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  • Installing a wireless carplay / android auto stereo system to my 2010 ford fiesta
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Komentáře • 389

  • @Xhizors24
    @Xhizors24 Před rokem +256

    Looks like a personal ATM in dashboard🙈

  • @lilvfr400boy
    @lilvfr400boy Před rokem +127

    Wtaf looks absolutely monstrous

    • @jeejabuaja
      @jeejabuaja Před měsícem +3

      doesn’t even look bad get a grip

  • @stephenprice7502
    @stephenprice7502 Před rokem +186

    Added functionality is nice, but not a fan of the huge housing around it. I would have preferred more of a "tablet" appearance with a flat blanking plate over the dash behind it.

    • @TheFurrry
      @TheFurrry Před rokem +11

      Was thinking the same thing, a more slimed down design would look great

    • @DG_427
      @DG_427 Před 5 měsíci

      Looks really out of place.

  • @redbeardpro777
    @redbeardpro777 Před rokem +27

    "But I've not got a camera plugged in, I might plug one in one day, but to be honest I hate this car so I probably wont" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

  • @user-pm9bm5zx9e
    @user-pm9bm5zx9e Před 10 měsíci +583

    Amazing! it went from incredibly ugly to absolutely horrendous!😍

    • @daviddavidsonn3578
      @daviddavidsonn3578 Před 10 měsíci +18

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @medvidekmisa
      @medvidekmisa Před 10 měsíci +20

      yeah but as a bonus you can now have an accident watching youtube videos - priceless ^^

    • @LikaPyramid
      @LikaPyramid Před 8 měsíci +3

      Yeah its awfull…

    • @Bazookatone1
      @Bazookatone1 Před 6 měsíci +7

      Neither of them is ugly and the new unit looks very smart.

    • @MrMusicopath
      @MrMusicopath Před 4 měsíci

      the original fiesta console is super nice, sftu

  • @BURP39R
    @BURP39R Před rokem +52

    I can't see it? Is it behind the 1/3 scale pinball machine that's been bolted to the dashboard?

  • @AkouriAmmar
    @AkouriAmmar Před 10 měsíci +58

    The original fiesta dashboard is beautiful. It’s very authentic

  • @vpnconsult
    @vpnconsult Před rokem +56

    It looks a bit cheap and flimsy.
    Not bright enough screen. And looks laggy and buggy. But thank you for making this tutorial. It's very informative.

    • @funkblack
      @funkblack Před rokem +4

      from my experience will get worse. my android unit lost it's max brightness and fast response.

    • @IgorkubMASTER
      @IgorkubMASTER Před 11 měsíci

      @@funkblack what specs do you have?

    • @sgtm7
      @sgtm7 Před 11 měsíci

      Screen brightness is adjustable. Mine was set at default to half way.

  • @alisonb4898
    @alisonb4898 Před rokem +35

    Even getting the wires out of the bag filled me with anxiety 😂

  • @2JZ_WISCO
    @2JZ_WISCO Před rokem +14

    looks way more updated.....also cant wait to see you fit that new spoiler on the mr2 😁

  • @Scotts23
    @Scotts23 Před 10 měsíci +38

    I'm really impressed with that and I think it looks pretty god damn decent good job well done sir 👍🏻

  • @trebor1973j
    @trebor1973j Před rokem +21

    Sit in the passenger seat doing head unit installs much more comfortable no steering wheel wheel in the way great video

  • @JC-eu3ry
    @JC-eu3ry Před rokem +17

    Thanks so much for this! Been wanting to update mine but scared I won't be able to setup properly. Now all I have to do is watch your video while I setup my car. All the best!

    • @vladimirrosu4932
      @vladimirrosu4932 Před 10 měsíci +2

      There is however something to keep in mind, which is the build quality of those units, and therefore reliability. I installed one on my focus, quite nice experience, but, exactly one month after warranty expired the unit just died. AliExpress seller did not respond to any message... So just be careful what you buy and from where

  • @KLune92
    @KLune92 Před rokem +5

    I hate my fiesta too but I love it because it's mine and paid off and no one expect assholes who wreck it can take it from me cause I'm gonna drive it till the wheels fall off

  • @shazboz
    @shazboz Před rokem +2

    Your MR2 looks sick! Thought it was a Porsche from a distance!

  • @quickshottv2274
    @quickshottv2274 Před rokem +7

    Thought about doing this but decided to buy a tablet and car mount instead

  • @sonosito
    @sonosito Před rokem +7

    When I realized that there was no product with a good design, but only things that made my central part of the dashboard look like a TV with a CRT screen I left it alone, there are only things that make everything very square and protruding and really clash with the design of the interior and the car in general.
    Surely this thing makes the car more modern but certainly not more beautiful.

    • @tiadaid
      @tiadaid Před rokem +1

      There are other Android player unit that’s smaller and fits into just the screen area so you don’t have a huge slab in the middle of the car.

    • @SpyderLEE
      @SpyderLEE  Před rokem +2

      They have released a new model of this with a curved screen that looks much better.

    • @tomduggan5929
      @tomduggan5929 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@SpyderLEE can u send a link of the newer version. Thanks

    • @Dan4096
      @Dan4096 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@SpyderLEEwould you have the link for that please?

    • @jimz9343
      @jimz9343 Před 8 měsíci

      Do you have a link to that kind of device? i seem to be able to find only this one but i find it a bit bulky / cheap looking. @@SpyderLEE

  • @RaamiKala
    @RaamiKala Před rokem +15

    Could do with angling the screen to face more towards the driver

  • @mgbosshogg
    @mgbosshogg Před 2 měsíci

    Fantastic video mate , very thorough. Unit looks a bit janky mind. They do more discreet ones now, keeping the gazillion oem buttons.
    Just about to order something to update my daughters car.
    Thanks again.

  • @Zodliness
    @Zodliness Před rokem +48

    It's not as easy dropping in an aftermarket dual din head unit into my Mk7 Fiesta, the biggest problem I faced was obtaining the right facia plates and interface module for the steering wheel controls, And to keeping the original vehicle settings menu functionality, in order to still access the interior accent lighting menu and mirror fold controls. I thought about installing one of these cheaper vertically orientated android units, but ended up settling for a premium DAB HDMI Sony unit. Thanks for sharing.

    • @kaelan5961
      @kaelan5961 Před rokem +3

      Did you manage to find a nice fitting on in the end and are you able to share which one?

    • @VeerMaharaj
      @VeerMaharaj Před 11 měsíci +2

      You made the right choice imho.

    • @EsotericArctos
      @EsotericArctos Před 10 měsíci +1

      I think the Seicane one comes with all the correct facia fittings in the box

    • @scuzzoo
      @scuzzoo Před 5 měsíci +1

      I went with this route aswell but I lost the functionality to use the top screen and my parking sensors rarely work. The kit I got was supposed to let me hold the centre button down to access the top screen but I can only use the steering wheel button to control music on the sony unit. Did you have any of these problems?

    • @Zodliness
      @Zodliness Před 5 měsíci

      @@scuzzoo The only intermittent issue I get with the after-market interface is occasionally the steering wheel buttons would ignore the head units custom button assignments, and the volume would increase on both up and down wheel buttons. I discovered a quick thump on the buttons got them working every time and so left it at that. Regarding the top screen menu and it's functions, mine still works, if I hold the centre menu button for three seconds, the upper clock's menu and features can still be adjusted via the steering wheel buttons. This may differ on your BUS module variant.

  • @EsotericArctos
    @EsotericArctos Před 10 měsíci +7

    These android head units are great, but you do have to remember a little security with them. One thing, if your car is ever stolen, whatever Google account is setup on them is fully exposed as there are no locks. So have a think about security and stuff like that with them. I would make sure to use a different Google account to your main one as if someone gets access, they would have your gmail, contacts and everything on yout Google account. Other than that, they are great little units and a great upgrade. Have to admit, this one is not the prettiest install. It is relatively ugly.
    If you are using Carplay or Android auto and none of the options in the unit, I'd suggest looking at an add on screen that only does carplay, as these are usually a lot cheaper than a full android head unit.

  • @tribalraid8069
    @tribalraid8069 Před 11 měsíci +3

    It looked better how it was before!

  • @montisino
    @montisino Před rokem +2

    Looks great i have one of those vertical headunit for my honda crv mine brand is teyes tpro 2

  • @cosmos0ne783
    @cosmos0ne783 Před 5 měsíci

    This was the reason why I refused to buy a Fiesta. The board was very ugly. Now it's a different car, you did the best job. I can't believe how good it looks and how many functions it has!!!

  • @MrBlindbird
    @MrBlindbird Před rokem +6

    Fantastic idea of installing a 1940 jukebox in a 2022 jukebox 😀 is this jukeboxseption?

  • @DjNikGnashers
    @DjNikGnashers Před rokem +16

    The only issue with this, is : most Fiesta drivers sit with their seat in the lowest position, and the seat squab angled back at a 45 degree angle (I'm a race car driver style).
    They won't be able to see out of the windscreen with that thing in the way.
    On second thoughts, most of them don't look anyway, carry on .....

    • @sgtm7
      @sgtm7 Před 11 měsíci

      I only know two Fiesta drivers personally, and they don't sit with the seat in the lowest position.

    • @DjNikGnashers
      @DjNikGnashers Před 11 měsíci

      @@sgtm7 Is that your mum and your sister you're talking about son ?

    • @sgtm7
      @sgtm7 Před 11 měsíci

      @@DjNikGnashers My wife and a co-worker. They are some Gen-Z racer wannabe though. So they might not relate.

  • @Petedang
    @Petedang Před rokem +1

    Where did you get that cool little retro 8 bit TV that's on your desk from please?

  • @OnlyDianes
    @OnlyDianes Před rokem +1

    would this fit a 2018 model? has the same style but idk if the structure inside is the same

  • @nicknuttall2903
    @nicknuttall2903 Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome channel, keep it up

  • @AShiftySpock
    @AShiftySpock Před rokem +4

    Couldn't help but laugh when you mentioned the SIM card slot. The modern equivalent of a car phone lol

    • @sgtm7
      @sgtm7 Před 11 měsíci

      The SIM card slot is more likely to be used for data, instead of tethering from your phones mobile hotspot, or from having to use a mobile hotspot box. I just use the hotspot box in all my cars.

  • @syb5009
    @syb5009 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow!! you did all of that by yourself 😅 Amazing!!

  • @Leehuss5582
    @Leehuss5582 Před rokem +1

    Great demo mate
    Can I ask why do you hate the fiesta?

  • @bryonhulcher851
    @bryonhulcher851 Před 4 měsíci

    ive been contemplating something like this or a tablet.... i do ride share as a side hustle... wondering if the play store on the unit would let you download the driver apps

  • @indieshack4476
    @indieshack4476 Před měsícem

    "I might plug one in [camera] one day, but to be honest I hate this car" - priceless!!! - thanks so much for a great video, extremely helpful in wiring on of these "TESLA-style" head units in

  • @philip.aocallaghan4602
    @philip.aocallaghan4602 Před 6 měsíci

    Excellent job, but very expensive to replace

  • @eve017
    @eve017 Před rokem +1

    now on their site, there's your video in the product description ;) I do have version before android 10 and now it's become very darn slow ;x I have asked them if they can send me an upgrade to android 10-13 and they refused. AH got 1 question do we have to pay now an additional tax as they are sending units from the china ...

  • @stevenc5227
    @stevenc5227 Před rokem +4

    Looks great, but the problem i see is that its android 10 and we are already on 13 and after a few years it will be too old to run the apps, had this problem with a phone recently, also can the sat nav be updated? or is it not updatable, that is another issue, wouldn't want to pay all that money for something that will be unusable after a few years. They need to bring out software updates, until then i will keep my old unit.

  • @geekcorerob
    @geekcorerob Před rokem +1

    Will maintenance reminders still work with this?

  • @user-sd7nx7vu6m
    @user-sd7nx7vu6m Před rokem +3

    How much did it all cost bearing in mind its only a fiesta

  • @phillavender3321
    @phillavender3321 Před 6 měsíci

    Are these also DAB & GPS compatible with the appropriate connections for the antennas

  • @Cous1nJack
    @Cous1nJack Před rokem +3

    Upgrade. If you like big wheelie bins maybe.

  • @ZachAsaD
    @ZachAsaD Před rokem +1

    I upgraded my Hyundai 2010 i30 with a Sony unit, doesn’t always connect to CarPlay which is really annoying but at least I can change the tracks with the steering wheel

  • @alinaus6994
    @alinaus6994 Před rokem

    Hi, i am a subscriber of your channel and i want to ask you were you have bought the fiesta carplay. I am driving a ford fiesta [ model 20010-2017.

  • @herrlip72
    @herrlip72 Před rokem +30

    Set security on the device if you are going to sync any personal emails and data in case your car gets stolen, stops the thief getting access to your personal emails, set a passcode at start up, if you find that a hassle then don't log into anything

    • @lupulflamand5673
      @lupulflamand5673 Před rokem

      The risk is the same as getting your phone stolen.

    • @igorordecha
      @igorordecha Před rokem +12

      ​@@lupulflamand5673 you don't put a lock on your phone? No pin, no pattern, no fingerprint?

  • @fluxcapacitor
    @fluxcapacitor Před 10 měsíci

    21:10 I was hoping in vain to see how the CarPlay springboard looks like without the top menu bar. When the top menu bar is hidden, do you have two or three rows of Apple CarPlay apps on screen?

  • @danzesociety
    @danzesociety Před 9 měsíci

    That should fit my Ford C-Max. Got the same set up.

  • @Sussyman75
    @Sussyman75 Před měsícem

    I love to see it 😍

  • @zachspeight
    @zachspeight Před 4 měsíci

    Does it come up on stereo with the warnings that came up on original stereo link when doors are open and seat belt info?

  • @dejavoue88
    @dejavoue88 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Where do you put the cassettes ...

  • @carstenweiland7896
    @carstenweiland7896 Před rokem

    Couldn't you fit it back in the boot or was it too high?

  • @PSVYME48PH
    @PSVYME48PH Před 7 měsíci +1

    Hello bro great vid

  • @hamzaqureshi4615
    @hamzaqureshi4615 Před 8 měsíci

    How did u contact them regarding the cords? I have everything I can plugged in, but nothing is displaying on screen.

  • @coffeepot3123
    @coffeepot3123 Před 2 měsíci

    Obscures the view of the road, very road legal!.

  • @jarfur559
    @jarfur559 Před rokem +1

    Look massive and like it blocks the wind screen

  • @rickeshgurung7105
    @rickeshgurung7105 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This is why I went with a polo

  • @clintviljoen5740
    @clintviljoen5740 Před 10 měsíci

    Hi SpyderLEE. At exactly 4:33, that is like a small glove box, to store a cellphone, wallet or whatever. You are suppose to push it and it opens. You broke yours. The new setup looks nice though.

  • @keironastbury9399
    @keironastbury9399 Před rokem

    you should be able to update the andriod software on that?

  • @oscarjesson3867
    @oscarjesson3867 Před rokem +2

    If I was you mate,
    I would of disconnect the battery before messing with all that 👍🏻
    end up getting a nasty shock 🫨⚡️

  • @theRustlyd
    @theRustlyd Před rokem

    is there a kit for the 2015 model ?

  • @Hory239
    @Hory239 Před 11 měsíci +1

    hello, I bought such a navigation, I connected the plugs but it does not turn on. the rear fan works but the screen does not turn on. can you please help me with some ideas how I could solve the problem. 👍

  • @garytheobald9538
    @garytheobald9538 Před rokem

    Will this be a straight exchange in my 79 maxi?

  • @SophiaAphrodite
    @SophiaAphrodite Před 6 měsíci

    So Sync has a diagnostic feature. Does that still work?

  • @id70b40
    @id70b40 Před rokem +14

    The original ford system was pretty ugly…. But this aftermarket system takes ugly to a whole new level.

  • @jorg_porsche_4613
    @jorg_porsche_4613 Před 5 měsíci

    Mein Sohn findet es super, damit ich gleich loslegen kann 🤣 Aber tolles Video, gerade bestellt, los geht's, vielen Dank für deinen Top-Film

  • @mrsecret8635
    @mrsecret8635 Před 13 dny

    I bought the same display and have had a problem since then that my exterior mirrors no longer fold in automatically when I lock the car. Do you know what I can do?

  • @Bankai72
    @Bankai72 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Turn your heater on high and roll up the windows for 30 minutes before removing any interior pieces. You might save yourself a broken clip.

  • @joepauly2311
    @joepauly2311 Před 5 měsíci

    Physical switches and knobs for the win.
    There is a reason the US Navy is switching away from touch screens.

  • @Wayne70
    @Wayne70 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Cable management would drive me insane with them rattling about behind the dash, cable ties would have came in handy. Overall if your looking to upgrade an older vehicle to a newer looking Android/Apple interface i guess its an improvement but i'd rather put the car in and upgrade the car with newer tech already included. My 2023 Grandland X boasts a fully digital screen and its good but the satnav part looks smaller than the older version even though it states its bigger its just more wasted space around the edges of the screen.

    • @SpyderLEE
      @SpyderLEE  Před 6 měsíci +1

      This is probably more aimed at the people that haven’t got 30k to drop on a new car or dont want to be up to their eyes in debt for a car. A few hundred quid is much easier to swallow.

    • @Wayne70
      @Wayne70 Před 6 měsíci

      @@SpyderLEE yeah i get that my first car i bought for £98 @17 was 34 years old it done me good to get to work and back while i saved for something newer while not breaking the bank, i'm now 53 it took alot of time and hard work to get this far but it can be achieved. Spending a ton of money on a radio head unit is not gonna add value to your vehicle a simple phone holder can achieve the same job till you upgrade your car.

  • @redmanredman4676
    @redmanredman4676 Před 2 měsíci

    Wow you are the best mate 👍👍I have a golf 6 mk6 1.4cc TSI. 2012/2013
    Can I convert my golf from 7 inch to 8inch or more ?? There is any kit ?? Thanks a lot ❤️

  • @SCG77
    @SCG77 Před rokem

    saw your thumbnail. looks gorgeous. no i don't own ford. just wan to come say this.

  • @bersetjeanyves5695
    @bersetjeanyves5695 Před 11 měsíci

    Sur quel site avez vous commandé le poste???

  • @rajacollections8198
    @rajacollections8198 Před 6 měsíci

    We're did you buy yours

  • @MrDooley1414
    @MrDooley1414 Před rokem +4

    Excellent Video.... Thinking of doing this for my Daughters Car.... please could you give me the Website for the company you got this Head Unit from. Many Thanks In Advance.

  • @jorg_porsche_4613
    @jorg_porsche_4613 Před 5 měsíci

    Amezing good thank you very much

  • @jepdizon8415
    @jepdizon8415 Před 7 dny

    how was the unit after 1 year?

  • @paulmcmuffin
    @paulmcmuffin Před 7 měsíci

    would i still be able to turn traction control off and on??

  • @aleksejvuhu94
    @aleksejvuhu94 Před 11 měsíci

    Hi. I installed android Tesla on my Kuga mk2, park sensors working great but park assistant not. How i can check it?

  • @fastdub0073
    @fastdub0073 Před rokem

    There website do not do these for Ford transit custom 2017 or any stereo

  • @JonnyWaldes
    @JonnyWaldes Před 2 měsíci

    I have a 2012 fiesta with the same red screen. And it has "Sync" i'm not sure what model to get 09-12 or 13-17 because the 09-12 says "without sync" but I do have sync?

  • @mikec6919
    @mikec6919 Před rokem +9

    Serious question: is that actually an MOT fail? As you can see from sat in the drivers seat how sticking up so far from the dash it will create blind spots on the N/S corner. I struggle to see how it would be road legal assuming dash cams/air fresheners and any other non standard detritus is a technical fail.

    • @MarkFromEastleigh
      @MarkFromEastleigh Před rokem +2

      I was thinking the same thing really when I fist saw the height installed. It does tend to sit quite high above the dashboard line. As they say...'if it's not broken, don't fix it'.

  • @shinua9465
    @shinua9465 Před 8 měsíci

    This dvd camera conction conctor?

  • @88GermanHero
    @88GermanHero Před 7 dny

    what about youtube netflix etc, does that work?

  • @westfieldracer
    @westfieldracer Před 3 měsíci

    Modern system in an 80's pod, i couldn't stop laughing at how vulgar that looks, but a well presented video. I can't see many people doing that to their old Fiesta

  • @bestyoutube5318
    @bestyoutube5318 Před 5 měsíci

    What good is it in your car.
    I just dont see the benefits ?
    I bet half the settings dont work

  • @jamesscarcraze1285
    @jamesscarcraze1285 Před 3 měsíci

    I have a 2015 mk 7.5 Fiesta and I purchased this kit hoover was left disappointed that I got the wrong loom and wrong decoder. The loom and decoder was for the 2009 to 2014 Fiestas. The 2015+ radios have an extra plug and there's not a socket for the extra plug on the loom. Thankfully they said they have the correct loom and decoder for the 2015+ models, as at the moment I can't integrate the steering wheel buttons and also the sound quality is terrible as the equaliser and amp and split over two sockets

  • @stevenw75
    @stevenw75 Před rokem

    Jesus christ...that's an absolute riot mate 😂😂😂

  • @khaledaboizzat
    @khaledaboizzat Před rokem +2

    dont forget to let your insurance know that your car is now modified and and pay bit extra for it

  • @marcocutarelli6474
    @marcocutarelli6474 Před 6 měsíci

    can you also put it on the ford fiesta 2010 mk6?

  • @JohnDoe-gt7pm
    @JohnDoe-gt7pm Před 9 měsíci

    and if you cant use climate, try to change a canbus settings, sometimes it helps. here in our russian youtube version there is about Raizer canbus when changing car settings its helps someone. or if you cant change, maybe can bus only gets can requests. in my case i got only one can channel I-CAN or MM-CAN, but in newer there is two can chanels which goes to sync system I-CAN and HS-CAN in sync 2-3 there is 3 can channels i-can or mm-can, then hs-can (main can) and ms-can for not so important parts

  • @paramedicchrisbookseries
    @paramedicchrisbookseries Před 2 měsíci

    Awesome

  • @shahinmiah4990
    @shahinmiah4990 Před 3 měsíci

    Where can I get this fron? I need this pls I need link

  • @charlieamos-hodge9168
    @charlieamos-hodge9168 Před rokem +1

    Hi i brought on couple of days ago told them what year and model my car and its 2009 ford fiesta they have given wiring loom for a 2013-14 wiring loom i have emailed them they have sent me a bill for the loom what should cost me £10 they said bur pressed the link for the payment but bill is £44 so this is getting annoying

  • @jeesmunn2011
    @jeesmunn2011 Před rokem

    Do you have the links for it and any information about getting one as I do like the look of it

    • @fxmayx1370
      @fxmayx1370 Před rokem

      check the video description, first link

  • @tomm6746
    @tomm6746 Před rokem +3

    Screens worth more than the car 😂

  • @I_am_Allan
    @I_am_Allan Před rokem

    Blimey ... you have my mouse wrist support. 🤣

  • @bedumon
    @bedumon Před 6 měsíci

    Wonder if needed planning permission for that.

  • @antoniobelcastro8378
    @antoniobelcastro8378 Před 8 měsíci

    Come hai inserito CarPlay? Potresti fare tutorial?

  • @lupulflamand5673
    @lupulflamand5673 Před rokem +1

    If that Fiesta is old my 99' vw golf is prehistoric.

  • @shandybass6320
    @shandybass6320 Před 2 dny

    Can you connect a sub to this stereo

  • @momiah2592
    @momiah2592 Před 11 měsíci

    How did you change it from KH to Miles (MPH)? I’ve installed it however my car changed to Kilometres which is frustrating.

    • @thisfeatureisbad
      @thisfeatureisbad Před 10 měsíci

      You may need an OBD programmer to change that if your dashboard doesn't have an option to switch between the kilometers, yards and miles. However, backing up everything is the key before making any changes. It's also super important which programmer you get off the store.