Heat Pumps in 2024 | What You Should Know
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- čas přidán 13. 02. 2024
- In this video we talk about heat pumps in 2024 and everything you need to know. If you're shopping for a heat pump, there is a lot to consider and a lot of new heat pumps coming to the US market in 2024. Whether you're considering a geothermal heat pump, an air to water heat pump, or a traditional Air Source Heat pump, in this video we cover what you need to know about heat pumps. We cover things like the inflation reduction act and heat pump tax credits, as well as the tax credits available for geothermal heat pumps in 2024.
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20 min of bullshit talk?
Bingo
The lack of knowledge of most HVAC companies is amazing. Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland mostly uses heat pumps, with temperatures of -30 Centigrade common. In Maryland I tried to arrange an energy audit. The owner of the company asked what I wanted it for and I told him that I wanted to install a heat pump. He told me that heat pumps don't work in Maryland and that he had twenty years experience. As for geothermal pumps New York based Dandelion is putting them in for under $20k while Maryland charges over $50k
I am also in MD. I'd be interested in hearing your research and experience...and sharing mine as I go through the process, if youre willing.
This is true a lot of contractors aren’t as informed of the newer CCHP products on the market that work in cold temps
Took a home inspection years ago. North America is not quite familiar about it nor government at that time promoted it. Technician are not trained ahead of this technology.
Did you talk to someone else? He seems a few meters off kilter :)
The fact is that at negative 30 a heat pump has a coefficient of performance close to 1.
good information..glad to hear it happening in America finally..Peace from Ireland! Remember they work in Norway for last 40 years so they do work!
Thanks and cheers! I know Europe has better tech available lol hope we get some of that soon
@@TheHVACDopeShow ironically,we have the same special interests and climate laggards trying to scupper this too. It's a no brainer to insulate and go for heat pump and smart cylinders...not sure if you have Joule brand water cylinders but they are excellent. Good luck!
truly great video and better even the presentation thumbs up to you sir
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
The key is to have a system that matches your load. DON'T OVERSIZE. Installers typically oversize because it makes them more $ and always provides enough capacity. However this capacity oversize comes with an enormous cost in efficiency. Always find what you building's heat loss is and match the system's capacity to that.
Great summary report!
Thx,
Eric
Glad you enjoyed it!
Super grateful I found this video and you covered examples for rentals. I have to replace 2 HVAC units in my rental properties and was wondering if it was worth upgrading past the simple air source heat pump. I'm currently running furnace heating, but singe stage air source heat pump seems to be the way to go.
My pleasure glad you enjoyed it! For sure, I’ve seen several customers get higher efficiency systems for rentals and we just make sure they are planning on hiring us for maintenance (or anyone lol, handyman or whoever to maintain it) because if it’s not maintained it will get destroyed. And the benefit is not noticed or appreciated by tenants, unless they’re working in HVAC 😂 My wife says I’m the only one she knows who checks out the HVAC in hotel rooms and has comments about it lol… Single stage is great it’s reliable, can be fixed easily and they’ll love you for it being so reliable.
oh wow this is good to know about this monoblock system
Which monobloc systems are coming out in 2024? I was waiting for that part of the video (or a link) but did not see it.
Good job mate, covered a lot of info & scenario’s. Daiken inverter splits are a great choice and are very quiet. I think to consider buying a propane based system is also a big plus for efficiency.
Yes! I am hoping the r290 monobloc units make there way here soon. I’ve been talking to a few manufacturers about them.
Daikin are not best not effecive not have normal UserInterface. There are much better options.
Propane is great if you need high temperatures, but they are ony monoblock systems and your heating systems must enter outside with all problems following that.
A few weeks ago we did a new HVAC system for our home. We live in a single story home of about 1500 square feet. We had a system composed of baseboard heating in the living area (big open floor plan with kitchen, family and living room as essentially one room) and two of the three other rooms. (Two bedrooms and an office) We then had a window unit in one bedroom and the office a 18000 BTU air unit in the wall of the living area.
With no ductwork in the home we opted for a full ductless HVAC system. My initial plan was to use a single outdoor unit and then split to heads in the three rooms and the living area. After sitting down with the installers we decided to go with three separate external units. By doing this we do not need to run any condensation pumps, which is just one more thing that can go wrong. The living area has a single head attached to a 18000 BTU unit. The office is a single head on a 9000 BTU and the two bedrooms share an 18000 BTU external with a head in each room.
The office was the problem child room for a number of reasons, it sits in the middle of the home and has real issues with cooling. The area is around 2000 square feet with three high powered computer systems running almost all the time. This means in the summer the office can be 10F to 20F warmer than the rest of the house EASILY, thus why I installed a window unit for just that room, initially. During the winter it needs substantially less heat. However the problem is the in between. When the outside temp in say 45 to 50 F it is not uncommon for the office to me in the low to mid 80F range. So we needed a way to keep the office cooled when the rest of the house might need to be warmed.
This is where I got my first education on the heat pump system. It can only heat or cool at any time. So while a larger single unit with split heads might have sounded like the right idea, the office all but required us to look at separate system so it could switch between heating and cooling modes independent of the rest of the house. The other three "zones" are at opposite ends of the home and to avoid a lot of runs through the attic we choose to go with each end of the house on a separate unit.
The result has been outstanding. We are drawing less than half the total daily KW usage with this system than we have drawn on similar temp days for the last year. The house has a stable temp, while we can independently control each room we keep the same temp house wide. There are no "hotspots" in the home on COLD mornings. You know those places near a heater where the air is much warmer. The whole house has a uniform feel to the air.
I live at the South end of Illinois, where the Mississippi and Ohio meet, so we see some cold but nothing crazy. The units we got are Carriers rated to 100% heat capability at down to -4F and 70% at -22F so more than enough to handle a typical winter. They are near silent and we could not be happier.
I get the desire to have a single external unit, however there is a lot to be said for the efficiency and options multiple external units offer.
That’s great to hear thanks for sharing your experience! Sounds like that was a great choice for you! Well done!
Way too long😅
thanks for pointing this out for people. plus you get redundancy, and your single-unit repairs are easier, because with a multi the new technician has to take more time to diagnose your system, and the things that go wrong can increase with repressurizing. The small units also have better efficiency.
@@amazingaces4389... unlike your pearls of "wisdom".. 🙄😒
Thanks Howard! I am so glad you continue to publish these videos. I'm about to purchase an older home in Northern Wisconsin that is only heated via a pellet stove... Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm going to be renovating and insulating to modern standards. And, updating / installing something that doesn't require me to feed Seymour so often! FYI I sent you a PM, as well.
My sister in law installed a Mitsubishi cold climate heat pump last year. They are about 45 minutes from Superior WI. They are saving $150 each month compared to the previous year with propane. They supplement with wood on very cold nights, so keep the pellet stove functional.
Mitsubishi, LG and Daikin all make good cold weather heat pumps.
Thanks for the comment! That’s a great first hand testimonial / experience so I appreciate you chiming in!
My pleasure Dave! I saw that and thanks for the message, happy to help :)
@@alberthartl8885 Thank You for that information. It was very helpful!
I've been an HVAC tech for many years, and learned some things from this video. Nicely done. I won't mention brands, but the single stage units are a very good, all around type ACs (especially for hot climates like Phoenix, Yuma, Las Vegas, Indio, Palm Springs, etc), and in my opinion is nearly always a good long term option because of its simple basic design, which was mentioned in the video. Also, the inverter types are the most quiet in operation, but the single stage type are being manufactured with considerable noise reduction in design, especially compared to 10+ years ago.
Thanks, appreciate the informative / experience based comment too I know viewers always appreciate these!
If you have hydronic heat, an R290 cold climate monoblock heat pump can supply all your heating and cooling requirements in Canada. R290 is a superior refrigerant but because it is a hydrocarbon and flammable has not been used on whole house refrigeration/heat pump systems. Now that R290 monoblocks are available where all the refrigerant is contained outside the house, they are safe and more efficient than conventional split systems using R410a. They are UL and CSA approved and are even less expensive to build and operate than R410a due to the lower pressures and higher water temperatures possible even at outside temperatures down to -31C. Europe and Asia have already adopted R290 monoblock heat pumps and they are the future of hydronic heating/cooling.
I hope so! Hoping to get my hands on them out here in Colorado (and other cold climates soon) and start selling and installing them. They look awesome and very versatile. Our customers with solar will love them and the use case. Thanks for the comment!
Hi, great video as always.
What is the difference between the Fit and VRV ? What would you recommend for costal Southern California 2500 sqft two story house?
VRV just gives you more zoning capacity so you can connect multiple head units / zoning. It depends how important comfort is to you, climate is pretty mild by the beach but a Daikin fit is probably more than enough. VRV will give you zoning so you’re able to connect to multiple head units if you want a cassette / ductless in the master (for example) or multiple zones.
@@TheHVACDopeShow thank you!
Excellent information ! I have a Carrier Furnace and Carrier HVAC AC outside both installed in 2018 before I bought the home and i'm curious when do you think I should go with a dual fuel (HeatPump/Furnace combo) in Kansas (100F summers and some 0F and single digits during winter storms), should I run them until they are old and breaking down or should I change them sooner. Warranties are expired as the warranty papers were never filed so the warranty ended after 5 years on parts. I am also planning on going solar in a year or two (planning on it) so solar will help run the heat pump.
Great question and lots of feedback! It’s really a personal call. If it’s a home you think you’re going to be in for at least 10 years or more and want to make it your own then it might be worth considering, but if you’re going to move in a few years and turn it into a rental or something I definitely would not spend the money. At 6 years old the system is pretty new still so it just depends on your financial situation. Since there’s no rush I would probably wait until you do the solar if you’re 100% sure on that, but since you don’t have to make a decision overnight it doesn’t hurt to think on it… just my two cents
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I switched from gas ducted hearing to Panasonic split systems (and solar panels) and am saving easily $1200/yr. The AC payback time is 4 years and solar panels are 6 years. Split systems are controlled with an app on my phone. Such a great upgrade. My hot water is also a heat pump. (Australia).
That’s awesome!
Another great Video . I'm in S Florida and recently installed a Daikin Fit Heat Pump and haven't had to have it on for heating and just a couple of days for cooling. I have it set to off and noticed that the outside unit does run occasionally which according to the installer is normal. Does that sound correct to you?'
Pardon my Long response but Thanks glad you enjoyed it! You have the thermostat set to off and the condenser is running? Is the fan on or the compressor too? I’d keep an eye on it because it’s hard to say without being there. There’s an actual “off” setting on the thermostat, and then there’s on but just not calling for cool/heat (ie set to cool at 76 but it’s 72 in the house because it’s winter or whatever so it’s not kicking on). If it’s the latter the system might randomly cycle depending on what’s happening but I can’t say that it running sounds normal. I’ve seen the wind spin the fan blades and make it look like it’s running that’s why I’d check, but if you’re thermostat mode is set to “off” I’m pretty sure the outdoor unit shouldn’t kick on. Normally what throws people off is defrost cycles and getting used to how heat pumps and different systems operate but if you have a communication issue with the wiring I’ve seen the systems do weird things. Disclaimer - I don’t expect this statement to mean anything to you lol but if you pass it onto a tech they will know what it means… in our experience The best thing you can do on Daikin fit systems is have single wires going into the Phoenix connector on Data 1 / 2 connections (your data ports for the communicating thermostat wire) and then have a wire nut that “daisy chains” them, vs trying to “double
Lug “ the wires into the connector. I’ve seen this cause a lot of random communication issues but normally it’s just the system not picking up the condenser or coil or something and just changing this wiring fixes it. If you call Daikin tech support they can answer that for you because it sounds off to me but I’d want to be there in person looking at your thermostat to verify first.
I'm also in S FLorida with a Daikin Fit inverter and have noted the condenser fan running even though the system mode is OFF. On page 48 of the manual, there is a notation "Outdoor unit fan may sometime (sic) start running regardless of demand from thermostat for system reliability reason (sic)"
Can we pair a HEHP with oil furnace ? Where can we find out if the heat pump can be installed as add on vs heat pump to be installed as combo with its matching furnace.
Depends on the heat pump, a local contractor familiar with heat pumps like the intelliheat (Mitsubishi) should be able to integrate one assuming it’s forced air? But there’s normally a way provided the heat pump has flexibility
We'd like to add an air source heat pump to our current gas furnace/AC ducted system. Our 3000 sf house was built in 2012, and we installed solar with battery in 2020. The original Carrier furnace is in good condition, but we're not sure if we should replace it at the same time. Our intention is to use the heat pump almost exclusively in this southern California climate, and reserve the furnace as a backup for power outages.
We figure that the power draw on only an air handler for the furnace is low, so either the house battery can handle that, or in the event of limited solar production, the V to L battery on the Ioniq 5 can pick up the slack.
Since the furnace will be used only sparingly, can it be replaced at a later date if necessary?
What about the sizing of the heat pumps? There is a 4 ton and and 3 ton A/C unit in the current setup. We're thinking that with a dual fuel system, we could go smaller on the sizing.
When I look for info about sizing to a design temperature, the figures I see for our county are 11° and 112°F. We've lived here for 35 years and never seen temperatures close to those.
Anyway, your thoughts would be appreciated.
Right on, thanks for commenting! The heat load doesn’t change with equipment so I wouldn’t reduce sizing unless it’s oversized for the home, you’ll have a system that won’t keep up and will be very frustrated. You could consider a Mitsubishi Intelliheat they don’t require a furnace change but if you have a 2012 carrier search the model number and “recall” or “lawsuit” because you probably have the tail end model of furnace designs that had a faulty heat exchanger. They made them until 2014. I definitely wouldn’t waste money replacing my AC with a Mitsubishi intelliheat on top of that furnace just because that heat exchanger fails and leaks CO, it’s just a matter of when. Look up the model number first though just to verify. It’s a furnace with a solid 40” tall door as opposed to two separate doors (for the top burner compartment and one for the blower compartment). That’s kind of the visual giveaway for the models that were affected…
If you’re replacing the furnace you can pair with multiple options, and the furnace is already 12 years old so it’s not what I would consider brand new by any means so it’s really up to you. The Mitsubishi intelliheat keeps up 24/7 in your climate so you’ll never need back up heat really and it’s very efficient even on battery backup. It’s your call ultimately but those are things I would consider. The Daikin fit enhanced heat pump would keep up 24/7 in your climate as well in California
Hello, I live in Calgary, AB, a very cold climate as we do reach -40F in the winter. My question is simple (I think?). Who makes the best performing CCASHP in the 3-5 ton range for this sort of climate? I’ve had a manual J completed and for heating it was at around 64,200 btu/hr and cooling it was around 30,350 btu/hr. (There is much latent cooling requirement in this area) I’ll be looking for a dual fuel system with a 3-4 ton ccASHP. So in heating I’ll be looking for units that have a performance curve that is flat as possible and reaches the coldest temperature possible before really starting to decline. It seems like a Daikin Fit Enhanced Enhanced is something that I should be looking at? But I’ve been told that the Mitsubishi HyperHeat H2i units probably offer the best overall cold climate heating performance?
I love the Daikin Fit Enhanced but I agree I think the Mitsubishi H2i hyper heat product has a better COP curve if I’m not mistaken. Just make sure they’re sizing for the cooling load / and ductwork constraints, and dual fuel system is way to go for your application. 3 ton is probably good but I’d defer to a local contractor that knows the Technology in your area and climate and what they recommend, but we typically size for cooling load because that’s the limitations of the ductwork usually.
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thanks much!
Sorry, I have another question. I haven’t been able to find any information on the Daikin FIT Enhanced (DZ6 VSC), not even on their website. Is it even available for sale yet and if not do you know when it would be (at least in the USA)? Would you have any information you could post/send?
You didn't mention the new more efficient R290 (propane filled) heat pumps.
They’re not available in the USA, but I have made videos about R290 monobloc
Awesome info. So what is the best heat pump for Pueblo for an 1900sqft house we'll sell in the next 5 years?
If you want the maximum comfort I’d consider a Daikin fit enhanced heat pump, but if you just want a cost effective option then maybe consider a base model… but right now in Colorado that Daikin fit enhanced heat pump also qualifies for a $1500 state tax credit that’s an instant rebate in addition to the federal tax credit. So with the rebates right now the inverter might be the same price as a basic single stage system. The state tax credit just has to be through a qualifying contractor energyoffice.colorado.gov/hptc
Very informative video, thanks. I'm trying to replace my ancient (ducted) AC and gas furnace with a ducted heat pump. The installer has suggested a modulating inverter cold-climate heat pump but has said that if the system were sized for my heating load, it would be oversized for the cooling load, resulting in short cycling in the summer. He wants to size to the cooling load and cover the heating gap with gas or resistive heat. I thought that one benefit of the modulating inverter was that it can be sized for the heating load and simply modulate down during the summer. Is that right? I'm really hoping there's a way to adequately heat and cool-- with a heat pump-- a home in an area that gets hot summers and cold winters. The technology exists, right?
What he’s saying is correct but you’ll be fine sizing for the cooling load that’s how it’s done typically just to account for constraints in ductwork as well. Inadequate airflow is a killer with AC / refrigeration (and therefore heat pumps) but what you’ll probably find is the heat pump satisfies the load 90+ % of the time without backup heat needing to kick in to keep up. At our house we get average lows around 10F in the winter and it still does ok and warms up the house much quicker than our boiler (radiant heat notoriously takes a while). It’s only at -10F or colder that the heat pump just won’t keep up but for us it still works because after deration the air handler it’s connecting too is still less than half of its capacity so we never really notice a difference.
I'm building a new construction home in Strasburg VA. What Heat Pump brand would you recommend that's high value (Rheem? Carrier? Bosch? Lennox? Trane?)?
Daikin Fit Enhanced… if you want radiant floors you could also use a Daikin Altherma air to water heat pump and tie it in with an air handler for cooling. Coming to USA Q4 of 2024
A quick question about Daikin FDMQ15WVJU9 / FDMO24WVJU9 / 4MXS36WMVJU9 looking for info that Daikin cant give. Along with these products I was sold 2 Cloud Wifi adaptors and 2 BRC1E73 remote controllers. Do I need two cloud adaptors 1 for each concealed ducted units and can I use a Ecobee thermostat since I have multiple other thermostats in the home.
Thank you for any input, I found your channel after I purchased unfortunately. Great content
Yes on the multiport systems you need a cloud adapter for each and you should have access to them both in the app. There isn’t an interface to be able to use an ecobee and honestly it would cause issues with how the inverters like to operate because sometimes ecobee “thinks it knows best” and the learning functions significantly affect performance because they throw off how the system operates. We see this on the Bosch systems which will pair with any thermostat but the learning features on nest and ecobee always create issues. Hope you like the slim duct systems they’re great
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thank you. I hope I do also. Getting installed soon.
One big thing to remember is that most of the savings will be in shoulder season like spring and fall where you don't need to run the system at 100%. When that Noreaster or January cold snap comes it doesn't matter what you got. Steam, radiant floors, forced air etc. Your heating system is going to run at full throttle. To get a true sense of savings look at the energy usage for the previous year and the first year of the system. Don't install in January and be dissapointed that you didn't save money in February.
I have a 1800 square foot home and need a new AC. The SEER2 are higher than SEER. I have a 3 ton. Should I get another SEER: 15 vs SEER2: 15.2?
If you’re going to be there a while and use the AC a lot then yes you’ll probably see a savings with a more efficient system. If what you’re discussing is two different single stage systems, I don’t think seer 1 vs 2 both 15 seer single stage will make a big difference honestly
So short answer is either is pretty comparable 😁
What would you recommend for a new construction home, about 2500 square feet in the Northeast? I'm looking for something reliable, 10+ year warranty and high efficiency. The home will be on natural gas. Thank you!
Lots to unpack there, depends if you’re going to be adding solar? The most “luxurious” form of heat for a custom build is always radiant in floor heating, and I’d probably consider tying it in with a geothermal heat pump and solar panels, or an air to water heat pump and solar. I’d also have an air handler for cooling (if needed) and this would also allow for a steam humidifier. That would probably be the “best” setup. If you’re using natural gas are you doing boiler? Radiant heat? Just check out some of our other videos on boilers or combi boilers and you can decide what sounds like a fit for your situation. If you’re doing forced air you could do dual fuel, I would just watch our videos but on new construction natural gas you’re putting in high efficiency one way or another because it’s required on new builds.
@@TheHVACDopeShow thanks for the reply! Radiant flooring would not be in the budget, solar may be in the future but not right away after the build is done. I was looking at heat pumps and dual fuels but been getting deeper in a rabbit hole and lost lol. Forced air would probably be what I'd be doing for A/C, if that's what you were asking. Thanks again!
Struggling here and need help.
I live in South Florida and have a 5,400 sqft single level property.
I currently have 2 heat pump condenser units. 1 is broken and that is why I am writing.
I also have 2 mini splits in my back two room additions. Love Love Love the Mini Splits.
I would like to ADD a 3rd 2 zone mini split to replace my 4 ton HVAC, but my handyman said the house would not sell if I did that. But the Mini split is much more efficient than the condenser and air handler.
Anybody got any thoughts? It's hot and I have to do something about the handler and condenser replacement.
VRV Life will allow you to keep that system and add another mini split head unit on the same condenser, this way you keep your central air and also add the zoning you desire. Super efficient and gives you the best of both worlds
If you put the outside unit of a air-sourced, single-stage heat pump underground, like in a detached cellar, it will operate over a wider range of outside temps.
It’s still having to transfer heat somehow… so the cellar will be freezing and eventually run out of thermal energy if it’s not a big enough where heat transfer can occur. I’ve never seen this done but I know this is how geothermal loops have issues when they’re the wrong size and don’t have enough heat transfer feeding the loop so the home can’t keep up.
Sir. Great video. Quick question. We are building a custom home in Northeastern Wyoming where winter temps can average a low of -20 degrees F for prolonged periods of time; and summer temps can get as high as upper 80s. Why type of system do you recommend, and if you can include recommended vendors (ie Daikin or Trane, etc.). Thank you.
If you’re doing a heat pump I would definitely do a dual fuel (have furnace backup not electric backup) because of the cold temps. There’s a Rheem side discharge heat pump that has better cold performance but not the greatest high ambient performance so if you’re wanting a heat pump I’d consider that one (I belive rd16az is the model it’s labeled as cold climate side discharge though). Besides that any dual fuel with good low ambient ratings (that one is rated to -22F but you’ll set the switchover temp around 0-10F probably depending on natural gas prices just because it’s more efficient). If you’re wanting geothermal that’s an option since it’s custom, not sure which systems I’d recommend for that but your contractor will have input. If you are installing radiant flooring then geothermal is a good option
The air to water heat pumps are ok for radiant floors too but I’d only do that if I didn’t have access to or didn’t want to spend money on a geothermal loop… geothermal loops last a long time btw like 50+ years so the nice thing is they last forever
@@TheHVACDopeShow Sir...thank you for the quick responses. Much appreciated.
Does Daikin pay you for promoting their products on your platform? I’m in the SE considering changing out a 20 yr old tired 4 ton AC unit with an air handler with electric heat strips to a Daikin FIT heat pump. Looking for honest unbiased opinions.
I’m a dealer so it won’t be completely “unbiased” but they’re not giving us buckets of cash to tell people how good their stuff is if that’s what you’re asking lol… I could sell any brand but we have chosen Daikin as one of the main options for the reasons we talk about in the vids. Daikin fit is a great product
We just moved into our new home and we are getting solar panels put on in the next few months, so I was looking at options. I love the idea of a dual fuel system, especially if it can work with our existing furnace. Thanks for the video, if you service the Colorado Springs area let me know otherwise, if you have a referral for someone in my area, I would appreciate it.
We do service the springs, happy to take a look and give you a few options. Mitsubishi intelliheat is a great option for using an existing furnace and adding a heat pump, and they’re quieter than the Bosch (Bosch is quiet, only louder sometimes in defrost mode…) so the intelliheat more comparable to a Daikin Fit. But either way happy to take a look and go over some options.
My AC needs to be replaced and my furnace is 18 years old (still works). My HVAC guy recommended a heat pump (inverter) to cover both heating/cooling. I live in a condo (750 sq feet) and am pretty conservative with both heating and cooling, live in the Bay area. Is the decision to move towards a heat pump pretty no-brainer? I had estimate for AC + furnace installation and it pretty much cost wise was about the same (after federal tax and local rebates)
It should keep up easily based on your climate and just remember heat pump is also your AC so as long as it’s a decent inverter like the Daikin fit then it’s a nice piece of equipment and you’ll probably be very happy with it. I just avoid single stage systems / lower efficiency because they’re more to operate but also comfort wise not as quiet etc.
Great video , but won't you also have to have a 200 amp service coming into your home. I know you mentioned solar but that too is a big expense. This is especially true if you are having an electric vehicle? For Canadians I think Insurance will make you have a furnace also if you want coverage. I don't know if that is the same for Geothermal. So you save money for 10 months of the year perhaps as oppose to 5 months of the year when we actually turn our furnace off. Not sure what system needs to be in place in order to prevent your hot water tank from using natural gas.
You’re talking about for electric back up heat? In colder climates, we recommend dual fuel for now or geothermal because Geo doesn’t need back up Heat. Might have a buffer set up. All of the air water
Heat pump products provide domestic hot water as well.
@@TheHVACDopeShow no I am talking about using heat pumps. are you saying they do not need 200 amp service even if you have an electric car?
so HOW Loud is the Heat Pump Inverter, running at 100% ... I can't stand any noise like a regular A/c Unit
At 100% it’s quieter than a normal unit still but nothing is silent. Your indoor air handler still has to circulate air and this always makes noise at 100% capacity from circulation of air. But the condenser outside will be 45-55/60 DB most of the time and very quiet by comparison to a single stage system.
how much does a monoblock system costs to a single stage system
I’ve only gotten a few quotes but what’s on the market currently is basically double what an air source split system heat pump costs so that’s been a downside… I think the systems coming to the USA market this year will bring competition and drive the price down but one quote I got was outrageous in my opinion (just for the equipment I was quoted 30k) but even and there was no way I could justify selling that product to a customer after marking it up, but other manufacturers were still around double was a high efficiency split system cost so it was definitely still a harder sell. Hopefully they’re able to bring down manufacturing costs enough to make it more feasible
Double or triple… not cheap at the moment
Plumber here.. Im very interested in these Monoblock systems... can you refer us to some products that are being used in north america? I cant seem to find any
Spacepak (Solstice), Enertech, Nordic, and I think even Trane has one
Gree also has one. I found a Taco product but the price point was absurd, double what the other ones were charging (and they are already expensive systems)
How efficient are they when it is -40C for a 2 week period? How efficient are they for a full winter period in Manitoba/Sask/AB in Canada?
Is that the high or the low? In Edmonton right now the lows are single digits (6F for example) into the teens and 20’s next week so that’s a perfectly acceptable range for a CC heat pump. -40F is the same as -40C, so if it hits -40F in a dual fuel system it will switch over. For geothermal heat pumps it’s a non issue. R290 monobloc heat pumps keep up in colder temps (-20/-30F) but aren’t available yet in USA not sure about Canada.
I believe the $8000 incentive is a rebate that is applied at the time of sale rather than as a tax credit. This explains the income requirement in that it incentivizes low income home owners who normally wouldn't be able to upgrade to a more efficient heat source to do so. Unfortunately the rebate program is being very slowly implemented and varies from state to state and is probably going to be influenced by political considerations.
I haven’t seen 8k mentioned since it first came out and don’t know who or how they qualify. I know tax credits occur at tax time when you file so it’s normally in the form of an income tax refund, this is how it’s done for Solar / Ev’s etc so I don’t know how they’d change it for heat pumps. That would definitely make things easier though!
I want a heat pump that can integrate with my oil boiler to use my baseboard heat and water heater. The hybrid water heaters are useless in Maine, where they steal their heat from an area you are paying to heat... but an outdoor unit wouldn't be doing that.
They’re available the air to water monoblock r32 systems are out now and available.
I came to learn how heat pumps will get me off of that natural gas monopoly racket. It's cold, but I do not want dual fuel and no room for geothermal. What's plan C? What's the cold climate heat pump that actually works? Do I need an R290 or a C02 unit?
Where are you located / what region? Air handler with a backup electric heat kit is probably fine but need to know how cold it gets… even in places like Minnesota etc. a heat pump can keep up down to -10F. Best thing you can do is insulation to tighten the envelope for your home.
@@TheHVACDopeShow Idaho. We get low temps in winter nights that are in the negatives. Do they have something rated to -20F?
I don't mind over-doing it a bit to know that even in a once-in-a-hundred-years cold, my system will still work perfect.
(The coldest temperature ever recorded in Boise was -30 on Christmas Day 1924)
Most mini-splits have variable speed compressors anyway.
This is true 😁
Awesome video. However, you are incorrect about the IRA tax incentives and rebates. The tax incentives are available now for anyone and you are correct most likely won’t be applicable to low income individuals. The rebates that are income dependent are an upfront rebate off of the purchase price so it becomes more affordable at the time of purchase or low to moderate income families. For low income individuals, the rebate is 100% of the total installed cost up to $8000. For median income individuals, the rebate is still an up front rebate and covers 50% of the total installed cost up to $8000. This is the intent from the federal level however, each state has the ability to implement it however they see fit. I am in Michigan and the rebate funds should be available later this year.
Do inverter heat pumps require a different type of thermostat as compared to single stage and multistage heat pumps? Especially in regard to smart thermostats? My manufacturer says I need to use their thermostat since it's an inverter heat pump but it's clunky, ugly, and doesn't have great iOS/android app support. I'd prefer to use a Nest or Ecobee that supports multistage, but no one seems to have information about inverter heat pump related thermostats. Thanks!
Depends on the system, we have some videos coming out on the Bosch systems which are inverters but don’t require a special thermostat. Unfortunately Daikin does and so do most of the other manufacturers. I’m sure this will change though since manufacturers like Bosch have a competitive advantage in this respect
I need 10 mini split air conditioners 5,000 btu for small rooms of 9sqm each.
Nice!
Are any of these new heat pumps using carbon dioxide as their refrigerant?
Not in the USA but that might be a thing at some point here too, I think R290 will make its way here sooner just due to the uses
2-stage is for comfort, not primarily saving energy!
the parts aren't always more expensive for 2-stage.
Agreed, but normally the 2 stage parts are more expensive like gas valves or inducer motors… but blower might be the same cost if it’s the same ECM on the single stage version
a bit more - yes. but it really depends on the machine. for furnaces i think it is well worth it for the improved comfort.@@TheHVACDopeShow
I’m not clear on how home owners are more gentle on HVAC systems. Do renters drive their cars into them on a regular basis?
Just don’t install anything if it’s that risky.
Do you take better care of rental cars or cars you own? Don’t install anything? Idk don’t think that will fly with renters lol or anyone… getting a little extreme there. You just don’t have to buy your renters top of the line HVAC, what’s the point? If you had rental properties you wouldn’t be arguing that one lol
What I enjoyed here was being called “extreme” despite the video claiming an HVAC would be destroyed by a renter. No qualifiers, no context, just straight assertion. You seem to be wanting an Internet fight, which I will respectfully decline.
I’m just a guy who knows how to buy business insurance and roll those costs into a product, while offering something competitors might not.
“lol” indeed. Have a great day.
you talk alot about people useing solar with the dakin fit .is it ac/dc dual voltage or are you talking about useing solar with a inverter to change voltage to ac
There’s only one DC powered AC on the market I’ve heard of, and I know nothing about it. No it’s just tied into the electrical panel and your solar offsets your usage. You can do grid tie / battery backup, there’s infinite combinations but my “pitch” relates to offsetting electrical consumption so you aren’t subject to volatile energy prices
I recently had a heat pump installed. My heating costs quadrupled over what I payed for oil fired hot air heat in 2023.
That sounds like something is wrong. From what I’ve heard oil is expensive so it sounds like your heat pump isn’t actually running and your electric heat strips are kicking on which is probably why your bill is so high. If you posted the model number of the heat pump and your region or city/state I can tell you if it’s an issue with heat pump selection. But if you’re in a moderately cold climate most inverter heat pumps are not more to run, but a basic single stage might not keep up and will result in the backup electric running and driving up the bill. I’m sorry to hear about this!
Very good info but one thing you are leaving out is the expected life span of these heat pumps. In NE PA we have customers that are use to cast iron boilers with lifespans that exceed 50 years. Condensing boilers if run at lower temps have so far made it 20 years and I have a few that are even older although we have seen some miserable failures of some of the first ones. A/C units usually will give us 20 years of service here as well as gas furnaces and finally heat pumps usually only last 10 to 12 years if used for heating in our climate. Furnaces can go to 120k BTU and boilers exceeding 200k are commonplace but heat pumps only go to 60k which means many homes require two. Two high end heat pump systems that last 10 years definitely need the replacement cost figured in to the "cost" of operation. Monoblock systems seem to offer many advantages such as factory sealed refrigeration, simple PEX hydronics for floor heat and domestic, replacements can be installed with limited skill and also breakdowns that require opening the system can be performed in a heated shop and brought back to the home instead of trying to repair something in snow and freezing conditions. I have seen some of the CO2 units that can produce water over 150f. The monoblock system, because it is hydronic allows for multiple units tied into a single system if piped primary secondary including other boilers such as wood or fossil fuel as backup and redundancy.
Very good info and a thoughtful comment! Thanks for the response. Once we start installing and experimenting with more monobloc applications and configurations I’ll have more feedback. I definitely agree regionally it’s important to account for system age and longevity based on use case, we normally see a 20 year lifecycle in Colorado but shorter in Phoenix due to summer AC demands. Thanks for the input!
@@TheHVACDopeShow Correct me if I am wrong but I dont believe they have been able to use variable speed on scroll compressors. Even the large 5 ton inverters are using rotary compressors. It will be interesting to see how many hours these rotary compressors can go.
When will we see less expensive heatpumps?
Great question I haven’t seen prices go down a single year since I’ve been doing this so I doubt ever unfortunately. Maybe if we have a bad recession or something but prices seem pretty sticky all the way around in the construction sector
most renters really dont take care of any property they may be renting because it is not theirs to worry about
The heat pump is simply the REFRIGERATION process. Refrigeration can appear to be like magic, meaning, the efficiency can be 300% or more. The amount of energy pumped can be 3 or more times the amount of energy required to do the pumping. The magic takes place in the condenser unit. The compressor compresses the refrigerant gas into a hot gas (not a liquid). When this hot gas flows through the condenser cooling coils, it condenses into a liquid. This change of state from a gas to a liquid is where the magic is. If the condenser cooling coils are large enough, not even a cooling fan is necessary to achieve this change of state.
I live in an old drafty house its not airtight like newer homes even with the work done insulation etc its still 100 years old I have wood and oil dual furnaces also a new pellet stove ..Electric bill is not so bad and i had hvac come in one day and try ( TRY) to sell me three heat pumps lol man I laughed so hard Big house like this and still not air tight could not imagine giving up my wood furnace for anything other than that no way ..I would freeze to death I am 72 and dont want to end my life this soon lol
Haha yeah insulation goes a long way but if you like you’re current setup if it ain’t broke don’t fix it 😉
My heat pump stops producing heat at minus 29C
Nice!
almost sounds like he is a Daiken inverter dealer
aka "The DAIKIN FIT COMMERCIAL SHOW"
Nailed it
We pay $.45-50 here in Commiefornia. No thanks. I’ll keep my MasterCool I’ve had for 20 years.
Yikes that’s crazy electric rates but not surprising… in cali going solar definitely makes sense at those prices!
The IRA tax credits are refundable tax credits. As a result, the income requirements benefit the people with lower incomes the most. They’ll receive a tax refund for the entire amount of the tax credit, regardless of how much income tax they owe. It makes no sense to subsidize people who can afford to pay for the efficiency upgrades themselves.
Fundamental difference in opinion… tax breaks are all about the government incentivizing what it wants people to do. Ie bonus depreciation on Sprinter Vans incentivizes businesses to grow and create more jobs, same thing with all the real estate development and why real estate developers don’t pay taxes because there’s so many write offs legally. If they really wanted to make a difference they should be less political and drop their “tax the rich” nonsense and instead focusing on incentives that move money into the technologies they want people to invest in… the government never solves problems, only creates them, but if you want to trust the government to fix your problems good for you… I don’t lol
Agreed. We fundamentally disagree about subsidizing the rich and hoping it will help all of us. They'll continue hoarding their wealth at our expense.
As a european viewer your hype about new products is a littlebit funny... These units have been sold for years here in Europe, but I'm assuming your main viewing group is from states. Never the less great technology and should be used ALOT more. I have air-to-air heatpump from 2019 for heating in fall, winter and spring and cooling in summer and air-to-water heatpump installed last fall for underfloorheating + preheating my hot water before electric boiler.
Yeah Europeans always get the good stuff before us lol. I’m hoping we get an R290 air to water product in the future, would be great for homes with boilers and radiant floor heating. Daikin Altherma is coming to USA end of year allegedly.
This should not be named Heat Pumps in 2024. Instead call it how heat pumps work for dummies. Had to stop it and move on to a video that gets to the point of what is new in 2024.
Right on!
the word is coefficient , a math term.
I know I thought the same thing when I watched the video lol… that’s what I said through most of the video but a few times said coefficiency (which idk where that came from lol 🤷♂️)
I'd love to watch but not with all the over-editing!
I don't have ADHD.
The zooms in and out and the cuts drive me crazy.
I found the comment about not doing something because you will not get a return because you rent it really sad. If you are not willing to invest in your tenants then get out of the game.
Thanks for your perspective, are you a landlord? Just curious because if so you’re a rare breed, it often can be hard enough to convince them (owners) of the benefit of system replacement vs. repairing an old inefficient system, much less with a high efficiency. But if you’re a landlord and put high efficiency equipment in your property props to you!
A tenant can’t afford to pay for a high efficiency upgrade. Given the option of higher rent with high efficiency equipment or lower rent with lower efficiency, the tenant would pay the lower rent.
@@TheHVACDopeShow been a renter, home owner and landlord so I have seen all sides of the fence. We have a social conscience so we put in some money saving appliances and upgraded insulation to make it easier for our renter to pay their bills.
@@nestrodamus you just don’t care about people. Simple
There seems to be a lot of confusion between a tax "deduction" vs. a tax "credit". Let's say I quit working in 2023 and had no income and therefore no income taxes are due and I paid $0 in income tax. Now if I had purchased a qualifying heat pump for $6,000, I would have a $6,000 tax credit and uncle sam will send a $6,000 "refund" despite having paid no income tax for 2023. That's how a tax credit works.
Yes but not all credits are refundable and in this case my understanding is this one is not refundable as well.
1:45 Since when were air-source heat pumps 'revolutionary'? Those are standard heat-pumps fitted on millions of homes for many years, at least in Europe. I know air-air is more popular in the US, but these have been around a long time and are not 'revolutionary'!
I didn’t say air source heat pumps were revolutionary I said air to water would be as they come to the United States. I also said they’re not new lol they’re all over Europe, but since our channel is watched mostly by Yankees, well… they’re “revolutionary” to us. Currently can’t get R290 monobloc systems in the USA. But you can in Europe. I literally called ASHP “traditional”, and said the revolutionary products were air to water, and are available in Europe and have been for decades. You’re literally saying the exact same thing I say in the video lol
@CDopeShow 'Air source heat pump' in colloquial British English _means_ 'air to water heat pump'. (We call 'air source to air' heat pumps 'air-to-air' heat pumps). So yeah you did say air-to-water heat pumps were revolutionary at 1:45, which is what I was taking exception to. I agree that you did go on to clarify that they weren't actually some radical new thing (and have been used in Europe for years) later on in the vid, so fair enough - you do know what you are talking about really.
I should have watched all the way through before commenting, but I still think you'd have been better off (and certainly avoided my comment) if you'd led with 'these have been standard in Europe for decades, but they are not common here, and will make a huge difference' rather than 'this (new) thing is revouloutionary'. CZcams is always an international audience :-)
Anyway, thanks for making the video - I did learn some things about the US market, and you do clearly know what you are talking about, so I will look at some others.
Message to content creators: CZcams is available all over the world.
We’re aware but we don’t serve a global customer which is why our content is more geared towards the USA. HVAC in Europe, Asia, Africa, China, Australia and India - are all different, so it would be hard to cover the topic for all of them. Principles are the same but available tech, power supply varies, it’s just a lot of differences which is why we’re geared toward a specific niche of viewer, mostly in North America😁
Did AI write this script? All generalizations. C'mon ...
Newer videos are not scripted too time consuming, but the format of the videos is what people prefer
Very long
Wtf, this is hilarious. Air to water heatpumps and monobloc units have been around for years, “new this year”?
Also inverter is the standard around the rest of the planet, and you can buy a 15000btu(7kw) inverter heatpump for less than $1000usd…
Are you based in the USA or someplace else? I never said they were new products - I said they’re newer to the US market. Enertech and Taco have a product that’s been out for a few years in the US but R290 monobloc applications aren’t. Also I reference Daikin Altherma, that’s not available until Q4 of 2024 in the USA. So they’re newer to the USA like I said in the video. Nordic also makes some you can get in the USA but they’re not at distributors it’s still ordered from Nordic direct…
USA is pretty much last when it comes to heat pump technology. Mostly because it's such a corrupt/scammer industry. It's slowly starting to change with the DIY units. Supply houses and HVAC better address it soon. Already seeing ads on Facebook for HVAC guys freelancing due to slow business.
He is an HVAC contractor. They get good kickbacks for installing those outdated dinosaurs
@@TheHVACDopeShow You literally say 'i want to talk about some of the new technologies that are coming out in 2024' and - if you're going to lie blatently about something, maybe not doing on something thats literally a recording is a smart idea?
You literally don't mention the US for the entire first minute whilst talking about 'the new technologies that are coming out in 2024.
I've had inverter heatpumps for literally decades at this point.
You are correct however as for prices I went through the drill last fall here in MA for a whole house Cold Weather Heat Pump swapping out my Central A/c Unit. I needed 30,000. BTU. The problem is that MA has a 10K rebate and the HVAC Contractors ( 5 Quoted) between 19 K to 30K ‼️‼️Oh and 0% financing paid by Mass Save.
So I started doing more research on the Internet for zHVAC equipment sellers on on-line. Complete Mitsubishi Hyperheat, Daikin Fit and other Super High Efficiency Cold Climate brand offerings. Complete unit with line kit et al were between $6 to $7K shipped. They also gave me a few licensed installers in MA. I found two moo lighters who install om their days off who did the job for 5K. Net rebates it cost me nothing. Moral of the story in some markets it can be a ripoff because of Tax Credits, Rebates and 0% Financing for 19 years many are grossly overcharging because of the “ free money”.
I suggest anyone contemplating switching to get the quotes but price out the parts / system on the internet and then negotiate on the labor / overhead and profit margin. These units are like A/C units with a reversing valve, inverters have been around for a long time but you may be replacing it every 12 to 15 years unlike a fuel furnace. Don’t rush into this purchase because of climbing fuel prices alone. Do your homework, properly insulate your home and trust but verify. Also dual fuel means basically you have the cost of two systems. FOr the couple of -5 or worse days you can have electric heat strip modules installed in the unit. My quotes had those at $1500 and up but they cost $150 to s200 on the internet.
It was tough listening the incorrect use of words, and concepts, but when you moved on to suggesting crap products for "rentals", that was the line. Why dump huge energy bills on renters? Smart choices cost the same or less over their lifecycle. Why not make the home as efficient as possible and charge a bit higher rent, so that THE OWNERS essentially become the power company, and we save a bit of planet in the process, and all the other benefits of making a sane choice? Your mindset of crapping, or suggesting to crap, upon renters, and to be a lazy slumlord, pulls back the curtain of your ethos. Very, very sad to see this.
Single stage systems are more reliable it’s a matter of practicality for people that will only be there a year or two. Do what you want with your rental if you watch recent videos I’ve stated you can put in higher end equipment and like you said charge more for rent but I feel a responsibility to inform them that if it’s not well taken care of it breaks prematurely anyways then nothing about this “saves” the planet if you have to chuck the system early because it wasn’t taken care of. Do whatever you want lol not sure if you know this but this video is only suggestions, I can’t force you to do anything and we’ll happily install a high efficiency system in the rental. Your renters probably won’t want to pay more for it but you can try and like I said we’ll happily do it 🤗
Decent info but all those 'shocked face' thumbnails? Ugh. That's a CZcams gotcha technique for channels with no worthwhile content trying to drive traffic. Along with SECRETS! and 'what they don't want you to know'. But if it's working for you, all the best.
Lol yeah mr beast kind of did that to youtube… fortunately CZcams still favors watch time as the #1 metric so we always try to deliver on the promise of the thumbnail and not overly clickbait everything, its CZcams in 2024 🤷♂️
Too long man!
Why is he talking about? Waste of my tiempo
Agreed!
You are talking a lot but it doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe ask some questions if you’re confused?
Smart people help themselves. So try helping yourself if you want to be smarter
If you're above washington d.c. then don't bother.
I don’t necessarily agree, it really depends on outdoor ambient and how long and how cold…. Juneau Alaska is well north of DC but the ambient temps support heat pump operation year round. Either way thanks for the comment and chiming in!
They are fine for most the east coast, NJ is fine.
Wrong.
What a rhetorical comment.. perhaps you should do some research before making such remarks.. heat pump works in Calgary, Canada climate where temperature can get down to -40 C but not often.. -25 C is normal
I don't think you're capable of knowing how to find Calgary on this PLANET!!!!
Do you know the different between Washington DC vs Washington State????
@@Duc13Thai I am curious, what kind of COP do you get at -25C though?