Gold Dot: HOT or NOT?...10mm Speer Gold Dot Self-Defense AMMO Ballistic Gel Test!
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- Checking out some Speer Gold Dot in 10mm. Is it a good performer or just another pretender? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Glock 20 and 29!
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Someone make this man a 10mm ambassador! Give him his own line of 10mm ammo we can buy.
I saw CCI made a line of 22LR after a popular CZcamsr… just sayin!!!!
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“What’s up yall. I got some hot stuff right here. This T&T 10mm+p+p+”. Lol
StrawHat Munitions! 🎉🎉🎉
I vote Ayi !! 😂
T&T10 👍
Long live full power 10mm!!! Keep them honest T&T!!!
Amen!
Why do they even put that stuff out…… folks can use .40 cal in their 10mm and get better velocity than that. In my opinion that is just pitiful. Thanks for the test sir!!
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when 10mm first came out it suffered from manufacturers not building guns with frames that could take the abuse, so ammo manufacturers neutered the rounds. They started building stronger pistols but ammo never recovered.
I think it's pure negligence, bordering criminal considering the 10mm intended use.
@@hotrodray6802 what language is it you're speaking?
Man, I wish I could at least buy you a beer for all the money you’ve saved me in alerting me to inferior rounds. Especially when it comes to 10 mm!
Before I knew about your channel, I blew a lot of money on some pretty piss, poor ammo and unfortunately I live in an area where going out and testing the way you do is nearly impossible. Unless I travel 60 miles or so! thanks again man keep up the great work!
I never purchased a 10 mm handgun because my retired buddies from Sheriff department told me the ammunition was watered down over 10 years ago. You have proven it still is, Thanks!
Not all is. And it’s wimps like your buddy and the FBI That got it watered down. Leo s whined nationwide that it hurt their skinny wrists.
Don't buy watered down ammo!
@ammocan2796 Also Sig V Crown
Tools has shown that Grizzly makes good 10mm, but yes a lot of 10mm out there is pretty bad. I think Buffalo Bore and Underwood are the best. I use Underwood
I remember when the 10mm first was introduced, yeah, I'm an old guy who's been shooting and reloading since then. The 10mm was labeled a 100yd cartridge in a 25yd gun. 1200-1250 fps with a 200 grain bullet was the common load. Pressures were correspondingly high, only one pistol was built expressly for the cartridge (research Dornhaus and Dixon and draw your own conclusions). All other companies that introduced pistols for that high pressure loading had failures with their offerings. Other than Thompson Contender, they couldn't handle the pressures. The cartridge lost interest as the Dornhaus and Dixon company folded. Fast forward about three decades, the cartridge was re-introduced with watered down pressures and velocities. The new crop pf shooters who latched onto the 10mm as the new and trendy high powered pistol round were unaware of it's past, but they got all giddy over the watered down version anyway. The pressures were lowered, velocities were lowered, Tools knows all this and his disdain is warranted. Rather than build a pistol around the cartridge, they watered down the cartridge and then pushed it as an ultimate CC round, which it is not, though it is a good cartridge. Could someone build a worthy 10mm pistol? Yes, but to be what it once was it would likely have to be a pretty beefy full sized duty weapon. Smaller, lighter framed concealed carry pistols just wouldn't hold up, but I'd love to see them pull it off.
A lot of people are too young to remember the original 10mm, or how the FBI requested the 40 caliber round that had similar dimensions to the 10mm but with more manageable recoil. you can get decent 10mm loads but they are usually paired with hard cast projectiles for bear. I remember law enforcement adopting 10mm for a short time until their frames started cracking under the recoil.
This isn't any better then early FBI loads which most FBI pusses couldn't handle.
I run these at 1200fps out of a 4" S&W M&P. I load em though. But I agree.
you pull the bullets and re-charge-em up?
Have you seen how they hold up in gel?
You're spot on. This load is easily bested by the 200 grain @ 1080 fps 45 +P Gold Dot.
It's a shame what they did with these.
Wow!!! Plenty of factory 40 loads that are far more impressive in a smaller/lighter package. Good on you keeping them honest Sir. I love "Real 10", but I am 100% with you... it has to be real "10" !!!!
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They need to Make 10mm Great Again!
1250+ FPS
Yes!
Shame on Speer!! I’m not knocking the .40 but might as well just carry one instead of 10mm. That truly was pathetic power. The Gold Dot projectile is too good to be treated that way lol. Keep’m on their toes with these videos good sir. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Yessir.😎👊
This is why I carry Underwood in my G20 and 40. Great review! Thank you🙏🏿🇺🇸
Thank you sir.😎👊
10mm Auto is a great cartridge, much like the 357 Magnum. Highly versatile, but the 10mm Auto is loaded to 40 S&W ballistics by so many manufacturers. Why carry a 10mm when you can get the same power from a 40 and the 40 magazine fits a 9x19mm size pistol frame? It is sad. Much like the 41 Magnum, the 10mm Auto is better as a reloader's caliber.
Sad, but too true.
Great test as always Tools. I'm gonna stick with one of the three best you tested....Buffalo Bore 180,Grizzly 200, or the Underwood 155. I have a question...I have a G20 like you but recently looked at a Smith and Wesson M&P Performance Center 10 mm with the comp and the trigger felt soooo good and grips really nice for my small hands. Have you ever held one or know anyone with experience with this tool? Any opinions or observations you have about it would be greatly appreciated. I don't buy any ammo that doesn't have your stamp of approval, keep up the great work and I've told all my friends to check out your channel!!
Thank god for Underwood and Buffalo Bore
Ammo manufacturers have significantly watered down the 10mm & other pistol calibers.
What a total bummer. I was contemplating buying some gold dots and this just shut that idea right down. I’m gonna stick to HST and know I’m getting what I pay for.
Shame with such a nice bullet.
Hst is just as bad only 1000 fps with 200 gr bullets same velocity as 40 sw Underwood and buffalo bore are the way to go
Double Tap loads Gold dot bullet to proper velocity. When they arr available so fors Grizzly Cartridge
Maybe look for a hst +p load or as the others said, Underwood
@@jameshood9694 ehhh not all of double tap IS loaded properly some fall short or have a good velocity BUT from 6 inch barrels
I get what you mean 100%. The sad part is, they charge us for full 10mm powder power level but give us 40sw. 10mm is all profit for them.
Yep
Buffalo Bore, Underwood and Sig Sauer are the only ones making any good 10mm
Double Tap and Grizzly have a few pretty good ones too.😎👊
The BEST 10mm for urban carry is “Liberty Civil Defense”. Why? Because 10mm suffers from over penetration. “Liberty civil defense is best for “outlier” carriages that are not normal to carry, such as 10mm or 380 out of a short barrel. For 380, you suffer from low velocities which are bad for expansion. For more normal round like 9mm or 45 auto, go with something else.
What if you routinely shot through barriers? Then Underwood Extreme Defender is the best!
I’m still suspicious of the civil defense penetration so I go with the underwood
Well, this just proves that you really need to do some research and testing before you just assume that a certain cartridge is ‘up to snuff’!! Thanks for putting the word out about this particular ammo, and for all the other fine work you do!
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Really enjoy these vides and appreciate all the testing you do!
I really like how you do your tests with a short and longer barrel. It shows the difference really well. Keep up the videos !!
Great video man, would love to see a speer Gold dot 200grn+p 45 acp test
Thank you sir.😎👍
That's what I carry in sub 4" barrels
Thanks for all the testing you do. 💪
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Another good test thanks tools
10 mil and 40 short and weak have too little separation in ballistics. My dude calls it out constantly. My hero
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Short and weak...🤡
I love the 10mm tests! Its great info because there is so much 40 cal disguised as 10mm out there. You make choosing ammo a much easier job!!!!
Tools: you have become my favorite and go-to channel for ammo testing. Thanks for the consistently great content
Thank you sir.😎👊
Makes me wonder if the manufacturers of the 10mm ammunition is dumbing down the loads to be like the 40 S&W.
For sure.
I reckon it is because it is marketed as Personal Protection. The lighter recoiling load can be plenty effective and be easier to shoot. Hunting loads would hopefully be full power and I would like to see ‘standard loadings’ at a full potential like virtually all other ammo. This would be similar to personal protection 44 magnum that is loaded to 80% as full power isn’t needed for anti-personnel use and is harder to shoot.
If I wanted a lighter load then I’d opt for the 40 S&W. I’ll just follow this channel religiously and opt for the underwood. That’s been the true performer so far that I’ve viewed.
Tools, thanks for another great vid, I do believe I saw a puff of smoke come out your left ear at 13:03!!!
You did test it before. Im still glad you tested it again.
I thought I had, but I can't find the video anywhere.🤷♂️
Love your channel sir! I usually skip to the part showcasing the velocities, and if I see anything les than 1000 fps I know to not watch anymore, but anything faster than that I'm gonna pay attention to!
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Hell yeah! All the shots fired. Love the channel man
Agreed! Great 10mm potential out of the projectile. Another example of Federal/Speer not taking advantage and loading it down to velocities needed to push a 180 40S&W.
Always love the videos
Appreciate that.😎👊
Another great video Tools, my EDC in 9mm and 40 are both Gold Dot loads. Won’t be picking the 10mm up though…. Thx for the info.
Well you said it all Tools! And I am not really surprised by the tests Tools. Thank you sir.
Man, my wifey and I love your "vids". We love the amount that you LOVE 10mm. I've bought a G-20, for maybe 4 legged varmints , but our EDC are Gold Dot 9mm & Gold Dot .45acp. for the 2 legged types.
Appreciate y'all!😎👊
Speer's gonna watch your video and relabel this as "10mm Lite Ammo" LOL! I always enjoy your videos, T&T! Thanks for the content.
😆 Thank you sir.😎👊
Thanks to this channel, im picky with what 10mm ammo to buy. I rely on tool n targets for my 10mm reviews
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All your 10mm videos just prove why I just carry a 40sw. Great video as always 👍
Good gel test, we always expect better results from the defense ammunition than what we get. Thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸
Thank you sir.😎👊
40 s&w long...why bother
Exactly
Another nice 40 cal.. I mean 10 mm test Tools! It worked decent despite low velocity. Thanks for sharing!
Great review as always....As you implied this Gold Dot 10MM Auto is good for two legged self defense, however not fast enough for 4 legged critters like Grizzly and Underwood cartridges.
I really look forward to your ballistics tests - they are simply the best! Would really appreciate your testing the Underwood 9mm Luger +P 90gr. Xtreme Defender Platinum. I have been running this ammo alongside Federal HST 124 +P and would really like to see a comparison. Thanks.
Appreciate that.😎👍
THAT was a great 40 S&W test!!!🤣 Speer should be ashamed of themselves with this very capable Gold Dot!
For real.😆
Agreed on all points
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You said it right, it's good performance for a .40 s&w.
Your 10mm rants can be entertaining. 😆 Though I agree with your assessment. If I see this ammo on the store shelf, it will remain there.
That wasnt a bad test for .40SW! XD Keep up the great work Tools!
Added this one to the "don't bother" list.👍 I doubt I will run across any that you wouldn't, but I will keep my eye out.
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Here I am again for 10milli time !!!!! Wow might as well carry a 40 S&W seems like to me that’s what Gold Dot was thinking also 🤦♂️Thank you for all the testing you do I carry my Gen5 Glock 20 every time I’m outdoors and knowing what works great and what doesn’t and is real 10mil is critical. I carry only Underwood or Buffalo Bore and would also run the Grizzly 10mm because of your videos 👍🏼
Glad to see the test with the G29 along with the G20.
Lovin it
I was playing with full power 10mm buffalo bore and grizzl y last weekI'm mesmerized with the power of 180 gr 1250 or 1300 it is intoxicating.
Keep up the search😎
underwood used to load gold dots but i guess Speer put a stop to that idk. i do know they were spicy and preformed wonderfully.
Yep. I actually run the Underwood loaded 9mm +p+ Gold Dots when I run 9mm. I still have at least one of their Gold Dot loads too.
Agree with you TNT 🧨 110%! I cannot believe those speeds and performance. 10mm is a great caliber. Especially with the 10mm ammo you proved as good stuff. The ft.lb. Energy is horrible. Great call out and commentary video and info. Thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
Just got to say- I love your one liner, red neck rapping you put in all your videos. Great videos always 👍
I'll keep giving my money to Buffalo bore and Underwood, maybe Sig Vcrown. Thanks for saving me 30 bucks, T&T, your service to us 10mm kids is greatly appreciated.
Good Video Tools not the best for sure thanks for the information.
Great video! I like your opinion about the 10mm in terms of its power. This 10mm Gold Dot is a true trans ammo. It's a 10mm, but it identifies itself as .40 S&W. Underwood ammunition is following the same path.
That Gimick Ammunition is most of the time a pure failure a real Thunder Terd 😊
The ammo is exactly why I haven’t got a 10mm yet. For woods it’s.357 mag and for town it’s.40 S&W for me
Years ago when I shot my buddys Colt Delta Elite with some Winchester 10mm ammo from his stash he has had since before they started watering it down, I said wow this is sweet. Then I shot some current made 10mm ammo, what a disappointment it was like shooting a 40 S&W. I load my own 10mm now for that reason and the cost of factory ammo.
I have a buddy tell me these were some damn good loads. I took his word for it and had some of this in my Cart on bhammo and I just took it out. Thank you for this review. It’s a shame man, it truly is. Much like you, I didn’t pay what I did for the S&W M&P 2.0 10mm so I can pack ammo that performs like a 45 ACP. I’ll stick with my underwood and buffalo boar.
Another great trans-40S&W Subsonic find, Tools 😊
I agree with another commenter, you should have your own branded 10mm loading. Perhaps Speer 10mm T&T 1300 ft/sec loads 🔥
when Underwood was making 10mm with the gold dot projectile, it was an awesome round.
Yep
Great video man! I have to find a bullet you haven't tested for my channel's next test, LOL!
Thank you sir.😎👊
I see Tools & Targets, I click
Tools, test the WINCHESTER RANGER 147grain 9mm Blue Dot. Looks like a beast.
Man I always held Speer as the gold standard, no pun intended. This 10mm is pitiful! Thank you for your hard work and review! Saved me some money, I’ll grab some Buffalo Bore
Magtech is fairly good at 1200 fps (bottom line). I got good results for Fiocchi 10APHP and Atomic Ammunition as well.
DISAPPOINTING GOLD DOT IN 10MM SUCKS
I rolled my pointer over the thumbnail and see avg 971 and will go ahead and say NOT before I even watch it! lol Happy Friday! T&T-10! 💪💥💥
Those dang thumbnail previews give away too many spoilers!😂
Love your channel..what state are you in??
Southwest VA 😎👊
Brian, you're the reason I don't own a 10mm. If I loaded my own *real* 10mm, or the manufacturers grew a damn pair and started making proper ammo, I would love to have one.
Looks about perfect ....both deadly.
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Thanks for the testing. 10mm is all over the place with performance. I'll stick with 40 S&W 165 grainers at 1140 FPS. Cheaper ammo and just as effective until you get 10mm that'll punish your pistol..
357sig trumps both the 40sw and this 10mm by at least 100 fpe!!!
Super Vel has a 160gr 10mm load that's supposed to be doing 1,250, although their site doesn't say what barrel length/gun was used to achieve this. Still, seems like a round worth checking out.
since you have done more 10mm testing than anyone else on YT. could you do a comprehensive list (maybe 10) of the best 10mm carry ammo?
Seems like a great suppressed round
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I handloaded these as they should have been. 1250 fps. And boy do they expand! I had the same experience with the factory stuff very lethargic and lacking power. I happened to get my hands on some 200gr hst to reload believe it or not. I'm looking forward to loading them and comparing them to factory stuff
ill be sure to not buy any gold dots for my g20 from speer. This is pathetic and they charge a premium price for the rounds when the performance is below the 10mm standard. I have a few boxes from underwood from when they still loaded them but its a shame they no longer have them. I currently carry the 165 grain GDs from underwood. Thanks for all you do brother, you're really doing everybody a big service by showing what these "premium" companies are putting out so we dont have to waste our time and money carrying underperforming rounds for specific calibers. Greatly appreciated.
You've tested .40 S&W
I guess some people have just started following you. You tested 22lr to death till the punch came out. I know when you test everything that people ask for you’ll be done. Then you’ll move on to the next troubled round and test it to death till you find rounds that work. Keep up the good work Tools 🔫💨🍮🙁👑🛠️
It would be interesting to see comparison video between 45 acp and 45 gap.
THIS MAN TOLD ME HE HAD A BIG BAD ASS GUN THEN TO MY SURPRISE I SAW A 45 GAP THE FIRST TIME ON THE RANGE ... ! ! ! LMAO ...!!!!!!!
They should have used the 180 grain and made it hotter. The Gold Dot is a great bullet itself, but it needs to be loaded to decent velocity to work as its supposed to do. I bought some Double Tap 40 S&W 180 grain liaded with the Gold Dot bullet that is 150 fps faster than Speer loads theirs.
Double Tap and Grizzly Cartridge are the way to go if you want a proper loaded Gold Dot round especially in 10mm.
Or hand load yourself
Don't mess with Tool's ten mil. 😆
Someone at Speer got a gold star for a cost improved 10mm! 😊
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If you are paying attention 9mm one stop pistol rounds are regulated. The rest are being neutered or phased out.
I love your tests. But, I think vuewers would appreciate it, if you were to put a 5" KKM or Line Wolf barrel in your G20.
Great test as always. I highly value your opinion so have a question. I recently looked at and held a Smith& Wesson M&P Performance Center 10mm and the grips and trigger felt sooo good in my small hands compared to my G20. Have you ever shot one, held one, know anyone that has one, have an opinion of it? Any info you can give me I would greatly appreciate. I've told all my friends and coworkers about your channel and your my go to guy for ammo selection . Thanks for all you do, we know you put in a lot of hard work and your greatly appreciated sir!!
Appreciate that. I don't think I've even handled a standard version M&P 10mm. No reason why other than the same for any other 10mm besides Glock. I'll have to see if my local shop has one to check out though.😎👊
My buddy has one and likes it, carries it in state parks. I'm thinking about one too as my first 10mm.
Thanks for the info guys. I agree that the Glock is an excellent weapon Tools it just feels like a piece of stove wood in my little baby hands. Only complaint I have about it
I'm a fan of 10mm my own self. Let me reiterate an offer I made a few months ago. I have some of the original Factory Norma 10mm ammo, that came out with the Bren Ten, back in the day. Of course, it is no longer available. But I'd love to see how "the original 10mm ammo" would do in one of your tests. If you will agree to test it, I will send you some. Both 170 grain JHP and 200 grain FMJ FP.
Let me know...
I thought I replied on your last comment. You can email me at toolsandtargets@yahoo.com. 😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets You probably did reply to it, and I probably overlooked it. Sorry about that. :-) Email sent!
Another case for the 40.
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Speer Just needs to start selling those 200gr gold dots to underwood. Great video
YES!
The Gold Dot .40 S&W tested 6 months ago showed a little more power from slightly shorter barrels. It also expanded more but still penetrated over 17 inches. Curious if Speer is loading their 10mm light on purpose or if quality control slipped.
TOOL ... !!!!! THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR 40 AND 10MILL TEST.... !!!! WHEN YOU TALK 10MILL YOU TALK MONEY IN TODAY'S GREAT PRICES ... !!!!!! ""GO OLD JOE """ .... ITS NICE TO SEE WHAT TO BUY WHEN IT COMES TO 10MILL ... THANKS FOR TAKING IT ON THE CHIN ... !!!!!! GREAT VIDEO ..!!!!!!
Congrats on 73 k Buddy
Thank you sir. Always appreciate seeing this message.😎👊
Soon the make platinum dot deluxe let's see
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I know most 10mm could be more spicy, but if you consider that many of these 230gr 10mm factory loads are still moving at 115gr 9mm velocities, that is still impressive...
This 200 grainer isn't impressive at all.
@@ToolsandTargets Yeah, I saw that. It's a shame too. Glad you do these tests so we can avoid wasting money.
Use the 40 with Remington HTP. At least it sails through 32".
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