John B. Calhoun Film 7.1 [edited], (NIMH, 1970-1972)
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- This film is a trimmed version of a longer set of stitched-together reels that contain remarks by and interviews with National Institute of Mental Health scientist John B. Calhoun, as well as extensive footage of the thousands of mice Calhoun studied over many years. In Mouse City, Calhoun provided his research subjects food, water, bedding, protection from predators--all that they needed except adequate space. The results were destructive and dramatic. Based on these experiments, Calhoun drew conclusions about human behavior in overcrowded conditions, such as high-density public housing.
Citation: Calhoun, John B. John B. Calhoun Papers. 1909-1996. Located in: Archives and Modern Manuscripts Collection, History of Medicine Division, National Library of Medicine, Bethesda, MD; MS C 586.
#medicalhistory #mentalhealth @NIMHgov #humanbehaviour - Věda a technologie
I studied this research back in the 80’s. There’s much about the findings that are not stated in this video. It’s been interesting to watch humans do the same thing over the last forty years but extremely disturbing.
I would really like to know more about those findings not stated here...
just being curious...even if they are disturbing.
any link or reference materials to have a good read?
@@JulieH819 Would be easier to search if you could drop us some tags, that are related to your stated findings.
@@JulieH819 or dont
@@JulieH819 Thank you for informing us that there is much more. And for those that did not read. She stated she researched back in the 1990s. So possibly she doesn't remember the actual name of the book she read during her class. But she gave you a name you can research for yourself.
It's sad we live in a world today of the give me attitude rather then researching for yourself. That's why so many fall victim to the lies of the MSM.
She gave you a hint to start your search. Which is more then enough to just say thank you. And begin your own investigation or research or don't that is your own choice.
@@pearlb3645 i agree
Watching the facts in 2020. Terrifying
Hahaha completely true
Absolutely True!!
the real reason why they dont mate is becouse they have reach there evolutionary capacity, genetic has memory, certine genetic has the capacity to go further some dont so they will begin to degenerate and devolve, maybe if they had changed the enviroment and conditions then it would have introduced something new.
@@corneliuselbourne1044 I think they did separate the "beautiful" ones, and they just died off, they didn't reproduce. It is argued at 03:08 that the change in behavior appears to be irreversible as it's "wired" - in case of mice at least.
So nice that his studies were ignored and are still being ignored.
Very interesting and seeing it come to life before our eyes terrifying.
The females are in the apartments doing OnlyFans.
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At the time, the interest was more about population. But the big take home is that behavior becomes dysfunctional when all needs are met with limited effort.
Scary
You can see traces of this in out society sprouting too, there are groups like incels and neckbeards and asexuals who have either lost interest in mating or dont know how to attract mates. The newest generation feels a lack of purpose but I dont believe we could ever go full mouse utopia, I'm pretty sure the people in charge have a million safeguards. But then again theres the whole area 51 meme going around, so maybe?
@@TheChikleMasta We have let large, impersonal organizations strip power and influence from our social organizations. Washington DC cannot fill the social needs like a small country church can
@@TheChikleMasta neckbeards...i see harvy Weinstein. Ew.
2:34 I think this is the most pertinent part. What men know how to do no longer has meaning.
We live in the age of the beautiful ones this isn't good
in china i see boy wearing like woman,pretty guys,right？
"The beautiful ones" are not interested in sex. Today's society is only about sex, so apocalypse is still far away.
@@democratictotalitariansoci1462 Is it? Many males and females now live alone and do not mate. Look at what's happened with Japanese society....many people remain virgins into their 30s. Here in North America teenagers don't go to parties like they use to, don't drink, or use drugs. Don't date....
@@FlaviusMaximus1967 First there is school which just wants to transform kids into calm slaves. Then there are mass media which propagate unreal high life standards. Anybody who tries to follow all of that becomes brainwashed and forgets the true self.
Drugs and alcohol are very bad and those things make world a shitty place, it's a very good thing that kids don't use them, eventually they will find the truth and have a good life.
Totally agree!
... world population has been increasing without any control over the past 70 years at a constant rate.. almost 7.8 billion people in 2020.
assuming we are in the "age of the beautiful ones"... an interesting data is that there´s a projection where the world population´s curve begins to flatten from now on (yes 2020 & ahead!) ... to reach an estimated peak of 10.8 billion in 2100 where the curve is completely flattened... zero births.
Then I assume (as said on video) ..it will come the decline of human population
1:35 WOW these are exactly today's young people and social media. The mouse experiment showing us what is going on today incredible.
Yeah, i know, adults can't get their noses out of their phones as well :)
You would prefer it if kids were breeding? The mouse experiment shows us nothing of human behavior. This was junk science.
Phones glued to their hands.
27 minute mark is the key. We are experiencing just this, a lack of true community. People are being lost in behavioral sink because we aren’t united in helpful ways. 2020 is an epic example of this. United in disfunction and creating chaos.
Perhaps. What do you propose?
SoundsSilver definitely a call back to small communities where people work nearby and know each other and sow into each other’s lives. We have been pushed to big cities where we may work over an hour away from where we live. We have no connection to the people around us. And no energy to invest in the people we live near or our coworkers. True community is the key to stopping most of what we have struggled with over this year. If people had vested interests in the lives of those around them life would be much richer. And people less willing to find fault.
I don’t know why American infrastructure is designed to prevent communities from engaging with each other on a small scale. We have huge suburbia’s and neighborhoods with nothing more than a few parks for people to gather. This is a lot different from my parents hometowns in mexico where Every town has a plaza at the heart of it where people sell goods, and it’s the same people living in the town who go and patronize it. The US makes this kind of thing impossible for one because they expect all businesses to be legitimate and have a brick and mortar, and while that might work in small US cities where it’s cheaper to do so, it’s not nearly possible in CA where i’m from. So of course all we locals have to do for fun is go to the strip malls, Walmart, malls, Target local mcdonalds, Commercial things that make you feel disconnected from it because it’s just business. It’s hard to become a “regular” anywhere when your just one of thousands of customers who visit these places. That or you have to go out of your way and find groups of people who do communal activities like hiking groups or Biking groups etc which of course are not always easy to find. Capitalism is very hallow, but at the end of the day it provides us with creature comforts and security which is the big trade off when comparing community rich towns like those in mexico with a town in the US.
@@alterI4 don’t confuse capitalism with big marketing. Capitalism thrives in those small community settings. It encourages the grandparents and aunties to sell food out of the back of their trucks. What you know from growing up is what true capitalism is. It’s what America was built on and what it has lost sight of in the wake of the giant investor takeover. True community that invests in the lives of those around it is attainable again. We just have to snap out of the spell they’ve put us in. Bigger conglomerates are not better. They hurt us in the long run. Small business and knowing and living your neighbor is what we need to get back to.
How much does social media and technology worsen this? Despite social media apps more people are reporting to be lonely, depressed , anxious etc etc
Once in a while, there is a very interesting person that is cast in the spotlight. This is one of those people. Too bad Ive never heard of him, as this concept would be good to know in order to better understand WHY things seem a little...off.
Indeed, "things seem a little...off", not because of mere physical crowding but because of political suppression of the human spirit. China serves to illustrate this fact: Look at the crises they've manufactured in relatively peaceful great metropolises purely by LOCKING DOWN THE FREE MOVEMENT OF HEALTHY PEOPLE! The same is true for the general disturbances of Western, "free democracies" because of the ham-handed pandemic policies imposed upon them!
I was introduced to this film tonight by a GRAND THEFT WORLD podcast. Fascinating research. Among the cascade of
dysfunctional behaviour observed in Mouse City was the shattering of maternal skills and male mice sexually confused.
Calhoun wrote in 1966 - "As velocity declines the objects of sexual advances encompass a wider range of the associates
present, until finally any associate regardless of age, sex, or receptivity will be mounted." If these experiments were reliably
predictive ... you younger fellows are in for an interesting life, in the Brave New World that follows a few years of Covid madness.
Enjoy!
IIRC in 1974 or 5 I went to a JuCo study group, and one of the students was aware of this film (or similar) so we watched it before studying for our test. I was totally fascinated and awed by it and never forgot its premise. It feels like we've reached the point of critical mass some 50 years after the study.
It's sad when you try to connect with the people in the beautiful ones stage but they just care too much in themselves it is scary seeing the human population fall into this
The other is worst
It’s ridiculous, I honestly believed as a kid and as a teen growing up that the would will improve in that department but it only got worse. Even when you do connect with them, that connection is meaningless to them while it may mean something for you. This has been a common experience for myself.
A huge incurable disease will always wipe out the overpopulation in a way. The more medicine human takes the more mutated the disease will be until it will knock out humanity back to almost dark age.
Funny how this comment was written 3 months before coronavirus mutated to infect humans.
I feel like a traveller from the future , a survivor from covid 19 from italy
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r Shit, I totally forgot about this comment 6 month ago.....
@@ihabhatim5825 yeah kinda weird reading this again, as I totally forgot I wrote this... but reading history books, there will always be some kind of world wide catastrophy (beside war) that will kill off alot of humans in groups
Nice call. This pandemic is only killing on the order of .5% of the people who get it but it's a start.
@@johnb7337 it's a promising start
The last 1000 rats that had no social, courting, mating, assertive skills, never engaged in any stressful activites and only pay attention to themselve, groom themselves very well.... sounds about where we are right now and what the next generation will be in 1st world countries
Not only in first world countries. Brazil is going there too and China already has the lying flat movement. That's the curse of social media and it will only get worse.
Don't worry, the same craziness is happening in the third world too.
Hahaha that's me
I would think its like autism. No social interest and repetitive self indulgent behavior
This was the Greek story about narcissis
2022 we are definitely in the era of 'the beautiful ones'.
I'm going to maintain that this is an apples and oranges comparison, but it's a very fertile metaphor at best.
100%
I am one of the "beautiful ones"
@@williamtaittinger4529 lol u sure?
He sounds exactly like I'd expect from the last name Calhoun, and it makes me happy.
Yikes.
ditto
The screwy thing is that no one living who is directly related to him remembers him having that accent.
@@paulcalhoun436Mandela effect?
I would say this is not an issue of physical "space".
But of social "space" or the very high density of social interaction that it becomes prohibitive to other functions important to life.
In the case of humans,
i would equate this to smartphones and computers, and the internet which practically constrict our social space and increase our social interaction.
Mhm. He summed this up nicely in this video: czcams.com/video/d20cQOx97bQ/video.html
This is all food for thought, but it's completely speculative. These studies revealed unexpected behaviors in mice, but as he said, mice are wired very differently from humans. We are highly able to adapt cognitively, and we do. Nothing in these studies is predictive in human society, nor have his predictions come true. There are parallels in the US prison population, but there is nothing globally forcing humans into this condition, not even close, nor have people begun to behave like this. If we want solitude, nearly all humans can simply go for a walk or find it in a particular room or shelter, or in a tree. We are not generally forced into constant and unwanted interactions and overcrowding. We choose our hectic lives. Our interactions are simply changing, not losing their meaningfulness.
Globalization has brought care and food to people we never knew existed, and toppled dictators by exposing their cruelties to the world. We have global standards for human rights. Smartphones and computers are optional, not forced. This forced overcrowding of a highly prolific prey species within a confined space does not approximate anything in modern human society, apart from prisons, or anything that's actually predicted for modern human society in general. Humans have been the apex predator for a very long time. Mice are not predators. They can't think like us, nor can they think as well as we do, and to assume their behavior in this forced, rather cruel condition is predictive of how we would behave when our population nears the Earth's capacity to suppoirt us is preposterous. The conditions are entirely different, and the species are entirely different. These populations collapse because they stop mating. Does anyone really think humans would do that?
The social space aspect is shown in grasshoppers prior to becoming locusts. First they become overcrowded due to unfavorable habitat conditions. They begin to chirp which then creates agitation amongst one another. Then the grasshoppers change the tone, as well as increase the overall amount of chirping. This somehow makes them mutate into destructive creatures, and for many centuries, something of an unknown origin. Perhaps a similar, or controllable sequence is possible for humanity. Our current time holds importance in understanding the phenomena which occurred prior to our most bloodiest, hysterical, and hypnotic moments in history. The moments where humanity cannot recognize the origins of their actions, just as we couldn't recognize grasshoppers being the origin of locusts.
@@ogbattle827 At the risk of transforming from optimist to cynic, we humans have undergone numerous transformations like you described as "our most bloodiest, hysterical, and hypnotic moments in history," but our capacity to study and learn from these transformations, let alone even remember them, when we find ourselves under stress is historically pretty crappy. We watched the holocaust happen and shouted "never again," until the next genocide happened while we stood by. After 9/11, we threw away all of our wisest learning from our bloodiest wars in our rush to repeat every bloody mistake we'd learned the hard way never to make again in war.
My apologies if I've misunderstood your meaning when you said, "Our current time holds importance in understanding the phenomena which occurred prior to..." Yes, it is important today to understand those phenomena, and we have learned a lot. If that was your meaning, I agree. But although we have gained that understanding, we stubbornly refuse to apply it when it matters. All of the horrible mistakes we regret about our conduct and conclusion of our (US) recent wars in the Middle East were predicted, debated, and shouted from the rooftops as we were transforming into warring monsters. We did it knowingly. We did it willingly and proudly. We did it using the same excuse that was used for racist and xenophbic violence: "9/11 has changed everything." It changed nothing. It simply eased our transformation. We still knowingly disregarded all the lessons from the past, even though we had identified all the warnings that we were doing so, and that we were headed for disaster by doing so.
Very interesting point. I agree and this could be easily proved by adding "cubicles" to the experiment. In social animals, humans for example, we've developed the building of walled domiciles to preserve privacy. Social media as you stated has the opposite effect.
Very interesting, thanks for uploading.
Is it interesting now?
How many people are watching this, and realising, ‘hey I’m just like the “beautiful ones”’?
everyone but third worlders who are coming in hordes to destroy us
This is such an interesting experiment.
“We don’t want to have too many contacts in our own lives, but we want the contacts that we have to be meaningful for his role, so it can be compassionate for them all. So you’re at this particularly strange phase where you can be highly optimistic, and highly pessimistic. So you can decide to open yourself to a more optimistic side or to a more continuing evolution…” this is all a quote..
19:30 total withdrawal
Thank you for this! It is very very interesting, not just the "space experiment" but also the population-numbers-lecture in the classroom! Very presnt-time-parallel topic, isn´t it?? :(
We're at 7.7 billion atm.
And 3.8 20 to 25
@@bradenadams6351 2020 is...next year! 😕
Pancake Circus Yes! and the UTOPIA is here
@@mrgod5139
Rejoice comrades, the socialist utopia is at hand! Who knew that socialism would look so corporate, eh? Marx never saw that coming.
It is currently 7.8, a 0.1 increase in 5 years. Definitely a big slowdown if not stagnant.
I had gerbils when I was a child and noticed the population vs normal behavior first hand at a very young age. A ten gallon fish tank held two gerbils, a few toys, food and water and some space. They did well, interacted, enjoyed the toys and even were social with people. They had five babies and one died shortly after for unknown reasons. These gerbils behaved much like their parents but seemed a bit easily reactive to activity of humans. I wasn't supervised very well as a child and didn't know, at 6, that I needed to clean the tank more often, give them more water and food and replace worn toys. Six gerbils became so many that they were eating each other, fighting to the death and hoarding food in their cheeks. By the time my mother knew about the issue, it was like watching a horror movie.
It was the 1960's when all that happened and now I am sure that by the 1970's I had firm belifs about over population of the human race. I chose to be sterilized after one live birth. It wasn't easy, it was Indiana in the 1980's and the law wouldn't let them do it unless I had two kids. I had to fly to San Diego California for the procedure. Everyone should see this study. I have used the description posted here as an example of how I can take pretty much any issue and bring it back to over population.
Huh? You self-sterilyzed?
It would be interesting to see this experiment redone with a normal population size of individuals but with numerous screens in the enclosure showing other mice and simulating overpopulation.
If movie realisator can make a tv show explaining this will be amazing
This aged too well.
@@blackswan1983 definitely.
I think we saw that in reality the last 3 years :-)
Freaky thing is its already happening.
Yeah, it's just on a civilizational scale - the post-modern West...
I consider myself a beautiful one.
We are going the exact same way.
Yep just as soon as we gave women rights.
@@midnightgrower4144 Is not gave, Women deserve should have women rights.
This is a Beautiful delve into psychology! Its effects can be seen reflected today
Yes! People are little better than mice!
Of Mice and Men
Korean newest population census is exactly what Dr Calhoun shows to us. More than 50% of Korean young people do not want to marry because they know marriage equals living quality decline.
This really says a lot about society
Says nothing its just mice lol
@@deliriumbee4678 exactly
And since we re NOT mice..
This research on the mice .. says NOTHING at all.
Sad thing is..
Klaus Schwab Bill gates Anthony Fauci etc..
Do think we are mice.
Yes, Nikki, its looks like whats going on in japanese society, really similar.
@@deliriumbee4678 About social mammals that depends on the said society? Yeah... let me see if I can think of another species that fit the category...
Literally
THING IS!!! If people would realize their well being, they might be inspired to help others
Sad that the actual films and reports from the time gets less views than the narrator who just tells you what happened.
The problem isn't the population growth but the "utopia" this is so scary. Our value systems have changed and they are continuing to change them
Are our values not a reflection of our surroundings? (i.e. overpopulation.) Not only this but does the internet exacerbate meaningless contacts?
You have misunderstood the conclusions of this experiment. The society of mice changed because of overpopulation. Each mouse now has too many other mice to interact with. That means each mouse has less value as a friend or partner. If there are two people in a cage, they will either become enemies or friends, or they will ignore, but one thing is for sure, the other person in the cage is very important to them in some way. If you put 1000 in the same cage, suddenly it becomes a free for all. The neighbor doesn't matter because if I don't like him I can find somebody else, and I can keep trying because there are so many people. At the same time, every other person also places such a low value on me, the same way I do on them. This creates a society in which nobody can become close to each other anymore because there is this perception that someone out there is a better person to spend time with than this flawed neighbor of mine. So if there are 7 billion people, why bother with anyone less than perfect? And so, finding nobody perfect (and we never will), we eventually realize it isn't worth spending time with anybody at all. And at this point, you become a beautiful one, or you decide enough of this, and you lower your standards and be more real with people and give them more chances to make things right in your relationships, but then, the chances are so very slim that you will meet someone with the same value system as you. Because most of them are either living under the old "disposable" system where nobody has any value because nobody is perfect, or else they are beautiful ones, not participating. Woe is the one who returns from being a beautiful one and decides to interact again, because he will spend a long time searching for another person who thinks he's not disposable.
The utopia aspect may play a role in survivability... but if the beautiful ones began to starve, they would just become aggressive again. I don't believe it would do much to change the disposable society.
Five Five I agree. What do you think about the simple fact of the removal of meaningful suffering. Since pain is the only thing real and something we can’t ignore in a non utopian world, does that not make it the prime force to act as soon as we see relation in action and suffering. But when non action becomes the only way to reduce suffering who would not want to be a beautiful one?
He had even mice who did not see any relation between defence and reduction of suffering.
Obviously a set environment that will eliminate all basic meaningful elements of suffering (shelter and food) will lead to a complete collapse of the colony
@@bjoernsTUBE our sad truth, in this cruel, unforgiving world.
How true your statements are, folks. I consider myself a beautiful one with attitude. I interact with very few people FTF, my internet friends usually mean more to me.
I am 63 and can survive alone if necessary. I would bet more younger people will turn away from our current toxic culture. What was the phrase back in the day? Tune in, turn on, drop out. That is what I did.
The true horror of the mice from the secret of NIMH
It's not a secret. Literally everything is open source, published, with reproducible methodologies and experimental ingredients that other scientists can replicate.
@@thanhavictus
The secret is the super-intelligent ones that escaped. Secret of Nimh is a Don Bluth cartoon film about sentient mice.
They have it free with ads.
(I'm so old I saw it in the theater.)
@@manictiger The Secret of Nimh originated as a book.
@@starchildslollipop3475 Same.
Some of the findings not listed here for anyone who might be curious. Because this is now happening in our own world. Not making fun or light of any of it. The mice began to exhibit a lot of out of sorts characteristics homosexuality, narcissism (the beautiful ones Calhoun called them), eating their own young, mothers having babies and rejecting them, non-attachment of infants, etc. These things are happening in our own world Birth rates are going down while death rates (by old age and other reasons) are rising higher than the birth rates. Because of these things human beings are exhibiting a lot of the same traits as the mice in Universe 25. Once set upon this path for mice these things could not be undone because they became ingrained behaviors. We are doing the same. Our contact with too many humans is making us much like the mice. Our way of communicating... Our young not attaching to parents. Parents not caring for their children... Rejection and scaring of psyche... There is a lot of research on these topics but most have to be read because it isn't a video... And our kind doesn't like to read anymore... Sadly.
Seems like a half-dozen or so old Jews wrote in a Book about these events occurring some 2000 to 3400 years ago.
Can someone explain how in the end fire there were like at least 10 mice and one started a fight then the other fough against each other. While some tried to remain out of the fights and slowly everyone fighting each other then one being left remain. Can someone explain how one was left like what happen,
he predicted an Orwellian future in the 70s and by god was he right. here in 2022, we are seeing this happen across the democratic world, let alone previously tyrannical governments
It is a possible outcome . I have faith the world can be healed and coexist.
You just had to bring a political party into it and as far as im concerned that totally nullifies youre comment. being a democrat or a Republican has nothing to do with it. after all Rep. and Dems are just two sides of the same damn coin.
no party was mentioned@@coyleigh
*These experiments show our present and our future.*
6:30 "This is a rather complex curve.."
That's pretty funny, I was slightly confused at first haha
So now that certain types of suffering are not forced upon us, to raise ourselves further we must take them on willingly... ?
... It's pretty, really...
Yes. How many people do u know spend their free time reading advanced textbooks.
Probably none
Cuz it's hard.
But I'd get we'd progress pretty fast if every public library were filled with people learning RN
Like everbody go read up on energy technology and cancer right now, GO.
But instead well throw a few bucks to a charity to feel good about ourselves, and wait for the big company's to say it okay to have windmills
The fact, that this has only 42 K views, ladies and gentlemen, is one of reasons why we won´t B able to escape this fate of mices in final stage from his experiment, video of 16-year old, picking up it´s nose would possibly have 100 times more views than this these days... :) CZcams posseses gr8 content, yet it´s not in interest of our "nice ones" :))
That's why we should share through social sites!!!
@@maribelecheverria1330
"That's why we should share through social sites!!!"
The cure to oversocialization is... oversocialization technology.
Yep. Porn, pets and makeup are the constructs of the internet.
@@PatIreland
They are now. The internet has changed the meaning of a lot of concepts. Empathy doesn't mean empathy anymore, it means "give me what I want". Activisim now means being a lobbyist on social media. Friend means absolutely nothing. So yes, porn, pets and makeup are now constructs of the internet. Porn now is completely different to what it was before the internet. Makeup is now something cool "socialist" politicians like AOC does for her social media justice followers. Yes, they are now basically constructs of the internet.
@@the81kid well... thats a rather long example to show what an overgeneralization is
The problem here is that the universe itself is best to deal with these problems rather than having a few men dictate to the universe what is right. Those few men, no matter how intelligent they are will surely fail. The universe has natural means to regulate things and it does the best possible job that can be done. When humans think they have outsmarted the universe they just have to look under a few blocks to find out they were wrong.
@Kodfk Dleepd
Totally agree: the more they try to control, the more chaotic it becomes.
The guy continuing to dig Calhoun about what the Government should do. Calhoun working hard to sidestep the question.
Actually the government is pushing us in this direction. Don't ask me why. We should know better than mice cause we are able to document things and learn from them.
@@RonCoop From libertarian perspective you are right. The interviewer is the beautiful one, because asking someone else to resolve the problem. It is scary, how the people due good life is becoming less and less aware for the importance of survival and leaving the offspring,
Reflecting on humans, there seems to be objectivity behind the statement that "Hard times create strong men -- strong men create good times -- good times create weak men -- weak men create hard times". Our societies are the image of our physical beings, and the physical beings are within the nature's regulated / closed feedback loop. The destruction and creation within societies are, thus, natural order.
We may be developing "technology of the future", but we ourselves aren't developed enough to evolve onto another evolution stage. We don't have the adaptations for living in a "perfect society", thus the wars and the destruction.
IF NOTHING, we should slow down our technological progress considering how advanced our minds are in creating illnesses and other super weapons. We're irresponsible, and no nation is an exception.
I have the same thing: the intellectual growth of mankind is needed, otherwise the next technological leap will kill civilization.
@@LUH-3417 True. I know many engineers who consider the same. The issue is not with the technology makers as much as it is with the "money makers", especially corporate.
A person who rebels against the technocracy is left unemployed/unemployable --- without food, without healthcare, without home, (and thus) without a social life. The problem is our materialistic "nature" (or, should I say, the social construct of the modern society).
Interesting note at ~24:50 about territoriality in low density setting and then the reduction of territories at higher densities, though no comment about how the development of territory size (and their anxieties) is affected by animal lifetimes (living long enough to worry about the change)
Could the problems be due to inbreeding? I don't remember reading in the article that brought me here that the scientists ever introduced new mice. From what I understood, they were all related to the first group of mice. czcams.com/video/-lyPXmUhZXA/video.html
That's what I was thinking too. With enough pure blood you end up with fools
But us as humans are also inbreds. We all are children of adam and eve after all
@@berserk7672 no we were individual bacterias. We were organism simultaneously created after the bing bang and natural evolution after millions of years.
@@karima_MK It was actually the Bing Bang Walla-Walla Bing-Bang that created you and me.
No. The problem is when you encounter another person you go into a heightened state of cognition, defensive mechanisms go up, The nervous system is extremely heightened. After encounters the organism needs space and alone time to process the data and learn.
In a space where the mind and nervous system gets no peace, It is forever in an extremely heightened phase burning high energy with stress and not processing or learning anything.
If there is no peace to process, the mind will not learn and will degenerate.
For Jonathan
We are now seeing the rise up of the beautiful ones.
So do we Live in a universe where Mr. Freeman is a guard this time while Mr. Calhoun is a scientist?
Barney was trying to warn us of the resonance cascade all along.
Observing the environment I don’t see anything for these mice to entertain themselves, they are also not in a natural environment. I believe these aspects can cause them to become aggressive towards each other. There’s no trees, bushes, bodies of water or anything other than some hard floors, food, water in containers and themselves.
@Cion B
Agree; there is no novelty of any kind in their lives, and no problem solving requirements. There are no life challenges, which are among factors that drive evolution. Quite unnatural.
Very good points. I would also add that related to your observations the mice don't have to make any effort for their food or water or habitation, because they're not in their natural environment. They're living in a zoo. A tiger would go crazy living in a very comfortable cell, and so do the mice here, and so are people more and more.
cant extrapolate to humans, mice didnt had internet. So in humans the rate of collapse will be bigger...
You better get used to it. With sexual liberation, feminism, the unattainable standards for men that women desire, unfair divorce courts, the traditional family model destroyed, and new adult entertainment technologies, I wouldn't be surprised if more and more men no longer want to form relationships.
Obviously, most men will not become "the beautiful ones", but they will be the human equivalent of them.
@@thebeautifulone1916 that happend with mice....the same things
@@thebeautifulone1916 sad but true we live in dark times
@@thebeautifulone1916 Well you don't need a majority of men to engage. One man is perfectly capable of impregnating dozens of women throughout his life. But there are also more and more women not interested in having children.
Brilliant and terrifying.
John Calhoun is a very intelligent person. Brilliant, it could even be argued. I would love to see this experiment repeated with a few variables, and a constant feed that we could tune into live. This way the footage would be a little more visible and that the data could be presented Dailey with visual analysis. This is wonderful. This also shows how much has changed that there was actually farm land available in this area of Maryland. Montgomery county is basically the human version of this experiment on the 7.5 billion mark.
@steven Woodward...I think it has been. Just look at the structural design of the living environments...i.e "projects" presenting I live in the Caribben, where ever there are "projects" you find the highest level of crime. We see it in schools also. I see it as controlled chaos...Now think about what people call the project in the USA...I went to France in 2018...they have projects there too....same behavioral abnormalities...
John Calhoun looks like Mr Ages from The Secret of NIMH
Hmm, well towards the end of the video, it shows him releasing 12 of the "aggressive males" into a new area where they suddenly had enough room to spread out and claim their territory and immediately they were fighting for dominance. The 2nd group of males was the "Socially withdrawn" group of 12 males. They took a little bit to get comfortable with their surroundings and then resorted to the same aggression, fighting for dominance. Just goes to show you, that males, whether they are an introvert or extrovert, are still going to fight for dominance... except for the one that got smart and hid in the food dish above everyone so he wouldn't get attacked. He's one of the beautiful ones probably. Staying the heck out of the fights, and sticking close to the food! LOL
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its odd how life is so damned comparable to those rodent utopias humanity is currently... just before the collapse... females wanting the optimal mate (the three 6's 6foot6inch6figures) and red pill groups going their own ways focusing on hobbies and careers, a big uptick in popularity for LGBTQ+ being pushed on youth, females interested in careers going far into their reproductive cycle... i would consider all these to be the "beautiful ones" as all of these behaviours are leading to a decline in the necessary population replenishment rate leading to a population implosion similar to the rodent utopia cultural/environmentally learned habits that lead to a lack of breeding even to sustain the status quo... quite interesting XD
fun fact from what ive heard about the introduction of mice aggressive, passive or beautiful ones from prior utopias ended up speeding up the process of the transplanted utopias implosion... their habits came with them and infected the population leading to swift declines in population growth and destruction of the new colony in a far shorter time frame then the populations that grew to the size that the behaviour started in...
Geniously.
Is the Prince song "Beautiful Ones" referencing this somewhat?
Complete conformity = Apathetic society = Decline in reasoning and survival instincts = Our Unknowing, egotistical demise
It seems to me this experiment is likely misunderstood. Mice get stressed when they live in to big of groups. In the wild they would be able to spread out and avoid each other easily. The confrontations that mice have would likely result in both mice going different directions. In this case the constant contact of mice and aggression led to a lack of reproduction. Mice aren't interested in reproducing and fighting over territory at the same time. The beautiful mice were not different from the other mice, in that neither were interested in reproducing. The beautiful mice just favored running rather than fighting. Unlimited space and limited food would have been a more natural situation and would likely have resulted in a stable population.
His experiment is stupid tbh
exactly
Does unlimited space and limited food really represent the world of today?
@@indy_go_blue6048 For humans or mice?
Very Sobering indeed
i observe that kind of behavior in the streets these days and some even on myself yes..
We're definitely at the stagnation phase
Almost.
At the beginning of it.
The west is, Africa and some places near there have yet to catch up.
we have entered the Die of phase!
That ELE comet can't get here soon enough!
Happy 1984 everyone !
Undeniable
Foi um grande prenúncio....
Behavioral Sink is real
God help us
After three month of isolation by CORONA, I understand mices
@Kazu Tama
That is one of the main goals of the Corona virus. How do you feel now that they have kept this B.S. Corona virus propaganda going for 9 months so far.
Lol you thought three months was much its been a year
@@tryn2think43 It's been even wilder watching you all fall apart during two winters in Antarctica. "BS" based on...?
Largely the lockdowns and pandemic have been as difficult as they were because our population has lost the psychological capacity for socially and individually processing them. This isn't the first global pandemic, but certain demographics seem to ignore history.
I like how he differentiate mice from human… compassion plays a key role. Global population rate is slowing and in some countries, collapsing. Stress plays a big role. But in places where children are born by by children, morality descends to immorality. In addition, the youth are forever exposed to bad choices in entertainments like concerts… lyrics in songs, outfits or lack of them, inappropriate choreographies in concerts, broadways via internet. Will these exposures lead to COMPASSION or selfishness, narcissistic tendencies… beautiful ME?
Canada's birth rate is declining & had to depend on Immigration to grow its labour force. Look at Japan or India, too much people fighting to live in such a small area. It's causing stress & discomfort. People are having less kids. Eventually countries will resort in genetic engineering to grow its population. Very interesting study.
2020 - 7.5 Billion population - (2020 early 21st century) - that 9 billion is coming quick but things are already happening.
Is it me or does this guy kinda look and sound like Col. Sanders?
What did you think their puny chicken wings were made of...chicken?
To hi when i saw thumb nail i liggett thought the mouse was his thumb. But yet good watch
We have been on the planet for 5 -7 Million years if current science is accurate. I wonder if the exponential development of man and length of time it actually took would have drastically changed his predictions. I can only imagine so. I think that the "less babies being born" thing is important because we are seemingly nearing that now. A movement of men who have chosen to be self focused and who have decided not to date have developed here in the US. It's kind of crazy how accurate this is.
But only a few races took population growth seriously in 1972, namely the white. It's the 3rd world that exploded and is now making a shambles of the world.
My (wise) mother used to say that 'cities' were the downfall of man
I say that the MEGAcities are the most unnatural, ungodly things on the planet Earth.
Usher in the eugenics and philanthropist
Hope not 😳
It is 2022. How much time do people have?
Until 2045.
Isso a Globo não mostra... Rs
Humans have no no idea they're living this do to social conditioning
Motivation...................................................................................
Looks like San Francisco 2021
Inherent natural order in the construction of all life such as our own on this planet.
As we speak
We're fucked. It's over for humanity.
So let’s see how we can use the time we have left
@@BearCore667 Let's all get drunk and party like it's 1999.
@jacobsockness571 The world ended in 1999. We live in purgatory now
Around 27:00 he says we have to protect ourselves from too many contacts and social roles, makes me think the internet and social media is something this guy never envisioned, and he wouldn't have thought it was benign haha
how familiar
7:11. the real Dr.Valentine.
As is every city in the u.s. facts!!!!!
Seen this at school in 1975
The mice were just pissed because no one would focus the camera.
God help us all if rats and/or mice ever _out-evolve_ us.
¿Subtitulo en español?
No he encontrado el documental tal cual con traduccion al español... pero hay varios videos en youtube de aficionados que lo explican.
Buscalo como
Universo 25, Ratones, Calhoun
@@antoniomartinez-ij9qd gracias por intentar👍
This is just scary.
Cats and dogs living together, total Mayham❗️
Dr. Venkman?
Remember his research was funded by The Rockefeller Institute... 😉🤔
Smart city endgame
Aspects of De-evolution correlated to abundance and no predator above us or call to adventure. Apex as a detriment.
This perfectly describes modern human society.
This is the future of planet earth.
The age of the beautiful ones sounds supreme.
The wording sounds Supreme but it's not. It's the peak before population extinction.
Watching in 2021….it’s happening 😳
The studies never ended.
Why has noone pointed out that the mice essentially had unlimited resources (food and water) nor did they have to provide their own resources.
Everyone seems to talk about this and population explosion.
I think way more conclusions could be drawn about resources and maybe even a post scarcity society.
Seems like has little to do with density, we know this for sure.
Give a population unlimited resources and they do not have to work for... What would happen? That seems far more troubling...
Of Mice And Men?
Muh cat 🐱