ATTACK? COUNTERATTACK?! Myth-busting | Rise of Kingdoms
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Congratulations on Winning Aoo Grand finals
Wow I never noticed he was in OV!
@@noobatredstone3001 man he is legendary middle man of OV
@@aozoraddragon5298 ...guess I don’t watch aoo too much...
Your first video I have seen none of the more popular you tubers have broke battle tactics down like this I'm definitely subscribing
Love your in-depth analysis, keep it up.
Solid breakdown as usual. Congrats on winning OL too!
Wow love your video bro , love how you explain in detail.. keep up the great work bro
Honestly, a lot of this information went over my head until near the end of the video. Its a mechanic of the game I can say I haven't given thought to and it's potential consequences are interesting. Thanks Wick! Very cool
Congrats on winning the Invitational! and of course thanks for your depth discussion!
Nice done with your ARK !
congrats bro on win, it was amazing match
Congrats to you and your teamates on ark win your videos are awesome btw
Great in depth discussion regarding battle mechanics,keep up the good work. Congratz for OV win. I’m still waiting videos about all aspect in AOO though, want to learn from its grand master 🙏😍🥰😇
Nice work on AOO! :)
Good video 😎
Thanks you for the excellent video (Gracias desde latinoamerica)
Thanks bro
Congrats on the Ark what a brilliant game
Very helpful video. Do u have any equation to calculate skill damage? i don't know what 1700 skill damage factor mean :(
Congrats on winning AoO bro, love this kind of knowledge you give 👏🏻👍🏻
The last 5 minutes of Osiris final almost gave me a heart attack.
Congrats on winning Aoo I bet everything on OV right when the bets for the winner began! Right at the start!!!! You are the best!
Question how does counter attack trigger? Does it trigger when you are walking or it will always happened when you attack other unit
so does swarming harald now make him fire off his 4. skill more often?
Congrat for AOO Jon 😎😎
Hello can you mąkę video about best city defens for mid spender? I have Martel and i think what comander is the best to city defens to him. What legend i should do to Martel to defend atilla rally
Does the Cities Received counter attack when you are attacking them?
I appreciate you for covering this subject.
Then would you say, in your opinion Vengeance accessories 8% counter attack damage is a significant increase?
I am looking for an accessory to equip it on my zenobia. It looked most appealing second to the Horn for rage regeneration. But I do not have any proof to make up my mind.
I would really appreciate your input. 🙏
Horn is great, as second option I’d go with the Coin if you search for a full defense combination. Or maybe the Greatest Glory... 5% Normal Attack = 5% Attack and 5% counterattack. Maybe you are lucky and get the special talent. Cheers
Cyrus/Ramses includes all 4 categories!!
Theodora: Hold my beer
Just the TIP
Does this mean vengeance +8 counterattack is better than greatest glory +5 normal attack?
How about a video comparing the “Horn of Fury” vs “Concealed Dagger”
check his videos man, it already exist
To confirm, does increasing the attack (e.g. from +100% to +150%) increase the counterattack damage?
Great video, keep it up Wick!
Thanks mate! The attack buff works a bit differently because it involves everything that deals damage: attack, counterattack, skill damage, additional damage etc. :) this is not happening with the normal attack, which involves exclusively Attack and Counterattack
@@WickGaming so, in short.. Yes?
@@THUNGUNS yes
I still find this confusing. This would mean a normal attack applies also to being swarmed. By definition, though, a normal attack=attack + counterattack. I ran a test with Hermann, who has 10% normal att dmg boost. I quickly attacked 2 lvl 24 barbs. Checked the battle log and on the same turn, Hermann having identical health, and one barb having 85076 troops and the other having 85073, the counterattack did the same damage to both. This implies the normal att dmg bonus dealt also applied to the swarmer. Or perhaps I tricked the game into thinking I was attacking both by quickly switching targets 🤔 My theory is normal att dmg is simply a dmg bonus applied to the overall attack *even against swarmers* but a "normal attack" means "target" when we speak of triggering skills that depend on normal attacks.
Dear Lionel, the test should be conducted differently, because the counterattack damage depends also on the attack of the barbarians. I will try to clarify more this aspect
@@WickGaming but if they are same level barbarian, attack should be identical 🤔
@@smoovjazz8029 send me the report in game and I’ll take a look
If a turn is 1 second wont it be DPS/damage Per second ?
I thought to use DPT just because my terminology didn’t want to include the skill damage but just the Normal Attack Damage :)
Hello wick. I tested normal attack damage with joan and it seems normal attack damage increase 25% equals to increase D.P.T 12.5%. It only increase 12.5% attack damage and 12.5% counter attack damage.
So please if you see this message reply me I have saladin and khan and cao full im in Kvk2 What you reccomend me With Attack qeuipments or defance+health? and what talent tree is good for normal damage counter damage for saladin to use with khan or Maybe cao?
Good ark fight
Great video John. I don't have money to donate but I will help you with gold.
Legend!
We also have John Wich in our kd. In 2084 idk if that's your jumper acc 😁. Congrats anyway
nope, not me
Is attack equivalent to troop attack? Normal attack = troop atk + counteratk?
nope. normal attack is the damage dealt in one turn, attack+counterattack. and it is multiplicative, not additive. the troop buffs (like the tokens, or the effect of commanders) are additive and boost everything, but in a less consistent way
can we go in depth about how Normal Attack is the reason is AT is broken. AKA Normal Attack = Attack + counterattack and thus it double buffs the damage and damage reduction?
It double buffs only the counterattack part of the skill. And the debuff of the enemy is only about the attack, not the counterattack. Otherwise the description would be “reducing the enemy normal attack”. Cheers
Editing with Ipad but his content is better than 90% of RoK content creator KEKW
2:55 Edward skill “All or Nothing” counterattack damage by 100%？
Yes, it should be like that unless the wording has some mistakes. Little update: Lilith confirmed that everything I’ve said in this video is 100% correct. So normal attacks include counterattack as well, Attila’s 1st skill consequently boosts counterattack by 60% and secondary skills do not proc if you don’t actively attack. That’s why I suggested them to change the description to “directly attacking” or “troop attacks”, to avoid confusion with the Normal Attack concept. I hope they will take this advice
@@WickGaming Hi, I have tested it on Edward, and there is new tern appeared" total attack" replaced normal attack in the log; ''All or Nothing doesn't appear increase 100% counter attack damage.It's more like 75%, which 50% from counterattack increase, another 25% from''Total attack in crease 50%"="attack 25% increase+ counterattack 25% increase
@@tiffanyhs7563 i have already messaged Lilith trying to see if in the next update they can try to improve the commander descriptions
@@WickGaming thanks
Which shaolin temple you go to to train your fingers in getting ark? 😂
🤣
So it cant be that Joan description is indeed wrong like many others in the game. Like the description of Boudiccas 4th skill. Wrong description aren’t new to rok. Might as well be them forgetting to add the counter attack bonus in Joan’s 4th skill (or the attack tree skill that increases normal attack)
Nope, I’m pretty sure it’s right. Also the new equipment with 5% Normal Attack Damage (Greatest Glory), boosts both Attack & Counterattack...
@@WickGaming in your video on accessories you didnt recommend Greatest Glory but if the item is 100% 5% extra Normal Attack damage isnt this item then the best accessories of all of them as its 100% up time? Second question does Greatest Glory do 5% extra attack damage and 10% extra counter attack damage? Or because it says Normal attack damage does this then mean you only get 5% extra attack and 5% counter attack damage as Normal Attack = Attack+Counter Attack.
@@johnha009 the Greatest Glory is a great piece of equipment. It provides 5% attack and 5% counterattack, not 5 and 10. It would be recommended for specific combos. I should maybe make a video about equipment choices with commander examples
@@WickGaming thank you for you reply and yes please do that video. Im still considering Horn and Dagger as a rally leader. But maybe Greatest Glory is better.
@@WickGaming So for AT would you make ring of doom or greatest glory ?
But every commander skill description shows normal attack as a single part of attack. For example- takeda has a chance to gain 25% normal attack and 25% counter attack, separately listed in his skill. That means he gains normal attack damage( atk+ counter atk) and also counter attack again ?
Why doesn't the description simply say 25 % normal attack damage ?
Another example is Edwards expertise.
This is super confusing from Lilith
Lo sento l’accento italiano 😉
Ovvio :)
Did Lilith mistakenly do that with Attila 😭 and just kept it?
No, it is done on purpose of course. That’s why Attila is good in swarming situations.
You stole my coins 😔
This is just wrong. If the wording is consistent on the skills of the commanders for this, "normal attack" is not "attack". You are misleading people and probably causing confusion with the attack stat.
The counter-attack damage simply follows the increase of normal attack damage, but the opposite is not true.
The thought process of the devs was probably: - when we increase the normal attack damage, the troops will hit harder, thus counter attack harder.
- when we increase counter-attack damage, the troops have spiky armor, so they will return more damage received.
thanks for your comment. everything said in this video was confirmed by the CS of the game, including the part of the skill description of commanders. they also said they will try to improve the descriptions basing on my suggestions. normal attack will boost BOTH attack and counterattack and the counterattack will be boosted as well, not only as a reflection of the atk increase. the inconsistency of the skill description is another story. they wrote normal attacks in many cases, but it simply just works when DIRECTLY attacking. i hope my clarifications work for you
@@WickGaming Don't get me wrong and I'm sorry if I sounded rude.
Still, the descriptions of the skills, items, etc related to this look perfect to me and it's been fully understandable the way it's from a long time.
Maybe you are just trying to pass a way to understand the mechanics in a easier way, but it's only bringing more confusion in my view, as you are fighting agaisnt the good consistency in this topic coming from the game.
If you try to view it the way I wrote it on the first comment, you'll see it makes perfect sense.
everythingrok.com/defining-the-main-combat-variables/
Hoobsy from everythingrok wrote a whitepaper explaining in detail game mechanics more than a year ago. At the very least you should credit him and not present it as something new or your own.
Hi, I gave already credit to one of those articles for the damage formula (which is not 100% correct btw). As concern the other mechanics, many of the details I explain are not contemplated in that article and my testings were not based on that because the ground I was trying to test was never discussed. Good article anyway, thanks for posting it.