2022 College Rankings: Wealthy Private Universities Dominate, Again | WSJ
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I had the privilege and opportunity of studying at an Ivy League school for undergraduate. My recommendation is to go ONLY IF you receive a lot of money in financial grants from the university (money you don’t have to pay back) or your parents can afford it. Don’t go in debt for undergrad. Just go to your best state school. If you’re gonna spend big bucks for Ivy League, do it for law school, MBA, or MD.
Excellent advice!
Doesn't really matter for MD unless if interested in research or faculty positions.
@@fahdh yeah, MD it doesn’t really matter where you go. But just saying that paying full tuition for an MD at an Ivy League I wouldn’t argue against. But notice how I mentioned MD, JD, and MBA. Probably the only three graduate degrees with a positive ROI--depending on the school for JD and MBAs, not for MD as you may know.
what about math, econ or cs?? these software engineer, and quantitative analyst jobs pay really well.
Good advice. Ill add on to it by recommending going to a community college for your first two years and get rid of elective classes that will transfer over to a 4-year state institution that may have a partnership with the local community colleges that will all you to save money. If possible, pay as you go and avoid debt. Start your life quicker and debt free and realize in most cases, it doesn't matter what school you go to. Once you get that first job, experience will be the main factor looked upon moving forward in a career.
I don’t understand this criticism at all. OF COURSE wealthier universities are going to be better, because they can afford better teachers and better facilities. Idk why this would be shocking to anyone (unless you’re a journalist who clutches pearls for a living I guess)
Because it's unfair. Education should be a social ladder, rather than an elite club. The best education should be given to people who deserve it, who need it,rather than people who can afford it.
@@Hexane-gm3jh and why would these incredibly experienced/qualified/in-demand professors work at a university that won’t pay them as much? It’s not an issue of what anyone deserves, its just unrealistic to assume something free will ever be as good as something being payed for. That’s not a moral statement, it’s just how the world works.
@@DeSanto127 yah most of them have need based admissions and affirmative action, meaning once you get in as a poor student, you are pretty much fully covered.
@@DeSanto127 If teachers just teach for money they aint teachers. PERIOD
@@pundlik9012 Anyone at the top of their field is always going to demand compensation for their skill and experience. You’re approaching this with a moralistic/idealistic attitude but what your saying is not how the world actually works in a practical sense. They are the best teachers in their respective fields and are paid accordingly, whether you agree with their morals or not.
Joke: How do you know if someone you just met went to Harvard? Answer: He will tell you very shortly after introducing himself.
We have the same joke about Apache Pilots in the Army 😉
Those people peak in undergrad
"When I was at Harvard, they taught us how to work 'when I was at Harvard' into every conversation."
Hahaha this is funny. But let’s agree it super hard to get there
he /she /they
for Academic Itself Rankings......Undergraduate.
1. Harvard
2. MIT
3. Princeton
4. Stanford
5. Chicago
6. Yale
7. Cal Tech
8. Duke
9. Penn
10. Columbia
11. UC Berkeley
12. JHU
13. Northwestern
14. Brown
15. UCLA
16. Cornell
17. Rice
18. Vanderbilt
19. Dartmouth
20. ND
Because you don’t measure the value of college in the right way. We need to measure student growth from baseline regardless of inputs to get a true measure of what the academic value chain is worth.
This comment needs to be higher up. If your school only admits the wealthy and valedictorians/national merit scholars, then of course you're going to have great outcomes.
This is the whole problem with Caltech (where I attend). The school provides almost no support, but the students they admit are already really really smart (except for me lol), so of course they do well. The outcomes are a product of the exclusivity not the school itself. It’s telling that Forbes (which took this into account) ranked caltech 40th this year, the lowest ever
1. How do you measure 'student growth'? Height? Weight? Salary? Followers on Instagram?
2. "regardless of inputs"? Are you sure about that? So if you pour resources worth one million dollars to a student at one college and they have 'grown' same as another student at a different college where they received only ten thousand dollars worth of resources, both colleges have the same value?
Asian countries do what the US used to do...require rigorous entrance exams as the determining factor.
Couldn’t find their “best value” list anywhere. They only published their “top schools” list. If anybody can find the best value one please link it.
Graduate student at The Johns Hopkins University. Excited to see my school’s good ranking and performance in 2022 through WSE/THE ranking evaluation. I love my school !!
They definitely paid for the Ranking
@@saumya_42 JHU is a great institution. Nevertheless, working hard and making the right connections is way more important than just the name on someone's degree.
What is "environment?" Is it openness to inquiry? That seems much diminished from even a few decades ago, and the quality of scholarship seems to be following.
Thanks for the video. Very informative.
you mean that rich people pay to give their children the advantage over the poor? really!!!!!
Nice job! Keep continew.
More important than the alleged prestige/ratings of a college is the dedication of the student. Further, the sticker price of a college often doesn't take into consideration the financial aid package available to those who need it.
I had the privilege of attending CUNY-City College of New York for my undergrad in mechanical engineering, Johns Hopkins for graduate degree (paid for by current employer - top defense technology company), I’d say I got a BANG for my buck. 😁
I am actually studying Mechanical Engineering right now? Lockheed M? Northrup? Raytheon? Just wanted to take a guess lol
'Privilege' of attending CUNY... Hmm...
Nice video.
Teachers College Columbia University- Columbia University’s Graduate School of Education and Psychology was ranked #1 this year (2024) in the category of graduate schools of education.
This institution was not a part of any controversy.
input will always be high if the minimum score margins are high. At least students get a chance to try as many times, country like India getting into top Tier 1 uni for the degree is only twice and environment ranking would way low.
I’m surprised UC Berkeley is not on the list.
Brain like Berkeley
What's interesting though is they used video shots of the Berkeley campus and iconic structures like the Sather Gate!
They lost it since 2015
This is for Times Higher Education. Berkeley topped the Forbes list
@@jkjkhoyolula but why? If you look for example at Nobel Prizes UCB is 3rd, only below Harvard and Cambridge. You'd suggest that that's not a bad university in that case right?
Great to see the University of Houston at #1 again
College loans is a trap
Gil, they sure are!
@@monicaperez2843 that’s why I don’t loan
if you're going to be an engineer then just go to your state school - if you're going for a womyn's degree then try Ivy - on second thought - if you're smart enough for an Ivy then do engineering at your state school
Brown is better than Princeton??
Northwestern is better than U Chicago??
Forbes rankings are much better....
Took me 16 years to pay my Columbia U grad loans. arrgh!
How can Cal Tech be included in these rankings? It is a technical institute not a normal university. Including it is like comparing apples and oranges.
Cal Tech ties with MIT for science and research programs. This is not a technical school that you are thinking of, by technical we are talking cutting edge technology.
Can someone kindly explain why Princeton is at #8? I was a bit shocked to see it there. I'm not studying there rn, just curious.
Cause it’s been overrated for years. Idk why it’s number one in US News tbh. Brown, Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Penn are all way better.
@@Borrister I don’t think that’s necessarily the case, but I also don’t think Princeton is #1 per say. I think that when u get to this point of the top 5-15 universities, they’re each the best/close to the best at some things and others are better at other things. For example, Princeton is better than Penn at engineering, but Penn is definitely better in business.
@@star831 maybe. But Princeton doesn’t pull the top engineering applicants. MIT does. Penn pulls the top business applicants.
@@Borrister cal tech may be tougher than MIT in STEM
If graduate school is a major factor in the rankings then it might make some sense for Princeton to be ranked lower, as their main focus is undergraduate. But MIT and Caltech are also highly ranked without having a Med school or Law school.
Of course that's the outcome. The endowment at Harvard is over 50 billion. That's crazy. The rankings will never change much looking at the top 20 institutions.
The University of California system is one of the best in the U.S., it says so much about a person to be offered admission into it ... :P
No one has heard of Berea College...how much they pay to be on tht list fr
It has no tuition that’s how it’s good value
@@brennenkellner5291 y is there no tuition?
how much they paid?
$28.76
also Duke is no where in the top 5 its world ranking is like 50th or something
@@xilunjiang317 is a us ranking not a world one
What are the criteria for ranking schools i wonder 0:38? Whut 0:58
I went to average universities and in the employment arena I have consistency dominated (in terms of performance outcomes) people educated from these so called prestigious universities. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
"what can we learn from this year's report?"
that the times higher education university rankings is friggin' rigged!! how did it take you so long to figure THAT out?
One thing i have to say: thank god that i live in Brazil and could graduate in a good university for free. Thanks the University of São Paulo, i could get a better live
eita achei um br, estou no terceiro ano do ensino médio e quero muito passar na USP esse ano, sua experiência lá foi legal? quero engenharia química . Também sempre quis saber se o prestígio da faculdade faz alguma diferença na hora de procurar emprego ou não
According to the univ.; Harvard (except for a few privileged ones) requires high school GPA of >4.0(~73-75%), ranked no.1 out of 2,000 coll./univ. from 90 countries.
Can you guys make video or index for similar ranking for PhD . Some country paid for PhD some not . Yes , these think consider after research interest matching . But do ruffly .
if you don't get a full ride for your PhD and a generous stipend then you should not be doing a PhD - simple enough for you?
Princeton and Columbia are crapping themselves rn
There's too many rankings out there for these two to be concerned. I am not sure anyone sees WSJ ranking as the definitive ranking. Students still prefer the US news ranking.
@@Salmiyaguy1 Sounds like you might be affiliated with one of those two universities lol! It's okay. We still recognize you as part of good-ish institutions. Peace and blessings.
@@You-dh1du Columbia grad yes, but I was referring to feedback on college blogs such as College Confidential. students seem to reference USnews the most for their college application choices.
@@You-dh1du well to be fair, people going to top universities know that rankings of top universities can never be completely accurate. So you can’t actually take these rankings too seriously. Columbia and Princeton are still top schools for sure, whether or not the rankings reflect it, there’s stuff in these schools that are better compared to other schools that may not have been taken into consideration and that’s why they might be lower on the list. Nevertheless, they’re still one of the top schools.
@@Salmiyaguy1 You clicked on the vid. You're obviously curious about other rankings outside US News. Listen, all college rankings are arbitrary lol. Ivy league students tend to be so ranking-concerned, hence, my initial comment that Columbia and Princeton are crapping themselves rn to be ranked not top-5 for once.
Is there an international University rankings list?
Yes, but it's useless because when the criteria includes things like the salary of the people who have graduated then countries with higher salaries will go up the rankings even if their universities are awful.
And the criteria can very very vague, like the environment. Zurich University has a nice view of the Alps and everywhere in Switzerland is clean no one will drop any rubbish, but does it really make sense that the environment is actually a major factor.
These American universities should drop down the rankings with gun violence and other types of violence that is in the country. But that's not going to happen because the the ranking has to be bias in faviour of them.
Yes. Oxford University is currently top.
@@matthewbaynham6286 if things like salary were a major factor, then US colleges would dominate.
@@capitalb5889 that's a reason why US universities do so well.
@@matthewbaynham6286 - not in surveys that discount it. The US is a rich country and Ivy League degrees tend to attract a disproportionately higher salary, which is probably a result of status and connections rather than the quality of the university.
Saying that, in the QS rankings, US universities get 5 of the top 10 and 9 of the top 20, so pretty good going.
Edit: saying that, I haven't checked the QS criteria, so could have been spouting nonsense.
Double edit: the QS rankings don't consider salary
Josh Hawley went to Stanford just saying. Don’t think too highly of anyone just because they were rich enough to get into these schools.
Except when you go into his Wikipedia page and click the “early life and education” tab it listed there that he was valedictorian at his high school and he graduated from Stanford with highest honors. His professor at Stanford (David M. Kennedy) said Hawley stood out in a school "which is overstuffed with overachieving and very talented young people," and has described Hawley as "arguably the most gifted student I taught in 50 years."
So maybe before you go take a jab at someone who is clearly on whole another high level than you, take a look in a mirror.
Jared Kushner went to Harvard because of nepotism
@@supermodelwannabe Not nepotism but because his father pledged $1.2 million to Harvard. His school counselor said everyone was shocked, as he didn't have best grades, etc
@@yudhatand285 The comment was talking about his ideology, not intelligence, and his involvement in the Capitol riot. Duh
Colleges were a place where students could express their opinions and a accept criticism. Nowadays you have students that act hostile and even resort to violence at times to someone having a different opinion.
This just in: the grass is green
Outcome is really the only thing that matters. I know people with advanced degrees but they are struggling financially.
Related anecdotes:
Over the summer I worked at a factory at which a former NASA employee with a master's degree in math and "a year and a half towards a PhD," as he put it, became employed. He performed the same low-skilled tasks as I and most other employees.
My best friend's girlfriend has a PhD in electrical engineering but hasn't been able to find work for the several years since she earned it.
This is true. What matters most is your social network. Who you know gets you a job not what you can do.
@@midlander8186 that might be because only morons get PhD's in engineering - does absolutely nothing for you and identifies you as a dilettante
If you don’t do stem med or law don’t get an expensive degree !
Duke at #5 is questionable. Very questionable
it seems that you're going off from your personal opinion. at least WSJ did some research.
@@roho8515 More than likely someone in charge of the rankings went to Duke
And Berkeley not even in top 30.
Don’t take rankings too seriously. They should only serve as a baseline and nothing more, rankings are extremely subjective and everyone’s list will always be different. If you want the actual rankings, do your own research and come to your own conclusions.
College rankings are highly politicized and manipulated. Those well funded schools can expend resources to lobby, swoon, influence peddling for a better result.
@02:41 where is UC Berkeley?
Johns Hopkins is about as hard core STEM research as it gets in the USA for undergraduates. Definitely not a school where you go to watch football games (maybe lacrosse) and definitely not a boozy tailgating fun time for non-serious students. It is for hard core serious nerds, some of whom are well rounded, but many of whom are just brilliant. Baltimore is not the loveliest place in the USA but the school rocks if you are seriously into state of the art research. It is not where fun goes to die (that would be the University of Chicago) but it is definitely not for those who are not career focused and not academically serious. If you consider reading Scientific American to be recreational periodical reading, then you will love Johns Hopkins.
Shocking fact: better universities are ones which receive greater funding. Better-funded universities are expensive. Better universities are expensive. Life is unequal, deal with it. The top universities aren’t elite by coincidence.
Not true. UC Berkely gets more Nobel prizes and does more for its students than anyone on this list. This is jut a list of big endowments. Cal State San Jose takes students with 800 SAT's and places them in great silicon valley jobs and it does it for peanuts. Among business schools, it is the same way. Harvard only accepts people making $100 K per year. IESE turns people making $30 K into people making $100 K.
What about Saint Leo University
Ivy League, where numbers in the bank account is more important than their SAT score.
Not true.
I mean unless you’re writing a check worth 10s of millions of dollars, that’s not really true.
@@star831 exactly.
Ever heard of financial aid :p ?
Go Huskies!
1:42 Woah! That girl in the front forgot to wear pants.
How do they measure “student engagement “? Some of the factors they looked at don’t seem relevant.
Anybody with a sane mind would tell you rankings are detrimental to education and don't reflect the real situation. How do you even make a difference between top universities, it makes no sense
Don’t take rankings too seriously.
My hubby and I go to one of these top ranked private school. (I don’t want to name it) but let me just say the higher the ranking of the school, the more the environment is throat cut and brute competition. I seen several people who started off as friends at first and then by the end of first year of grad school they pretty forgot about the others existence 😂…. So if ranking doesn’t matter to you as much; go to a school you will enjoy cuz the 4 years in undergrad and whatever years in grad school are the best part of life! Enjoy it don’t stress yourself out cuz you have your entire life for that
Good points. An applicant should consider the best fit. People differ in their preferences for factors such as location, class size, available majors, extracurriculars, etc. If possible, visit various campuses and talk to current students. Above all, as stated above, don't stress. Learning should be and can be fun.
Oh, go ahead and say where you go. It wouldnt be arrogant or anything at this point. Also, what do you major in? Just curio
@@blackbaron2572 I don’t want to name them 😬 but I’m in medical school
@@sonia_shah hmmm. Well, i can respect that. If its here in Texas watch out, youre in nut country. Well congratulations on getting into a good med school. I bet youre probably smart and motivated. Unfortunately, it will most likely all be for not (naught). You see, in the near future the world will be taken over and run by cats. We will find them to be surprisingly wise and benevolent dictators. Or if that doesn't happen there's always the Fermi paradox. Associated with famous Italian physicist Enrico Fermi. Well, not to bother you too much more but maybe you could say why you wanted to go to med school. I guess the main reason i ask is...well, just the curiosity if a psych major. Why ppl do what they di. What motivates them, etc. Anyhow, i bet it's cuz you saw Silence of the Lambs isnt it? That's what all doctors say. They decided to become doctors after watching the Silence of the Lambs
@@sonia_shah you have already given your identity away even if didn't intend to, by using your full name (I do too) and then saying you are in med. Public knows the schools you attended and where you are.
What is engagement
And what is environment?
It would be hard to distinguish how much of the outcomes are due to the schools and how much are due to predetermined factors
With thousands of alumni you can establish a pretty strong trend or average. Predetermined factors get filtered out in large samples
So what is the total bill for Harvard?
Yes.
Zero for the vast majority people if they can get in. Their tuition is super high, but their aid is also insanely generous.
If you’re a very hard worker and you get in, you’ll get as much financial aid as you need
Please sign here, here, and here.
Total bill can be zero if you can showed-up, proven & deserves to be in it 😃
Lol WSJ ranking waaaay off: Columbia and U Penn are top 10 … also where is Berkeley???
Forbes list about ROI is better than this one imo
I hope my son will be accepted by the University of Florida, next Friday we'll find out!
what happened?
They should not be tax exempt
Got that right
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what is the best known major at Harvard?
sociology and gender studies
Law and MBA I think
economics
@@jetli12321 Nah, it is for Caltech or maybe MIT.
@@rocketman3770 you can work on well street with those majors 🥴(if you are from Harvard)
They must be good because they charge more. When you pay more you get better. Common sense.
Look whats happening in Australia...that's what is coming for us!
what's happening in Australia?
Wut?
Go Land Crabs!
The US is ranked 27th in the Global Social Mobility Index. It ranks below countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Austria and the Netherlands. When the Founding Fathers drafted the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution was their objective to build a new nation where social mobility was worse than in the old colonial powers of Europe? The US has lost its way when it comes to equality of access to education, healthcare and the inclusiveness of institutions. The US is no longer the youthful pioneering upstart, the land of opportunity...it's now a middle-aged nation, which like all mature states needs to take stock of whether it has lost sight of its founding objectives and ideals. We're seeing this play out in the tertiary education sector, but that's merely the canary in the coal mine.
These ranking are fixed and are not based on academics greatly. Ivy league means a sports conference and not academics. Some Ivy league schools are great some below average. For choosing a school talk to an expert in your subject of interest. Two schools can not be ranked they are too tiny yet have more Nobel Prizes than many of the top schools which are not larger but much larger than these. These are the super schools the Rockefeller (earlier Rockefeller Institute) University and Cal-tech. While Nobel Prizes are not without politics yet do give information., Both have produced huge amount of genuine Nobel Prizes more than all Ivy league schools except Harvard which is several hundred fold larger than Rockefeller.
I still say Yale is the best indoctrination camp
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I think the Figure for Stanford is actually from Princeton
Wokism at campus should also be considered. It should negatively affect the rankings indeed!
But where is the Oxford?
Oxford is in England
@@I-Know-Best he asked for Oxford, Mississippi
@@pouetpouet941 I don’t think he is
They only published the US part. Oxford crushes them all globally lol.
@@TheLunoLion1 for some majors, yes and others,no. But definitely not “crushes”
The rankings don't make sense to me
Better go to some Canadian universities
Columbia and Chicago are so off
I graduated from two of these top 10 schools for undergrad and law school. I got a great education but the rankings are largely irrelevant hype. They have really had a negative impact on higher education, and are lamentable.
Another great metric would be to compute the ratio of endowment! That is, what % of total endowment is generated from their own alums? Harvard comes at the top for both!!!
Not a great metric in my opinion. That metric is like a diluted version of outcome. Outcome in general is what matters whether they give back to the university or not shouldn’t matter.
@@atrbulldog5955
However u put it, still a measure of success! A tangible common denominator for those successful ones! 🤨
What about James Madison-university I will be the. Best college 2022
Where on earth is Columbia?
16th in their list lol.
Yea don’t take their rankings too seriously, there’s definitely bias.
Yeah they are morons. WSJ obsolete…
Ivory towers
is the narrator casually explained?
Ain’t THAT THE TRUTH!! 👎🏻
Everyone is equal in the United States….. Not
Boston college and Boston university??
W
trash list where is Berkeley
Wealthy private indoctrination camps
Univ rankings does not matter in the big scheme of life.
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I hope they go bankrupt
These rankings are a joke.
Top school is still Oxford, of course.
My first
This is not the top 10 per the THES rankings.
So layout your top 10.
I need admission in Harvard Law School
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What do guys think UVA’s ranking is?
fOuRth
Our education falls to dead last place in the world it can't compete with home schooling and the world
who really cares
I’m glad education is completely paid with our taxes in Denmark. Actually, you get a salary to from the government while you are a student. Lol. America is a crazy place. So much wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. Imagine if you could give the opportunity for people to go to college if they wanted to. The economy would be 10x greater.
Here in America, our taxes go in the 🕳
I’m from US sounds like a dream...is the wealth inequality there apparent in Denmark, how is minimum wage?
@@earth2386 Minimum wage is high in scandinavia, but it's almost impossible to be very well off. Everyone kind of have a similar salary and extreme taxes. VAT alone is around 25%. Low self service hiring becausze it's too expensive so most people have to DIY imagine ikea life.
Yea but your schools are garbage in comparison to the Ivy League.
@@good-tn9sr The Average and Median salaries in Denmark are higher than that of the USA. So their education system is better.
Where is UCLA?
How does this have 3 likes
USC should be top 10
No it shouldn’t. No ranking has ever put USC in top 10.
🧢
Bruh, USC is a meme. Not at the level of Ivy Leagues/Stanford/Caltech/Chicago/MIT, etc.
@@Borrister a meme? Lol you’re delusional. Rankings say otherwise. USC is one of the greatest colleges ever. Why else would so many celebrities and CEOs try to pay their way in for their child to attend USC? USC produces the 4th most billionaires in the world at 11. They are academically on par with the likes of Stanford, UC Berkeley and UCLA. ALL elite California colleges that are extremely difficult to get into with lower than a 17% acceptance rate. USC may not be Ivy league, but they certainly are more well-rounded overall. Doesn’t hurt that the sports programs are legendary as well.
@@meetseth3 Stop being such a USC fanboy. USC is a great school and right in line with top California schools Berkeley and UCLA. Stanford is a tier above. It’s great but not top 10 in the US. You’re being delusional if you think that.