Bahco Vs. Silky: Battle Of The Bushcraft Saws - Preparedmind101
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2015
- Chris, Jessie, and Will attempt to figure out the answer to one of the hottest debates in bushcraft gear: Which is the better saw, the Bahco Laplander or the Silky Pocketboy? Both sides insist their saw is the better. So IS there a clear winner?
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P.S it's about using less energy!!!!! Not witch one is faster!!!!
joseph dube exactly! I don't get why this few seconds would matter in the woods
How fast is witch 2 then? Are their brooms different sizes? 🤷♂️
@@sibeliusjohannes2660 I thought that too, but it really depends on how much energy you have and if you are older you don't want to expend all of your energy on the action of sawing wood...so, the easier and faster, the better. I ordered the Silky so I will find out if I chose badly...then I'll get the other one. I live in a place where I cut wood all the time and having a light, portable handsaw is appealing.
there is no "special technique". it is this way on all eastern style saw blades...not just silky....they cut on the pull....that's it. we need to remember that the silky saws are meant for arborists....not bush craft. the saw blades are made to give the smoothest cut possible so the tree doesn't get too traumatized thus allowing disease to nail it. the bahco is total bush craft. this comparison it's kinda like comparing apples to oranges. they are both excellent for the job they are meant for.
the only thing that is important is that u bring SOME TYPE OF SAW to cross cut the wood. unless u rock the axe and only an axe.
@Mike DeGrasse Tyson Bahco is Swedish, bushcraft is an ancient tradition and part of their culture going way back, there's no dividing line in Sweden between actually having to live like that as people did in the past, and what we now call bushcraft.
The bloopers are hilarious, it's amazing you guys get anything done while your out filming. "bye, I love you"... Lmfao
haha! The bloopers are too funny! loved it.
Great review btw, looks very honest and unbiased, I appreciate that.
Your videos are getting more and more entertaining all the time.
great video you guys. some serious stuff some funny stuff, some good info and some good demonstrations. keep em coming chris, jessi and will
So, I got my Silky 240, I cut some Maple and Hickory with the Gomboy and the Bacho, and the Corona saws. The Silky did the best with the Corona a close second. The Bacho is now retired to my home work bench.
Some comments from someone looking to purchase a first bushcraft saw with little knowledge of either, but also experience using Japanese (Eastern) woodworking saws:
- There is a *huge* difference between Eastern and Western saws. Western saws are designed to be used on the *push* stroke. Eastern saws are designed to be used on the *pull* stroke. This is the *technique* that people are referring to.
- Saws that cut on the pull stroke can be made much thinner since they do not need to be stiff. This allows for less material to be removed, resulting in less effort required to make a cut.
- If you try to use an Eastern saw with Western technique it will give terrible performance -- it will cut slowly and bind/buckle.
- It seems very clear that you are trying to use Western technique with both saws.
My suggestion is to read up on the proper usage of Japanese/Eastern woodworking saws, practice that with the Silky, and do this video again. That's a video I'd really like to see.
rockets4kids i
that that is very retarded of them to make a "review" when they dont even know this simple fact.
Not to mention a dull blade against a new saw??? Lol Come on now..
Hey Chris, another Great vid. For the record I have a Bahco and never felt the need for any other. It works great for processing deer also (as in cutting bone)
Great vid guys. Really no wrong choice there.
I used a Woodzig for decades (Only cut on the pull) It still cuts like a banshee.
Bought a Silky and used it for about five years now. Works fine.
Just bought a Bahco for a new kit. Looking forward to seeing how it does.
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Watching you guys, I was seeing you bind up a lot on the Bahco, which is the reason I prefer the Silky. I can push my hand against the tree, and pull on the Silky without binding. Push cuts are where you get binding and even your video shows that.
I actually ended up picking up a Fiskars one, the blade on it is similar to the Silky. but it looks like I may also pick up the Silky one now after watching this review. So far the fiskars one has been great, but I like the way the silky cuts.
I laughed to tears at the outtakes great stuff you guys
I just got back 396jt pull only blade. Where does that leave me? Can't find any info or comparisons on it
Wow this is a crazy topic to tackle. I love my Bacho it cuts great. After driving over it with my car and its still ripping logs apart. In the end and I have seen MANY of these vids if it cuts and it is comfortable in your hand you bought the right saw. Finally a honest saw video. good job guys.
take care
Mark
I'm just glad to see a video where the saws are used side by side instead of people laying them on a table or taking them out of a box and saying this one is better than that one.Thanks!
"Maybe I'm just.... better at this than you..." hahaha love that dude!
You’re blooper outtakes are hysterical!!!
I've owned and used the Bahco Laplander and the Silky Gomboy. I like the Bahco. I'm a retired carpenter and have used a saw or two.
Good video, liked the outtakes at the end that was funny.
My woodworking saws were all Japanese saws, which are all pull saws. mostly because I could never get the technique right with western push saws (kept binding and flexing the blades). I love my Silky Pocket Boy. I bought one complete saw with a fine teeth (for dry wood), and a spare blade with course teeth (for green wood), and switch in whichever in appropriate for the task at hand.
I liked that you two raced with each blade. I liked seeing Jesse try. Glad you had her try with the newer Bahco. Look forward to seeing you working and continuing to teach Jesse!
Thank you for using the saws on the appropriate size branches. Unlike some others who feel a folding saw works on tree trunks.
Favorite channel on CZcams. Keep it up bro!
Great vid! I use saws for grafting and pruning so whats important is the ability to get in tight spots to minimally damage other branches AND make clean smooth cuts on 1-3" dia branches. Am i correct the silky you had there made it possible to lock the handle for a pistol grip? I didnt see this in the product literature....
good video , I,ve never used a silky pocket but have used a silky zubat , not sure about your one but mine cuts only on the pull , so it doesn't matter how thin or flexible the blade is , they are great for pruning tree branches
I'm a die hard SIlky fan: being a climber for a master arborist and then going solo with my own customers. But in this context, sure, get which ever one you like. I wouldn't trade my Ibuki, Katanaboy, Hayauchi pole saw for anything other than other Silkys, but I can see where for bushcrafting, either one would work well (an arborist also considers a saw as a surgical tool so how clean it cuts through the cambium matters). Great test and I enjoyed your video. Thank you.
Funny bloopers at the end, glad you included them.
I personally changed from the Bahco to a Fiskars Xtract. The saw is a little shorter, but its teeth just eats wood compared to the Bahco.
That would be a saw i'd like to see on a follow-up test :)
Great video fair and unbiased demo, hilarious outtakes too btw
Great vid. I always like the outtakes; hilarious.
Another great video. It's great that you get into real use. I hate saw reviews that deal only with speed also. To many variables, as you mentioned , pressure, stroke speed (haha) , but also wood density variation, thickness etc, etc. I have the Bahco, Silky Gomboy, Fiskars and Sven saw, Got to say For weight comfort,I prefer the Bahco. However all cut well so no bad one.
great review and the takeouts is fantastic addition
Thanks for all the info you give us.
I just ordered a Bahco 396-LAP. Glad I did.
arborist probably like the slky because it is designed to cut on the pull stroke, like all tree pruning saws.
I have a Bacho Laplander, and I'm a woman. I love it. I have never tried the Silky, but if someone had one, I'd give it a whirl. I am perfectly happy with the one I have though. I also like the black blade on the Bacho, the Silky is very shiny. It is great to get a woman to try this stuff out too, because I like to hear their experience as well. I think you nailed this review. Well done!
Well Said , i have a silky and a bahco and i love both. Great job and discussion.
Great side-by-side comparison, especially agree with personal preference needing to be considered.
Nice review guys,
I like the Bahco better also. Just about everything you were sawing my F37 will take care of quick and easy, but saws do have their place. Can't wait for the F51 ans F52 to come out!
Great tip on the one hand thing - how did he make it better for a striking rods and debark?
Ouch - just keep you finger away from the saw when you close it if you do the one hand trick. I'm bleeding now 2 places from my finger! Just be aware!!!
I was practicing opening and closing and adjusting the screw...
Hay y'all thanks for the video. IV used the bacho as well as several different silkeys. All are great but my personal 2 favorite saws are the silky pocket boy and the silky big boy. Thanks again guys
"The sun is not in line with jupiter" ha ha ha, love it. @5:25
Thank you for inspiring me to purchase a Bahco folding saw for my BOB!
Hands down the best comparison I've seen. Nicely done guys.
+Feral Woodcraft which one's your pick, never mind I'm subbed to you, lol.
It depends really. If it's in a kit for that hypothetical survival situation I'd pick the bahco. For normal use (dirt time, putzing, backpacking, etc) I take the silky. The silky is more efficient in my opinion but one bad stroke and the blade can snap where as the bahco is much more forgiving.
All that said, for a kit built with survival in mind, bahco has it in spades. Just my opinion.
+Feral Woodcraft funny you brought up the blade snapping. I've owned both saws, not this newer silky model but with that said the first week I used the silky it snapped on me so I went out and got me a Bahco and it still works like the first time I used it.
Mine has never snapped but I have read many say theirs has and I know one guy whose did. I have bent mine however. If you're tired and not paying attention (bring in the hypothetical survival situation) I can see it easily happening.
Hello, based on your experience the hacksaw Silky Pocket Boy is truly the finest on the market?
I got the Corona (large) razor tooth saw with custom kydex, and the Silky Gomboy (stupid names) with large teeth on the way.
Silky and Corona are neck and neck. Bahco is not even in the running.
but my question is how well does it stay sharp?
I totally agree with you Chris, its all about your choice. how heavy is the seven saw?
Great job on the video and i might try them both to see like you said witch one fits me better! i can understand what you are saying about the hole what knife is better and all, Go with the one that works better for you!!! Not the one everyone SAYS is better!
Bonjour
So which one is the best ?
how exactly do you sharpen a saw?
Let's see a video of Jessie putting her kit together
+Stanley Sprow Funny I want to see a video of Jessie taking her kit off lmao ;p
+Dod Lug lmao
one things for sure, I'd much rather share my survival shelter with Jessi then Chris or Will.
+Mark Deshaies will is a sexy beast though! Haha :D
the thing about pull stroke saws is that they will literally only catch in the wood if you're trying to cut on the push stroke. the pull keeps the blade under tension, which is why the blade can be thinner. And the blade is thinner because it allows the same cut with removing less material, aka a faster cut.
that said the handle does look more comfortable on the bahco. thats a real concern. And i dont know which is easier to sharpen. I know my gyokucho is basically impossible to sharpen. you just have to buy a new blade. if the silky is that way, thats a big disadvantage.
at 2:56 I love your explanation/directions on how to cut wood! It made me laugh. thanx for that
hey Chris, does the 270 silly cut on push and pull stroke?
silky takes less energy then fighting the forward cut of the bahco
I like forward cut
@@mikefiles2087
Alot of people like forward cutting, but with alot of folks it is also due to their personal muscle development, a pull and push use different muscles
"Put it in wood and move it back and forth, wood becomes two pieces." I love Chris' to the point, no nonsense style, plus he cracks me up.
Truth. And after a long day on the trail and having set up camp and are trying to get a fire going before they lose the light, there's a good chance the user will be tired and/or in a hurry and not focusing on their technique, which is an absolute requirement with Japanese-style pull saws. So I'd rather have the more forgiving saw for this kind of application.
G'day Chris, Jessie & Will, Best outtakes yet! More please!
I like the bloopers at the end man keep that in the other videos
"Put it in wood, push it back and forth, wood becomes two pieces..." I love that!
Get ready for the comments! (Puts opinion helmet on)
I have both and truly flip a coin between the two when I go out. Literally, different strokes for different folks. For me? Bahcos easier, Silky slightly quicker. Maybe. Silky a little better on green wood, bahco a little better in dead? All so slight. Nice seeing them used. I like the folding bow saws a little more than the hand saws.
+PREPAREDMIND101 Love them both... Use a Silky Ultra Accel Curve at work and Bahco Laplander on my spare time...
+CedricAda Gear and Outdoors think I'll buy both myself. Silky "technique" but two out of this vid seem to do well with the Silky without ever hearing of the technique.
+PREPAREDMIND101 I've never used a Silky. So I can't say which is 'better', but I do know which is the most popular among bushcrafters, and that's the Bahco Laplander. How do I know this, besides the fact that everyone I know who uses these things in the outdoors carries a Bahco Laplander? Amazon. Whenever you look at something that's popular among bushcrafters -- bank line, Mora Bushcraft Black, paracord, etc... -- and look at the 'frequently bought with' section, there's usually a Bahco Laplander there. I don't recall ever seeing a Silky saw in one of those lists!
I've also never really understood the whole 'how fast does it cut' argument. I mean, we're not felling the forest here. We're cutting a few poles or getting some firewood. If it takes a few seconds longer with one saw that it does with the other, so what? It doesn't matter. What I want is the one that I know isn't going to break on me and leave me in the woods without a saw! That's what I care about, and I've heard about a lot of broken Silky saws but never a broken Laplander!
EDIT: I just noticed this mistake, "How do I know this, besides the fact that everyone I know who uses these things in the outdoors carries a Silky?" Yep, my brain was thinking 'Bahco Laplander', but somehow my fingers typed 'Silky'. That happens something. I'm trying to type one word, but my fingers revolt and type something else! Damn fingers. Anyway, it's fixed now. ;-)
+PREPAREDMIND101 I'll let you in on the secret Silky technique: use little force on the pull, none on the push. That's why Jessi was more successful with the Silky, she let the saw do the cutting.
Man I was just researching this yesterday...Damn Chris it's like your always reading my mind lol!
I liked the caterpillar on your shoulder at about 12:30. Lol. Also great comparison!
Hands down best video of saw comparisons ever......so many variables to consider....size....person....pressure.......that's how you should review things......I make the IRIDIUM STOVES for backcountry trips......it's got pros and cons to be considered...ITS ALL WHAT YOU LIKE
I really do hope you do a review of the Corona 10" Razor Saw. I think it actually does perform better than either of these, and costs about the same as the Bahco.
Thoes outtakes lol....Good review guys and Jessie....that was neat the way Will held that limb with his legs when he was cutting it.
Good review
Good video, one thing that is a big deal to me is how much do items weigh, I want the lightest options. I would like to see in your comparasin videos a weight comparison. Even just a flash up caption. That would rock for all the weight concerned people. Great video. Thanks for the work.
i have a silky and dont think you need technique just dont hurry and saw like a normal person if you saw too fast it will work against you and could brake
Isnt not hurrying a technique though? 🤔
I keep a Bahco in my Hydropack when Mountain Biking, and have cleared up to about a 4" Tree across the trails, worked great so no reason to try anything else.
In response to Will's comment on not knowing of silky broken blades. I have seen videos with broken Silky saws, Joe Robinet broke one and Scrambled O broke one. Hey you all thanks for all of your videos you share with us. - Marco
Love the out takes
I have neither I purchased a corona from Lowes its great cuts on the pull & its red n black thought about getting a baco too
Great Review!
Chris I have an aborists silky saw. The blade both push and pull cut teeth, comes with 5 year guarantee and the blade Japanese made. It's superb
Thanks Chris!
good arguments! (good to have 3 testers simultaneously, it proved your point: the human factor is the decisive one).
Personally if I have to cut something I always use my machete (as all southamericans would), and reserve a folding saw for the precision working. I really like the silky f180, but between these 2 here I go for Bahco.
Considerations as price for the tool and for a replacement blade are also important, as well as to know how long are the blades going to be sharp... but above all the comfort of the handle is for me of the utmost importance (how ergonomic it is, how much force do you have to apply, how does it feel if you have to cut a lot of stuff...) "cutting speed" does not mean much, it is rather important to know with which saw you get less tired and your hands suffer less (blisters, etc)
greetings from wild, wet and windy west Patagonia
Chris, the Silky seemed to perform better over all. I have used many different saws over the years, and I prefer the silky over all of them. I use the Silky Gomboy Large teeth. In your comparison, were the size of the teeth comparable? That too, will make a large difference in speed. Since the Silky cuts on the pull stroke only I found it easier to use when Buschcrafting alone and holding the wood, it only has to be truly braced one direction.
Great review yo...
They stay sharp for years with all day , every day use. Like comparing a eastwing framin hammer to a kobalt. Theres a reason professional house framing carpenters use a eastwing. Great vid. Keep up the good work .
Good Vid. I own a silky and love it. Nobody can deny the popularity of the Bahco, though.
I guess this review is nice. I am trying to decide on what saw to buy and this review is helpful.
Although I do not usually see video longer that 12 minutes. This one is just interesting. All talks are related and sensible to the issue. Other reviews are full of long talks that has nothing to do with the subject. kudos!
The out takes were fantastic
Great comparison you guys did a great job keeping an unbiased open mind. I believe pull saws are a little easier for finesse cuts using less power. Which might be why Jessi preferred it, more of a refined cut than just beasting through it. Those outtakes where awesome, I love how Jessi is just like oh no they're bickering again and don't be mad at me blame Will!
Lol, the Kirby guy was speechless when I asked him at the end of his demonstration if his vac could pick up water like my $30 shop vac could.
The out-takes were great.
One thing you didn't test, and where the Bacho really shines is use for notching tasks that you might do if making a shelter or a pack frame.
The stiff blades ability to make push cuts is really handy in tight spots or on smaller materials in the two inch and under range.
Just bought a couple Silkies to do this very comparison. You beat me to the punch!
just like the silky better because of the tapered blade. less friction.
I saw buy them both and have backups! I sure wish replacement blades were less expensive instead of buying a whole new saw.
Best outtakes I've ever seen! 😂
I just bought a new Bahco, I love Sweedish Steel, I like the color, the price and the size.
This is a great video. It was kind of strange I posted on MOTPM yesterday asking for opinions on the two. After reading comments both places I agree with you it's not what's better it's what works better for each person. I'm also now looking into the corona razor saws. I have no idea about corona but people seem to love them. I'd like to say THANKS again to Chris Jessi and Will for what y'all do. God bless.
I'll probably try one. I still have a Sven Saw review to post. I love that one. Didn't think I would.
I keep saying I'm going to get that magic Bahco buck saw blade Dave C demoed once (it's like a lightsaber through wood) but I keep putting it off.
I'm a big fan of the bahco laplander because of how compact and ergonomic it is, as well as its locking system. I've always found it simple to use too.
I used a silky gomboy once. Liked it. But wouldn't like to use it for longer periods because it doesn't feel right in the hand. Also a bit bulky.
If people are going to get made they need to grow up !!! I love it when you do this !!Please keep up the good work! I have learned a lot ! As far as these two saws i like them both but the bahco is my winner!! Only because i cant stop hitting the button!! Thank you guys!!! Keep surviving! You'r nh bushcraft friend! Joe!!
Likely the reason for any bias is you like what you use first or most familiar with. Good review.
I agree with you. I own both. And as for which is better? Kinda like picking fly shit out of pepper. As long you can trust it not to break, pick which one you like best for you.
you should do a vid on saber vr scandi and share your opinions about them like you did here
great review guys, as always. The question I would have is regarding damp wood or even green wood. Do you feel one is better suited than the other? For firewood processing, you aren't always lucky enough to get dry wood, and for campsite fixtures or shelters, you may be using some green stuff. Curious as to your take on this topic. One thing that can't be overlooked, though is technique. As a carpenter with many years experience, using MY personal hand saws, I know I can kick serious ass with certain cuts. If I borrow another guys saw, my cutting prowess certainly isn't as good. Just my .02
Ozzy called and has your tickets for the crazy train. LOL, loved the out takes.