C130 V A400 BEACH LANDINGS 4K
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- It was great to catch both an Airbus Atlas A400M a Lockheed C130J Hercules conducting tactical landings on Pembrey beach in Wales. We had about three hours of touch and goes, low approaches and landing to full stop on the sands. I've added some titles showing some key differences between both aircraft.
I miss the C-130; it’s taken me to many places, none of which were conducive to a long life! I regret the fact that I’ll never get to fly on an Atlas as I’m medically discharged. As an aside, it states the range of a C-130 as 2,350 miles. That is unless you have a crazy Australian pilot who ‘reckons’ that because we have a great tailwind we probably don’t need to stop for a refuel! We made it back on fumes but did a fair bit more than 2350 miles 👍😉
I've once I was out walking in an open area, experinced a C130 Hercules low fly over, just above my head. I swear I could almost touch it's belly, it was so low. The turn radius on this beast is unbelievable, such an agile giant.
The A400M appears to be everything it should be. If the designer's goal was to better a C-130. The A400M looks like a great shot. And I've a couple thousand hours in -130s. I like the A400M
I had no idea the A400M Atlas was so much bigger and had so much more performance and capacity than the venerable Herky. Good the RAF has something with increased capacity. If the A400M holds up as well as the C-130 that'll be quite some performance. The Hercules looked brand new - shout out to RAF maintenance crews! The A400M has that superb flying tail which, flying through clean above the pro wash air must be responsible for a lot of the lifting capacity, as well as advanced airfoil design which is a hallmark of Airbus. Approx. double the performance in range & capacity for similar wingspan is quite an achievement. Nice design. All the best, Rob
ZH869 is actually a C-130J, which have only been around since 1996. I'm not sure how old that exact airframe is, but it's a mere whipper-snapper compared to the design overall, hence her relatively good looks.
Re: A400M, tail planes actually have a negative contribution to lift, as they need to create downforce to counteract the wings desire to pitch the aircraft nose downward (cambered aerofoils and Newton's 3rd Law of Motion apply). The props on each wing rotate inwards towards each other, creating a 'funnelled' blast of air which yields considerably more lift than if the were spinning the same direction. It's a fantastic aircraft, and one I was very proud to help design!😀
@@LoudRC My understanding was that the newer, longer Herkybirds were converted from earlier versions by doing a cut and shut, with an additional length of fuselage added. This was done by Marshall's of Cambridge in the UK. Then they got the engine and prop upgrades and ECM stuff as another series of upgrades. So although new "variants" they are not all new airframes.
@@AlanEvans789 , your understanding is incorrect. All of the C-130Js are completely new airframes built by Lockheed. The first RAF one was delivered in 1999, just 2 years before the C17.
The C-130J may look the same externally but has a huge number of improvements.
It's truly amazing how versatile these aircraft really are.
Both a great aircraft.C130 for its short landing and takeoff, A400M for its range and capacity. They complement each other…
As the old general was said to have said, "He who gets there firstest with the mostest wins."
I imagine each platform would have advantages in given situations. Anyway, it's a great video. Thank you for posting it.
I rode three flights in the C-130. The inside is insanely noisy and if empty, the resonant vibrations can provoke your lungs to trigger coughing until you move to non-resonant location. Another words - passengers and cargo ARE the vibration dampeners of a C-130. I can't comment about the A400M, but from the ground it matches a C-130 STOL characteristics nicely!
Damn, there goes my sandcastle!!
🤣🤣🤣
Both can make it nearly perfect but my favorit is the A400 ATLAS. Much bigger, much more capacity and much more range....
...the A400M fills the gap between the C-130 Hercules and the C-5 Galaxy...!
@@Packless1 This is absolut correct!!! But for germany both kind of planes extrem helpfull. Last week we get first Hercules and our A400 made and make fantastic job. We are happy that we get C130 too....
The Atlas is OK but love fat Albert, a proper hero been everywhere and done so much in many war zones. Much respect to all the guys and gals who flew with them, 🙏👍🌺
Awesome video, especially with both amazing aircraft doing beach landings.
Another good video. Its good to see aircraft like these that can land in most places. Great footage
Thanks Neil.
Awesome planes, my uncle flew these and the C17 he'd often tell me he'd fly me in one but never gotten a chance but great footage.😊👍
That would of been a great opportunity. Thanks for viewing. 😎👍
Amazing video salutes from Juncos, Puerto Rico 🇺🇲🇵🇷
Thank you, appreciate your comment 😎👍
The U.S. Air Force issued its original design specification for the C-130 in 1951, yet the remarkable plane remains in production. The initial production model was the C-130A, with four Allison T56-A-11 or -9 turboprop engines. A total of 219 were ordered and deliveries began in December 1956.
The A400M made its first flight on 11 December 2009.
Thanks for sharing! That was super exciting!!! The ''Lockheed C130J Hercules'' is my girl I'm just 10 years younger then she is :-)
Great video! Here in KY USA, the KY ANG flies these. Unmistakable sound. That’s a fun day at the beach 👍. Thanks for sharing as always!
Thanks for watching Tim. Beats building sand castles and paddling 🤠
Great footage as always Dafydd! That C-130 looks brand new. Must have been painted recently!
Thanks David. There is one in brize that looks like it’s had a recent paint job 👍
both magnificent aircraft
A400 is a package of C130. Beautiful video, thanks.
Thanks for watching
Both are definitely good aircraft. But the whole idea behind the C-130 was it's toughness and main objective of short takeoff and landing. This is why it excels in a shorter take off because it doesn't weigh as much empty by a long shot. The longer it takes you to get off the ground hinders the number of places where you can land. And if you're under fire the quicker you get airborne, the quicker you can get away from that fire. All the other is apples and oranges, especially things like distance before refueling. All missions have refueling built in to the mission plan and it's done in flight. The range of the C-130 is more than adequate to get them into safe airspace to do a refilling. So it all boils down to what you're wanting the mission of the aircraft to be. If it is to get in and drop troops or he put me off and get back in the air in the least amount of time to see C-130 is still the top aircraft.
And if you want to haul a larger amount of cargo somewhere a little faster and land at a smaller base instead of say on a beach closer to a war zone then the Airbus would probably fit the mission better than the C-130
But for pure STOL capabilities in a hostile environment even after 70 years of service with some modifications the Hercules still can't be beat.
Both machines nearly double their weight in cargo lift capacity. The un-refueled range of the A-400 is certainly appealing, but yours is a very valid point on that notion- the aerial refueling is an automatic inclusion to almost every mission flight. 1950s design vs 1990s. I think the Hercules design criteria was very direct, and single-mission focused. A-400 was probably designed to accommodate the dimensions, and weights of modern front line equipment.
That is an absolutely amazing footage of the Airbus A400M Atlas and the Lockheed C-130J Super Hercules for beach landing and takeoff 🤩🤩👍👍
Thanks Douglas. Have a great Xmas.
@@DafyddPhillips many thanks and Merry Chinook to you too 😎😁🎅
We are thankfully to receive the C130s very soon, our ones at the moment are 1964 models still in operation and in Europe at the moment training for the Ukrainians, RNZAF, 😊💪👀👍.
well done Daf , a great catch . Tourist board should be using it !😍😍
Superb as always Dafydd. Pity the poor erks having to get the sand out of everything!
Got to love the beaches of Camarthenshire oh and 2 stunning aircraft 😀
Agreed 🏴👍
Great video as always Dafydd, I was camping at Pembrey watching the BAE Hawks on their bombing runs onto the sands last year July 2021
Correct me if I'm wrong but am I right in stating that the RAF is the only air force in the world that has C130, A400m and C17 aircraft at its disposal? Surely this gives the RAF the ability to compare the attributes and limitations of each aircraft type on many different mission profiles on an ongoing basis as any other organisation?
C17 & C130 serves have two appears capabilities
Awesome big stuff!
Used to plan for beach landings when I was in the RAF, checking tide times, moon phases, organising fire, medical cover and Tac Air Traffic.
Do you have to do anything to verify the firmness of the sand prior to them landing?
Plan for fishermen, campers, beach racers, sunbathers...
Excellent video, live near a great stretch of flat beach near Blackpool, but the only ''tactical' event was watching a RAF Jaguar using the M55, before the cars where allowed on of course! Wonder if the NOTAM included sand yachts users, mind they'd get a bit of an extra mph of the prop wash!!.🤔🤫😲.
Hello from Ukraine
WOW What a sight....thats bloody awesome
There is one down there now ( 20.32 on 20/07/2022 ) C130j
Fantastic footage mate ! I love that dust
Thanks topfelya. Hope your keeping good 👍
magnifiques images, pour de magnifiques machines!!!! merci beaucoup pour cette belle vidéo
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 18 Jul 22.
The Atlas is such a cool aircraft. All your videos are so well done!
Thanks Mike, appreciated.
Great video !
Thank you.
my friend is in the RAF at Brize Norton and works on these for a living... lucky bastard
Okay I am a little curious, that's the first of the video you show three different planes landing but only identify two of them. The second plane with a single tail was not identified. But with the paint job I assume it is a previous model of an Airbus aircraft that was the original competition for the C-130....? 🤔
I think it’s important to distinguish that the C-130 design is more than 50 years older than the A400 (albeit with various upgrades since then). Still both incredible planes!
As always outstanding video. Man you never disappoint. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Robert 👍
Really enjoyed this, you have superb content, Pembrey is also a weapons range , a former ww2 airfield.
Thanks Gary. I’ve read Pembrey has a lot of history from WW2. 🏴👍
Can't really compare. A400 by far the superior aircraft but dig in concerns would have influenced the pilot's decisions. Great vid.
thats awesome
Fantasmagorical once again Dafydd - Purrrrrrfect!
Thank you 😎
For some reason I assumed the A400's had steering gear at the back..... obviously not. They must scrub a lot of rubber on taxi etc.
Really enjoyed this, thanks.
Not unless it's a tight turn and then the front main landing gear leg can be "shortened" to take the weight off and shorten the wheel base with a "U-turn" function. Not necessary or advisable on sand however.
@@geofflancaster8542 I thought there must be some solution. Thanks for clearing that up for me 👌
My name is also Dafydd Phillips. So i guess i have to subscribe.
Diolch 🏴😎👍
@@DafyddPhillips ddim problem 🏴👍
Is that normal on the beaches in Wales Dafydd? Pretty spectacular that.
Just Pembrey Tom. Happy you enjoyed it. 😎
Your C-130 max takeoff weight is way off! You say it is 69 tons, without TYCOM approval you can take off at 90 tons, 180,000 pounds. I have taken off at 184,600 pounds in a Herc before, the highest we could climb to was 13,000 feet until we burned off alot of fuel. This was with the old four bladed props. The J model and the eight blade models have more torque.
Give me the Herky Bird! If it’s a life or death situation, either will do!
Oh that was nice! Lucky you! I'm assuming extreme low tide. Boy those plane can sure stop in a short amount of runway. I wonder how much the nose gear steering stress is increased on the sand when braking to stop so short. That A400 is a bit larger than the Herc. A lovely day at the beach huh mate? You sure at the right place at the right time all the time Dayfdd
Just FYI: the top speed of the C-130J is 417mph, I think you may have used the top speed of the much older C-130
Thank you. 🎓
@@DafyddPhillips Hope I didn't come across as snarky!
@@morskojvolk not at all, appreciate the update. I’m unable to change it as it’s embedded in the upload.
Great footage
Thanks Paul
Gotta' give it up for them Welsh homies..keepin' a control tower an' tha' beach an' all...Swydd da on ya'!
Perfect day for fun on the beach.. Only thing i don't get is the M in size description. Thanks DP
It was fun. Should be metres. 👍
Fantastic. Very close to me - how did you know they’d be there that day? I often see them circling the bay as they do their touch and goes and if I knew in advance I’d go and have a watch!
Thank you. Keep an eye on the notams for starters then hope they turn up.
@ 10.00 min mark, at least Trumpton had a nice day out at the beach........ lol. Hope they didn't get sand in their important places........
Great catch! not long left of those C-130 😞
Hi 👋 Dafydd, absolutely fantastic footage as always mate 👍.... bet that was a great sight to see!!!... just wondering Dafydd, how would anyone get to know about when these testings are going on???... just wondering, as I would absolutely love to photograph 📸 something like this!!... Great job 👏 mate. Cheers 🍻 Paul
Hi Paul, I’d keep an eye out for the notams to appear. When they become active you just have to turn up and hope they do to. Cancellations happen regular for various reasons not known to us. Good luck 🤞
@@DafyddPhillips thanks ever so much for taking the time out to reply to me . I will keep an eye out for this. Have a good day today Dafydd! Cheers 🍻 Paul
Hay Hay Hay … the Herc rules !!!!
Hey man I'm in Wales what's the best time to go to the Mach loop for shots? Your channel is the best I've seen for quality with these shots unreal be amazing if you replied 🤞
Awesome again. Thanks
Thanks Mike.
Airbus looks like they were cheating on their homework when in the company of the Good Ol Boys model. 😉
this week the 400 was playing in the sand early hours of Thursday and then the quieter 130 Friday during the cold dark night.
I believe the oone conducting night beach landings last week was from the German air force.
@@DafyddPhillips This week. Ascot and Zorro?
Beach rotations are essential. In the event of war the first places to be targeted by LRM’s would be airfields and airports, leaving only beaches as a viable option for operations where essential aide is needed. We will be seeing a lot more of this type of training since Russia invaded Ukraine.
Plus roads, time to get folding brackets on the roadside signs.
However the C130 is an older airplane it is still one of the best ever build.
Excellent! Very impressive
Thanks tibor, good to see you yesterday 😎
Was that the 'baby herc'? Been a while since I've been in one and it just looks smaller than those I frequented, though it may just be my old eyes 🤨🤔😏
Would have to say the Hercy Bird was definitely the most gentle of the 2, but when you go to the beach ain't nothing wrong with a bit of 'bouncy bouncy' 🙃😉
Excellent vid as always Sir (and very jealous as always 😜). Thanks for sharing.
Gotta say, I like idle roar of the C-130 better. Lol. Has nothing to do with anything, but man is it a symphony to listen to. Lol
Straordinario finale con stop and go e urlo da cowboy!!!! Braviiiiii
Awesome video sir..👍👍👍
Thank you.
@@DafyddPhillips u'r welcome sir
Say wahtever you want about the A400, but it looks like a boss.
THANKS :)
The C130 is old school, the A400 is the new kid in town.
400 is ghostly quiet
beautiful airplanes
I'd like to see a comparison between the C130 and the Embraer C390.
It would be interesting to see how the C390's big turbofans cope with the sand.
C130 can land anywhere even on an aircaft carrier!
I was watching the interview with the pilot of the C-130 that landed on the carrier and took off. He said he had his propellers reversing before he even touched down. Said it was a unique and amazing experience, but not something he would want to do again . 😵💫😆😆😆👍🏻
@@williamscoggin1509 the US Navy was looking to the C-130 for Carrier onboard delivery (COD), but went with the C-2A Greyhound. If I was the C-130 pilot landing on a carrier I'll be checking my undies afterwards lol
But not with cargo.
@@Rick2010100 do you think the aircraft landing on the beach had cargo? Well maybe they had the Chief Air Marshall's BBQ and beach ball and towel? lol
@@andyc3088 the C130 COD thing seems so ludicrously unlikely that it’s far more probable they were thinking of Special Ops usage and needed a cover story for the press.
Man the atlas stops in less distance than my car..what is that nozzle above the landing gear on the right side of the herc for?....
Excelente video. 👏👏
Merci.
Pilot's saying "Don't sink you barsteward !".
Best way to ruin a car . . Drive it on a salt-water beach.
Very interesting
Atterraggi morbidi con carrelli a scomparsa e polverone. Decollo molto bello
How do you know when this is happening? Do you walk along the beach to the carpark? I was on the range the other day nent to the Jags :)
You need to keep an eye on the notams Paul. Then just hope that they turn up
Hey, I was wondering what a good lenses and camera would be for a beginner plane spotter ? loved the video, thanks, are you using Canon ?
Where’s this I’ve not got much miltary on channel and I’m surprise I did not see you at RAF Cosford airshow did you go there?
Cracking footage Dafydd, you certainly made the right call switching to the other side of the runway 👍👌 good to catch up with you again, currently on exit waiting for F15s an A400M and whatever else comes this way 🤞🇺🇲✈️
ATB Andy
Good to catch up with you andy. I’m on BB just down the valley from you. That last hawk was low !! ✈️👌
@@DafyddPhillips it sure was, I almost missed it 😂 was tucking into a sandwich 🙄😁
The C130 in this vid is an old one. To bad they didn’t have a J model.
Amazing footage, what beach and how did you get so close?
Thanks Alec. It’s a public beach and just took the advice of the personnel on the beach.
Cefn sidan beach nr pembrey.huge beach but top end restricted as it's RAF pembrey sands gunnery range
Yo cuando.veo este avión se me.pone los.pelos de.punta que maravilla de la.ingenieria.
Interesting how similar two airplanes introduced nearly 60 years apart truly are.
The A400M is about 10 meters longer and has double the range of the C-130. So these two planes are not really similar.
If land on beach most probably minor damage on the engine and propellers.
AIRBUS A 400 Made in Spein España 🇪🇸
No, Made in Britain, Germany, France, Turkey, Iberia and a few others, with a Final Assembly Line in Seville.
Lovely beach. Well apart from the noise! 😂
Noisy seagulls 🤠
I go on the beach quite often in the summer with my bike are you allowed on the beach when they are landing?
Yes but obviously stay away from the coned area. The personnel will advise you where to stay safe.
Awesome video!! How did you find out they were there??
Thanks Dylan. I just keep an eye out on the notams and hope they turn up 🤞
notams??
@@dylanbale5709 notaminfo.com/ukmap
No Marston matting, just-in-case ?
That’s amazing, I’ll have to go down there myself soon. Any advice on when to go or do you just go there and wait, and keep an eye on the radar
Keep an eye on the notams and hope they turn up when active. Go to the personnel when it’s on and tell them your taking photos. They will brief you on where to go and where not to.
Good luck 🤞✈️
@@DafyddPhillips Right ok thank you appreciate the help, never really used notam before do you get little notice with using it or do they put it on well in advance?
@@BDogEnduro normally a few days before. It’s worth checking them every few days or so.
notaminfo.com/ukmap
@@DafyddPhillips Ok, thank you for the help 👍