Secret Bikes and SRAM's Collab Motor?? - SRAM Eagle Powertrain
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
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Take a look at the brand new SRAM / BROSE collaboration drive unit ebike motor and see some sneak peaks of some new bikes that will be sporting this drive unit in the coming weeks!
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00:00 Introduction
04:01 Auto Shift!
04:52 First Impressions
10:35 Tuning Powertrain
11:46 Brose Motor Improvements - Sport
I don’t like the way the response to the question about previous problems with Brose motors on Specialized bikes was kind of deflected because that’s an important topic everyone is curious about. My personal experience with Brose motor was so devastating (4 motors replaced) then I got a swap deal from them to the Levo SL, that makes impossible for me to trust Brose until they don’t completely assure the cause of the problem was solved. That’s the answer that any ex Brose owner want to hear. How it would work with the new auto shift technology integration will be a good thing to see.
Ya I have an 2023 Levo and the Brose motor feels different every time I ride it definitely some issues still not resolved and there saying sram but still a brose
the system has been ridden in E-EWS by the GasGas Team - accoudring to their driver, Johannes Fischbach, the motor worked flawless over the whole season
Curious to get one of these on the workbench 🤔
Exactly why I went Bosch race, with SRAM transmission
I think what eMTB riders need is something similar/identical to the newly released Pinion MGU solution - no more rear mech.
We're interested to see how the Pinion unit performs, but aside from the slightly exposed rear mech and extra unsprung mass, this system offers most of the same benefits.
@@TheLoamWolf I respectfully disagree as your comment suggests the extra unsprung mass and exposed rear mech is negligible. Whilst the issue of the extra mass and the benefits of lack thereof might not be felt by everybody, issues with the rear mech and how easy it is to get damaged, should not be marginalised.
I am not dissing this product, absolutely not, but at the same time I do not expect a behemoth like SRAM to cannibalise the rear mech as it is such a huge revenue generator.
After all what the masses want does not always go hand-in-hand what the corpo wants.
I won't buy another ebike without a gearbox and belt drive. This is nothing special, just software integration of an existing drivetrain and motor. I don't want auto shifting with a derailleur. Specialized has up to 5 easy to set modes instead of 2 with the same motor.
Unsprung mass is not computed like sprung mass. Multiply unsprung by at least 3. This value comes from Formula 1 racing tech. That cog set suddenly becomes significant in suspension performance.
they will never do that, as long as they can make more money out of a client by charging him more for derailleurs, casettes and chains. Ppl often don't understand that companies in this industry(and every other industry) are in to make money, not to make the best viable option and product for their clients. Their interest is in getting their boards richer, not creating better mtb components.
Maybe this wasn’t the video for it, but I would really like some direct comparisons to other motor’s power and characteristics.
Stay tuned for our eMTB shootout in the next couple months where we should have two SRAM motor-equipped bikes on test and will be sure to compare 🤘🏼
There’s one bike brand that I haven’t seen you guys review yet or at least in a while I haven’t gone back enough through your channel to know if you guys have done so but anyway I’m looking forward to seeing what your thoughts are on it when the time comes to check it out on both MTB and emtb
I have an auto shift igh on my cruiser Vado 5.0 and didn't think I would like it but after testing it I love it. Mountain biking is a whole different level though so it would have to work better. Wireless shifting is good enough on my top end Levo but nothing super special. I wonder though if Rob was aware that you can adjust how aggressively the auto shift changes gears and what setting he was in for that ? Noone mentioned that adjustment setting I have seen on other reviews.
Is it possible to use the system with only one controller pod? When using a wired seatpost for example?
I like the fact it only has 2 power modes on the fly, i never use more than 2 and obviously they can be tuned to your preference in the app so i dont see that as an issue.
The point where the bike was taken out of its comfort zone, downhill blast followed by quick stop and turn round, i thought that was a pointless test as who would do that?? maybe in a race if you missed your marker, but id still change gear manually and take the load off the bike with a quick spin of the cranks and your off. You would destroy any drivetrain doing what the tester did, it was a test and the bike coped remarkably well in my opinion. But i would still not do it it in any situation on any price tier drivetrain let alone one that will cost $$$$$. Looking forward to having a go on one of these systems.
Will Sram make a similar system for mid-power e-bikes?
Are there any bikes out with this full SRAM setup? Seems appealing to me.
There are just a handful right now: Transition Repeater Powertrain, GasGas ECC, Propain Ekano 2 has a SRAM option, and Nukeproof Megawatt Carbon RS. We may see more through out the year.
That Sram guy is kinda spooky 👀
What we need is acc ports for LED lights and xo1 tranamision be feed with battery motor not another external battery
they said there is a way to plug the derailleur into the the main battery so there may well be a way to do that although lights for the night time riding chew through battery so it may be as optimal as youre hoping.
Can this new SRAM/Brose motor be used with a mechanical drivetrain and dropper? I don't care for the autoshifts.
Wow looks really cool. Wireless motor controller!
It's pretty sleek.
nothing new though... Bosch has had one for over a year.
But better execution! At least to me eyes. And it also controls dropper post.
Couple issues: Why "Auto shift"? It is not something that will improve my riding, if anything it would be annoying.
Why only 2 modes, I like having more modes to change my riding style based on my time, distance, and who I am riding with.
Overall, this motor is very "sram" marketing at it's best, but overall improvement of existing proof of concept is nothing too amazing.
Bring on Pinion MGU
@7:33, @8:32 Thanks Rob for proving my point. haha.
Is this a brose on the nukeproof
We’re not allowed to talk about the bikes the SRAM system was mounted to, but all will be revealed on October 2nd.
it is probably the new megawatt or smth similar... looks identical with the Levo..., which isn't for the best, as it is bulky and big.
This is already disclosed on several other medias; Nukeproof, Transition and Propain bikes
Drink every time you hear "umm".
Wow the algorithm is really working today every MTB channel is demonstrating this new motor lol 😂
Pretty much!
Oh come on. It’s a Brose motor with sram written on it. And I’d say that’s brave from SRAM, given Brose reliability
The visual cleanliness of the cockpit is more than offset by the bulk and ugliness of the motor. These Brose units make Specialized bikes look pregnant 🙄
I wish there was a standard for MTB motor mounting points in the frame and the batteries, just like it's the case with all other components.
ATM the most promising new EMTB drive unit IMHO is Pinion and I am still a big fan of Fazua, which allows building relatively light EMTBs.
I like seeing Transition return to more vivid colours on their bikes 👍
Other than wireless shifters/controllers I didn't see anything new here, just copycat stuff with a SRAM logo on it...and those pods are NOT sleeker than most of the mode controllers out there.
This motor is not as quiet as my Bosch race, and doubt it will be as reliable either, Brose track record is poor
The only thing holding me back from buying a new SRAM based eMtb is the current belt-driven Brose motor. Yes it is a quiet motor but also has had its fair share of issues. If Brose had confidence in their motor, they would not be developing a complete redesign in the Brose Drive 3 (non-belt) motor, more aligned to the Bosch and Shimano motors. The new Brose motor is due to be released in 2024 and hopefully, SRAM will release a new powertrain based on the Drive 3 motor (48v, 410% assistance, and no belts), only then will I be parting with my reddies.
And you still have to worry about batteries in the derailleur and dropper. A big fail considering this setup.
The derailleur is wired into the system. You're right about the dropper, but they last pretty long at least.
You’re right, charging a battery is such a worry… 🤦🏼♂️
@@Mockle07 You mean charging your ebike battery, derailleur battery, seatpost battery is better than just the ebike battery? Don't forget your battery charger and a Micro-USB cable.
@@TheLoamWolf SRAM chimed in on another video and said you can use the ebike battery or the derailleur battery. Thx
@@netposerx None of that sounds difficult, especially considering that the mech and seat post batteries last for HOURS and as you have said, the mech can be powered by the main battery. It’s really no big deal is it?
Better to buy motor bikes! No more hassles sorry guys so many gadgets to juice .Manual first preference.
@7:30 such a fail on autoshift. I can save a few thousand buck and destroy my drivetrain on my own for free.
It does not have a gearbox so in that situation it's exactly the same as any other bike, it can't work miracles. In that scenario it will always be down to rider input with a mech based system.
looks big, bulky and ugly. looks like the cheap chinese copy of the unit you can find on Specialized bikes. It makes Bosch, Fazua and TQ look like premium stuff... like Mercedes, Audi and BMW compared with cheap chinese Renault copies. Better to avoid it...especially if it has the same belt problems as the unit on Levos. It also made the nuke megawatt look so much uglier than before.
Fazua and the tq are not in the same league as power goes not even close . Bosch and shimano rattle . Brose is quiet and you can replace parts unlike shimano you have to replace the whole motor. Yea it’s big and bulky but that’s because they turn the motor upright to fit a bigger battery .
@@jroase1658yet, they are not there yet because their focus was somewhere else but, don't you worry.. they are comming. Even for their SL motors, they are miles better, from integration and usability pov. Everyone I know with a Levo had problems.. everyone.
As for rattles, the new bosch on my friend pivot am does not have it.. so.., they fixed that. Bosch also have a much much better reliability and performance.. so, it is a win win.
750wh batteries on bosch systems and the bikes look perfectly nice.. not the bloated levo and, now, the nukeproof and transition...which look like they have some sort of disease down there.. morbid obesity or smth.
I have a 2019 LEVO, on my second motor. the first fail not from the belt, but from the sprag clutch bearing.
This is unwatchable
Ever you ever considered pronouncing it "shråm"? Sounds more like rom. Not so much Rome, if you catch my drift. I've seen a roman woman once. She was hot. I was on a beach, she was with her bf, and he didn't let me see her except her top. I was very uncomfortable for a good 20 minutes. She was NOT a zeus-worshiper. At all. Just so the fellows know. Not a sun worshipper either. Just a roman. In italy. that's it. ´Å Deus be all glory. Even hers. Amém.
Forget it, just say it like you want to.
SRAM needs to stay in its lane and let the other ebike motor companies do what they do best this is just being greedy at this point the market is becoming a big circus now
Where did the Code brakes touch you? 😂
what a stupid presentation of the auto shift at 7:21 - of course it can't see that there is a huge climp up ahead...because you break mid trail and just turn around and go back uphill ...
If you search you will always find something that doesn't suit you, even if in this case it is complete nonsense goes against all logic...