Can Physics Explain Consciousness? | Professor Steven Gimbel discusses quantum consciousness
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If the universe is only made up of the physical, why does it seem that a recently deceased person "isn't there" anymore? If the physical and mental parts of the universe were completely separate, then why do your palms sweat when you get nervous? Place your bets: Physics and philosophy are about to throw down.
Presented by Steven Gimbel
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0:00 Researchers Seek a Theory of Everything
1:15 Reductionism Reduces All Studies to Physics
2:58 Dualism Strangely Coincides with Reductionism
3:20 Descartes´ Evil Demon Fails at One Crucial Point
5:06 Descartes´ Paradox Reveals Mind Distinct from Body
5:47 Free Will Presents a Problem for Reductionists
7:08 Gimbel´s Experiment Flounts Mind Over Matter
9:13 Mind Matter Interplay to Theory of Everything
12:12 Elan´s Vital Force Leads to Will Being Differentiator
13:10 Consciousness Confounds Materialists
15:06 Gimbel Grills Schrodinger's Equation
16:30 Spin-Correlated Particles Lead to Schrodinger's Cat
19:29 Human Observation Changes Everything in the Universe
20:20 Quantum Theory Is Used to Support Materialism
22:48 Penrose Pursues Materialistic Mental Gymnastics
22:27 Neurath's Isotype Imagery Identifies Structural Value
29:57 Structures and Interplay Define Life
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I watched this video now i have good and bad feelings. Good feeling because the content of video is rich and bad because he explains all i learned in one year of research in 30 minutes in an unbelievably accurate and comrehensible way! Excellent and impressive!
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This is the epitome of present human understanding about consciousness. I encourage this to be shared across so that it may sprout new ideas in the new generation.
It seems to me that "free will" is quite limited, in that the only free will we have is whether to act on desires, and if so, how. However, we have no free will as to what desires we have, or perhaps, are imposed upon us.
We exercise freewill everytime we make contemplated decisions, that are above and beyond instinctive reactive decisions. Planning and consideration, followed by action, seem to be the line between determinism and freewill.
It's interesting to think that if your worried about something happening or not in the universe you could say from your perspective that something would be in a superpositional state.
Consciousness can explain Physics!
Agreed, we can explain physics from our perspective however are we not all using our consciousness to be able to explain physics?
We can’t really prove anything whilst the only tool we have to use to evaluate anything is something we have yet to prove itself.
We are measuring everything using our consciousness which at the moment is the equivalent of using a ruler with no numbers on it, so all we really have is a stick, that we ate presuming we can use as a ruler.
I mean no disrespect with this reply, but I just wonder if it’s perhaps physics (and potentially everything else) that exist because of consciousness?
At the deepest level, it is a chicken and egg question.
@@djjfive it’s not really a chicken and egg question. How would you know physics without consciousness? Nothing exists without the knowing of it.
@@OnlyNewAgeMusic True, but perhaps consciousness is the only real thing, it’s the only thing we can be sure of being real. Physics, mathematics, matter, space and time may only be a construct of consciousness, not saying I know this is how it is but this is where I wonder if this could be the case...
Sure, it's called vivid imagination. Problem is, those particular imaginings don't usually result in anything testable or useful.
Penrose and Hameroff, of course, put forward a testable hypothesis in recent years - Orch OR. It was eventually disproven, but it was at least testable. Theirs is the only exception that I'm aware of.
Insightful, informative, and mind altering.
The interface between thought and physical action is the pinnacle of phycology.
It is the essence of why we need to train and practice thoughts, in order to produce desired physical outcomes.
To consciously mould our personality, in order to create our preferred physical world.
Outstanding explanation
You have a humorous way of interacting with the world and your students. I
Wow 👍👌👏👏👏👏👏 such a beautiful discription ❤️
I very much enjoyed the presentation..I would only suggest that the wave function of particles does not collapse because we LOOK at them.. The interaction with other particles causes this..There are no observer DEPENDENT characteristics to matter.. For these reasons there is no entanglement of a live and dead cat. Schrodinger was right to doubt the idea.. DUE TO particle interactions there are virtually no Quantum effects in a cat. An observer will simply DISCOVER if the cat has died or not without the superposition..Thanks.
Consciousness is music and this lecture warps the 5 sensations.
Definitely doesn't help existential dread.
However I'm glad to be a part of all of this chaos.
Weird how monkeys can receive information and then turn it into physical invention.
Its normal to feel "weird". Our brain definetly didn't evolve to understand existence, conciousness or the universe. All we acheived is a by-product of language and survivalism.
excellent speaker
Hey - I know this guy! Great stuff!
1. Consciousness is holding the same place in the universe what it holds in a dream.
2. A dream,Including every body living in the dream is observed by consciousness which is not a part of the dream.
3. The universe, including every body living in the universe is also observed by consciousness which is not a part of the universe.
Can you clarify that first sentence? I don't get what you're saying here. Really though I'm more interested in what specifically you mean by "dream" and how it relates to any of this.
The ancient Vedic rishi(sage) in all their wisdom said as early as 8000 BC , that our universe is not woven from matter but consciousness .
(They never patent there knowledge there own name, as all knowledge are Akashik records) .
There are connections between quantum mechanics and consciousness .
Om Isha vasyam idam sarvam, yat kincha jagatyam jagat'
ॐ ईशा वास्यमिदँ सर्वं यत्किञ्च जगत्यां जगत् ।
तेन त्यक्तेन भुञ्जीथा मा गृधः कस्यस्विद्धनम्
"All this- whatever exists in this changing universe, is pervaded by consciousness"
--Isa Upanishad .5000-BCE
Consciousness is the intelligence, the organising principle behind the arising of form. The quantum field or pure consciousness is influenced by intention and desire.
Animals express consciousness through instinct. Humans , in addition to instinct we possess the highest quality of consciousness, --self awareness. Self awareness or reflective thought is thus the difference between animals and humans. Reflection is the power to turn one’s consciousness upon oneself, to know oneself and especially to know that one knows.. maths , physics, philosophy , astronomy etc is due to man’s unique ability to reflect inwardly.
Most people never raise their consciousness much above that of the beast and the spark of divinity within them remains dormant the whole of their lives . Perception occurs in the gap of alert attention. This is the inner space. When you visit new places , the experiencing and sense perception takes up more of their consciousness than thinking .
There is a consciousness in every molecule of matter.
The brain without consciousness is inert and lifeless. Consciousness is a form of matter just as matter is a form of consciousness.
All atoms in the entire universe are capable of mind reading and communicating with other atoms. There is a consciousness in every molecule of matter.
As per quantum physics things do not exist in its physical form, unless they are observed by a conscious observer.
In every experiment when an observer expected energy to behave as a particle, it did so. When he thought it would probably be wave-like, it was. And when observers believed it might start out as one form and end up as another, it did so.
This means ,nothing actually exists in its physical form until observed by someone, was adopted by the group as one of the concepts. You created them by your expectations and your thoughts of what should be. In every situation in your life, including the wealth or lack of it you choose to attract to you.
Thanks to the theory of ERP Quantum Entanglement, originally asserted by Albert Einstein and two fellow scientists , Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen, we now have proof that what Vedanta had been saying for 9000 years is true.We are all connected. We are all One, sharing a consciousness with the entire universe, perhaps even many universes.
Warner Heisenberg
"After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense."
BrahmAn as per Vedas means THE MORPHOGENIC CONSCIOUSNESS FIELD.
Consciousness is the intelligence, the organising principle behind the arising of form. The quantum field or pure consciousness is influenced by intention and desire.
"The Vedanta and the Sankhya hold the key to the laws of mind and thought process which are co-related to the Quantum Field, i.e. the operation and distribution of particles at atomic and molecular levels."
Prof. Brian David Josephson,
Physicist
This means ,nothing actually exists in its physical form until observed by someone, was adopted by the group as one of the concepts. You created them by your expectations and your thoughts of what should be. In every situation in your life, including the wealth or lack of it you choose to attract to you.
"When ever i give lecture on quatum physics
I feel as if i am talking on Vedanta ."
Adi Shankara said, ‘All that you see doesn’t exist’. One of the top scientists of our times, Dr. Hans-Peter Durr said, ‘I studied matter for the last 35 years, only to find out that it does not exist! I have been studying something that does not exist’.
Dr. Hans-Peter Dürr (1929-2014). Biography. Quantum Scientist . Nuclear Physicist
When Buddha says “All is illusion,” he isn’t saying that nothing is real. He’s saying that your mind’s projections onto reality are illusions. He’s saying that the elements in the universe that form every physical thing we see-solid, liquid, gas-if they’re taken down to a subatomic level, they don’t exist. Therefore all we see is an illusion, because it’s shape or form, not true essence.
"I go into the Upanishads to ask questions."--
Niels Bohr,
"God Is Not One" By Stephen Prothero, Page No. 144
THE COSMOS IS THE PLAYGROUND OF MAYA.. FROM MICROCOSM TO MACROCOSM..
Bhagavad Gita is all about BEING IN THE MOMENT.
You cannot change your past, you cannot survive without water, you cannot change natures principle. The only solution is to accept things as they are.
Life is a combination or physical, intellectual and spiritual aspects. Without spiritual development , man is without love or positive emotions ( affection, care, respect, sympathy ) .
To be successful you must be exited about life. Life is a festival only to those who live with enthusiasm. Lack of enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.
Good manners are the best letters of recommendation. Bad manners reduce our acceptability in society, thereby affecting our social relations. A good laugh is the best medicine.. Laughter is a tranquiliser with no side effects. Laughter is the cheapest luxury, it electrifies the nerves and cleanse the system.
Love is food for the soul. Jealousy is poison for the soul. Better to forgive and forget than hate and remember. Fear tends to produce the things we are afraid of.
You must fight and make your own life on the planet. Don’t expect anybody else to do it for you. Make most of the best and least of the worst. Man alone is the architect of his destiny. Inaction is worse than no action at all.
Karma is the result of your actions. If you do something good, you will get good tings in return and if you do bad things, you will get likewise in return.
Karma or the actions that you do in the present life is passed on to the next life. But fate is not passed on to the next life.
Dharma is when we are walking the path of our soul's purpose. When we are walking our path we are out of karma. We are no longer creating cause and effect. We are in flow with the universe, with our spirit. Our soul is line with the Divine.
Schrodinger wrote: “Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves.”“the stages of human development are to strive for Possession (Artha), Knowledge (Dharma), Ability (Kama), Being (Moksha)” “Nirvana is a state of pure blissful knowledge.. It has nothing to do with individual.
The ego or its separation is an illusion. The goal of man is to preserve his Karma and to develop it further - when person dies his karma lives and creates for itself another carrier.”
“In all world,” writes Schroedinger in his book My View of the World (chapter iv)
@@AmitKumar-qz2us नमस्ते सर मेरी इंग्लिश थोड़ी कमजोर है ये आदमी क्या बता रहा है क्या ये आत्मा के अस्तित्व को स्वीकार रहा है या नकार रहा है ओर हमारे आदि शंकराचार्य ने जो कहा था की जगत मिथ्या है वो सही था आज के वैज्ञानिकों के अनुसार ? कृपया जवाब जरूर दें 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@saniyagamer-xd2oq Yes....
@@AmitKumar-qz2us मतलब आत्मा का अस्तित्व होता है ओर आदि शंकराचार्य ने सही कहा था ?
1. Consciousness is holding the same place in the universe what it holds in a dream.
2. A dream is imagined, seen and known by consciousness which is independent of the dream.
3. The universe is imagined, seen and known by consciousness which is independent of the universe.
Neurophilosophy. That's what's being described at the end. It's a fascinating new frontier - philosophy of mind in light of neuroscience.
I am a physiologist. I like his points
Consciousness is the foundation of reality.
The observer does not have to be human, or even alive. Heisenberg himself wrote:
“... it does not matter whether the observer is an apparatus or a human being; but the registration, i.e., the transition from the "possible" to the "actual," ...”
Rickard Bergelius yeah theres no such thing as conciousness in this system
True, and whats called an 'observation' is merely an interaction between particles.
Even it is an apparatus, in the end it is still a human who look at the result. That's when collapse of the wave functions start (if I understood it correctly)
@@alpacino4857 And if a baboon observes reality ?
@@cristianm7097 that is what I am asking, do consciousness only consider to be in
human form ? what about ants ? My thinking is that ALL consciousness are related to the cosmic (whole) consciousness. We are just experiencing the world and the cosmic consciousness is experiencing thru' us. In short it is the cosmic consciousness that is having an experience of (all) life.
Physics is the intricate knowledge of consciousness collapsed.
These lectures on consciousness are like based on a story. A few blind people came in contact with a body of a big elephant. Each blind person touched a part of the body of elephant and described in his own way. Leg as a pillar, tale as a rope etc. etc. The same thing is happening now a days about Consciousness. Has any body tried or put his whole hearted efforts to experience consciousness. Without testing sugar, how one can describe or explain what sweetness is.
Yes. Look into Neurophilosophy.
many thanks for the wonderfull lecture!
what concers the topic -- before trying to understand consciousness we need much better understanding of what is life. life is a very specific physical processes in the universe related with processing of information. earth life is nonlocal -- it's not restricted to the size of our planet (or the solar system) -- it has a scale of the whole entire observable universe. evolution of life in a form of the world's global living system (Darwinian evolution) is governed by the fundamental laws of physics (life is a game governed by quantum rules) and therefore is fully deterministic. at the same time parts of this single living system can possess certain degrees of freedom to choose their own way of living within very restricted possibilities.
what concerns the Schrodinger's cat -- it cannot be separated from the laborant within a laboratory -- they are entangled with each other by nonlocal ties as well as deeply tied with the same physical universe which is their common environment in which all earth creatures live. also need to add that there is no such a thing as "quantum state of a living thing" -- life is a process, but not a state.
more to add that a cat is a symbiotic animal and by itself represents a complex living system instead of a single organism))
Interesting. I agree in part. We are non-local, our consciousness - I would say Soul _ is non-local, in a state of super-position, or as the Buddhist's say :At One Ment" with all life everywhere, and with the Universe. When we are in deep meditation, we can center our awareness in our super-position and experience Oneness with All That Is and the Unmanifest aspect of our Divine Creator - the ambient Divine Love Field which all life everywhere in the Universe is immersed in. The problem with the Schroedinger's Cat model is its false reductionism. All sentient beings have consciousness, anyone who has ever had a pet cat knows this without question. The 'Enlightenment" belief that all animals are just automata is a false doctrine that thankfully is now relegated more and more to the heap of outdated entrenched dogmas that restricted our understanding for a certain time - but are eventually discarded. So there WAS an observer within the set-up of the protocol of variable and invariable factors - in other words, the experimental model was flawed.
Science is finally giving us a conceptual armature to understanding our Divine super-position and At One Ment with All life everywhere - and in all time. The great visionary/paleontologist/priest, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin called this awareness that was the ultimate goal of our evolution - The Omega Point. We, as a species, have finally reached The Omega Point and in our wave function (meditation, spiritual inner work, prayer) we can position our points of individual consciousness there, and create coherence in our collective (Universal) consciousness field, to the energies of Oneness, Love and Divine Light, which is our true goal, purpose and ultimate fulfilment.
To me brain contains the energy it creates our consciousness, our brain function according to our body needs or the needs created by the brain, because brain has direct contact with outside world through our eyes it can see and sometimes will dictate us what we need, sexual desire comes directly from the brain, and it controlled by the brain, if we allowed our brain to concentrate on that subject, how much brain controls the body that much body controls the brain. Brain can do whole lot more than current scientists knew about it, our brain has ability to communicate near by galaxies and absorb energy by its own depend how we used our brain, it all depend how much freedom your body will give to your brain. when we are deep sleep our brain functions by its own anything our brain absorb through out the space it get mixed with our reality and comes us as dream,
We knew what you are talking already...i expecting you to explain the center of the brain that works to process between matter and right and left...negative and positive...up and down....yes or no....
24:10 is when you spark the bowl FYI.
Got that right.
Being conscious is merely the name for the fact that
the world outside us is represented inside us.
It's not a magic process.
Opening the eyes should be a big clue for everyone as to how it happens.
Study of consciousness influenced by one's own religious beliefs / ideology creates hurdle in understanding the topic.
True we know some things, yet there is more to learn, of course.
Life is over when there isn't. Could you imagine a world without discovery?
@Woody Gilson discover is automatically going to happen when each young and old person has experienced life before and after death, despite personal beliefs because we cannot destroy energy or spirit whatsoever the name, only change.
@@1978rayking I think one would do better to live as if this is it, the one opportunity to experience what life can be _without_ gods and ghosts dictating one's personal decisions based on primitive myths and superstitions of whichever group of primitives or so-called spiritualists they come from. Such things have never served human progress. Historically, they've only ever stood in the way, and that's without even mentioning all the horrific things people have been and are willing to do to each other because of it. Religion is poison.
@Woody Gilson you are correct humans eventually abuse power no matter what. Religion all religions have gems of history yet are also packaged with things prophets added over time and their understanding no doubt. I myself am not religious I am very spiritual because of my own experiences.
@@1978rayking I was religious my whole life until a couple of years ago. Now I'm a devout anti-theist, physicalist, eliminative materialist, determinist, all the things some people claim would make a person devoid of awe and without a sense of meaning, but it's amazing this existence. We're genetically related to every living thing on the planet. We exist because a star died. And since we were born of a supernova, we're related on a molecular level to everything else in and on Earth. On the atomic level, we're related to everything in the entire cosmos. In fact, we're as much "the universe" as everything else we see when we look beyond our place in it. We're literally the universe happening. That, to me, is something far more profound and worthy of awe than primitive mythologies and popular personal superstitions.
The individual did not Want to write guacamole, but rather didn't see any harm in doing so when told to, presumably under the impression they were being asked to do so for a reason. This differs from acting like a chicken because the individual will likely feel embarrassed or violated in some way by the act, motivating them to resist the instruction.
However, it is possible that if this was performed with a different student with a different personality type, they may be willing to get in front of the class and act like a chicken, happy to bring entertainment to others without any feelings of embarrassment.
Aside from physical wants such as hunger, thirst, and sleep, most "wants" are external in nature, often social
“Want” was a bad choice of word. “Chose” is more like it.
"Want" in this case is to intentionally act. All things that you purposefully do is because you want to do it, even if coerced. Any time you're listening to a deep philosophical decision, you're going to have to learn to use existing words in "unnatural" ways because it's the best we got to communicate with.
Suicide is a circus act
Free will isn't the problem; you can take it or leave it. The real issue is Qualia. What physical system could ever correlate to what it's like to see red. What does it even mean to suppose that the subjective internal experience of what it's like to think of the number 2, could somehow be constructed physically? Inner, subjective awareness of qualia isn't something you can construct from purely physical components - as a materialist, I am loathe to admit this glaring problem, but alas, there must be something quite hinky going on in some fundamental way, that we just don't understand yet.
These are only the beginning of what we can actually do if you have phycic abilities. RA
Radios were invented to overcome the fact that we aren't psychic.
Perhaps all energy is conscious and the body shapes the consciousness into the soul or mind, does that make me materialist, dualistic or pan psychological
Yes because you said the body shapes the mind. Actually it is the opposite. Mind / consciousness come first, them materialism.
This is the reason scientist cannot directly detect so-called dark energy. Said energy has a vibration, much higher than the vibrations that make up the physical realm. Instruments made out of matter can only detect matter.
As an example in the matter realm, a sub-woofer cannot detect and reproduce ultrasonic vibrations.
Physics is the study of energy within the matter realm..hence the reason the laws of physics cannot explain what happens beyond the sub-atomic realm...the vibrations are too high.
This is where spirituality comes in. It involves raising one's consciousness. Our MINDs are more than capable of detecting the higher vibrations. Said higher vibrations would then allow us to use more and more of our brain - which is made of matter.
We are much more than we currently perceive in our physical body. The mind CAN be projected outside the body. This is a natural ability which we have forgotten but do have the potential ability to regain said ability - many people are currently doing just that.
As a few people raise their consciousness, the collective consciousness is also raised. WHY?..it is because ALL life is one interconnected whole. Separation is an illusion and the seed of all conflict and dis-ease. It is also the consciousness of anti-christ, for Christ consciousness is the awareness that all life is one...hence the advice, do unto others as we would like others to do unto us. The reason being, whatever we do to any part of life - including others - affect the whole of which we are an integral part, therefore the doer is also affected.
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@AevAutomatic You're kinda on the rith track. The mind cannot exist without the body in the PHYSICAL realm however, the physical realm is not all that is. In REALITY, the physical realm is like the tip of an iceberg...in comparison to the entire World of Form.
Pat Baptiste When I dream I don't use my eyes but I see, I don't use my hands but I feel, I smell steak and get hungry but I'm just in bed. Our energy will be transferred somewhere else. We won't need eyes to see what's in eternity, eternal beings don't need vision that's material world stuff. You won't need your lungs to breath, it will be completely different, but the information of that mind goes where the energy(soul) needs to be.
@@gabpinto5633 ...and what is that energy?.. CONSCIOUSNESS / awareness.
You're on the right path...
Pat Baptiste thanks all who suffered this thinking will see eternity. Some people are so consumed by these 3 dimensions. They will want to rest forever.
There’s nothing here to contradict materialism. Just because the behaviour of a complex system depends on the details of its structure that doesn’t imply dualism.
Good talk, well presented. I tend toward the reductionist view because the dualist view seems to invoke magic or something similar to explain mind. The absence of a viable explanation for life and mind in the materialist view does not mean that an explanation does not exist, only that we don't yet know what it is. The dualist view seems to be a "God of the Gaps" type approach by positing that if the materialists don't know the answer, then it must be God or magic. No, it just means we don't know the answer yet. But I enjoyed the talk and the views presented.
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If you think it is a "God of the Gaps" argument then you don't know how to identify a "God of the Gaps" argument. And ironically, that makes you reject things that might be true.
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Look on yt for a documentary called ,"what is reality?"
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Conscious unity and freedom
Where do thoughts come from. Could it seem similar to a muon.
My "consciousness equation" is E3=(m)c2oo.... 3fold energy or energy that is spinning creates memory (or form - memory to maintain its form) in all directions and is faster than light speed or infinite. This also implies resonance(a self-reflective property)mass and therefore time and consciousness. So mass (or form or memory)equals consciousness, whereas energy that is 2fold like EM, photons or binary code in computers represents positive and negative which can switch back and forth between states or can't maintain its form and has no memory, but can carry information. Anything spinning has mass or consciousness so galaxies, stars, and planets all are conscious and have a memory or time-span of existence. For humans consciousness is sentience....I'm open for debate.
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@@kadirinurudeen4714 Thanks and I'm just getting started and will be entering school this summer for astrophysics-and then I'll learn how wrong/right I am....right now I am an armchair well informed theorist and not getting any younger at 55...
Nobody thinks, like a recording we regurgitate experience, wisdom is no thing do you re-member, yor first 3 supposed years? no space no time no thing..........its a dream
I am a proud Dualist.
There is absolutely no evidence consciousness is produced by brain, but plenty of evidence consciousness is non-local.
On the contrary, there's most definitely evidence to suggest consciousness is produced by brains, however it's not necessarily proof. I suspect brains are kind of like a radio, where it doesn't produce consciousness (music), but rather is a device that picks up on various signals based on how it's tuned. Hence non-local 👌
@@technomage6736 No there is definitely no evidence brain produces consciousness. If you look into Out of Body Experiences and Near Death Experiences this gives a compelling insight into how awareness is not limited to brain function. Such as in the Pam Reynolds case and Eben Alexander.
I am a dualist and stick by my arguments.
I am yet to be convinced by a materialists arguments.
@@Dion_Mustard I don't give much credit to these near death and "died briefly and then came back" experiences having significant meaning. Especially considering that each individual's perception of the experience will vary and will lead to different subjective interpretations.
I think you might be confusing semantics because "evidence" of something is not the same as "proof". There could be evidence to suggest something that is not actually true. As I implied above, I don't suspect consciousness is actually produced by the brain either, but there is some evidence to suggest it is so. For example, damaging an area of the brain can change their consciousness, and shutting it down seems to also shut down consciousness. This is very strong evidence! So it's no surprise that this has been the general view.
I've heard all manner of claims from "out of body surfers" that contradict each other. While I don't doubt any of their experiences, I'm sure they're perception and interpretation of what's actually happening is off. And for the record, I've had OOB experiences myself, so I do get it.
@@Dion_Mustard You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. There's no need to tell me of OOBE because I'm well aware; rather what I'm saying is that conflicting reports of these experiences (there's similarities too) between various people, including myself, shows that people as a collective don't necessarily understand what it is they experienced. There's people coming back talking about galactic civilizations and various different beings and all kinds of weird stuff, and because each person either had an OOBE or at least believe they did, each one believes they know some ultimate truth that the others are wrong about.
So I'm not saying it's not an OOBE, I'm just saying some people seem to be getting a little weirded out by the experience.
I've had them, I've heard reports of experiences just like mine, but I've also heard weird nonsense. You and I both know there's weirdos out there too, and that some people DO just imagine stuff, so I'm just careful.
@@Dion_Mustard With all that aside though, the original point was regarding the reports of the "near death experience". I suppose they could be considered a type of OOBE, but that's different from what I'm talking about, and so although I agree with your conclusion on the brain/consciousness subject, I wouldn't trust those testimonies as being evidence for my stance.
Something about the materialist explanation of consciousness still does not make sense. Even if the microtubules allow for quantum entanglement within the brain, what causes the collapse of the superposed state? At 24:30 he mentions the chemical environment of the brain, but this makes no sense. The only known mechanism for collapsing a superposed state is conscious observation, yet we do not observe the chemical reaction in the brain. Also, how would a purely physical mind cause a quantum collapse via observation, if consciousness itself is nothing but a product of quantum collapse?
I am not a physicist. There are opinions saying the conscious mind is not the cause of the collapsing, rather the interaction with photons during the measurement. check: czcams.com/video/Q2OlsMblugo/video.html The problem is there are also experiments like delayed choice experiment. Hard to judge
How do we know what the electron looked like before we observes it?
Great Question, Janet! If you would like to learn more, we recommend you to check out more lectures in Steven Gimbel’s course “Redefining Reality: The Intellectual Implications of Modern Science”. www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/redefining-reality-the-intellectual-implications-of-modern-science
The ancient Vedic rishi(sage) in all their wisdom said as early as 8000 BC , that our universe is not woven from matter but consciousness .
(They never patent there knowledge there own name, as all knowledge are Akashik records) .
There are connections between quantum mechanics and consciousness .
Om Isha vasyam idam sarvam, yat kincha jagatyam jagat'
ॐ ईशा वास्यमिदँ सर्वं यत्किञ्च जगत्यां जगत् ।
तेन त्यक्तेन भुञ्जीथा मा गृधः कस्यस्विद्धनम्
"All this- whatever exists in this changing universe, is pervaded by consciousness"
--Isa Upanishad .5000-BCE
Consciousness is the intelligence, the organising principle behind the arising of form. The quantum field or pure consciousness is influenced by intention and desire.
Animals express consciousness through instinct. Humans , in addition to instinct we possess the highest quality of consciousness, --self awareness. Self awareness or reflective thought is thus the difference between animals and humans. Reflection is the power to turn one’s consciousness upon oneself, to know oneself and especially to know that one knows.. maths , physics, philosophy , astronomy etc is due to man’s unique ability to reflect inwardly.
Most people never raise their consciousness much above that of the beast and the spark of divinity within them remains dormant the whole of their lives . Perception occurs in the gap of alert attention. This is the inner space. When you visit new places , the experiencing and sense perception takes up more of their consciousness than thinking .
There is a consciousness in every molecule of matter.
The brain without consciousness is inert and lifeless. Consciousness is a form of matter just as matter is a form of consciousness.
All atoms in the entire universe are capable of mind reading and communicating with other atoms. There is a consciousness in every molecule of matter.
As per quantum physics things do not exist in its physical form, unless they are observed by a conscious observer.
In every experiment when an observer expected energy to behave as a particle, it did so. When he thought it would probably be wave-like, it was. And when observers believed it might start out as one form and end up as another, it did so.
This means ,nothing actually exists in its physical form until observed by someone, was adopted by the group as one of the concepts. You created them by your expectations and your thoughts of what should be. In every situation in your life, including the wealth or lack of it you choose to attract to you.
Thanks to the theory of ERP Quantum Entanglement, originally asserted by Albert Einstein and two fellow scientists , Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen, we now have proof that what Vedanta had been saying for 9000 years is true.We are all connected. We are all One, sharing a consciousness with the entire universe, perhaps even many universes.
Warner Heisenberg
"After the conversations about Indian philosophy, some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense."
BrahmAn as per Vedas means THE MORPHOGENIC CONSCIOUSNESS FIELD.
Consciousness is the intelligence, the organising principle behind the arising of form. The quantum field or pure consciousness is influenced by intention and desire.
"The Vedanta and the Sankhya hold the key to the laws of mind and thought process which are co-related to the Quantum Field, i.e. the operation and distribution of particles at atomic and molecular levels."
Prof. Brian David Josephson,
Physicist
This means ,nothing actually exists in its physical form until observed by someone, was adopted by the group as one of the concepts. You created them by your expectations and your thoughts of what should be. In every situation in your life, including the wealth or lack of it you choose to attract to you.
"When ever i give lecture on quatum physics
I feel as if i am talking on Vedanta ."
Adi Shankara said, ‘All that you see doesn’t exist’. One of the top scientists of our times, Dr. Hans-Peter Durr said, ‘I studied matter for the last 35 years, only to find out that it does not exist! I have been studying something that does not exist’.
Dr. Hans-Peter Dürr (1929-2014). Biography. Quantum Scientist . Nuclear Physicist
When Buddha says “All is illusion,” he isn’t saying that nothing is real. He’s saying that your mind’s projections onto reality are illusions. He’s saying that the elements in the universe that form every physical thing we see-solid, liquid, gas-if they’re taken down to a subatomic level, they don’t exist. Therefore all we see is an illusion, because it’s shape or form, not true essence.
"I go into the Upanishads to ask questions."--
Niels Bohr,
"God Is Not One" By Stephen Prothero, Page No. 144
THE COSMOS IS THE PLAYGROUND OF MAYA.. FROM MICROCOSM TO MACROCOSM..
Bhagavad Gita is all about BEING IN THE MOMENT.
You cannot change your past, you cannot survive without water, you cannot change natures principle. The only solution is to accept things as they are.
Life is a combination or physical, intellectual and spiritual aspects. Without spiritual development , man is without love or positive emotions ( affection, care, respect, sympathy ) .
To be successful you must be exited about life. Life is a festival only to those who live with enthusiasm. Lack of enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.
Good manners are the best letters of recommendation. Bad manners reduce our acceptability in society, thereby affecting our social relations. A good laugh is the best medicine.. Laughter is a tranquiliser with no side effects. Laughter is the cheapest luxury, it electrifies the nerves and cleanse the system.
Love is food for the soul. Jealousy is poison for the soul. Better to forgive and forget than hate and remember. Fear tends to produce the things we are afraid of.
You must fight and make your own life on the planet. Don’t expect anybody else to do it for you. Make most of the best and least of the worst. Man alone is the architect of his destiny. Inaction is worse than no action at all.
Karma is the result of your actions. If you do something good, you will get good tings in return and if you do bad things, you will get likewise in return.
Karma or the actions that you do in the present life is passed on to the next life. But fate is not passed on to the next life.
Dharma is when we are walking the path of our soul's purpose. When we are walking our path we are out of karma. We are no longer creating cause and effect. We are in flow with the universe, with our spirit. Our soul is line with the Divine.
Schrodinger wrote: “Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves.”“the stages of human development are to strive for Possession (Artha), Knowledge (Dharma), Ability (Kama), Being (Moksha)” “Nirvana is a state of pure blissful knowledge.. It has nothing to do with individual.
The ego or its separation is an illusion. The goal of man is to preserve his Karma and to develop it further - when person dies his karma lives and creates for itself another carrier.”
“In all world,” writes Schroedinger in his book My View of the World (chapter iv)
@@AmitKumar-qz2us You can't possibly imagine anyone is going to read that much text aside from the fact it is gibberish?
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL
I Am Responsible For What I Say, Not What other Understand
@@AmitKumar-qz2us That's true but language is the only bridge between us. If you assemble words in random fashion or base their order on unwarranted assumptions or abuse the vision of others who must read your thoughts on screens, you will not achieve your purpose.
AGI will probably require quantum computing. Maybe we will manage to create a machine capable of actual consciousness.
The observer doesn't have to be a conscious being. The term 'observation' is the culprit for this misconception.
If there is no free will, why am I, a thinking thing, allowed to observe my existence?
Not sure what he is taking about and how it’s all connected?
When physicists stray from their domain of material expertise
into the neuro-psycho-linguisti-philosophical region and
start spouting intuitions regarding the meaning of the word 'conscious',
regional experts cringe in embarrassed for them
as much as when the occasional theist wanders in
spouting nonsense about souls, afterlives and just rewards.
Why not believe in both, the consciousness is solar or chemical energy organized by the biological body, the memory is data recorded through the brain through the 5 senses and after death it transcends the body as a soul or spiritual entity.
How are you certain that anything 'transcends' the body after death?
Joe im not but that’s what I believe in
Gabe Saravia Can you justify it with logical reasoning?
Joe agree to disagree, im not having this conversation
Gabe Saravia If you are not willing to share how you got there, please, next time restrain yourself from writing down what you think so that you won’t fool people into thinking you have something valuable to add to the conversation. Thank you.
If a soul existed that could think, would it want to be forced to worship its creator?
my thoughts on this are that consciousness is the choice between two superposed states. like our consciousness is actually the world of quantum physics. I literally think in waves. each thought a particle streaming back to the center of the nothingness. I look at the string of each thought to decide if it was a good one. I feel like it's the same with the paths of elementary particles through the universe. they're each just a thought. schrodinger's cat is basically chosen by the by the consciousness. that's why the wave function doesn't collapse till it's observed. it needs to decide in that moment which way it goes. it's a decision made in the moment. I'm kinda rambling and I want to research it. I plan on delving into quantum physics and neuroscience. I want to be able to explain all this with math. I feel like I'm on the right track
But the talk fails to mention mr. Hameroff. Nevertheless, great explabation. Thanks!
there is no wrong or right way of thinking, there is just the way a person thinks
On what fundamental standard do you base your moral judgements?
I have trouble with the proposal that Consciousness emerges from the complexity of the human system. Wouldn't this mean that if you reduce this complexity then consciousness would disappear? Yet consciousness does disappear even without reducing the complexity i.e. when a person dies (2:16) as he points out at the beginning of the video - the complex structure is still materially intact yet it loses consciousness.
The reason things feel hard is because the electrons repultion,negative repelt negative
the first problem is that none can define what consciousness (or life in that matter) is. There is a difference between being conscious about something , and that is what Prof Penrose talking about, and consciousness. In my interpretation global consciousness is a collection of individual conscious awareness. Kind of guiding matrix that determine reality. Individuals can and will affect reality by their actions, decisions, thoughts, not by will.
It's not that consciousness or life can't be defined, it's that it can't be stated in a meme-sized soundbyte.
There's no single operation, but a complex system of operations, the detailed descriptions of which would put most normal human beings to sleep reading or listening to them.
No matter how many books it sells, simply declaring a thing mysterious and unknowable doesn't make it so. One person's "spooky mysterious unknown" is another persons "next frontier of discovery."
Of course it cannot, for all explanations are dualistic in nature. Consciousness is whole, and absolute, without description.
A Quantum. The smallest part of the whole, in a single closed system. Then what would this be for our awareness, our consciousness? Can consciousness really be broken down in physical bits and pieces? I doubt that.
I'd like an 8-ball of whatever he's on
So....did you end up scoring? Don’t hold out bro, there’s a major drought where I’m at 😄
Humans are TRAPPED in a vicious circle of empty words.
Consciousness is associated with “Thinking” and is independent of “Thinking”.
This thought is understood only by Consciousness.
Conciousness is energy
By vedanta tradition, yes. But in reality i suspect you are mislead and put conciousness on a bigger podium than it actually is. I suggest starting with checking the experiments done on patients with "split-brains". Or just notice how your conciousness changes by the interaction with a neuropharmacological substance for example. If conciousness is fundamental as you claim, how it can be so easily altered by a physical interaction of a chemical substance in your, wait for it, brain. Or in other words, changing your brain physically, changes your conciousness and in some cases even shuts it down temporarily. This is well known empiric evidence.
I grant you that conciousness is fundamental to to humans. I mean for us, everything is conciousness in a way, we are convicted to see the universe throught this lens only. But to the universe in general, outside us, again, i think you are mislead. I appreciate the buddhist and the hindu tradition but for other things, not for stating that everything is concious and conciousness is everywhere, just by introspection. Its understandable why people came to that conclusion but the history is absolutely filled with bad ideas that for some time they felt like common sense and undisputable.
Thought is an emergent property of and entirely dependent on consciousness.
It is disappointing to once again hear the quantum collapse explained as a function of observation. It is a function of interaction. Any interaction “determines” the quantum position. For example, if you have a camera inside the box with the cat, the video won’t change once you open the box. The photons (and oxygen/carbon dioxide content related to the cat’s respiration) correspond to the cat’s state at the time of the quantum event.
That is all true regardless of whether and when anyone ever opens the box or observes the cat in any way.
The observation is just one type of interaction.
The camera's video becomes entangled with cat, ultimately there is still a conscious observer who either checks the cat or the video and will cause the collapse...
@@UncleRuckussNo, I explained why that is not true. No one need ever look at the camera.
I'm totally materialist.
Is that true?
@@Certaintyexists888 ये वैज्ञानिक क्या समझा रहा है क्या ये आत्मा के अस्तित्व को स्वीकार रहा है या नकार रहा है ?
Can conscientiousness control physics? Particles are affected by being watched.
Why does he keep moving back and forth?!
It isn't magic, I want a Lamborghini , so I will it into my reality. But rather a lattice like structure that will bring changes into our reality.
Try David Icke
Classical physics...No. Classical and Quantum physics...It's getting there.
in universe main power is conciousness of unconciousness
knowledge captived by conciousness of conciousness is very limited in universe
because universe is dominated and fonctioned by the language of conciousness of unconciousness that conciousness of conciousness is yet doesnt know this language
the solution is to invent the physics of metaphysics
"quantum effects" gives materialist-reductionists a way of talking about God without talking about God.
But they will gladly use a demon for their analogies or explanations. If it can be a demon that influences your mind then why not a God? Both God and demon are philosophical.
Exactly
The title could be reversed.
Unpredictable Quantum consciousness doesn’t change the free will issue much. Random quantum movements are not “will”, since we can’t evaluate or control them. Even if, in combination, they take on a life of their own, we still evaluate the feelings (or whatever they result in) thru our experiences and biology, which we ultimately don’t have free will (in the colloquial sense).
“Free” and “will” are relative terms, and most of these conversations treat them as binaries.
We need to fully understand the brain functions before coming up with new theories
You missed the point. You can study all the brain functions you want for a million years and you won't get consciousness from that.
Hmm? You write your book or your essay......and hey presto! The Alphabet is still there. You die and all that you have memory crammed or learnt? Dies without you? But the future and present ancestors are born with innate knowledge! I wonder what discerns the difference between “innate knowledge and memory cramming (die with or without you?) Got it ! Physics is part of the Alphabet!
It’s as likely that my personal consciousness will survive the death of the material body that I inhabit, as the personal consciousness of an alligator will survive the death of the material body that he or she inhabits.
Can physics explain consciousness? ??
Schrodinger's cat clearly demonstrates that;
Schrodinger was a sadist.
no
@@pipzog389 oh, well! Thanks for explaining that to me! That was really quite brilliant.
@@theobserver9131 your welcome
No, science cannot explain it. Science is a method. It requires falsifiable testing by experiment to ascertain cause of natural observed phenomena. You would need to have some variables to manipulate. Using consciousness to discover what consciousness is seems a logical fallacy also.
Reductionism is an interesting theory, but it is more religion than science. Scientists have every right to contemplate it as a possibility but they have no business asserting it as anything more than a belief. It is in actuality a logical fallacy of an appeal to ignorance.
There has been a long history of seemingly separate phenomena being reduced to the known laws of physics as our knowledge is expanded. The motions of the heavenly bodies aren't guided by angels, they are guided by the same spacetime curvature that binds us tiny people to the earth. Disease isn't caused by demons, it is caused by biological functions that can be studied just like our own biology can be studied. String together a few thousand examples of this reductionism playing out through history, and denying it is like saying "yeah, the sun may have risen in the east for the last several millenia, but people who assert that it will do so tomorrow are some sort of religious cult."
(Genesis 2:7) . . .And God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.
Your mind has been destroyed by indoctrination.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I'm sorry you believe that, but each of us are allowed to have our own beliefs.
@@patriciasheppard6109 Indeed we are "allowed to have our own beliefs" but the beliefs you have are not yours. Your beliefs were created long ago so that the masses could more easily be controlled by hungry psychopaths happily squatting atop the pyramids of power.
I don't hold it against you or see it as your fault or anything like that. I'm not criticizing you. You were an innocent child when your mind was ruined. I don't blame victims for being victimized.
I am angry that these religious mind control systems still persist even though it's been two thousand years since the vast majority of humanity became conscious.
You see, I believe democracy is the only control system that deserves your deepest spiritual efforts.
Sadly, today, democracy is under attack by those who wish to restore the institutions of royalty, aristocracy and clergy, the once entitled, king, prince, duke, earl, viscount, baron, cardinal, archbishop, bishop, priest etc. These were the original conservatives, the very people our ancestors died fighting so that we the people could escape their domination.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I'm not upset with you disagreeing with me. I can afford to be wrong.
@@patriciasheppard6109 😂
Twas brillig and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe...
incomplete explanation of councioness. if it emerge from matters is still part of the universe ( mateial) but is at quantum level where mind ( non material origin) interact with matter (neurons level) we can't get rid of the fact that God exist mind it's only one of the many evidences we have for his existence
Perhaps not yet, but consciousness is a manifestation of physics
Physics maybe all there is; but we don’t understand all of physics.
i think math is more fundamental than physics, without math physics could not exist
Yes!
Math is a language, a very, very terse one.
Language is about abstraction in several different ways.
During the evolution of language the self concept manifested.
(How that happened is a different question).
The manifestation of the self concept entailed becoming conscious.
I mean, it is your self that is conscious, right?
What else but a self could possibly be conscious?
So far, the concepts of advaita vedanta seem the most conceivable for me.
Physics can explain the being-conscious-process only
if physics can get a handle on the nature of abstraction.
Generally speaking, AFAIK, physics has never addressed that topic.
Oh btw, "physics" does not have rules. Nature does.
Physics is nature. If you dont agree, define nature and how is different from the physical world.
Consciousness comes from the elementary particle called Dust!
like listening to infants talking...consciousness creates matter
It's very easy... Quatum Physics is copyright of Buddhist Philosophy.
Eastern religions were right about the nature of reality long before science came to that conclusions.I listened to a lecture by Dr.Poltorack about the Torah and quantum physics and also about the Zohar
I agreed with you but Torah and Zohar their taboo subjects are only personal God's stuff and Holy Spirits where Quatum Science hardly believe and blatantly rejected that stuff.
@@chhetenlama8547Zohar mostly deals with the immanence and transcendence of God.It teaches that the reality is Divine and the real reason we can have a personal relationship with the Divine is that we can feel the Oneness ,not that we can pray like we pray to a being or so.Zohar clarifies the Torah ,because all the personifications in the Torah are really the aspects of the Divine (sephirot), described in human language,so in a sense it is not about some personality,but about a personification of the Divine
1. Consciousness is conscious of the universe in the waking state of the mind.
2. Consciousness is conscious of a dream in the dreaming state of the mind.
3. Consciousness is neither conscious of the universe nor of a dream but is conscious of itself in the deep sleep state of the mind.
I definitely didnt know about how brain work but I definitely sure that it was made from random chances for million of years
- Materialist Scientist -
You'd be wrong to be sure.
You write as though you believe you already know.
You probably think life entails being conscious.
Ain't so.
Don’t want them to explain
Consciousness explains physics. Physics can’t explain consciousness. Consciousness explains itself.
No.
Physicists approach things in their own way. It might explain but not necessarily true, not even understandable by the laymen. They are all competing for the elegance of theories. I think with this subject we just have to approach it subjectively. There is no need to find out the real truth, we will never know what the reality is.
Gimbel "grills" Schrödinger's equation? I would rather say Mr. Gimbel completely misunderstood it. His doubts regarding Schrödinger's cat have been resolved almost a hundred years ago. He may want to consult any standard text book on quantum mechanics (undergraduate level). This was the moment I quit watching this video. Sorry, I'm very disappointed.
If you are a work find GOD. If you are a lay about the believe in GOD. Regardless of evidence believe in GOD. So easy?.
Ultimately you cannot prove or disprove a theory. In my own opinion Nikola Tesla was the last true scientist/inventor.
Nice word play (wizardry) to entrance your audience.
Why would physics want to?
We already know what consciousness is.
Physics needs to bow it’s head and acknowledge the superiority of real knowledge.
We are all tired of physicists trying to muscle in on everything and claim the credit for things that have been understood by others for thousands of years .
Failure to do this is why our world is such a mess
John Lawrence Wrong on so many levels. No we don’t know what consciousness is and it is not known for thousands of years. We experience it or even use it, sure, but that is far from knowing how something works and is connected to the rest of the universe. But it surely feels good to simplyfy the problems we face today and smear it on this arrogant idea of yours. Just like the good old dark middle ages.
Dani I’m sorry old chap but I do know what consciousness is, I know how it exists I know it’s relationship to the universe, I know what role I must play to respond correctly to consciousness as expressed by my own soul
NO it cannot. Physics attempts to explain - and does a pretty good job - physical phenomenon. Consciousness does NOT have physical properties. Dualism does NOT explain life either - it supports separation. ALL life IS one interconnected whole - a projection of Universal Consciousness. The body is the most dense vibrations of the Mind - they are NOT separate. Science already proved that the body is surrounded by an electromagnetic field called our Personal Energy Field. This is the same field ancient mystics called the Aura - over 5000 years ago. The physical body is the result of a reduction in the vibration of said Aura - thus a more dense form...
LIFE is Self Transcendence - activity in consciousness / consciousness activity...in form. I realize that the above will not make sense to most people however, the reason is, human beings are at an extremely low level of consciousness - due to their belief in separation / duality. The scientific theory that the universe and everything in it is a Hologram, is about THE most accurate representation of life. This need to be pursued futher...with the inclusion oc consciousness
A theory of everything cannot be developed without including consciousness because consciousness is the container - so to speak - thoughts, feelings and the actions that results - including speech. These are also known as Mental Energy, Emotional Energy or Energy in MOTION and Physical energy. If everything is energy, how can we possible develop a theory of everything but omit mental and emotional energy.
I purposely left out THE most important level of consciousness which is called Etheric Energy. this represents the seat of our Identity - how we see ourselves, how we see God (for those who believe in God)...how we see other people, how we see the platform which we exist upon and depend on for our existence and the interaction - the energetic reaction - between ALL the different forms of energy. This is not taught in school nor church therefore again...most people will reject it. Until we attain the awareness that consciousness affects EVERY-THING - by transcending our current level of consciousness - it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to prove otherwise.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
www.transcendencetoolbox.com/teachings/energetic-world-view