So.... Jeff Jarrett LOST?... Dutch Mantell on Adam Page Beating Jarrett in Owen Hart Tournament
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The crowd booing after Page won says everything.
Tbf he was a heel ….
Page is a heel and AEW fans are remarkably entitled.
He isn’t cowboy sh1t
He is just sh1t
Go away heat. Heel or face.
Eff the crowd
Makes me think of British Bulldog dedicating a match to his cancer stricken sister then Shawn getting the win.
That made hbk a super heel. It worked
@Michael-tj5bk not really.
SMH
It was a UK only PPV though. Majority of their main audience never saw that sister dedication part. Not the same.
@@markula_4040 iirc, sister dedication was before the event and before he knew he was losing it.
They had a REAL shot at a fantastic storyline with Jeff Jarrett . So of Course they sink it at the first opportunity. AEW disappoints once again …
You can pretty much use your comment as a template for AEW in general since day one: "They had a real shot at a fantastic storyline with _____. So of course they sink it at the first opportunity."
My guess is that the there are a lot of unproductive negotiations along the lines of "yeah, you'll get beat like a drum but you'll get to give a speech" or "yeah, it's not a consistent angle but you get to all of your moves" or "yeah, you won't be in line for the World Title but we can make up a secondary (tertiary, really) title for you to carry and we can pretend that it's meaningful" or "yeah, we forgot that interesting story we had going but how about you get to wrestle a 62 year old Japanese legend and trade chops for 20 minutes?"
No one wants to hurt anyone's feelings by saying "no" to talent. And they don't want to offend their 250k hard core audience by denying them meaningless dream matches. And now they are shamelessly running the most sexist women's program since the worst of the Divas or the Knockouts eras... talk about losing the PLOT! TK has lost the book, the Spark Notes, and the VHS of the film version of the plot!
Looks like Jeff is gonne be a thorn in Hangmans side going foward. possibly costing him the match against Bryan and getting a match at All In Last Outlaw vs Hangman Bullrope Match
So AEW (Tony Khan and possibly the Young Bucks) managed to make Jeff Jarrett's heartfelt promo meaningless, much like this Owen Hart Foundation Tournament.
Pretty much. What’s worse was Jarrett was booked to lose to a guy that hasn’t been on TV for weeks and is a EVP.
That's what happens when the person booking books something sober and then forgets everything after getting high...
@@brandoni241 Is it me or is AEW the wealthy nephew of WCW, that never finished high school and learning the family trade by trial and a sh!t load of error and TNA Wrestling is the illegitimate son of WCW, without the family inheritance (lol)?
If there’s no pay off to the promo don’t let the wrestlers say whatever they want. It’s like the time Britt cut a babyface promo against Saraya right when she was brought in as a face for a lot of money. Tony’s biggest weakness as a booker is restraint. Have the instinct when not to say something is just as important as knowing what to say.
@@dngn4774 if this aired on WWE, you can bet your ass he would have been in the finals, otherwise, they wouldn't ask him to do it. Imo, it give fans one more reason not to believe in AEW, a two year old could have booked this
So dumb. They had a golden opportunity for an organic feel-good moment and botched it.
...
Eff your feel-good moments in the aye.
eff Page. He is just shite.
@@jefferyorton1723triggered much lately 😂
Same with Mark Briscoe after Jay’s death. Definitely had the potential to be AEW’s biggest face after something like that.
AEW dropping the ball in exchange for a friend of the Bucks?
Who could have guessed
Waiting for the reactions from Jim Cornette, Eric Bischoff, Vince Russo and Conrad Thompson to Jeff Jarrett losing to and being eliminated by a returning Adam "Hangman" Page, during the July 3, 2024 episode of AEW Dynamite, during the Owen Hart Foundation Tournament, a week after Jeff Jarrett gave what is arguably the best AEW promo, regarding his friendship with the late Owen Hart.
Conman will defend it and the rest will be brutal
@livetohuntandfish8700 These shows don't happen in a vacuum. If you go out to eat at a restaurant and the hors d'oeuvres are fantastic but the main course give you food poisoning, you aren't likely to remember those mozzarella sticks so fondly.
That being said... Vince Russo's opinion on the color of the sky is not to be trusted.
@livetohuntandfish8700 Jim Cornette doesnt bash anyone, he criticizes them and if he see's something he doesn't like, he will say it. And he is the best heel manager of all time so of course his gonna be a smartass and joke about some things to get people riled up, it gets people talking and he knows that because thats half of wrestling, which is crowd control. lol man literally CC's everyone and trends twitter for speaking.
I am gonna guess you're a Meltzer fan if you think AEW is fun and exciting to watch. lol
I think Jeff Jarrett vs Daniel Braynson should have been in the final
Daniel Braynson
This doesn't surprise me since we all saw how Tony treated Mark Brisco. Tony had Mark disappear then job when you did see him.
No disrespect to mark briscoe, he’s great, but jay was always the draw, mark was always the goofy sidekick, he’s the ROH champion, has he defended his belt? Or is he still playing goofy sidekick, just to someone else now.
Mark Brisco, and Brian Pillman Jr right after the Dark Side of the Ring episode about his father.
because TK has so much money it doesn't matter if he has a golden goose, he'll kill it.
Yes, to that extent he really is unique in the history of professional wrestling. He's a promoter who isn't motivated by money. 130 year of American pro wrestling, good, bad, indifferent, at least the promoters had a sense when they needed to make a change and try something new. And the talent wouldn't get paid and they'd move on (another indicator). But in a way, I hope the gravy train never loses steam. It's good for guys like Ricochet to have a place to go when WWE can't use them. Then can make really good money at AEW. Sadly, they won't develop much as a talent if they are new, but vets like Ricochet I think are savvy enough to navigate those waters. It's young talent like Swerve and Hobbs who are wasting time.
As soon as I saw Hangman I thought Jeff was doing the job,but then when they said there in Memphis next week I thought he was definitely going to at least make it till then and lose to Jay White,or maybe an eddy Guererro finish with a dq would have worked?
AEW's booking at it's finest. If Jeff wasn't going to at least make it ti the semi finals, he shouldn't have cut that promo.
Well aew fan’s alibi was jeff was to put adam page over. 😂
Well, thanks to Tony's booking, no one really gets over in that company. If they do it's short lived
AEW neckbeards would rip Vince if he booked this (and rightfully so), but TK always gets a pass.
Oh come on! You know damn well AEW fan's can't grow beards!
I’m an aew fan , who also has a beard, but I was absolutely not a fan of this, if your not gonna push Jarrett at least to the final then don’t let him cut that kind of promo, that’s the dumbest thing ever, as soon as Jarrett cut the promos I felt sick cause I knew he wasn’t going to win, actually kinda disrespectful to Owen hart in its own way.
@@davidfulton179 I’m a fan and I have a huge beard, your wife loves it.
The Road Dogg will join him for revenge. Lol
Jarrett is 57 years old. It makes sense why he lost but HOW he lost was stupid as hell.
I knew Jeff wasn't going over in this. It's almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. However, to play on what was said. If Jeff wasn't going to win the tournament, it would have been the perfect opportunity to work an angle out of it. Have him get screwed mid-match and it will segue into a feud. The man who promised to win the tournament named after his good friend, who dedicated his win to his late friend was robbed and is now out for revenge for having his chance stolen from him.
Dutch has a great memory and is a great story teller thanks again gentlemen.
No he doesn’t, and no he’s not, he’s as out of touch old man similar to Vince , a dinosaur from a long lost era.
why did jeff jarrett lost to hangnail
I have a weird feeling page is going to win it all,beat swerve and swerve the fans by joining the elite
The finals or semi-finals should have been Dustin and Double J. Two of the last men to have worked with Owen to really dedicate a moment in time to a great jokster and wrestler.
It was so stupid. They should have at least saved Jeff losing for the finals.
jarrett shouldn't be beating guys 30 years younger than him
@@extremeking425He's better than them.
@@extremeking425 It's not about if Jarrett should be beating people. It's that you got the people invested into Jarrett with his story. So you should let it get close to the conclusion of that story before you rip it away from him. Imagine the hangman match didn't happen right now and Jeff fights his way to the finals. His opponent in the finals has to drop out due to injury. Then Hangman comes back. Now you have this guy that didn't fight in the tournament at all going against Owen Hart's wrestling best friend. That's mega heat if Hangman beats Jarrett to a pulp despite Jarrett's best efforts and crushes his dream. You just made Hangman the number 1 bad guy in the company and you've raised Jarrett up too. Instead it all means nothing.
@@extremeking425I wish the Tyson fight hadn’t been delayed because I want to see him knock Jake Paul into kingdom come
What a waste of time that all was. Did Tony put Jarrett in that tournament because JJ was the ONLY thing in AEW that had ANYTHING to do with Owen?? Also what are the chances most youngins in that crowd even know who Owen is?
What if this is Young Bucks revenge on Jeff for TNA?
Does Tony Klown just obey the Chewbacca approach
If you were going to book Jeff to lose, they should’ve had Jay Lethal turn on him
Terrible booking by Tony Khan Jeff should have won the whole thing
Last year's tournament ended with a screwball finish. How does that honor the memory and foundation of Owen Hart?
Owen was the ultimate ribber... 😂
Think they're doing the opposite of what would make sense and going for the match nobody wants to ever see again - Page v Swerve - at their biggest show. Page will go over as a heel and all Tony's un-over, dead, meaningless friends can have titles and prominent parts of the show.
You're saying Hangman isn't over?
I watched that whole 10 minute promo and got hit in the feels all for nothing...thanks Tony 😢
If Jarrett was never going to win the tournament, and the winner was predetermined - why not sell tickets to Jarrett losing in the finals to get the bigger heat? Weird move when you're struggling to find characters or angles that viewers are actually interested in. Everyone except the winner is getting beat in some way, just another obvious opportunity to make money and grow interest, that gets fumbled. Its a similar situation to when Vince booked Austin to lose to Lesnar in the first round of a tournament. Austin walked out over it because its short-sighted to have that match and result when there's millions of dollars in potential future booking, by making that loss happen in another way.
The reason is Tony sucks at booking and planning.
That was an interview you pivot on, because money is now on the table.
You had Jarrett perfectly set up for a feeder match with the wild card pairing.
You pull the audible, and tell the better story.
You can still get where you want, while giving a feels good story.
What we saw was lazy booking from a mediocre and predictable booking team.
Awful, they had something to draw viewers n blew it immediately .. heaven forbid page lose 😒😒
They didn’t expect that Owen promo to get over the way it did & they didn’t shuffle up the booking over it. He was never going to beat Hangman. Maybe they’ll follow up on it & turn his losing into some kind of angle, but I doubt it.
Jeff should have won it just because of his friendship with Owen
So they get Double J and have him got best up, then have Adam Page a heel by the way do a face promo for whatever reason. That doesn't make any sense. Tony needs to hire someone before they go bye bye.
As i always said, Tony Khan is like a 10 year old who plays TEW for the first time, doesn't understand it, makes crap and cries at Adam Ryland for creating a bad game. Only, Khan does it in real life, wastes a lot of blood money his inbred daddy collected and shouts at wrestling fans for not understanding his vision or whatever.
If Jarrett suggested that, he'll probably be ousted out the door like Punk... It's too good of an angle for any of the brass there to understand 🤔
You could have an injury before a match, if the tournament isnt over, I'm not keeping up, and Jeff could be the replacement. That would get a nice pop
Another example of why AEW can bite me
Tony must have rode the short bus to school.
It was a short limo, because Shad was worried that Tony might get lost.
I thought Jeff would have made finals and lose there (due to the wembley title match stipulation). Didnt expect he would get eliminated in the 1st round by Page…ridiculous
Let's say Page beats Jay White, but during the July 10th Dynamite match build up, Page attacks Danielson and injures him, thus giving him a bye and the championship. But wait, Tony Khan and/or Bryan say not so fast, the fans in Calgary deserve a match and that opponent is...Double J....Jeff Jarrett. Who goes on to win the match perhaps with some help from outside or Page slips on the proverbial banana peel. The crowd goes wild, the home audience is satisfied, and Page is out for revenge. Just a thought.
Let's hope something like this gets booked because otherwise, and I defend AEW a lot, this decision after that promo is non sensical and quite frustrating
Jarrett should have gone over, period. Yall have issue with that but we watched Toru Yano take up a spot in the G1 for 20 years to beat someone with a schoolboy pin and never win the whole thing. And you looked forward to him doing it every year, knowing he'd never be pushed.
Jeff Jarrett had done the seemingly impossible and made himself one of the biggest babyfaces in the company. So much of the audience after his promo wanted to see him go on and win the tournament. Okay, even if he isn't going on to win, have him get the the final.
When I saw he was against a wildcard, I thought they might announce a week before the match that it was Dustin Rhodes. Let two guys who were on the road with Owen and worked with him go out and put on something different in the first round, with a classic Southern style match. Have him throw the guitar away when Sonjay Dutt or his wife try to hand it to him and say that he's going to do this the right way, get the clean win and shake hands with Dustin afterwards and cement himself as a babyface.
The Adam Page stuff could have been saved for another week, and another angle. Especially when he beats Jeff Jarrett by wrestling as a heel, and then acts like a babyface when the Young Bucks try to recruit him.
It's booking so schizophrenic that I thought I was watching a TNA show from the Vince Russo era.
Tony Khan is worse than the last fifteen years of Vince McMahon.
braindead.
"To get heat on HAnGmAn" 🙄
So at least give Jeff one win before you bury him flat.
You know they were going to take care of butterfly boy, he's one of their friends.
My reaction to AP in the tournament was: WTF is he doing there?
So winning against Jarrett…
The funniest part is everybody acting surprised by this 😂
exactly like im confused
I didn’t expect JJ to win the whole thing but ffs I didn’t think he’d be eliminated from the first round and barely acknowledged after his loss. At this point it’s almost deliberate to NOT give the fans what they want.
I’m pretty sure Jeff had input into his loss
Cm Punk + Jim Cornette proven correct
I can't even stomach AEW anymore...smh. I thought they would have done something with this.
They are setting up Hangman vs Swerve but Hangman will be the heel with help from The Elite and he wins the title at Wembley.
Agree. Wont work. Nobody cares. Will suck. So its nailed on, hangnailed on, if you will.
Page is a mid card guy. He was by far the worst AEW Champion.
I don’t wanna see Trashman jobber page anywhere near the title, should be setting up the ring
I didn't think he would win the tourney. I'm surprised he even participated in it.
Typical Tony K booking only an AEW booger eater would appreciate this
I was excited to see where it went
I figured since its for a "Shot at wembley" Jarrett wasnt winning, but atleast let him win one match in the bracket
Hangman has a baked in story with the Bucks and Omega, he already has had Swerves number
So we Had a awesome promo with 0 payoff 60% of which you couldnt air due to time restraints, then he loses to a guy who didnt need that as a return
And it kills the investment in the tournament from fans of owen hart who wanted to see one of his old friends have a go
Because of this, I hope Dynamite's ratings drop to 300,000.
It would be fine if they used that as a launching point to make Adam Page a super heel or something (he is naturally unlikeable) but I'm guessing that really isn't going to happen. They should have just had Jeff host the tournament and present the men's prize at the end with Owen's widow handling the female side.
How could they hold down a promising upstart like Jeff Jarrett? He's barely into his mid 50s; push him to the moon!
They could've at least let him win one match. Let the crowd believe he's gonna win it. Amateur booker man
I was like noooo wtf nooo
Tony is only interested in making a handful of guys appear competent or strong, regardless of physical appearance, charisma, or crowd reaction. It’s like watching McMahon’s booking late 2000s and on.
Tony Khan needs to start thinking the opposite way around.
Yeah, like George Costanza did on Seinfeld.
Jeff is senior citizen he can afford to lose a match🙄
TK's favorite Broke Back cowboy getting an undeserving push? Shocker 🙄
Did Jeff know the finish before the interview is the question?
Why did they have Jarret lose? Because AEW is booked by an amateur who just doesn't get it and obviously never will
Exactly why AEW is complete garbage putting Hang Nail Adam Paige over Jarrett is bonkers bad booking 101
Bad booking. And I'm not even a Jarrett fan. 😂😂😂
Same
Page is one of friends and Jeff isn’t. Simple. TK had a germ of an idea of what he wanted done and he doesn’t want to call an audible
Because JJ is old and hasn't been treated with respect since he joined AEW. He's a HOF talent with a great resume but Khan obviously doesn't respect that which is sad
This has as much to do with Tony always trying to have a big surprise angle. The fans have speculated for weeks that the open spot in the tournament would be Hangman, and the plan all along was for him to win to set up he and Swerve. Everything was already in motion, and you cant call an audible that late in the game. You see how that worked out with Wrestlemania this year, it became a shitsh...., wait, it worked out just fine. However, who do you replace Hangman with? Their only other options arent cleared to wrestle.
Tony should have watched, and squashed the video. If he didnt know that that was going to make JJ sympathetic with fans, he is a moron.
Jeff’s promo wasn’t the story. It was a tool to make Page look a lot more heelish.
I can’t believe this is going over peoples heads. Especially talking heads who were in the business.
Imagine hangman is about to beat swerve in Wembley and Jarrett gives him the guitar shot. Or in the finals against danielson. So many options for Jeff to screw hangman.
Daddy says sell
it's real simple. Jeff isn't selfish. (everyone else here has mental problems.
AEW is not the place for Jarrett’s sentimental tripe. Unless you’re willing to dive off of ladders, do a 450, and land on your opponent while he’s waiting 5 minutes for the setup. Yeah.
That’s how you “win”.
That’s what AEW is about. He should go back to TNA.
This proves Khan doesn’t know jack about booking. If you’re gonna have Jeff lose after a promo like that, have him lose to a heel atleast, not to a returning babyface 🤦♂️
TBF Hangman is a tweener, but your point still stands, I agree
They wasted a good feel moment that could got amazing moment for them & wasted it with Trashman page
Do not get me wrong, I wanted Jeff to win, but one of the only ways they were going to get the crowd to turn on Hangman immediately after his return was by beating Jeff Jarrett doing an Owen Hart tribute run, so I guess in that sense they succeeded
Aew doesn't get people over it gets people under. It's GO AWAY heat. Not I want to see this guy geat beat heat. 2 different things
I think jeff Jarrett was pretty good in the ring. But he has a face thats easy to hate.
Yea but all that was irrelevant after THAT promo
I'm going to start off saying but I'm not the biggest fan of Adam page I think he was too self loathing if he wants to make his comeback running through somebody that doesn't emotional speech but then dismissing them and moving on he doesn't owe Jeff any sort of follow-up
Pretty sure Dutch doesn’t actually watch wrestling, maybe catches the highlights on cultaholic or wrestlamia, he always seems like he has zero clue what happened
wahhhhh senior citizen jeff jarrett lost. wahhhhh. owen didnt even like him
Aew fans said jeff was putting over adam page anyway. I think jarrett doesn’t need a win these days because lets be real, not a fan of jeff because of the history of booking himself to become nwa/tna champ back in early to mid 2000s.
Oh and also Owen Hart tournament isnt a prestige and forgettable tournament anyway so why would we care about it anyway? Lmao!
Look man I’m a young fan of wrestling and not the biggest fan of Jarrett (watched TNA with him at the top 24/7 in like 2004-2006) but the fucking promo he delivered?? He should won this tournament. Such a waste
Fuck aew why not give the fans what we wanted give jeff the win
Makes no sense and a wasted opportunity
i didn't watch the interview he's have won
Because aew that’s why
AEW makes absolutely no sense at all.
There isn't any reason for JJ to go deep into the tournament, unless you plan on pushing him.
If that was the case . Why have Jeff cut the promo? It's like the 96 King of the Ring. Jake the Snake didn't win , but with his promos. It made people root for him until he lost to a then heel Steve Austin.
@@jjevans78the irony is Austin winning was supposed to solidify his heel status but fans loved it. That was the moment traditional heel and baby faces was over.
@jjevans78 it's just a promo. You guys are way overthinking a few segments out of what, 6 hours of weekly television? Maybe, they are planting the seeds of a face turn, in which case you will have been played like a prop guitar 🎸
INFINITESIMAL Dutch and lackey show
with AEW is just BS after BS
Jarrett has always sucked
This isca perfect example of tonys dogshit booking. The elite and their friends ALWAYS go over at the sake of the betternstory
This is just so wrong and disrespectful in every manner.
The first 2 years of this tournament have been embarassing to the memory of Owen. This will be no different. Idiot booker doing idiot things. Why invest 10 minutes of tv time for the JJ interview to be a throw away angle the next week. I didnt take the Hangman backstage segment as a babyface turn but a turn from comedy heel to serious heel.
Jeff Jarrett is a modern version of George Gulas. 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t think anyone expected JJ to win, especially after they announced the mystery opponent. That being said, Jarrett shouldn’t even have been in the tourney imo. He could’ve just cut that promo as a standalone segment 🤷♂️
Which would be pointless. If it's NOT FURTHERING A STORY DONT DO IT. it's wasted tv time. Which is why AEW IS FAILING
He should've lost in the finals to create a big heel. Adam Page is boring and he'll be a face in two months after TK goes on another coke binge...
What the hell do AEW fans see in that stupid fake cowboy?