but when he’s showing statistical facts it’s not much of an argument
Kyrie got the best handles but Kevin Durant is the second best with the crossover after Iverson. KD’s handles & crossover is so smooth & an underrated part of his game. I haven’t seen KD do a single crossover with the Nets, I think he’s not quick enough to do that anymore cause of the Achilles. Look at these highlights of KD catching bodies left to right: m.czcams.com/video/T7ZnnBsjE_4/video.html
KD’s handles with his size as a 7 footer with his shooting ability & athleticism is unfair. Plus he can shoot over you catching the ball at the elbow or midpost without even dribbling makes KD the best scorer of all time cause he can score anywhere on the floor wit instant separation or when his shot is contested, it doesn’t matter
Immediately clicked because I've been shouting he's overrated for years.
same
Always appreciate the effort and research put in. Thanks for the hard work
You call a 5’11 former mvp. Overrated. Im out . Lol
Dont let the door hit you on your way out,
Can we not use his height as an excuse shit is getting old.
@@blncss It isnt an excuse, unless you can find another 6 ft mvp
is he wrong ?
Allen Iverson
- NBA Most Valuable Player - 2001
- Four-time NBA scoring champion
- 11-time NBA All-Star
- Two-time NBA All-Star Game MVP
- 7-time All-NBA
- Three-time NBA steals leader
- Seven-time NBA minutes leader
- NBA Rookie of the Year - 1997
- NBA All-Rookie First Team - 1997
- NBA Rookie Challenge MVP - 1997
- Number 3 retired by the Philadelphia 76ers
- First Ballot Hall-of-Famer
And only been to 1 ECF his whole career.
@@judahmourneth1466 And Steve Nash was very efficient and only made it to the wcf once. That was a terrible point.
@@NostraSamus nobody is praising Nash like praised iverson. Individually, iverson a great talent. But he’s overrated too much
@@NostraSamus tbf, Nash played in a much tougher Western conference. Arguably the toughest conference in NBA history. A.I. played in the weakest conference ever.
You don't get called "The answer" for no reason. This guy was really - inefficiently - good.
What was he the answer to? The answer of how to shoot bricks and lose in the playoffs?
good with the basketball? yes. good basketball player? no.
Allen Iverson to my generation is what Russell Westbrick is to the next generation
Nope🤷🏾♂️ Russ didn’t face Kobe and Shaq , Rus wasn’t 6’0” even, Russ wasn’t undersized for his position, they played way differently and Iverson never played with a KD💯 they are not equivalent at all Iverson Had a much bigger impact 📠
@@karithema9ician657 you sound ignorant. Iverson played with a GOOD team, they weren't great but was very good! He also played with Carmelo Anthony! 🤷🏽♂️ He is indeed OVERRATED just like T Mac! 🤨
@@karithema9ician657 k thanks bye
Iverson isn’t close to being overrated and Russ has played with extreme talent. Iverson took a team filled with role players to the finals and won a game against one of the best teams in history. Something no one did that year in the offs
Yeah compare his efficiency to guys who are 6”8 lmao that was smart.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I love how crossover is one of the hashtags lol
Miss this channel 😢
Finally someone made it...The swag, and the style, and tatoos, and the attitude doesn't make you that of a player (and i loved Iverson when i was a kid).
I don’t think anyone in their right mind is arguing that those things are what made AI a great player. In fact, it was because he was such a great player is the reason why he felt entitled to express himself in such an “I don’t give a fuck” fashion. Like Dennis Rodman in the 90’s, nobody could do what he did on the court so he did what wanted off the court.
@@pzooka exactly
@@pzooka Mind doesn't work that way. If you see Iverson you instantly think ''oh what a great player he was back those days''....That's what i am saying.
You dont what your talking about
@@pzooka nice attempt
iverson just a more likeable shorter melo
Don't compare him to Melo. Melo made every team where he was the no.1 or 2 option, worse
@@eazy8544 well, Iverson DID have the troll nickname "Da Cancer" as in he eventually made teams worse
@@eazy8544 So exactly like Melo
I’d say Russell Westbrook but thuggish
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodvue no
You have the most thorough and well thought out basketball analysis on CZcams.
Comparing players purely by stats as if in a vacuum is unrealistic. You miss out how these guys are taller and bigger and the 76ers whole offensive philosophy was built off of iversons volume shooting
Yeah they were only focusing on numbers but facts are more than just a numbers
AI was also egocentric, something he later admitted years after he retired and the smoke cleared
The guy who thought himself above practice had an ego? Hmm
He definitely wasn't anywhere near efficient back then.... he'd routinely score 30 while shooting 35 or 40 per cent
Nobody was for real and him being under 6ft in the league when it was still a big man's league was a result of that I guarantee his fg% would be higher I'm today's game
You gotta remember he is like 6’0, probably less, so obviously a lot of he’s shots will miss because he can barely see the basket because he’s defenders are half a foot taller
True however he didn't evolve either. Could have been even better
He shoulda worked more on the perimeter shooting then but his skills weren’t great from range. Also he got lots of open shots in mid range but bricked them.
@@bullshark3771 I’m curious as to how you think Allen Iverson got open shots?
@@joshjohnson3867 mainly off the dribble shots after getting by a defender or spending 15 seconds trying to break ankles.
@@bullshark3771 Yeah I’m a bit confused by your comment. Firstly open shots seem pretty subjective considering he was about 6 feet tall. You just said the majority of his jumpshots were off the dribble, meaning even if he got by a defender, I doubt it would be as open as you think. You also say he just tries “to break people’s ankles” im assuming you mean he wants to get past his defender which is pretty much what you’re supposed to do if you have the ball in your hands and you’re trying to score. So your argument seems to be a bit misled.
This is a debate your not gonna win ai is one of the most respected ppl in basketball history
That's the problem with politics. Folk like Stephen A Smith who got clout in the media will big up AI whenever they get the chance. And they will silence any opposition.
Then you have LeBron, Kyrie and KD who have their own plants within the media. Brian Windhorst wont cross LeBron like Jay Williams wont cross KD.
@@LanceVance81 but ai changed the league they made movies about hes an icon
@@letstalk140 Players like AI almost ruined the league with hero ball.
@@Pecan3.14hero ball gets the NBA more revenue nowadays perfect example
russ 2016-2017 .
Melo 2015-2016 .
Kobe
Fans don't wanna see a system like san santonio anymore its all about the solos
But i get it business is a buisnees and i aint complaining.
@@letstalk140 The best thing for the NBA is for great players to play in great systems. Kobe couldn't win playing outside of Jackson's system. Jordan couldn't win outside of a system. A great system makes great players even better. San Antonio succeeded a lot because they played during the hero ball era. It was actually Dallas in 2011 that got back to free moving offenses of the 80s. Golden State put multiple great players in that kind of system and it was great to watch, but they didn't have real competition. The best thing for the NBA would be to have two teams with great players and great systems. That's what it was in the 80s with Lakers and Celtics, and we really haven't had that since. Jordan was able to bring the NBA to another level, because he was the best player in a great system.
He was under 6' so it makes sense that he wasnt as efficient as the taller kobe and tmac
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@@VicDamoneJr82 is he wrong
Right these dudes with these nerd stats are crazy
but at the same time chris paul is much more efficient than tmac and kobe so i dont think we can blame height for it
@@edp-gb6yz Chris paul isnt what ai is.....chris paul works in a system ai usually was the system dont let this video fool you ai teammates were not that good
Iverson had to be all the 76ers offense, they needed him to score and because every defense focused on him , he was “inefficient “ . Allen did what he had to do in order to win .
Did you watch the video?
Weak apology. Literally entire teams focused on Bryant, McGrady, James, Jordan etc and they were all far more efficient than Iverson. Iverson was an inneficient chucker, get over it.
What did his team win ???
I detest his fans. The vast majority of em all cling onto this false belief that AI is somehow a top 3-4 SG of all time, but that couldn’t be more far from the truth. As a matter of fact, many of them hate harden and even wade purely because they’re better basketball players
I guess it’s people who think toughness means a lot and thinks AI had a lot of it?
Dang, that 03-04 team was on a 50 game pace without AI. I remember that team, too.
50 games doesn't guarantee sucesss in the postseason 🤣🤣
@@waltchamberlain5165 no, but it's telling that they had a better record without him. That shows he wasn't able integrate into the team. They needed to trade him.
Yeah me to
@@theprofessorjg maybe he would have Integrated if he showed up to practice
@@cube_2593 Highly doubt that
He shot 46% in Philly when he had Stackhouse and shot 46% in Denver with Melo, his low efficiency is due to being on a bad team, like Kobe a great 3pt shooter but his % doesn't reflect it because he took a lot at the end of the shot clock, same with AI after he pass it to everyone they give it back he got 5 seconds to shoot and only 6ft
Kobe fg and 3 percentage would easily be 3-5 percent higher if he didn’t take so many difficult shots but to be honest fuck those percents Kobe hit some of the most remarkable shots ever that will live in my memory FOREVER
@@minfamous5841 these guys played in a zone era with 4 big men inside the 3pt line all game. People talk %s in a era with no spacing. 47% then would be 50% today
Totally get what your saying but what about his free throw shooting that has nothing to do with teammates, era , or his size
@user-ho4yo1gw8x 78% for his career a decent amount of seasons shooting in the 80's if he was shooting 73% you'd have a point
@@minfamous5841Kobe also had poor shot selection. That’s what differentiated him from Jordan. Jordan created easier shots for himself, and Kobe would often settle for ridiculous shots.
I can’t even be mad at this video. Basketball Examined spoke facts as usual. I’m 25 and as a fan it’s educational to know your basketball idol flaws and shortcomings and I’m willing to accept them. But nonetheless good shit to basketball examined and good shit to A.I the Answer. 💯
I respect that bro no ones perfect
Of course but the issue is that we've become a society that do way more criticizing than appreciating. With all his flaws, Allen Iverson was still a great player. It comes down to people who don't like his style, use arguments to support why and the end of the day, Allen Iverson is still going down in NBA history as a great player.
@@curtiswilliams8285 mad true the main reason AI is an idol it wasn't always his bball skills it was who he was as an person and didn't change when he got to the nba
@The Business Harper your right I'm mad about him say AI is overrated
@@Tunezsun what fuckin drugs do u use??? Umm he was definitely liked for his skills the other shit was secondary please stfu
The fanboys are already spamming the thumbs down button like crazy lmaooo but it’s facts, still an all-time great player.
ehhh i'm not so sure he's even top 100 all time
I am a fan of ai, but keep thumbs up, ai might be overrated but ai is ai. He is unique and his physique and playstyle give hope to people with the same kind of physique condition (which is alot of people), the video just make it clear to not expecting GOAT from ai, just like him as it is.
@@Rodzilla97 Now that's crossing the line lol
@@Rodzilla97 lol chill
@@Rodzilla97 which 100 are better than him?
I will say this. Iverson was very inefficient and I always said that he was overrated but you still have to look at the fact that he was under 6 feet tall and if he wasn't getting foul calls he wasn't really scoring around the rim.
his numbers outside of assists and rebounds remind me of russ
In the NBA, height is a skill.
Now I could only imagine how efficient those other guys would be if they were barely 6 feet in a defensive era. Stop going by numbers & simply watch him play. You think coaches told their players let AI shoot because he’s Inefficient, no !! This guy was relentless on offense. He put so much pressure on defenses. That’s how you know he’s an elite scorer. Kobe himself said the league was lucky iverson wasn’t 6”6... Once again, barely 6 feet who can easily create his own shot & had defenses at his mercy. Go find me a scoring champ built like AI... Stats are facts, but have no context.
Naw AI would be different if 6'6 LET HIM BE 6'3 Unguardable.
@@joshuabryant8504 yeah man's was like 5'10 but they say 6 foot to give him some inches if he was 6'3 he would be even better
He would have been westbrook with a better jumpshot.
When they don’t really know basketball,the look up and go by numbers
@@mekhiah1987 such a dull way to look at the game.
I'm not suprised to see those stats but what made AI great was his heart and overall toughness. 🔥
Like Russel Westbrook right!!
@@charles9489 just like him, lol.
But toughness only goes this far. Tim Duncan was also tough but he was the opposite of Allen iverson when it came to Ego. AI was never able to set his ego aside.
@@cube_2593 He brought his team to the finals? What do you mean toughness only goes so far?
@@joshjohnson3867 their team defense carried them to the finals.
Alot of NBA players can score 25-30 a night if given then green light the shoot whenever every night. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll be efficient, effective, or insanely skilled. But I must say in the case of AI the lack of spacing and his height played a huge part for his inefficiency, but doesn't excuse the absurd volume shooting
I don’t think so because defenses will adapt soon and start defending them like a superstar, harder help defense and double teams. Putting their best defender on them. So they’d quickly become way more inefficient then AI was. Look at russel Westbrook in LA right now for example.
Steve nash.....
Nash was at least 5x better than AI.@@mohamedadan6678
This video reminded me of how good Mike Breen is. He sounds just as good in 2021 as he did in 2001!
The Lakers beat the Magic in 5. It wasn’t a sweep
Gentlemen sweep
Personally Iverson has never been in my top 10 of all time, or even top 20 for that matter. But he is definitely the best player 6ft or less.
Isiah Thomas was better!
Chris Paul is better
6 or under dudes. Isiah and CP3 are over 6.
iverson is in my top 40 of all time
Another masterpiece! Thank you for sharing this with us
Amazing work
I feel like he is underrated because everyone acts like he is not that good. Boy is the truth, he overcame so much and was the most dangerous at his size. Kobe didn’t even want to go head to head with him. Kobe said it. All I’m saying, stats won’t tell the tale of how lethal and how hard it was to stop him. He beat the 3 peat lakers at home in the finals by himself. Also, made the world have a better crosser over. He is underrated because of his shot percentage is all they look at and don’t respect his greatness. AI, the unsung goat we all pass over. He’s my guy with Kobe and bron. Anyone plays with those garbage 76er teams he was on and you would have to volume shoot to get you to the finals... no one else takes that team to the finals and beats Kobe and Shaq at home. AI is always slept on
If you really know basketball numbers don’t mean everything sometimes it the heart of the man and will power ..
Most of his problems is due to his unprofessional conduct. But the guy had talent for sure, imagine if he had 10% of Kobe's mentality.
His work ethic was always poor because he was so gifted. Used to eat hot dogs before games and then run for 40 minutes and shit. Definitely one of his biggest regrets.
Iverson the Westbrook of his era.
So at the beginning when you specify you'll be talking abt Iverson's prime years you say you'll include the 07-08 season when he was 32, but on the actual chart you show for comparisons you don't box/highlight the 07-08 season just up to the 06-07 season, which is correct?
From 1998-99 to 2007-08 (Last season in Denver). Thanks for noticing and pointing it out, don't know how I missed it.
Stats dont always tell the complete story. Ai was the smallest guy by far in that first comparison with love,pierce,tmac and ray. Had iverson been at least 6’4 his percentages would of been better....maybe not much better..but definitely better.
@Todd Lerfahndler 🤡
You should start doing videos on the most underrated players also
@Fries Chris Webber, Reggie Miller, Moses Malone
@Fries him too because he’s basically Chris Paul before Chris Paul. It’s a shame Detroit didn’t draft Carmelo because they would have 2 or 3 chips imo, Even though melo is overrated. He could’ve learn some important factors on the that Detroit pistons team. 🤔🤔🤔
@Fries out of the three Allen iverson is the best because he has more scoring championships and a regular MVP, and he bought the 76ers to the finals. The early 2000’s was the a good era for power forwards. The problem with that era was everybody was trying to play hero ball and mimic Michael Jordan. It hurt nba at the time because there was less team ball, and everybody wanted to be by themselves. Tracy mcgrady left his cousin Vince carter. Allen iverson got jerry stackhouse out of the 76ers because he didn’t want to share the spotlight. Kobe Bryant basically got rid everybody on that early 2000’s laker team because he wanted to feel like Michael Jordan in 1988. Later on he found out that’s not what he wanted. Stephon marberry left the Timberwolves because he wanted more money. So the early 2000’s set the nba back as far as team ball. If you think about it, the blame is Michael Jordan.
Love AI, and I love your video. Thanks for always being respectful and truthful. Really admire your work and you’re amazing at making videos!!!
He was a product of his time, the main concern with building around him is size that's always going to be a concern even in today's super small guy friendly NBA but his physical peak happened in a very tough era for his ilk to dominate in
his size isnt a concern because hes actually a good defender.
@@RobinXlonenot really. He played the passing lanes very well, but he wasn’t that good of a defensive player.
It's hard for little men to be as efficient as players 6'6" and above
Thank you. Even if he was 2 inches taller, it would’ve made a difference
@@Diego803MontanaClass you really think 2 inches would have helped him. It's clearly his (A.I) mindset not his skillset was his issue, For example Russel Westbrook, nuff said!!!
They had no other offensive players. Nobody else averaged over 11 points per game. 11. Even LeBron had players that averaged 15.
Maybe they coulda if he passed the ball he like that one dude that doesn’t pass the joint till he takes 5 deep hits and half of it is gone
@@bullshark3771 Dude they can't hit those shots when he create shots for them, and they can't even create shots for themselves, he have to take a lot of shots that's the only way his team can win, don't even try to tell me u watch him play on his prime if you don't know all these, is just a pure hate from you.
I miss this era. Kobe, Vince, T-MAC,AI etc. averaged 25+ ppg given there were hand checking, slow basketball, no foul calls. Amazing players. If they were playing today...30+ PPG each
Tmac and Ai probably wouldn’t. They were so inefficient that analytics would kill there games. They were inefficient shot chuckers. No team in their right mind would build around them in todays game
@@Noles4life77 agreed. As a community, we need to collectively stop overrating these aesthetically appealing basketball players. It’s time we look at their games from an objective standpoint as opposed to looking at their games through a falsified and distorted lens
I liked this video, thanks for making it. I'm gonna share it every time someone tries to tell me he's a really good player.
He did all of this at 6'0. That's the legend of AI. How do you lead a league of giants at 6'0?
Ask IT or mugsy bogues
@@bullshark3771 Neither lead their team to the finals though. Or won the various scoring titles and NBA first team recognition that he had. Sorry, not the same thing.
He wasn’t even a legit 6 footer. He was probably more like 5’11’ at best.
What he was doing in what was definitely to hardest era to score was extremely impressive.
1996-2004 (basically the good majority of Iversons prime) was the deadball era.
By shooting over and over and over, bricking over 60 percent of your shots night in and night out
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 while being double team and triple team while you saying he was not efficient. Doesnt make sense lol why double team AI if he was bot efficient or a threat at offense
No one ever says Shaq is a better shooter than Kobe even though Shaq’s FG% has been better. Because we understand that taller players can score in the paint with much more efficiency. You might say that doesn’t matter because Iverson and Kobe were both perimeter players, but the difference in height between Shaq and Kobe is the same difference between Kobe and Iverson. So if it’s hard for a perimeter player to score against defenses that are the same size as them, and even harder to go into the paint, then how difficult should it be for a perimeter player to play against defenses larger than him in the perimeter and double his size in the paint? Being smaller doesn’t make you better, but it has to change the way we look at the numbers. It has to. I’m not docking points from Steph Curry’s FG% because it’s lower than Giannis’s. I understand why.
This is why FG% is bad and nobody reputable uses it anymore. Use TS%. Basketball Reference even has adjusted numbers, so you can see how good they were relative to the league that year. Using raw FG% would tell you Steph Curry has only been 4 percent more efficient than the rest of the league for his career.
And no, a players height should not change the way you look at how efficient they are. Basketball is biased toward tall people. You can say "gee, it's incredible a guy under six feet scored all those points," but you can't say "I should credit Iverson with more value than he actually provided because he was short." Mark Price was only listed at 6 feet, and he smokes Iverson in TS%, and is right there with Shaq and Giannis.
@@foarfield You’re trying to do mental gymnastics to justify your awful opinion. It is factually more difficult for a shorter player to score which makes it more impressive when a shorter player dominates, especially in the paint. Mark Price had completely different tendencies and lower volume than Iverson. The same way I value a shorter players ability to score in the paint is the same way I value a taller players ability to score from mid range and 3P. These are facts of life. Get over it.
ineficient is ineficient, heigth matters yes but thats the reason why you have to evolve, if you're small dont force yourself in the paint go shoot but the thing is Iverson wasn't an efficient shooter and also wasn't efficient in the paint either. Look at Curry he is 6'2 but is a batter shooter than any nba player at any height.
@@cryingpiglets183 You never watched pre-2010’s basketball. Settling for a jump shot was an adjustment made by weak little guys who were too scared to actually put in the work and “skill” required to score organically. Everybody has played 21 with that little kid who gives up, runs to the 3P and chucks up a shot. That isn’t an evolution of the game. I’m happy Curry can shoot but he was significantly limited in his abilities even in his prime, resulting in the acquisition of KD. He now has more strength as he’s dedicated himself to transforming his body, and attacks the paint at a higher frequency. Iverson was not inefficient from three compared to his counterparts. He was more efficient than T-Mac, J Kidd, and some guy they called “Mr. Big Shot”
Great video champ
Man said "thanks for watching" and kept going in on him lowkey lmfaoooo
This video just reconfirms ⭐️ S are made by the media and NBA. If they give you the green light and unlimited minutes = 30ppg.( IVERSON STILL HAD TO MAKE THOSE SHOTS THOUGH GREEN LIGHT OR NOT. MJ WAS MADE TO. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO BE AT TOP OF YOUR GAME.
The league and media as well as corporations (like Nike, Adidas etc) definitely prompt a player up to a certain plateau, however talent is a huge disparity in your theory. Also some of these players are groomed to become these leading figures in the league but I digress.
They're made in the playoffs where Iverson NEVER did anything special besides 2001
AI is one of the few NBA legends who don't constantly trash on the current generation to prop up their generation and self legacy.
Allen was the best while being the most inefficient
@@mrspringfield hell he was funny and fun to watch
I’ve always thought/said this. He’s great, “influenced the culture”, really good off-ball moment, fearless, & revolutionized the ball handle but he is arguably the most overrated star in context to how most folks rate him.
As a point guard or floor general the dude straight sucked fruit booty juice. This became clearly evident when he was traded to the Pistons, and fucked MY team up, a top 3 squad at the time. Notice the fan boys have no excuses for that you see.
@@jibronigibironi8959 Why would anyone expect a shooting guard to be a floor general? Especially an NBA organization?
@@jibronigibironi8959 what the fuck were the pistons about to do that year. Other than lose
@@The4ceMan Its not "losing" if you've been a damn top five seed for six seasons in a row, with a conference finals appearance each time. Fuck are you talking about "losing"? Anything more than a conference finals appearance is a run to the finals for a ring. ALL that went down the toilet instantly, and NOTHING was gained from it. All it did was make the Pistons insufferable to watch for the last ten damn years. And they are STILL just as depressing to watch now even after blowing the team up. Can't watch them half the time. But at least now there is SOME hope for the future with the fresh new talent.
@@jibronigibironi8959 they were gonna lose again. They weren’t about to win anything my guy,it’s okay.
Allen Iverson is who Kyrie's haters think he is
Nah
I love you Basketball Examined but this video has been done so many times already
When please when
Reminds me of Russ. Except AI didn't pad so hard.
No AI padded his points not assists or rebounds
Sorry to burst your bubble but every player stat pads
Abd russ isnt stat padding he actually goes up with the biggs to get his rebounds
Thanks for doing the video. I remember asking you do one on Allen Iverson. Is there any way you can do one on Pistol Pete?!
This man said Iverson wasn't a great scorer. They don't let you get that many shots all those years if you're not a great scorer. Small players typically have lower FG percentages because they are usually taking lower percentage shots
Steph is 6'3. No excuses.
@@Earl_TheSquirrel 1 guy who happen to be the best shooter lmao. And he’s surrounded by other guys who can score. Put Steph on a team where he’s the only guy who can score. Those percentages drop dramatically.
@@floydturner2957 Dame is efficient. Look at the numbers. Whack squads. No excuses.
@@Earl_TheSquirrel lmao. Dame has only shot over 45% from the field 3 seasons in his career….Same as A.I. Dame’s career high in Field Goal percentage- .463 . A.I. - .461. Now Dame is better from 3, but the fact remains. Smaller guards, more lower percentage shots, lower FG percentages.
Nobody was saying AI was a great shooter even while he was playing. I would agree with you labeling AI overrated if you can show me who’s overrating him?When he shook MJ out his shoes everyone still knew MJ was the best but it was a great moment. AI was great but not the most efficient player when he was playing most people acknowledged that. It’s not like people are now putting AI above or on the same level as Magic Johnson, MJ, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Isaiah and other guy’s on that tier of greatness. AI is usually mentioned when it comes to great ball handling. The great debate with AI was who had the best crossover him or Tim Hardaway?AI was never mentioned when people discussing who had the best jumper. Ultimately is AI a HOF player? Most definitely! So what is is overrated for? The stats you pointed out was never denied while AI was playing and it’s not like people are saying he can shoot better than Steph Curry or Clay Thompson. AI is considered by most to be one of the greatest undersized players with one of the greatest crossovers who played, fearless and one of the most entertaining athletes ever in the NBA. Notice I didn’t say most efficient or great shooter. Numbers don’t always tell the full story bro.
People call him better than harden and put him in the top 3 or 5 of SG players yet he doesn’t deserve it at all.
The professor is a great ball handler but isn’t in the NBA cuz his size and isn’t quite good enough. Tbh I find them to be very comparable in skill. AI was seen as a great dribbler and scorer primarily in the paint and on the pull up yet he doesn’t back it up with stats.
@@bullshark3771 AI lead a team without a great offensive player to a championship vs a team with tons of offensive firepower (Shaq and Kobe’s Lakers) Harden hasn’t come close to doing that yet. Harden has choked in the playoffs with waaaay better teammates than AI ever had. Harden is a much better offensive player I don’t think anyone would argue that but you could also say AI overachieved where Harden has underachieved. Technically that actually makes Harden ACTUALLY OVERRATED BECAUSE HE UNDERACHIEVING IN THE PLAYOFFS CONSISTENTLY.
My issue with this video and the opinion that is in it is it comes across as someone who just didn’t like AI and uses straw man arguments mixed with incomplete stats. For example if the video it points out players with higher shooting percentages than AI but it’s not a valid comparison because ALL OF THOSE GUYS WERE 6’6” or taller which makes a huge difference when you have someone contesting your jump shot. AI was undersized and on a team where he was the primary offensive player. A valid comparison would be comparing his numbers to players that was his height. Then another fact left out is what is his numbers vs HOF players his height. Taller guys usually have a much high FG percentage and take less jump shots than smaller guys and AI was never lauded as a great shooter so why are we comparing him to Reggie Miller?
Basically the premise of him being overrated is odd to me because I really haven’t heard people describing AI as something he is not. The video only confirms what we already knew and that’s AI took a lot of shots and wasn’t a great shooter but how can anyone overlook that he was probably the only six foot tall NBA player ever to carry his team the way he did. The only two great undersized players that come to mind is Isiah Thomas who had a much better team than AI, and Stockton who played with Malone. What other undersized guards did what he did? AI is a HOF player without a doubt! So how is he overrated? No one says he’s better than MJ or Lebron so this video comes across as just hating because the opinion is one that people that even love AI already acknowledged he wasn’t a efficient/great shooter even when he played.
Man's has chosen death with this
Gonna be a good video though for sure
Iverson was a 6ft guard scoring 30pts in arguably the most defensive era. Comparing him to kobe, tmac, and carter who could post up to get buckets and had 6-8inches on AI is apples and oranges...the next part you talk about his team in 2001 being great at defense - everyone knows this, its the offense and spacing he didnt have help
He did have help....Stackhouse. But he ran him off
"He's short" isn't a response to "he's overrated" since both can be true at the same time.
@@deifiedtitan this video literally compared AIs finals stats to Shaqs finals stats - how would a 6ft player shoot a higher percentage, have more rebounds and blocks than a 7ft player