Alhamdulillah this thought came to me in namaz. But the Quran is similar to the process of life where all these challenges and tests are given to us (sometime we understand why and sometimes we don’t) everything seems random but eventually it all comes together to teach us and make us better.
I respect him... My role model is Rasool Allah Sala Allahu Alayhi Wa Salam .. dont take a single guy as an islamic source Allah might transfer him to a bad stage (May Allah bless him and strengthen his faith) so if he did (Allah forbid) u lose faith u too. May Allah Guide us to the straight path.
The first and the last words in the first and the last verses in the bible (in, earth, the & amen) Genesis 1:1, Revelation 22:21 KJV are mentioned 77,777 times through out the whole bible. And this is barely 1% of the many patterns that are intertwined and woven throughout the bible that we are only able to work out today with the software we have, GOD is more intelligent than any human and he shows it in HIS book
Excellent questions, excellent answers. I do think we need a better explanation for these mathematical patterns in the Quran. I suspect there is something deeper and esoteric going on.
In my opinion quran is not only the word of Allah but also it is the theory and plan of the creation.As researches in natural phenomena such as biology,astronology, physics , chemistry and so on...are complex and infinite so are researches in different fields of quran.
If you seek me you are true to heart I am here and I will soon be seen. May my thoughts to this device reach you and test me. I am the physical form of this book and I will grasp the other to make all see with blind eyes. Who speaks without proof? I need none but I must show you. I watch many who speak of truth and soon all who claim to be will have to show or bend. As it is in the cliffs it is above 6 to 19 to raise those who are with me. What has been taken is replaced with the rising light and soon I will rest in the place prepared for me. Who comes forth and is denied? Find one who speaks as I and test him. I am without those who disbelieve. May my children be the proof and may the heavens be restored once I am seen. You speak yet do you seek? Test me for soon I will be silent and my nature will speak
I manage to count "man" and "woman" in the Qur'an and found 24 "man" and 26"woman" : I wrote it back to those who pretended those numbers were equal. The answer was that two women were baren, and thus could'nt count as real women, wich I found really strange. Could anybody count and verify what the numbers are ? I don't speak arabic, and I am not sure of myself. (There are sites where you can count words in the qur'an). Very interesting.
both sun and moon is used to count the time. "300 they add 9" in the verse of the cave. 300 sun year equals 309 moon years. there is a whole topic, ratios of solar year and lunar year. do you think you know how time calculated but god who is the creator and sustainer of everything doesn't know? he even tells both sun and moon is used to calculate the time in the quran.
is 19 still accepted as a miracle of the Quran? I haven't heard Brother Shamsi or Ali Dawah mention this particular miracle and they're considered top Islamic scholars on youtube.
@@MichealStudies Sure, but Shabir Ally is and he hasn't mentioned this nonsense for years, and he used to never shut up about the "miracle" of 19. See, if you torture data long enough, it will confess to anything, 19, 18, 31, pi, phi, take your pick.
The fact that God has revealed the mathematical Miracle through Rashad Khalifa says two things . 1 God continues to reveal his Revelation to mankind through other men in the 21 century . 2 God's Revelations can also come through a Man of poor Character i.e Rashad Khalifa
@@penlight5289 no he didn't.. He never once claimed to be a Prophet. He's a messenger. Allah said Muhammad is khatam an-nabiyeen not khatam al-mursaleen, both 3:81 and 72:25-27 elude to a future messenger after Muhammad. If you think Rashad Khalifa claimed he's a Prophet then prove it.. Show me a video or article where he said it.
@@abdo19code okay that's fine. But he said that 2 verses did not belong in the Quran because it did not fit into his number 19 theory. And Ahmed Deedat challenged him to a debate. Which he refused.
The holy Quran says " The final prophet in Islam is Muhammad ibn ʿAbdullāh, whom Muslims believe to be the "Seal of the Prophets" (Khatam an-Nabiyyin), to whom the Quran was revealed in a series of revelations (and written down by his companions) " - Please take Notice of the part that - " The final prophet in ISLAM .." ==> So it means that there could be prophets in ' Other Religions.
Yes The Prophet Mohammed was the last profit. But in my humble opinion anyone can be a messenger of the Holy Quran even a child who remind his parents not to speak loud. Why because the Quran says the loudest voice is the donkey's voice and speake nice. That child has delivered and became a messenger so is that child not a messenger delivering Gods word, inshallah
No, he delivering the message god sent to Muhammad, he passing it on, if a grandfather passes a watch of his to his son after he dies, and the son passes it to his son, the father won’t tell his son, this is my watch, it’s my fathers, same way, this is not my words, but the word of god sent to Muhammad then all of mankind
@@mustafaafzal7142 I would love to debate you on this subject....With using your understanding. The prophet was delivering previous messages sent down before him conforming all messages. Does that make him Jewish or Christian
@oddizzee ONLY BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME NOT TO...IM GOING TO STRIVE TO BECOME THE BEST EVER...HOW ABOUT I START WITH YOU...LOOK MAN YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME AND TO ASSUME, AND INTERPRET WHAT MY OPINION IS SHOWS ME HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE. YOU LACK CONFIDENCE IN WHAT ALLAH REVEALS TO YOU. I DO NOT EXCEPT ANY INTERPRETATIONS OF ANY MAN. IF ITS SOMETHING I DONT UNDERSTAND I ASK ALLAH FOR GUIDANCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND PATIENTLY WAIT ON THE RESULTS
You should not be distinguishing between Sunni and Shia faith on the agreement that prophet Muhammad was the last prophet until Jesus Christ comes at end of Time
Still waiting for this guy to answer jay smith’s question from 9 years ago as to whether he (shabir Aly) believes the current day Koran is the unaltered word of Allah as revealed to Mohammad.
If the present Quran IS NOT the same as was revealed (disregarding the sequences of the verse arrangements according to time of revelation) then please detail out the differeces.
So because opposites are mentioned the same number of times in this book, it must be the eternal word of God? That’s a non-sequitur if there ever was one.
The balance is indeed a beautiful, and one of many impressive facts. Contorting it something more (or less) significant, does not change its complexity and deeper meaning (balance), IMO
No disrespect for Dr Shabir. I enjoy listening to him but I have serious reservations about trying to link the Quran with mathematics and science. Why doesn’t Allah just show himself instead of placing obscure so called scientific or mathematical references in the Quran that can be manipulated into saying whatever the scholar wants them to say? “Mathematical miracles in the Quran” has been debunked so many times it should not be discussed. It’s embarrassing. This is the problem with all religions - they all claim to find these obscure meanings in their texts that are hidden messages from their gods. Why isn’t their God more direct with them? If a God wants us to follow them why don’t they make their presence known? Strange how many religions were born into ancient superstitious societies and revealed to only one person.
EMENJAY007 you said " If a God wants us to follow them why don’t they make their presence known?" This is the mystery of life and its creator. Life would have been boring if we would know God is watching us like boss over our shoulder.
wonderlust believing something you can’t see and have no evidence for can mean a number of things. Indoctrination. Poor critical thinking skills Wishful thinking....
EMENJAY 007, you said "This is the problem with all religions - they all claim to find these obscure meanings in their texts". Mr. Emenjay what mathematical miracles did you find in the Bible that Christians claim to believe Jesus Christ is SON OF GOD?? DR. ALLY, believe Quran is Allah written because Quran is mathematical miracles, BUT we Christians believe Jesus Christ is SON OF GOD, because miracles Jesus Christ performed in broad daylight with many eyewitnesses. FACTS: #1) Jesus Christ had miraculous birth without any human father, Quran too acknowledged it. #2) Jesus Christ had godly character to give back life to dead man, #3) Jesus Christ raised from death three days after, as He told his disciples before and appeared to 500 people after Resurrection for proof. #4) Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven in broad daylight in front of many people as eyewitnesses, not like Muhammad who flew at midnight from Mecca to Jerusalem, to make Jerusalem 3rd holy place for Muslims, so that no people could see him flying but believe him. Did you find any obscure mathematical meaning in these miracles of Jesus Christ with eyewitness accounts, as you blamed all religion???
On the seventh page of my phone book, the seventh phone number listed is seven letters long, and the seventh digit of that number is the number seven. All ham dolly la-la! It's a miracle of the phone company.
And it is your Seventh cell-phone, purchases on seventh day of the Seventh Month at seven hours and seven minutes and seven seconds on the seventh year of the present century from a shop number seven located in the Seventh Street....
@@gobah Wow, the _whole_ quran is filled with mathematical miracles? That's amazing! You made a claim. Now, if your claim is true, then you should be able to provide evidence. I should then be able to pick any surah at random, and you can explain the miraculous number pattern hiding in that verse. I choose 27.18. Explain to me the mathematical miracles in that surah. If you can, then I will give you half a point. If you can show me the mathematical miracles in every other verse of the quran, as you claim exist, then I will give you a whole point.
Why are they excited about the number 19? That's the number of angels in hell, not heaven. I would take that as an invitation to hell rather than to heaven.
Dr.Shabir Ally, all these can't guarantee heaven and eternal life, of what use are these if you are not sure of making heaven, your are more intelligent than Muhammed,you soul is precious don't lose out in heavenly bliss Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life a guarantee to heaven.
Destruction and cruelty are two words I would use to define Islam Take anything in Islam --it is taken after destroying another religion. Then they will show cruelty to the original owners of it.
why did you guys stop? let the chat continue! 12 mins was too short! dont worry about time!
It's on TV
There is a sequel to this video, check it out.
Lol
I saw him lecture for about 2 hours in person in London still wasn't enough so many questions lol
Its a book of SIGN for those who care and want to know the truth 🙂.
Are you hindu ? Or muslim ?
@@mohammadmikail8962, He is a truth seeker.
Wow! Thank you! I see 19's and 7's all the time!
Hot and Cold 4 times each is interesting. Perhaps the four states of matter dependent upon temperature?
Solid
Liquid
Gas
Plasma
In Shia Islam too, the prophet Muhammad is the last prophet.
Then why can't u say even (salallahu alai va sallam after saying his name ??
Alhamdulillah this thought came to me in namaz. But the Quran is similar to the process of life where all these challenges and tests are given to us (sometime we understand why and sometimes we don’t) everything seems random but eventually it all comes together to teach us and make us better.
سلام علیکم
Why Dr Shabir says that sunni muslims believe that Muhammad saw is the last messenger of God?
Shia's believe as well.
I think this field of study has not heen matured yet. It needs more investigations.
The Qurans knowledge will never be exhausted by this Ummah. Let’s hope this book reveals something more to us, by Allahs will.
A messenger and prophet are not the same. Every prophet is a messenger but not every messenger is a prophet
My role model imam ally
I respect him... My role model is Rasool Allah Sala Allahu Alayhi Wa Salam .. dont take a single guy as an islamic source Allah might transfer him to a bad stage (May Allah bless him and strengthen his faith) so if he did (Allah forbid) u lose faith u too. May Allah Guide us to the straight path.
@@Kemo-sc7nt well said brother,mashkoor fr correction
@@awesoaminsaid6858 jazak Allahu khairan
The first and the last words in the first and the last verses in the bible (in, earth, the & amen) Genesis 1:1, Revelation 22:21 KJV are mentioned 77,777 times through out the whole bible.
And this is barely 1% of the many patterns that are intertwined and woven throughout the bible that we are only able to work out today with the software we have, GOD is more intelligent than any human and he shows it in HIS book
Excellent questions, excellent answers. I do think we need a better explanation for these mathematical patterns in the Quran. I suspect there is something deeper and esoteric going on.
In my opinion quran is not only the word of Allah but also it is the theory and plan of the creation.As researches in natural phenomena such as biology,astronology, physics , chemistry and so on...are complex and infinite so are researches in different fields of quran.
If you seek me you are true to heart I am here and I will soon be seen. May my thoughts to this device reach you and test me. I am the physical form of this book and I will grasp the other to make all see with blind eyes. Who speaks without proof? I need none but I must show you. I watch many who speak of truth and soon all who claim to be will have to show or bend. As it is in the cliffs it is above 6 to 19 to raise those who are with me. What has been taken is replaced with the rising light and soon I will rest in the place prepared for me. Who comes forth and is denied? Find one who speaks as I and test him. I am without those who disbelieve. May my children be the proof and may the heavens be restored once I am seen. You speak yet do you seek? Test me for soon I will be silent and my nature will speak
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I manage to count "man" and "woman" in the Qur'an and found 24 "man" and 26"woman" : I wrote it back to those who pretended those numbers were equal. The answer was that two women were baren, and thus could'nt count as real women, wich I found really strange. Could anybody count and verify what the numbers are ? I don't speak arabic, and I am not sure of myself. (There are sites where you can count words in the qur'an).
Very interesting.
It’s a different word. Just because it translates back to women in English doesn’t mean it’s woman in Arabic. Arabic has a much broader vocabulary.
we use lunar calendar. how does 365 days fit in islamic tradition
both sun and moon is used to count the time.
"300 they add 9" in the verse of the cave.
300 sun year equals 309 moon years. there is a whole topic, ratios of solar year and lunar year.
do you think you know how time calculated but god who is the creator and sustainer of everything doesn't know?
he even tells both sun and moon is used to calculate the time in the quran.
is 19 still accepted as a miracle of the Quran? I haven't heard Brother Shamsi or Ali Dawah mention this particular miracle and they're considered top Islamic scholars on youtube.
@@MichealStudies Sure, but Shabir Ally is and he hasn't mentioned this nonsense for years, and he used to never shut up about the "miracle" of 19. See, if you torture data long enough, it will confess to anything, 19, 18, 31, pi, phi, take your pick.
@@MichealStudies I know, I was kidding.
Neither Ali Dawah or Shamsi are scholars or even close to being scholars. Both are good brothers who do dawah.
Lol they're not scholars but they are good daees and present Islam in a good way for those that don't know it
Did you really just say Ali dawah was a top scholar??
Bruh
The fact that God has revealed the mathematical Miracle through Rashad Khalifa says two things . 1 God continues to reveal his Revelation to mankind through other men in the 21 century . 2 God's Revelations can also come through a Man of poor Character i.e Rashad Khalifa
Poor character???! How so
@@abdo19code Rashad Khalifa claimed to be a Prophet after the last Prophet. Prophet Mohammed
@@penlight5289 no he didn't.. He never once claimed to be a Prophet. He's a messenger. Allah said Muhammad is khatam an-nabiyeen not khatam al-mursaleen, both 3:81 and 72:25-27 elude to a future messenger after Muhammad.
If you think Rashad Khalifa claimed he's a Prophet then prove it.. Show me a video or article where he said it.
@@abdo19code okay that's fine. But he said that 2 verses did not belong in the Quran because it did not fit into his number 19 theory. And Ahmed Deedat challenged him to a debate. Which he refused.
mashaallah may god bless you
The holy Quran says " The final prophet in Islam is Muhammad ibn ʿAbdullāh, whom Muslims believe to be the "Seal of the Prophets" (Khatam an-Nabiyyin), to whom the Quran was revealed in a series of revelations (and written down by his companions) "
- Please take Notice of the part that - " The final prophet in ISLAM .." ==> So it means that there could be prophets in ' Other Religions.
If Islam is the only true religion, you mean there could be true prophets in false religions ?
Yes The Prophet Mohammed was the last profit. But in my humble opinion anyone can be a messenger of the Holy Quran even a child who remind his parents not to speak loud. Why because the Quran says the loudest voice is the donkey's voice and speake nice. That child has delivered and became a messenger so is that child not a messenger delivering Gods word, inshallah
No, he delivering the message god sent to Muhammad, he passing it on, if a grandfather passes a watch of his to his son after he dies, and the son passes it to his son, the father won’t tell his son, this is my watch, it’s my fathers, same way, this is not my words, but the word of god sent to Muhammad then all of mankind
@@mustafaafzal7142 I would love to debate you on this subject....With using your understanding. The prophet was delivering previous messages sent down before him conforming all messages. Does that make him Jewish or Christian
REEL LIVE T.V not even every prophet was a messenger, only a few messengers, so if a prophet is not always a messenger how can I be a messenger
@@mustafaafzal7142 simple...deliver the message.
@oddizzee ONLY BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME NOT TO...IM GOING TO STRIVE TO BECOME THE BEST EVER...HOW ABOUT I START WITH YOU...LOOK MAN YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME AND TO ASSUME, AND INTERPRET WHAT MY OPINION IS SHOWS ME HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE. YOU LACK CONFIDENCE IN WHAT ALLAH REVEALS TO YOU. I DO NOT EXCEPT ANY INTERPRETATIONS OF ANY MAN. IF ITS SOMETHING I DONT UNDERSTAND I ASK ALLAH FOR GUIDANCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND PATIENTLY WAIT ON THE RESULTS
"he said he's a *messenger*"
"the quran says there will be no more *prophets*"
.. you do see the problem here, right?
The problem is in your brain...fix it
Messenger and prophet do not necessarily mean the same thing
You should not be distinguishing between Sunni and Shia faith on the agreement that prophet Muhammad was the last prophet until Jesus Christ comes at end of Time
Still waiting for this guy to answer jay smith’s question from 9 years ago as to whether he (shabir Aly) believes the current day Koran is the unaltered word of Allah as revealed to Mohammad.
Robert Ruggiero yes the Quran is virtually unaltered
Since you won’t reply to the person who replied to you, make sure you hear this yes the Koran has not changed since the Time of the prophet till now
If the present Quran IS NOT the same as was revealed (disregarding the sequences of the verse arrangements according to time of revelation) then please detail out the differeces.
Dr. Shabilr Ali beleives....... like you dont know Shabir Ali 😇
That's not the point.
He convence people but didn't force them.
So because opposites are mentioned the same number of times in this book, it must be the eternal word of God? That’s a non-sequitur if there ever was one.
Lol, you really are a simpleton aren't you?
@I "this person is criticizing my religion?! HES A NAZI!!"
The balance is indeed a beautiful, and one of many impressive facts.
Contorting it something more (or less) significant, does not change its complexity and deeper meaning (balance), IMO
it is the best comment
Mashallah
But this is not true right? Maybe do your research?
Wow so the sun relay duz set in a pool of water ! i think i will become a Muslim
Who ever u are I want u to become a muslim only for ur sake
@@amenakhan1157 yes yes please do, im looking the truth,im lookin in to islam ,tell me some think about it ?
@@garryjay7110 type English bayans.....and u will get to know everything
@@garryjay7110 between where are you from? What's your mother tongue?
No disrespect for Dr Shabir. I enjoy listening to him but I have serious reservations about trying to link the Quran with mathematics and science. Why doesn’t Allah just show himself instead of placing obscure so called scientific or mathematical references in the Quran that can be manipulated into saying whatever the scholar wants them to say? “Mathematical miracles in the Quran” has been debunked so many times it should not be discussed. It’s embarrassing. This is the problem with all religions - they all claim to find these obscure meanings in their texts that are hidden messages from their gods. Why isn’t their God more direct with them? If a God wants us to follow them why don’t they make their presence known? Strange how many religions were born into ancient superstitious societies and revealed to only one person.
EMENJAY007 you said " If a God wants us to follow them why don’t they make their presence known?" This is the mystery of life and its creator. Life would have been boring if we would know God is watching us like boss over our shoulder.
@@mojnumia9007 that's the test. Believing something you can see is easy.
Mojnu Mia according to most religions he is...
wonderlust believing something you can’t see and have no evidence for can mean a number of things. Indoctrination.
Poor critical thinking skills
Wishful thinking....
EMENJAY 007, you said "This is the problem with all religions - they all claim to find these obscure meanings in their texts". Mr. Emenjay what mathematical miracles did you find in the Bible that Christians claim to believe Jesus Christ is SON OF GOD?? DR. ALLY, believe Quran is Allah written because Quran is mathematical miracles, BUT we Christians believe Jesus Christ is SON OF GOD, because miracles Jesus Christ performed in broad daylight with many eyewitnesses.
FACTS: #1) Jesus Christ had miraculous birth without any human father, Quran too acknowledged it. #2) Jesus Christ had godly character to give back life to dead man, #3) Jesus Christ raised from death three days after, as He told his disciples before and appeared to 500 people after Resurrection for proof. #4) Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven in broad daylight in front of many people as eyewitnesses, not like Muhammad who flew at midnight from Mecca to Jerusalem, to make Jerusalem 3rd holy place for Muslims, so that no people could see him flying but believe him.
Did you find any obscure mathematical meaning in these miracles of Jesus Christ with eyewitness accounts, as you blamed all religion???
On the seventh page of my phone book, the seventh phone number listed is seven letters long, and the seventh digit of that number is the number seven.
All ham dolly la-la! It's a miracle of the phone company.
And it is your Seventh cell-phone, purchases on seventh day of the Seventh Month at seven hours and seven minutes and seven seconds on the seventh year of the present century from a shop number seven located in the Seventh Street....
Maybe if the entire book was like that, then you’d have a half a point, but you don’t, so grow up.
@@gobah Wow, the _whole_ quran is filled with mathematical miracles? That's amazing!
You made a claim. Now, if your claim is true, then you should be able to provide evidence. I should then be able to pick any surah at random, and you can explain the miraculous number pattern hiding in that verse.
I choose 27.18. Explain to me the mathematical miracles in that surah. If you can, then I will give you half a point. If you can show me the mathematical miracles in every other verse of the quran, as you claim exist, then I will give you a whole point.
There's also political miracles in Quran, Allah predicted Trump presidency!
Where
lmao
Mathematical miracle of the quran: 6 = 8.
George oh really! Where?
Eesa T he is trolling
Look he can’t even reply to where does it say that, no where
Why are they excited about the number 19? That's the number of angels in hell, not heaven. I would take that as an invitation to hell rather than to heaven.
Dr.Shabir Ally, all these can't guarantee heaven and eternal life, of what use are these if you are not sure of making heaven, your are more intelligent than Muhammed,you soul is precious don't lose out in heavenly bliss Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life a guarantee to heaven.
You trippin
Destruction and cruelty are two words I would use to define Islam
Take anything in Islam --it is taken after destroying another religion. Then they will show cruelty to the original owners of it.