Idk kinda scares me there’s so much that has higher failure potential. Let’s see in 10-15 years and see how things have held up and keep track of all the issues it had along the way. Then we can discuss how good it is. Something that is this new is scary, maybe they are the best ever, I just want to see that evidence.
Awesome video. I have the same unit in Sacramento, ca and I love it.... In summer. Now that winter is coming the sound of the heat pump is absolutely horrible... And, that makes me think the install needs to be revisited... Any ideas about how to quiet the system while in heat mode?
that's strange they're normally not very loud in heat mode either, ask for isolation pads, and to check charge, also there is a setting called anti heat delay that may be useful.
Thank you for the reply tradesman. I have ordered the isolation pads with the cork in the middle. Also, point of interest the loudest point (dB meter) is about 5 feet from the ground. The sound level is 107 dB on the wall and 63 at the top of the pump. ??? Either way thank you for your reply.
@davidceg790 interesting, the lineset carrying the refrigerant may be vibrating in the wall causing it to actually be louder than the system itself. I'd recommend checking there also.
Hello ModernTradesMen. I live in Southern California and one of the HVAC gave me a quote of $9,700 below included pulling local City permit. Is the Bosch heat pump compatible with ADP Air Handler? They said my garage doesn’t have 220v outlet so Bosch Air Handler can’t be used in this case. Are they correct? Thanks! Bosch Heat Pump BOVA-36HDN1-M20G ADP Air Handler FEME-34936-S003
the manufacturer recommends using their air handler and outdoor unit or their furnace and coil. However the manufacturer also states their outdoor unit and coil will work with other furnaces or blowers. I recommend using like for like!
How is the unit at dehumidification? Also, it looks quite complicated compared to a traditional condensing unit. Are qualified service technicians readily available to work on this system? Thank you.
variable speed systems are going to be better than traditional systems at dehumidification because of their longer run cycles. It's alot more technology than other systems but with much better efficiency, comfort, and noise reduction. you need to ask the company of your choice how much training and experience they have with these systems.
Nice video. According to my research the new 20 SEER 2.0 models operate at 36 to 130 per cent as opposed to 25 to 110 per cent in the prior models. Do you know why the significant change in operating ranges for these new 2.0 models? They all use Midea compressors?
you are correct! They now operate as low as 10degrees outside and are perfect for dual fuel operations. Yes they kept the same compressors as far as I understand
@@themoderntradesmen9352 Thanks. It seemed to me operating as low as 25 per cent was more efficient than 36 per cent so I did not understand the change. I have heard much good about the 2.0
I have this same unit installed in 2018, my air handler fan has started running 24/7 with thermostat on auto, check thermostat green wire is good, replaced air handler circuit board and relays. Outside unit has a 56 on display. How do I reset the code?
I am getting the bova-36hdn1-m18 installed this month. I currently have a nest thermostat. Should I get an ecobee premium? Will one work better than the other ?
I just had the BOVB-60HDN1-M18M installed paired with a replacement single stage goodman gas furnace. Surprisingly it seems to be able to operate at 2 stages even though the gas furnace is listed as a single stage (with an ECM fan though). However I notice the high stage is rather loud. I was suppose to get the 2.0 BOVA 20 seer unit and due to a snafu the installers just installed the 18 seer unit. Would it have been quieter if I had insisted on waiting for the 20 seer BOVA instead of the 18 seer BOVB they put in? They said the BOVA is discontinued for now and is unavailable, perhaps due to some issue with the parts?
Not sure if I understand. You have a mismatched goodman furnace with a 18 seer BOVB outdoor unit?( Not recommended) Adjust the blower speed to the right cfm of the outdoor unit and it may work ok. 2.0 BOVA is definitely not discontinued not sure why they told you that. The BOVB is actually the one that's discontinued.
We've only had good results with these systems so far. I took the training Bosch offers and I can tell you that they work best with a specific set up. (ductwork, air handler set up, outdoor unit set up, and thermostat set up is critical)
@jahmezis45 I didn't say it wouldn't work, but for it to work 100% correctly the way it was designed, then yeah you should use matching equipment. If you choose to use a different txv, air handler, etc. you may have issues but do as you wish
Yes this Bosch Inverter IS NOT your GRANDPA’s a/c unit …. They ‘load-match’ the compressors output (what you pay $$) … to the heat load of your structure (a/c-mode) thus saving a tremendous amount of energy, and you $$$’s … Please watch the Bosch factory Utube training and installation videos .. Fred C
Would it work with a ecobee with out issues I have the one with voice control , I’m considering the Bosh ids 2.0 or train xv18 or daiken fit they are all in the same price range
Yes the ecobee works decent and you won't have any issues. The bosch is overall more modular and has better airflow than the Trane in my opinion. Not to mention the bosch uses a standard 24v system which allows you to use most smart thermostats while the Trane uses DC voltage and requires its own special thermostat.
@@themoderntradesmen9352 that’s awesome It looks like they are the only one that can do that when it comes to variable speed inverter technology heat pumps trane and Daikin fit you have to use theirs stats , trane xv system air handler tam9 is communicating with the heat pump at 700 stages wheres as Bosh 2.0 keep it simple with a 2 stage air handler which will make easy to work on down the line, unlike daiken fit and trane only authorized dealer techs are the only ones that’s can touch and work on them with a in house tool/gadget or otherwise it will void the warranty but they all come with standard 10-12 years warranty tough decision all 3 seems to be good it’s give and take either go with a simple solution or a more high complex communicating system that could be a nightmare down the line ?
@@themoderntradesmen9352 What kind of issues if you don't mind telling. I just had mine professionally installed and running Nest with C(common wire)- connected to air handler board. Wondering if Nest is dropping voltage on compressor side and short cycling my hp?
@@ivanzecevic934 yes, they are sensitive to any changes in voltage (voltage drop).They would drop outdoor units randomly. They also fail at a higher rate than any other smart thermostat in our experience.
@@themoderntradesmen9352 Thank you. Very nice videos btw. I saw in one of the Bosh Training Videos that Nest is doing voltage drop on compressor side on every 15 to 17 minutes. It lasts for lest than 3 seconds and compressor shuts down and restart again because of it. I really like Nest and wondering if I constantly supply it with power independently of air handler board would this still be happening? Like using Nest power connector or C wire adapter for thermostats 24 volt transformer.
@@ivanzecevic934 yes you can do that but if you think of the additional cost to install a new transformer etc. you are much better off installing a honeywell t10 which is a much nicer Stat IMO
@@themoderntradesmen9352 some 3 ton changeouts have 7/8 suction and theres easy way to change out. Its wierd that the 5 ton supports 3/4 up to 1 1/8 and the 3 ton only says 3/4 max.
@@OnePointLander they swear its because oil return is typically less with variable speed systems in general and having bigger suction side would make the oil return even slower. It makes sense truthfully
@@themoderntradesmen9352 I can see this being true in situations where evap is below the condenser where oil had to work upwards. But in most residential here suction flows back downwards to the condenser. What would you do in this situation?
@@OnePointLander well remember that the compressor is also suctioning the refrigerant up the liquid line into the coil before it comes back down into the Condenser. With that being said you can install a 3/4 line and be 100% safe, or call tech support and they may tell you that since the Airhandler is close you can use the 7/8 but that's only an assumption.
Nice job putting the surge protector on the system! Tons of contractors don't do that.
They're making a big mistake by not doing it!
Idk kinda scares me there’s so much that has higher failure potential. Let’s see in 10-15 years and see how things have held up and keep track of all the issues it had along the way. Then we can discuss how good it is. Something that is this new is scary, maybe they are the best ever, I just want to see that evidence.
The are the best units. I sell them in Arizona since they are the only inverter variable speed package units vs only 2 stage on other brands
They are in a class of their own!
Awesome video. I have the same unit in Sacramento, ca and I love it.... In summer.
Now that winter is coming the sound of the heat pump is absolutely horrible... And, that makes me think the install needs to be revisited...
Any ideas about how to quiet the system while in heat mode?
that's strange they're normally not very loud in heat mode either, ask for isolation pads, and to check charge, also there is a setting called anti heat delay that may be useful.
Thank you for the reply tradesman.
I have ordered the isolation pads with the cork in the middle.
Also, point of interest the loudest point (dB meter) is about 5 feet from the ground. The sound level is 107 dB on the wall and 63 at the top of the pump. ???
Either way thank you for your reply.
@davidceg790 interesting, the lineset carrying the refrigerant may be vibrating in the wall causing it to actually be louder than the system itself. I'd recommend checking there also.
Filter dryer should be installed on the INSIDE of the home!
can you elaborate as to why?
@@themoderntradesmen9352 Sure it will rust in the elements better to keep it inside so that it doesnt have a chance to get a leak.
Hello ModernTradesMen. I live in Southern California and one of the HVAC gave me a quote of $9,700 below included pulling local City permit. Is the Bosch heat pump compatible with ADP Air Handler? They said my garage doesn’t have 220v outlet so Bosch Air Handler can’t be used in this case. Are they correct? Thanks!
Bosch Heat Pump
BOVA-36HDN1-M20G
ADP Air Handler
FEME-34936-S003
the manufacturer recommends using their air handler and outdoor unit or their furnace and coil. However the manufacturer also states their outdoor unit and coil will work with other furnaces or blowers. I recommend using like for like!
@@themoderntradesmen9352 thanks so much for response!
What company?
Should be on pump ups if it’s heat pump lol
true 😄
How is the unit at dehumidification? Also, it looks quite complicated compared to a traditional condensing unit. Are qualified service technicians readily available to work on this system? Thank you.
variable speed systems are going to be better than traditional systems at dehumidification because of their longer run cycles. It's alot more technology than other systems but with much better efficiency, comfort, and noise reduction. you need to ask the company of your choice how much training and experience they have with these systems.
Nice video. According to my research the new 20 SEER 2.0 models operate at 36 to 130 per cent as opposed to 25 to 110 per cent in the prior models. Do you know why the significant change in operating ranges for these new 2.0 models? They all use Midea compressors?
you are correct! They now operate as low as 10degrees outside and are perfect for dual fuel operations. Yes they kept the same compressors as far as I understand
@@themoderntradesmen9352 Thanks. It seemed to me operating as low as 25 per cent was more efficient than 36 per cent so I did not understand the change. I have heard much good about the 2.0
@@albertlevet119 I'll do a more in depth video soon 🙋🏾♂️
@@themoderntradesmen9352 Thanks. I appreciate your knowledge. Have a Great Day !
@@albertlevet119 new video with bosch updates!
Can you give me a link to the surge protector? Having a Bosch 2.0 unit installed next month
any hvac supply house can help you
I have this same unit installed in 2018, my air handler fan has started running 24/7 with thermostat on auto, check thermostat green wire is good, replaced air handler circuit board and relays. Outside unit has a 56 on display. How do I reset the code?
do a power cycle for 5 mins and you should be good
I am getting the bova-36hdn1-m18 installed this month. I currently have a nest thermostat. Should I get an ecobee premium? Will one work better than the other ?
I recommend the t10
@@themoderntradesmen9352 what’s the pros of the t10 ?
I just had the BOVB-60HDN1-M18M installed paired with a replacement single stage goodman gas furnace. Surprisingly it seems to be able to operate at 2 stages even though the gas furnace is listed as a single stage (with an ECM fan though). However I notice the high stage is rather loud. I was suppose to get the 2.0 BOVA 20 seer unit and due to a snafu the installers just installed the 18 seer unit. Would it have been quieter if I had insisted on waiting for the 20 seer BOVA instead of the 18 seer BOVB they put in? They said the BOVA is discontinued for now and is unavailable, perhaps due to some issue with the parts?
Not sure if I understand. You have a mismatched goodman furnace with a 18 seer BOVB outdoor unit?( Not recommended) Adjust the blower speed to the right cfm of the outdoor unit and it may work ok. 2.0 BOVA is definitely not discontinued not sure why they told you that. The BOVB is actually the one that's discontinued.
They installed a cheaper phased out model. Hopefully they heavily reduced the bid after downgrading your equipment?
What's the subcool/superheat on these supposed to be
superheat can vary but on force mode I typically see 10 superheat and 5 subcool per manufacturer recommendations
How is the humidity in the house? I heard some were having trouble controlling humidity. Also what was that big capacitor for in the panel?
We've only had good results with these systems so far. I took the training Bosch offers and I can tell you that they work best with a specific set up. (ductwork, air handler set up, outdoor unit set up, and thermostat set up is critical)
@@themoderntradesmen9352 any recommendations on thermostat setup?
@@josephschwenk7278 Yes. Set the CPH to 1 or 2 instead of the default of 3
Can i just connect this to my existing central air unit or does everything need to be bosch
you need matching equipment for it to work correctly
@@themoderntradesmen9352 that's 100% not true... Everything does not need to be Bosch... What kind of advice is this
@jahmezis45 I didn't say it wouldn't work, but for it to work 100% correctly the way it was designed, then yeah you should use matching equipment. If you choose to use a different txv, air handler, etc. you may have issues but do as you wish
Mine is running with an ecobee
Yes this Bosch Inverter IS NOT your GRANDPA’s a/c unit ….
They ‘load-match’ the compressors output (what you pay $$) … to the heat load of your structure (a/c-mode) thus saving a tremendous amount of energy, and you $$$’s …
Please watch the Bosch factory Utube training and installation videos .. Fred C
Would it work with a ecobee with out issues I have the one with voice control , I’m considering the Bosh ids 2.0 or train xv18 or daiken fit they are all in the same price range
Yes the ecobee works decent and you won't have any issues. The bosch is overall more modular and has better airflow than the Trane in my opinion. Not to mention the bosch uses a standard 24v system which allows you to use most smart thermostats while the Trane uses DC voltage and requires its own special thermostat.
@@themoderntradesmen9352 that’s awesome It looks like they are the only one that can do that when it comes to variable speed inverter technology heat pumps trane and Daikin fit you have to use theirs stats , trane xv system air handler tam9 is communicating with the heat pump at 700 stages wheres as Bosh 2.0 keep it simple with a 2 stage air handler which will make easy to work on down the line, unlike daiken fit and trane only authorized dealer techs are the only ones that’s can touch and work on them with a in house tool/gadget or otherwise it will void the warranty but they all come with standard 10-12 years warranty tough decision all 3 seems to be good it’s give and take either go with a simple solution or a more high complex communicating system that could be a nightmare down the line ?
@@carlosr.2027 I think bosch is the only system that's high seer and high comfort that's simple to work on.
@@themoderntradesmen9352 thank you so much for your input! truly appreciate it !
@@carlosr.2027 you're welcome!
Do you run Nest as stat on your units?
no, we installed them for a bit but we found some issues and discontinued them.
@@themoderntradesmen9352
What kind of issues if you don't mind telling.
I just had mine professionally installed and running Nest with C(common wire)- connected to air handler board.
Wondering if Nest is dropping voltage on compressor side and short cycling my hp?
@@ivanzecevic934 yes, they are sensitive to any changes in voltage (voltage drop).They would drop outdoor units randomly. They also fail at a higher rate than any other smart thermostat in our experience.
@@themoderntradesmen9352
Thank you.
Very nice videos btw.
I saw in one of the Bosh Training Videos that Nest is doing voltage drop on compressor side on every 15 to 17 minutes. It lasts for lest than 3 seconds and compressor shuts down and restart again because of it. I really like Nest and wondering if I constantly supply it with power independently of air handler board would this still be happening?
Like using Nest power connector or C wire adapter for thermostats 24 volt transformer.
@@ivanzecevic934 yes you can do that but if you think of the additional cost to install a new transformer etc. you are much better off installing a honeywell t10 which is a much nicer Stat IMO
Have you installed the 3ton on 7/8 suction line by any chance?
No I haven't, and the training that bosch provided stated that it's not a good idea. you may find more information in the installation guide
@@themoderntradesmen9352 some 3 ton changeouts have 7/8 suction and theres easy way to change out. Its wierd that the 5 ton supports 3/4 up to 1 1/8 and the 3 ton only says 3/4 max.
@@OnePointLander they swear its because oil return is typically less with variable speed systems in general and having bigger suction side would make the oil return even slower. It makes sense truthfully
@@themoderntradesmen9352 I can see this being true in situations where evap is below the condenser where oil had to work upwards. But in most residential here suction flows back downwards to the condenser. What would you do in this situation?
@@OnePointLander well remember that the compressor is also suctioning the refrigerant up the liquid line into the coil before it comes back down into the Condenser. With that being said you can install a 3/4 line and be 100% safe, or call tech support and they may tell you that since the Airhandler is close you can use the 7/8 but that's only an assumption.