I always got best results exposing with middle gray at around 33%. Either adding more light to the shadows or if I can’t a little chroma noise reduction and it looks good to go. Great topic. Not all cameras are best ETTR. BMCC 2.5K was a great example of a camera that benefited from ETTR. Not so much the C200.
Misleading. Anyone who's ETTR'ing should know (or already knows) that you should stick to native ISO. If you stick to the native ISO(s) then ETTR still gives a better result. You just need to not blow out highlights. ETTR can NOT result in noise. Anyone who is ETTR'ing by using ISO is an idiot. ETTR can give you better results than an in-camera properly exposed image. I know because I've tested.
|f its exposed to the right the exposure will be nudging on the right - it there is a load of clipping then it is over exposed not exposed to the right!
I always thought that ETTR is another way of saying don't overexpose your highlights - in other words, protect your highlights. I didn't realize that a lot of people were taking their image to the max and disregarding the overall exposure of the scene.
It does mean that. If you blow out highlights you're doing it wrong. ETTR literally means don't blow out your highlights, just have them sit right below 100% zebras.
Thank you for all your information. You pulled together a few things I was unclear about, coming from a 1DX ii setup, always following 'low ISO' rule of thinking, and now moving into working with my new C200 and understanding this cinema camera better. Subscribed! BTW, also appreciate your clean, rather simple delivery -without all the high-production gimmicks some other YT channels implement - and don't get me wrong, I love both styles,, but your videos hold just as much significance and keep my attention just as much. The information is so valuable!
I agree with that one need to take care of the exposure differently in filming. But it also depends on the sensor. Some sensors have latitude in the highlights, but poorer shadow details/noise so you expose to protect those. Other sensors are opposite and you expose to protect highlights. Thus just doing ETTR is not correct across sensors nor scenes.
I don't think this is good advice. ETTR doesn't mean "overexpose and blow out your highlights". It means expose to the right *without* blowing out the highlights. If you do this, the highlights are retained and you get a better S/N ratio in the dark areas. In some cases, like your example, it was not possible to ETTR because there was already data in the scene that was maxed out. There was nowhere to go. But in a different scene without such a bright background it may have been possible to ETTR without causing damage to the image. Similarly, as others have pointed out you should be shooting at the Base ISO of 800 (assuming C-Log 3). You don't ETTR by raising the ISO. You leave that alone, and you leave the shutter speed alone. All you have to work with is the Aperture, an ND filter, and the scene's lighting itself. You can adjust those to get your ETTR the way you want, and this is the correct way to do it, and you'll get an image with more data for you to play with in post. If you don't care about the shadows, then yes, there's no point in ETTR.
Love this video and your advice. Love your stuff. Sick of hearing the c200 being dumped because ... c70... c300.... they’re great, but so is the c200....
So I'm getting close to pulling the trigger and wanted your thoughts.. I ultimately want the best work flow - camera wise. I've got a C200 and was prepared to get the C300 and use the C200 as my B camera. But then the C70 came out. now having the 120 slow mo is great, but I still can get a C200 cheaper and I don't have to buy new recording cards. But are the colors similar in editing? And in this senerio the C70 would be the B camera. Getting the C300 I'd need new (recording cards) Are the colors similar-? Or should I simply just get another C200 and call it a day. The only thing really appealing is the 120 the C70 and C300 offer. Also it's not a matter of funds so that's not an issue, Also thinking about the C300 and it's future proofing advantage. What are your thoughts-?
It’s hard to see on CZcams but I would have gone for picture with the clipped highlights and cropped it. Seems as if the skin was somewhere around 60, which would be perfectly fine. I’d always go for the skin.
sorry my level english is quite poor, but i carreful heard your explanation, and i don't understand what you mean. For me, exposing photography for doing stills or cinematography is exactly the same : typicaly, step by step : don't blow-up HL, ETTR, and, if it possible : use the "sweat spot ISO" ( native iso, in fact, exist for stills camera too) so...i don't understand what you mean. Did you mean ETTR give more noise with a C200 ? ETTR never, ever means, burning HL. Not today, not yeasterday, not for doing stills, not for cinematography. So please what do you mean? Sorry for my poor english.
on the C200 there is no need to ETTR, as long as highlights are protected, exposing for what matters in the shot is all you need and if you have to raise the dark areas of the shot you have roughly 3.2 - 3.5 stops of available latitude. So shooting with a lower ISO keeps dark areas cleaner, where if you over expose the dark areas by increasing the ISO you end up with more noise.
first off thank you for saying that. I get so much advice from so many people that is on every possible extreme opposite of what happens in a video. I think I'm now understanding what's actually going on.
I always got best results exposing with middle gray at around 33%. Either adding more light to the shadows or if I can’t a little chroma noise reduction and it looks good to go. Great topic. Not all cameras are best ETTR. BMCC 2.5K was a great example of a camera that benefited from ETTR. Not so much the C200.
Thanks for sharing!
Misleading. Anyone who's ETTR'ing should know (or already knows) that you should stick to native ISO. If you stick to the native ISO(s) then ETTR still gives a better result. You just need to not blow out highlights. ETTR can NOT result in noise. Anyone who is ETTR'ing by using ISO is an idiot. ETTR can give you better results than an in-camera properly exposed image. I know because I've tested.
|f its exposed to the right the exposure will be nudging on the right - it there is a load of clipping then it is over exposed not exposed to the right!
Love the noise/grain texture on the C200 raw. I’m always at 800 ISO and happy holding the highlights and embracing the shadows 👌🏻
I always thought that ETTR is another way of saying don't overexpose your highlights - in other words, protect your highlights. I didn't realize that a lot of people were taking their image to the max and disregarding the overall exposure of the scene.
It does mean that. If you blow out highlights you're doing it wrong. ETTR literally means don't blow out your highlights, just have them sit right below 100% zebras.
Amazing info as always! Thanks Carlos!
Thank you for all your information. You pulled together a few things I was unclear about, coming from a 1DX ii setup, always following 'low ISO' rule of thinking, and now moving into working with my new C200 and understanding this cinema camera better. Subscribed! BTW, also appreciate your clean, rather simple delivery -without all the high-production gimmicks some other YT channels implement - and don't get me wrong, I love both styles,, but your videos hold just as much significance and keep my attention just as much. The information is so valuable!
I agree with that one need to take care of the exposure differently in filming. But it also depends on the sensor. Some sensors have latitude in the highlights, but poorer shadow details/noise so you expose to protect those. Other sensors are opposite and you expose to protect highlights. Thus just doing ETTR is not correct across sensors nor scenes.
I don't think this is good advice. ETTR doesn't mean "overexpose and blow out your highlights". It means expose to the right *without* blowing out the highlights. If you do this, the highlights are retained and you get a better S/N ratio in the dark areas. In some cases, like your example, it was not possible to ETTR because there was already data in the scene that was maxed out. There was nowhere to go. But in a different scene without such a bright background it may have been possible to ETTR without causing damage to the image. Similarly, as others have pointed out you should be shooting at the Base ISO of 800 (assuming C-Log 3). You don't ETTR by raising the ISO. You leave that alone, and you leave the shutter speed alone. All you have to work with is the Aperture, an ND filter, and the scene's lighting itself. You can adjust those to get your ETTR the way you want, and this is the correct way to do it, and you'll get an image with more data for you to play with in post. If you don't care about the shadows, then yes, there's no point in ETTR.
Love this video and your advice. Love your stuff. Sick of hearing the c200 being dumped because ... c70... c300.... they’re great, but so is the c200....
Right on
Nice video
Thanks
great advice!
Hey Bert hope to see another video of you guys giving out more of those tips and tricks for clients
Thanks for watching!
I guess I missed the "how to expose on the Canon C200" part of this video.
Haha this is one of many videos in the series if you need help though txt me
What happens to the dynamic range when the camera, say a Nikon DSLR is reduced below the native iso?
i believe the Nikon has a native ISO of 50...can you go lower?
@@carlosq00 My D700 has a native iso of 200 but can be dropped down to 100 but I know some go down to 80.
I heard the C200 native ISO is 400 not 800
So I'm getting close to pulling the trigger and wanted your thoughts.. I ultimately want the best work flow - camera wise. I've got a C200 and was prepared to get the C300 and use the C200 as my B camera. But then the C70 came out. now having the 120 slow mo is great, but I still can get a C200 cheaper and I don't have to buy new recording cards. But are the colors similar in editing? And in this senerio the C70 would be the B camera. Getting the C300 I'd need new (recording cards) Are the colors similar-? Or should I simply just get another C200 and call it a day. The only thing really appealing is the 120 the C70 and C300 offer. Also it's not a matter of funds so that's not an issue, Also thinking about the C300 and it's future proofing advantage. What are your thoughts-?
It’s hard to see on CZcams but I would have gone for picture with the clipped highlights and cropped it. Seems as if the skin was somewhere around 60, which would be perfectly fine. I’d always go for the skin.
Yeah I don’t like the whole ETTR for log. It pretty hard to do on lower end cameras in most situations without blowing out the highlights
literally said nothing of importance.
Lost in translation
sorry my level english is quite poor, but i carreful heard your explanation, and i don't understand what you mean. For me, exposing photography for doing stills or cinematography is exactly the same : typicaly, step by step : don't blow-up HL, ETTR, and, if it possible : use the "sweat spot ISO" ( native iso, in fact, exist for stills camera too) so...i don't understand what you mean. Did you mean ETTR give more noise with a C200 ? ETTR never, ever means, burning HL. Not today, not yeasterday, not for doing stills, not for cinematography. So please what do you mean? Sorry for my poor english.
on the C200 there is no need to ETTR, as long as highlights are protected, exposing for what matters in the shot is all you need and if you have to raise the dark areas of the shot you have roughly 3.2 - 3.5 stops of available latitude. So shooting with a lower ISO keeps dark areas cleaner, where if you over expose the dark areas by increasing the ISO you end up with more noise.
dude people will still watch your video without the gimmick of cutting every sentence. its too jarring and doesn't make your videos more interesting.
first off thank you for saying that. I get so much advice from so many people that is on every possible extreme opposite of what happens in a video. I think I'm now understanding what's actually going on.