Why I HATE competing in tournaments now (Rant)
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2024
- Competing is not worth it for me anymore. I'll still make CZcams videos but I am no longer playing in tournaments myself.
BAN MONEY MATCHES.
#marth #smashbros #rant #smashultimate #corrin - Hry
Aaaay I'm okay, y'all. Just a... mad about the state of Smash. Thank you all for the kind comments! I am so thankful for everyone, here!
I forgot to mention how unlucky I am about my Switch itself. I LOVE it, but because it's a newer model (OLED) I cannot gain the mods that most of the good competitive players have (so no training mod). This has made labbing so much more difficult and the process for mastering certain things takes much more time. I constantly feel like I can be good but everyone else will always be ahead of me. At this rate it isn't worth going to tournaments right now.
Who knows, maybe things will change, but for now, I'll focus on making videos and not tournament runs.
Emulators support mods, maybe you can try one
@@lloydarando you have more intel on this, i’ve been wanting training mod pack for ever now
@@Waymen. The most popular Switch emulators can run it
My biggest problem with competitive smash is just how much extra effort you have to put in to get good at this game. You have to pay a weekly fee at locals in order to get any experience in a competitive environment, if you get eliminated early you can go hours without playing due to all setups being used for bracket, and once spaces start freeing up you don't get the experience you need because people start leaving since they only came for bracket. Practicing by yourself at home sucks because training mode is bad, and smash just doesn't have good netcode and an easily accessible online ranked mode.
I wish more tournaments had an open ladder style of bracket, so that you would be able to keep playing after losing 2 sets because right now the amount of money you have to pay to play just doesn't feel worth it
@@kylejohnson8447 gee REALLY I thought skill would be handed to me on a silver platter sorry
@@kylejohnson8447 No I'm sorry but the fact that you're saying "You have to put in that effort to get good at anything" tells me that YOU have no clue how hard people actually work to improve in Smash. I even listed some of the many barriers that this game puts up to hinder your growth as a player, if you bothered to read. Smash is literally the only contemporary fighting game that requires you to buy an older version of a console in order to have a functional training mode, that has in-built online input delay that can be MODDED OUT, and a ranked mode that barely passes as one. Smash is a fundamentally flawed competitive game, because it was never its priority, and WHY it's so discouraging to compete in.
Don't talk to me about not knowing "how hard people are working", because I am more than aware and applaud those who persevere despite this game's flaws. Your response to my comment was just so obtuse that I saw no reason to answer with any sincerity.
@@kylejohnson8447 You once again completely missed my point but I can tell you're more interested in flaunting yourself than actually reading what I wrote, so I see no reason to continue this conversation.
@kylejohnson8447 My guy, I think you don't understand their point.
I think what they mean is that despite everything that can help us improve in smash, there's always something that is going to stop us from improving correctly ; Smash online is not that good and you can't exactly put in practice everything youve done online in a IRL tournament because of the delay, and it would feel weird.
Tournaments aren't really practical because you play for maybe 10 to 15 minutes total and you might stress out and play really badly because of it, and even with the freeplay at the end, some of us can't have the luxary to stay outside really late to play smash.
Training on your own is also an option but you dont get the satisfaction of playing agsint a real human that can read your everymoves or tell you how to do certain things. You just miss out on so much more useful (in my opinion) info on your character and the way you play when youre in training mode. (i'm talking about un-modded switched, so the DEFAULT training mode in Smash). And let's not talk about the bots 😭, they don't reflect in anyway how a real person play.
I see what you mean my guy, if you dont put in the effort to get good at this game then you will never be, and theres no need to complain since you dont put in the effort. But something you need to understand is that some people jsut can't practice as much as other people, some people jsut have other things going on that can't let them practice OUTSIDE of smash tournaments, and that doesn't mean that they don't want to get good, it jsut means that the current format for smash tournaments isnt exactly good.
Which is why having other formats and othe style of gathering to play this game could be useful.
It's always nice to have a good environnement to train, whatever field you're in, coding, drawing, video games, anything. You always need advice and otehr people around you to make you progress. But when those people leave as soon as theyre out, or when they're being overly braggy (kinda like you are being right now-), when theyre not interested in freeplay or just training with someone whose not as good as them, you don't get that experience and training you keep on talking about. Even if you try to put in some effort in the game and in training, the environemment you're in is not letting you get better, (once again, EVEN if you try your best to get better).
TLDR ; The current smash tournament environnement isn't the best for mediocre player, even if you practice for hours on your own or in smash online, you'll never actually get the experience you can gain against a real person in the same setting.
Ego is a mf in the Smash community, and people are weird af. For most of us, wifi being our only option(which is subpar and why even pay for online to begin with), it's pretty discouraging.
I had no idea money matching was that much of an issue, I honestly only thought top players did it. I always found it stupid bc I’m not paying someone $15 only to get steamrolled by their DK 💀.
Stuff like this is why I just meet up IRL with friends from my local scene and grind one on one. I can enjoy hanging out in a stress-free environment while also getting good practice. No need to worry about last-second bracket changes, getting kicked off setups, or weird vibes.
I feel ya man on the wifi. Even with Sonic as my main there’s so much bs that comes with online play. I also have terrible luck, so I feel ya.
whats stopping you from playing with people your skill level instead of top players?
Actually finding them for one thing
Thats a sad thing, in mexico or at least in my city the players aré really kind AND help each other a lot, there Is money matches. Here they even hold meetings to practice with the top players in the city. Thats a sad Situation but hope you can still getting better
Man that sounds soooooo much better than what we got going on in Georgia. It's crazy.
Come to Melee please. More consistent online and Marth is way more broken.
Everyone leaves mid-low tier mains. I play yoshi but picked up falcon so no one leaves
@@Ratborger1try ranked Slippi, I play Luigi and it happens the same to me but there are a lot of discord servers available to play friendlies with players at every level
@Ratborger1 that why I don't play Marth had to pick up roy
I'm sorry to hear about your struggles with competing. I hate the mentality of Smash players, especially that whole "people won't play with you unless you're a top player" thing. People need to understand that competitive play isn't JUST about top players and you don't magically become one overnight. Every single top player was a nobody at some point in their lives. Too many players expecting money in return is another big one. Why can't more people play with an up-and-comer out of the goodness of your heart?
After seeing the community hate on corrin so much, I realized it's not the game that's bad but the players who need to mature.
I'm actually shocked that people hate Corrin now. That's how you know things are getting bad
@@philclip23 gonna be honest. after how mid steve players have been this year and how sonic players have not been relevant since genesis, the haters need something to hate
@@philclip23 People have always hated Corrin since he was introduced in Smash 4.
This is why the fighting community, in general, is so awful to be a part of. It's not just Smash; it's Tekken, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear. It's every fighting game except Skullgirls lmao.
You can't play who you want or how you want, and people are trying to drag you down all the time.
Yeah and a lot of people don't understand how difficult it is to actually get good by yourself. No top player got good at the game by labbing against a CPU for the entirety of their grinding. They played friendlies and found other skilled players who were willing to help them out.
Somehow this is completely overlooked and even some people in this very comment section don't get it because none of them have been in my shoes.
I have such mixed feelings on Metafy because you're paying to play someone and there's no guarantee you'll get something out of it. Glorified money matches if you ask me.
But yeah in the current environment competing just isn't worth it, it's so toxic and competitive. Even today people still prefer tearing each other down rather than building each other up and it's really depressing to see. Actually can't believe people are harassing you for playing Corrin, what are we, 12?
As a Samus player, I would guess that your issue is all in matching tempo. I don't think that character matchups matter for Samus very much, but player matchups do. Samus has a really easy time not just controlling tempo but switching it on a dime, and sometimes that switch is the hardest part of the matchup. You gotta try to stay on your toes more than any matchup that isn't built around reaction time. You're permanently on defense against Samus. Just play confidently and pay attention and you'll see pretty significant improvement, I'd wager.
And speaking as a former TO, shuffling seeds is so stupid. I mean, it doesn't only affect the players. I feel for the other TOs in that scenario who must have been freaking out because the schedule got screwed up immediately and misreports were happening for sure. And then the way it affects the players too, who often look at their bracket ahead of time, and that affects their mentality going into the event. Some part of me thinks that locals don't need ranked seeding, but shuffling it as the tournament starts multiple times like you implied is just horrendous.
Ultimate has felt unplayable competitively to me since at least 2021, and the community has alienated me because of their negligence in social issues over the last four or five years as well, so I'm honestly happy whenever I see someone willing to move on. After what happened in 2020, things have only gotten worse. There was a committee of community members providing guidelines on how to handle player bans, but it dissolved within the last year, and it failed to handle most of the bans in an effective and conclusive manner both during and after 2020. To this day, I can't believe there weren't stricter guidelines enforced on having minors at events. In the last few years, I think the number of minors has gone up significantly at these events and that is legit such a hazard to the kids, the TOs, and the game. There are going to be more groomers and deviants, and there are ones from 2020 who are still around too, and what I'd have proposed if I had the voice was that minors should only be allowed to enter online tournaments, but that's a terrible solution too, because Nintendo refused to give this game any half decent online service.
And to that end, Nintendo failed the community in more ways. Their Panda Circuit tie-in fiasco has completely killed the economics of the already shaky community, and the balancing of this game went into the toilet during the pandemic. I frequently picture a world where none of the DLC fighters released and how the top tiers are not only more bearable but so much more exciting to watch and play. If you ask me, the only good addition has been Sora. But even then, I look at that initial set of newcomers with Ultimate and I see tremendous failures across the board. Sora and Ken might be the only newcomers who were given the amount of time required to make them accurately and well-designed.
Anyway, good luck out there, GOAT.
I have to drive an hour for the tournament I like. It’s in Sacramento. It cost me more gas since I started going to that weekly tournament.
Everything IS about money now.
There are several reasons people charge for games but the most important in my eyes are
1. People should pay you for your above average skills if said people wanna be as good as you.
2. Some people wanna play great players for ego reasons, and money matches are more worth while than ego matches.
I used Metafy once and got genuinely good advice from my coach. I got a peek into their personal life and some of their days are taken up by local tournaments. Those days got in the way of the lessons I wanted to take. To make the time with me worthwhile, they HAVE to charge me. We aren’t friends. He isn’t obligated to play me.
It really does suck, your bracket luck and bad mouthing you get. I never got that in tournaments. I haven’t been to enough of them to meet those unsavory people. The best I’d ever done in a real tournament was like 2-2 and I get discouraged sometimes but this community always lifted me up when I was feeing down.
It sucks having to see this video from the person who inspired me to play Marth as a Ryu main. Hopefully you find it in you to never give up and go hard but your mental health matters more than some kids party game.
Heard about the bracket shuffling thing from a friend since I go to that tourney sometimes, definitely not the best TO material as he's done that before and spends the most time playing in the bracket + friendlies while his assistant actually TO's. The place it happens at is having a free tourney tomorrow, but it's definitely good to step away for a bit.
I have mixed feelings about TOs playing in their own tournaments and then seeding themselves in it...
I’m down to play friendlies, but I completely understand your frustration with competing in smash. I never competed but I really did want to so I worked my ass off but it still wasn’t even enough. Also, smash online is absolutely horrendous, and now I only play with friends, that also compete, and just play to have fun. I’ve played Marth, Joker and Corrin, I loved playing all three but with horrible online, and the hitboxes not connecting or working properly, I just called it quits. Every time I get on I play against the same characters (which you know about already) and because I that I got so tilted that I realized I need to step back and put the game down for while because it wasn’t good for my mental health. I really did love this game, I put 110% into but the game is actually broken with the online, physics engine, Z-axis and hit-boxes, and this game rewarding characters that should bad overall, become busted online. I’ll still play smash if anyone wants do friendlies and but I just stopped and moved to SF6 and Tekken 8.
Sorry for the rant I just had to get that off my chest for a while.
While i partially agree with you, the money situation is a thing at most top levels of any competitive scene.
How much money and time parents have to spend to take their kid to a good football academy (im english so soccer to you) is immeasurable. Its the sacrifice to become one of the best and its just how it is.
Esports is a bit different though cause you have to give up more hours of your life and theres no clear path to go pro and get paid.
Honestly, sack off esports and spend that time getting a career and proper education.
I'm literally in college and I'm a full time worker...
@Spyder-Marth then you're on a good path then 👊🏽
i’m sorry ur scene is that way 😔. i wish u could be at my scene, everyone is really nice and friendly, and i’ll go to locals just for that. bracket shuffling sounds so annoying
Foreal bro, I just wanted to play friendlies at Genesis and got to the point where the only way I could play with people was money matches.
Hey, I just wanna say, regardless of what you‘ll do moving forward, that, not only did I enjoy your content, but I think a lot of the information you put out there is very valuable. I am a big Fan of Marth and if I wouldn‘t absolutely love Sheik, I‘d probably main him. I still play him from time to time and try out some setups that I have from your channel. I know this doesn‘t really have anything to do with this video, I just thought I‘d drop by and show some Love. Have a good one.
If it makes you feel better every time I go to a tournament (I only can compete like once or twice a year) I always get matched with a top player of my scene in less than 2 rounds. You're not alone xD. Even though most of the problems you said in general are from the community more than the game itself (don't get me wrong online and some MUs are terrible) but I totally get your point. Just don't care about what those mofos say about you and do whatever the hell you want. And if quitting competitive makes you happier then so be it. Also I never heard of that bracket shuffling thing. That unprofessionality is just pitiful. Best regards bro.
real. how Nintendo got away with the way their "servers" run is fucking mind boggling. and yeah the ultimate scene is def hurting. nobody wants to "watch omg will spargo prevent grands from being a Steve/Sonic ditto for the 83rd time??". and what you said about the players yeah everyone just been getting way more toxic every year that passes. it's insufferable. I'm sorry you had to go through all that dog wish you well on whatever you do
Where were you during the last few Majors that had Fox and Corrin win for this year?
You people clearly don't play competitively.
How convenient that you chose to willingly ignore the fact that Genesis X, the largest Ultimate tournament thus far, was won by a ROB Player with not a single Steve player in Top 8.
@@user-be3qc7re9oYou’re missing the entire point of their comment. Plus people don’t like ROB or Zomba for that matter so I don’t see how Genesis helps your claim.
Youre assuming that all smash players care about tournament result when it’s mainly just spectators (in addition expect people to know the most recent tournament results, it’s ridiculous, stop). And im not saying their opinions are invalid, but thats not what the video is talking about whatsoever.
Im in a smash bros club where a lot of the players there, who are far better than me, don’t know who Tweek or Leo are. I don’t judge them for that. I’ve played smash bros since I was 8 and I didn’t start watching competitive smash until the end of Smash 4. It’s insane you think you need to watch the game to play the game.
Who cares about top level results when most players in the community just want to play the flipping game without unnecessary limitations.
You’re looking at this issue as a spectator and not as an actual player.
@xanander4693
"Plus people don't like ROB or Zomba."
I found no such official study proving a majority feels that way towards ROB and/or Zomba
@@xanander4693
Not to mention how the original comment has deliberately false information regarding the current meta.
Ngl I feel bad for you, I watch you mostly on my school computer and I was experimenting with corrin, mainly a sonic main with Kirby/ Metaknight as a secondary. I picked to play sword fighters like Ike and corrin to get the experience so that my big cousin can tell me how to play them, sometimes I feel like I can’t play the game without me getting criticized, on quickplay with 10 characters in elite smash, Sonic, Mega man, Kirby, Meta knight, Dr Mario, Pac man, Greninja, Corrin, Mewtwo, and Ridley into elite. Online scarred me to the point where I hate mostly every character my friends choose because I feel like they play the same way online people do. (Thankfully they don’t) But online has been mostly practice for me Tbh, My friends sometimes even though they criticize me for playing sonic, (I do for fun and practice) we help eachother get better. (Hate the part where they put me in my own team and everyone else against me even though it’s funny asf) If it weren’t for online 4 of my controllers would have been in good condition 💀 but yeah I watch top players and I adjust to the combos in training mode.
I would say to not play online for experience until you go to your local tournament scene or have frineds to play w/ that go to the local scene. If neither are true, I think the best part about getting good at smash, the other people, is lost. Online is just a painful slog if you don't have a good reason to be there.
Even though you’re feeling like that, for sure Marth can still thrive in this meta. Or at least I believe. Still going to keep Marth alive, and as a competitor I hope to see you compete when you’re refreshed!
The Smash community is the most toxic environment I've ever seen, so I don't blame you for being done and wanting to move on.
I'd love to play friendlies! I'm also in university, and a lot of people have told me that I should go to tournaments, but besides me being a bit shy/nervous about it doing that kind of thing, I really don't feel like scheduling a portion of my time to walk over to campus and compete in a tournament, and I'd especially rather not spend my money going to big tournaments. I mean, I can't even drive because I have Tourettes. Part of me does kinda want to compete in tournaments and see how well I do, because people have told me I'm really good at the game, but I'm working on my ICT degree. I just don't have time to commit that much to a single game, yet I still want to improve. WiFi is horrible, and I don't even have my switch because it's back at home and I'm in an apartment, so even if I wanted to spend 20 bucks for a year of online, it's still annoying to play on. Yuzu was nice, but still had a bit of lag/latency depending on both people's connection, and I still have it and can play on it, but Nintendo made Yuzu shut down, so it's hard to get new people to play with on Yuzu. And then, there's other games I like playing, such as Guilty Gear Strive, or Rivals of Aether, which literally handle the things that Smash struggles with for you. If you wanna talk about it, feel free to reach out on Discord!
As someone who has done MANY metafy sessions and put thousands of hours into the game, I completely agree with you. The game is trash ESPECIALLY online and the community is awful too. It wasn't worth it I can't do it anymore.
As a smash coach, this all sounds very relatable and frustrating. It's also quite likely you look back on this, and may not reverse your decision, but your perception on the matter will change. It's all highly negative (expectedly), which I can also relate to. Maybe a break will do you some good.
I hate to say, but much of this sounds like general frustration about factors you feel are out of your control, but they very much are. Some of the bracket BS stuff you mentioned sounds like you don't have control, but your play and MU experiences absolutely are. It might not be what you want to hear, but it's the case for not just you but many players.
Either way, I see you around occasionally and I know who you are and how you play - been following for a while now. I would just recommend that blaming things won't help in the long-run for your smash development. Take a short break and maybe return to playing with people you enjoy over trying to compete to be the best, then once you're enjoying the game more, you'll regain the confidence to choose a path that fits you.
Hope this helps man and all the best to you
I mean yeah, I could just "get better" and I stated in the video that me struggling is a skill issue. However, I have been trying to overcome these same few MUs for years. I've tried so many different methods and asked for so many tips, yet I still lose to every Samus and PT in bracket. Hell, I've even played different characters. It doesn't work as well as many people want to say it does.
Everything I am going through is just a "easier said than done" type of thing. Is it possible I can get better? Yes. However, I am absolutely burned out. I don't think any amount of grinding will help until I take months off from competitive play and reset.
I do appreciate your comment and I appreciate you for being very kind. I just don't see any reason for me to continue struggling with a game for another few years, just to *maybe* win a small tournament.
the struggle is real but don't run yourself dry. its a video game at the end of the day so remember to play it for fun, hell, play other fighting games just for a little fun at least they have fully functional matchmaking. there's so much more to tournament play than just hyper competitive smash brackets so make sure you don't overwhelm yourself with how sweaty the smash community can be or how poorly a bracket can be run. for every samus you meet in bracket you can always find 10 more matches where you won after you solved a problem mid set and casually improved, and that's 100% more important
The smash scene sucks bro but luckily you can still find some good genuine people in it. I stopped wasting my time going to tournaments and stressing myself out over people’s comments about me or the characters I play. Just do your thing and enjoy the game and your own happiness. I’ve been doing that a lot more with my close group of friends and I enjoy the game way more now.
My local scene has always been really nice when it comes to asking for friendlies. I'm guessing you already have, but do you ask everyone for friendlies, or only the people you beat/get beaten by. I'm not blaming you for it, I just don't know if I'm privledged in that regard.
edit: I like to go to the more small weeklies to gather experience, because that means more ability to play friendlies, big tourney are actually pretty bad at that from what I remember (counter-intuitive, I know). That could also be a reason.
Competitive Smash can suck, yes, but it's the adrenaline that can outweigh all the negativity and drive most players to continue competing.
I haven't competed in several years for some of the reasons you listed along with being busy adulting.
I wish you the best 💙
What you say is true. I think I let too many negative experiences pile up around a small time frame so now I'm burned out from tournaments for who knows how long. I might come back but if I do, I'm finding different locations to compete in.
Thank you for the sweet comment. I wish you the best as well. The adult life can be very challenging.
I always suspected that things like this happened in the community. At this point I can see that even Melee is still popular, while this game has the same fate as what happened with Smash 4, maybe not with the same magnitude but still
As a fellow Marth main I get the frustration and been there, but there are solutions to improving. It’s kind of a myth that you need to attend pricy stacked tournaments to get better. Especially in your region which is full of talented players, you’re probably much better off finding a small group of friends that are willing to grind friendlies and improve along side you. You can also try traveling to other smaller locals, such as other colleges in your area, to learn more MUs at a slightly lower level. Start small, get better, and from there you will have enough knowledge to do decent enough at a stacked tournament that top players will want to play friendlies with you. The reality is you gotta carry yourself and network with players around the same level as you, and ideally improve together, so that you’ll get the most out of attending stronger tournaments.
Want to be good at this game...bruh you a Marth beast! Definitely feel you with the enjoyment love/hate cycle of Smash Ultimate no doubt.
Competing and being in the Smash community requires thick skin whether it's coming across toxic players or seemingly impossible matchups.
On the flipside, the most rewarding aspect of the game is sticking with it and rising above all the BS and within your main's rankings - you're not the only one who has to go through that journey and play a legion of campy Samus'.
If you don't take things too seriously and can find passion for playing and eventually meet the right players to grow with or keep progressing solo labbing in Training Mode (modded Switch helps), win or lose, you'll always be a winner. You clearly have the talent and knowledge of the character and attitude to push their meta further than anyone else has before.
Bro i was at a tournament at my college and my friend drove me and i told him “bro you see that inkling? Im worried about him.” Sure enough he was my first match. I beat the inkling but then he switched to pt and apparently ivysaur has a really strong 50/50 on down throw for up air or up b. Yeah i lost vs pt and went to losers
Pokémon Trainer (Ivysaur in particular) is so mad broken. People just forgot because Quidd and DDee do not play often
Is this really how it is? I’ve never been to anything but I was planning on going to locals soon and then eventually a major just for fun and to get better but your experience sounds hell toxic. And yeah WiFi is so ass everyone’s ego is so freaking high on WiFi. It’s either u destroy someone once or twice and they just leave and rage quit or you get farmed once and they tea bag and then dip. Or the players that only rematch/ stay in ur lobby if they’re winning and as soon as they lose they’re out.
I understand how you feel I know from competing for a while, but I've gotten to the point where instead of competing ALOT I've been doing more commentary and helping new players get into he scene and playing friendlies with those who are trying to warm up and trying to get better in general.
It's just difficult because that's just how the smash scene in ALOT of people in the community in general don't wanna help each other. I'm from MD/VA so I have "top players" in my local but not top players on a national level just looking down on others as if they are trash it's just a horrible environment for those who want to actually wanna be better at the game.
Tbh your better off just doing CZcams content or streaming.
I main Joker and Corrin. You’ve already mentioned the Corrin hate, but maining a DLC top tier is just as annoying. No matter how good I do, there’s always one comment about how “I’m carried”. NO, I’M NOT! Granted, I don’t really go to tournaments, so I haven’t exactly proven a whole lot. But I haven’t proven I’m bad either.
The Melee fans, though. They’re even worse. No hate to the game, but some of that player base will constantly hate on this game and tell me I’m wasting my time. Ultimate’s one of my favorite games, and I hate being told to play a different game as if their opinion is the only one that matters.
But yeah, the bracket shuffle thing is annoying. Like I said, I don’t really go to tournaments so I haven’t experienced it, but it’s so stupid to shuffle the bracket for no reason.
All things aside, Ultimate is still one of my favorite games. It’s some members of the community I have issues with.
Neither character is even awful in the current meta.
Joker counterplay: run away/play slower/take adv of the iq decrease in a hyperaggressive arsene
Corrin counterplay: do anti-swordie things, mainly whiff-punishing and counterspacing because they're so slow.
That should be pretty basic stuff at this point in the meta.
@@tumultoustortellini I think it’s just people hating Corrin as a character and Joker having the unfortunate title of DLC top tier. Really sucks because I love playing those characters but that’s just how it is I guess
@@dogboyton3166 You're scene is full of shitter (no offense) If they complaining about those two. Joker ir arguably the most honest top tier (minus wolf) and while corrin's not honest, the counterplay is simple. I'm sorry for your terrible scene man
The FGC has been slowly eating themselves, and shit is simply not fun anymore
Yeah I stopped playing this game 2 years ago strictly because of the ranked system, matchmaking and sh!tty online connections. I don’t like melee, so more or less my time with smash has come to an end. No idea what the future of this franchise is, but a shiny roster won’t bring me back they gotta at least have better online (which is doubtful as it isn’t Sakurai who is responsible for this truly) and change their “ranked” system. There was nothing wrong with the For Glory mode…
I just started the video but I can totally agree. Meta is campy as fuck with Steve, Sonic, G&W, etc.
Also, lets be real here. Not many people have the Marth matchup as the number 1 matchup they want to learn. (This is no disrespect to you.)
Wifi is ass. The buffer system and the lag just messes with the inputs. 100% agree with you. Feel like they shouldn’t even bother lol.
As for the people with bringing up the win rates, fuck em lol
As for the bracket luck, yeah I’m sorry to hear that. I think Samus is as worse as Steve and Sonic funny enough. The way the character is designed just invalidates quite a few characters. Don’t even know why that character was buffed.
Anyways, I like your videos regardless. Feel better soon man.
okay sorry you play characters other than Marth so i retract that point but my other points are the same. Smash Scene sucks man.
Today is the day I quit competing in smash. Totally, unrelated the video. But, I thought I would post here anyways. I cannot do well in monthlies despite my efforts.
I spent a solid year going to weeklies almost always 2 hours away on transit in across my region and my pay check for absolutely nothing. I legit can’t even say hi to the top players in my region despite being in the scene for years. I’ve money matched regularly just to play the top players too, and losing $20 for the stupidest of games.
I absolutely hate being cheered against, or popped off on like my opponent won EVO. I hate playing -3 match ups which is 90% of the cast for me, and expecting myself to always win.
I hate that I’m the only representative of my character in my country. Alone to get good at some children’s video game. I heard everything, and every issue towards my character regularly, how I play, and cannot get their comments out my head. I’ve had friends from the scene told me give up my character, who’ve I spent the beginning of ultimate on.
Maybe they are right.
I hate grinding in an endless cycle on elite smash for GSP against mindless mashers, where 1 loss is equal to 10 wins.
Don’t get me wrong, there are fantastic and friendly people that compete, but I’m done talking about just smash.
I dislike how regulars cannot shower, groom, or style themselves. I hate the drama that goes in the smash community.
Very few people can pursue their dream and I’m not one of them. I’m never touching a game cube controller ever again.
Weird out this is the one place I choose to vent. :/
Why the hell do I need to study sport psychology to get good at a children’s game?
In what world is the only way to search up mechanics to smash is either through binging every top player’s CZcams Videos. Or read the entire smash Wikipedia. Like, a visual cue when hitting an opponent out of their double jump is a blue ring. Smallest fucking thing to pay attention to.
Why is it that every character discord is so damn inconsistent with helping, and founding what I need.
Like, I have to read a 100 page forum to start playing a character, and it doesn’t scratch the surface.
Don’t get be started on the entire rooster of characters being gimmicks, and losing entire games to MU checks.
Disclaimer: please don’t answer any of these questions. I genuinely don’t care about the answers. :/
This is another issue I have. It's so difficult to even get started with proper training
@@Spyder-Marth I agree. The training mode has lack lustre options, where your choice is buying a moddable switch for the training pack, or again looking for strange methods practice what was suppose to be given.
Money matches to play top players happened since brawl, and probably melee too haha. But get used to playing online, you'll have more fun when you get used to it cuz plenty of good vibes when you play against people in the Smash Discord, and it's free
Your scene souhds incredibly toxic man that's rough :(. Maybe try another area?
I don't think most college students have the time nor money to do that.
@@bluyu True say. Damn shame
Id play friendlies with you :(
Aaaw thanks 😊
Same
Push through it dont let no loser tell u you char. Sucks if they cant even play the game second study ur vids of ur bad matchups see what u can do better block out everything else if they are gonna shuffle brackets or whatever let them its a good opportunity to learn those matchups the road to being a top player requires u to learn as much as possible so look at it as im still learning
I predict we will have a new smash game soon, anyways, and Ultimate will die off. I'm 38 and have been playing fighting games since I was 12. Smash Ultimate is one of the least balanced games I have ever played. I still play it about an hour a day, but I wouldn't devote my time to trying to play competitively with this iteration of Smash. If you aren't playing one of the broken top tier characters you will get nowhere in Ultimate. The balance is that out of whack. Steve is worse than Bayo was in Smash 4, people just don't want to admit it. The fact they didn't ban Steve speaks volumes.
Cloud is also broken, I don't know why Sparg0 is the only one that is making him work. Aegis/Sonic/GNW, broken, broken, broken. It's not worth it man. Just play the game for your university, get your degree, get married and have some kiddos.
You clearly don't play Ultimate enough for you to say that Ultimate is more unbalanced than Smash 4.
Only Sparg0 has been making Cloud work because he's a good player.
Did you say the same thing about Byleth and Incineroar when MKLeo and SkyJay did well with them?
MKLeo won with Byleth, a character that's barely High Tier.
Skyjay and Big D almost won a Major with Incineroar and Ice Climbers, Mid Tiers.
Peabnut managed to beat several Top Players using MegaMan.
Rarukan and Luugi managed to almost win Majors with Luigi.
At this point, you're just making more of a case that you don't really play Ultimate.
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MKLEO won....
ALMOST....
ALMOST....
@@user-be3qc7re9o ....Makes no argument to support statement.
Look bro honestly you’re just complaining bro, I dealt with the same thing in smash 4 when I first started goin to tournaments, but I just kept goin to tournaments, and kept practici by and getting better, regardless of any wanting to play friendlies with me, and I ended up on the pr, and consistently stayed on the pr in San Diego, I mean honestly I do think this game is worse than smash 4 so I feel you there, but honestly if you want it bro you’re gonna do it no matter what
This guy is a notorious complainer
Ppl complain. Whats wrong with that? He’s right about online bc it’s a miserable experience. Input delay, lag, disconnections, sweaty players. It’s never fun.
Just because you jumped through hoops doesn't mean he should have to, that's boomer logic.
@@xanander4693 he’s right about online being bad. There’s no reason to criticize him for that take. However there are several other moments In the video where he gives bad opinions and complains about things that either are pointless to argue about or that he can change
@@judithforever9494 what is there to change? He’s tried to play sets with ppl about they are either harassed him or only play for money. I don’t know what he defines as harassment but knowing the smash community I know it could be very bad. If anyone needs to change, it’s the toxic behavior amongst others. You can only do so much to change yourself if others are not willing to change.
Come play p+ we play friendly with everyone because everyone is our friend
I agree money matches are kinda cringe lmao
try Melee 😉
good community, good online, a game to play more freely and a good amount of characters mid and top tiers
bro wants moneymatching banned lol. just dont lose bro
Just say you’re broke bud. People who money match have no respect and need actual jobs
Money matching would be fine if players didn't hog set ups they don't even own, themselves.
Like at that point this is getting out of hand.
Sorry, man. Maybe if only Marth was a more solid character online or something, but I’m getting side tracked. The fact that people reject you because you’re not a pro-player is stupid, because all you want to do is find a good spot in the game at the very least. It can be like wanting to meet your idol, but then a someone or something just emerges right in the middle.
Marth is as solid as the player playing him. Bc of statements like this Marth hasnt popped off man
@@cheesusnt3302 I never said that Marth wasn’t a solid character. What I meant was I wish they didn’t purposely adjust his Tipper hitbox to bring him down out of fear of him being too strong.
I don't think this has anything to do with Marth lol
This isn't about Marth.
People always taking advantage of the moment to complain about Marth
Get good lol
I would if I had $1000+ dollars to spend