SRAM "Transmission" | Explained & Reviewed
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- SRAM's Eagle AXS drivetrains debuted wireless shifting in 2019. And for 2023, the new SRAM Eagle AXS Transmissions take things two steps further by removing the derailleur hanger and adjustment screws! Plus, it's designed to shift better the harder you pedal, which is just plain crazy.
In this video, Mike and Tor explain tons of new tech with SRAM's new T-Type components, show you a quick install guide, compare them to original Eagle AXS drivetrains, and then review them.
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0:00 - Intro
3:20 - New Tech
9:05 - Quick Install Guide
10:30 - More New Tech
13:13 - Review
18:50 - Summary
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Which new feature do you like the most? And which feature do you dislike the most?
My favorite feature is the packaging. AXS component boxes fill up the bin really fast, and we can't recycle them where I live.
What happens to frame in case of a really hard hit on the new derailleur ? will the frame possibly be damaged ?
UDH only..
Urgh
I like the idea of no adjustment derailleur. Set and forget is the dream. Too bad my drive train is almost new. Look forward to having this on my next bike.
The transmission will turn into a smartphone in the future, it will constantly annoy with its updates, now it is not, but in the future it will be exactly like that. The mechanics are excellent, electro poop.
I didnt think I‘d ever take a good advice from someone with a black eye! 😂
As long as you don't take his dating advice or fighting tips you should be fine
forget about the sram transmission what happened to his eye we need more detail about that
i do like all the new packaging less useless plastic waste
really appreciate the full detail review
You did better job running us through Transmission than all the other mountain bike media. Keep it up!
I've watched like 20 videos on this groupset. This is the best video I've seen on it so far. Good job, guys!
That’s because Mike is the man! Love that guy…
I was in the shop a couple months back and had the pleasure of meeting Mike. Been a big fan since I first started watching your videos when you had the van. You told me you’re looking into getting the sj evo, so good to see you landed on one!! Cheers Mike! Hope to stop in again sometime soon! 😃
I've watch so many videos about this, you guys made it the most fun and exciting!
Thank you so much for the kind words! We spent a ridiculous amount of time and energy to make this video as fun as possible since it's pretty freaking long due to the immense amount of new tech. I'm super happy you had a great time watching it 🙂
-Mike
Fully agree … best video ever over the whole Internet about this new product. Full of energy, fun a important details highlighted the way bikers want to see … THANKS GUYS.
@20:45….FINALLY, Sram is shipping in recyclable cardboard now.
Great summary of a cool product! Nice work guys!
The best new Sram T type reviews and explained it. Congratulations guys!!!
Well done. Tightest review. Great production quality.
Seriously solid review boys...cracked me up!
Got the XOon my new Pivot Firebird and yes it’s a game changer especially on the climbs and having the option of 2-3 or full walk when holding the Botton up or down shifting is cool 😎 also 👍
Going to hard going back to my other bikes and having to remember to shift before sharp pinches 😮
This is a really good video. Nice job!
Fing awesome video guys really well done and informative with great content!
Thanks Jason!! 😎
-Tor
Great review. Thank you!
Extremely impressive new design from SRAM which has solved many traditional issues all at once!
Not a single issue was solved. Or were you being sarcastic?
Great job. Mine just arrived for my Trek Rail and goes on next week. I can't wait
You'll be banging gears and cleaning tech climbs before you know it! Enjoy!
-Tor 😎
good fun review guys.
Thank you!!
-Tor
That punchy climb was innnnsane!
It's really cool that 2 of the crank sets build in chain guards
gotta love this system from sram, hopefully they can manage to make one as robust but pure mechanical, no batteries.
I don’t think this will be possible, because the adjustment and shifting under load probably depends heavily on the electronics.
I had a dream this happened last night… and I want it! :)
I’m just waiting for them to release a rainbow version of this cassette haha or other fun colors like on the “regular” eagle stuff. It’s only a matter of time!
With that being said, just ordered a transmission set from you guys for a new Nomad build and stoked to try it out! Even though I’m a little sad the raw aluminum color scheme won’t match my build quite as well 😋
Amazing engineering
Great video!
Thanks Mirko! 🫶
-Tor
The two bash guards is a good idea for those times you can only get a half crank between rocks on tech trails
Excellent video. Just wish we had some color options like the original axs.
Still waiting for the glow in the dark versions for night riding
-Tor
@@TheLostCo didn’t know I wanted something so badly until you said it
If you smash the derialleur its gonna affect to the chainstay frame axle because of dicert connection and same are take the damage because without RD hanger...your bike will be trash after the damage..rd hanger is safer for derailleur and frame if you accidentally crash and rd hanger can take the damage but easy to replace...
Yes sir.
speed+weight +gravity =$$$$
But the passive measures in place here are pretty amazing. It won’t be an issue for most riders. If you’re hucking your shit with reckless abandon in tough terrain, I think some people may have issue beyond replaceable parts
I was that spoilt kid on Christmas morning, unwrapped a new T-Type transmission. What a game changer.
Sick technology and a great video. Thanks, Mike. Proud of your success!
Correct me if I'm wrong but Shimano zee rear derailleur is the first one to do "full mount"
At 16:44 it looks like the chrome AXS logo plate on the controller pod is missing. I suppose it's held in place by weak glue and the plate fell off during test rides?
hooray for the frame bender 5000
with the shifting being dictated by software to match the chain with the narrow wide teeth on the cassette will there ever be a cable version? I like the new mechanical innovation but I don't think I'll ever put a battery needing component on my bike. I don't want to have an afternoon free to ride and find that I can't go because I forgot to charge my shifter battery. I want the reliability of cables.
Can we use the existing AXS controller if we have the original axs system saving 150-200 bucks?
Any update on the coating of that xo cassette? Looks like the new xx has done away with that, but the coating my xo1 cassette wore off on the first few rides. Wondering if the same would happen on this new stuff!
Hey Caleb! I've been hammering on the new X0 cassette for a while and haven't noticed any discoloration. I was on the GX 10-52 cassette before this and DEFINITELY noticed the coating wearing away, but I've also got lots more miles on that setup. Hard to say for the long term but so far this cassette looks brand new after a month!
-Tor
I like the no hanger but I don't like the absence of back compatibility with prior Eagle drivetrains. However within a year I'll likely have it and the latest Rockshok Pike Suspension.
great informative video. this will put new life into my giant trance 1, once the current system dies. I hate batteries but it seems they last a long time. What happens if you are on the trail and the battery dies?
The battery is charging very quickly. 15 minutes charge before you left home will be enough for whole day definitely 👍🏻
Sounds great, the only issue I can see is if the derailleur gets caught on something your frame is going to take all of that force which could crack the carbon, damage linkage, linkage bearings etc. Very slick though.
According to several product listings X0 should have the Magic Wheel as well.
It's nice of course, but rarely a stick or something else gets caught inside that wheel and Magic Wheel imo has no effect on a stick getting caught between chain and wheel.
Can I still use my thru axle with a handle to easily remove/put-back-on the rear wheel, or do I now need a wrench to remove/put-back-on the rear wheel? And if I need a wrench to remove/put-back-on the rear wheel, must it be a torque wrench?
What’s the comparison on xx1 vs the XO? Do you notice the lightness with the lighter one?
Hell yeah Red Demon!!!
I like the continuous chain/cassette engagement and the hardened tool steel X-dome of the XX T-Type. What I don't like is the higher pricing in Canada even when allowing for the currency exchange.
@PeakTorque did a video laying out some of the serious drawbacks to this system.
0:00 Who's talking, you or he? 😆
Hi, question. is it still worth buying the old gx axs?
Would it not look sick on a steel full-suspension?
Time to weld up a new rear UDH compatible rear end for my mountain bike.
More information on how this technology works with E bikes, would be greatly appreciated. Most rear wheel hub drives can’t take a 12 speed cassette. Are there going to be transmissions compatible with bikes that take less than 12 speed?
E-bikes are the reason this was developed. To better handle motor torque. Is shifting under load really that bike of a problem on mountain bikes?
Hey Lawrence! Sram is pretty committed to their XD driver so if you can find a rear drive hub with the XD driver on it then you're in luck! But I wouldn't expect any transmissions with less than 12 speeds to be coming out any time soon!
-Tor
The real question is: does the AXS battery charger finally have USB-C?
It's the same charger and battery as before! So still micro USB like before!
-Tor
💯AWESOME! 💯
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I want to see a weight comparison vs the out going groups
We've got a blog post comparing all of the weights on our website! Go check it out!
-Tor
Dang it... I just barely got good at indexing gears and setting limit screws. ☹
Hey Mike is was wondering which bike you ride nowadays. I remember that you kept riding the old Spartan for a long time. Is the Stumpy Evo your new do everything machine?
Yo Ryan! I mentioned at 18:32 that I literally HAD to build the Stumpy to test out the new Transmission since my Spartan isn't a UDH frame, which is a con of this new stuff. However, I'm definitely still keeping the Spartan as I seriously just love this thing. But the Stumpy is also fast as hell and super fun, and I'm excited to just test more products in this bike since SO MANY of our customers have the Stumpy Evo.
-Mike
I enjoyed the video~
I have one question for you.
Can I replace my current xx1 derailleur with the xx t-type of this product?
I want to just use the remaining chain, sprockets and crank as a group from xx1 and just replace the derailleur!
You can not. As mentioned in this video, every T-Type component is built around each other. So you need to use them all together.
-Mike
고마워요! 잘알겠습니다^__^"
Is it possible to use an Absolute Black Oval chainring with this?
Best video
What’s the special incompatibility with existing cranks? Seems if you have a 55mm chain line MTB Wide they would work properly.
It must be the chainring, but yeah, seems like there should be aftermarket chainrings that would allow use of an existing crankset.
@@GHinWI I read that the only difference with chain was the plate thickness (and flat top). If that’s true and the internal width and pitch remain same it makes no sense?
@@connriverdesign6708 : there could be small differences in chamfers on the inside that haven’t been made public. IDK
@@GHinWI I ordered a chain… the narrow plates have a smaller interior width and don’t easily slide on/off the existing chainrings… such a bummer.
And then there is the new cassette driver that’s need or new hub and if you don’t run SRAM already. Tack that onto the $2000. And possibly the new rear triangle etc etc. Is it really cost effective ❓
Best breakdown on CZcams yet.
Thanks Sean!
-Tor
I thought the reason for the derailleur hanger was that when I buy a complete bike with sram, I can tear off the crappy drivetrain and replace it with Shimano…
They would probably give you a hangar for your bike to take when you purchase it for a small fee :)
Wondering, whether you expect that 3rd parties will be producing compatible chainrings in oval shape. Because if they would, then do you think those newly compatible could possibly be compatible with older X01/XX1 cranks ?
I really hope they do! When we talk about the "cons" in the review section of this video, I mention that I really want an oval option. I'd say let's wait about 60 days until expecting any 3rd party chainrings compatible with T-Type chains and various forms of crank mount interfaces.
-Mike
@@TheLostCo Looks like Absolute Black has T compatible oval chain rings. Wolf Tooth has them, too, but they don't appear to offer a 30T or 28T option.
Wolftooth has them now. Just ordered one for my x01 eagle carbon cranks. Going gx transmission, xo cassette, wolf tooth chainring, and gx T-type chain. I’ll upgrade the chain to shave weight once more colors come out.
Is the charger 2.1 rc same as the 2.1 rc2 but eihtout the secong compression dial
All this innovative tech and I'm still stuck with a wired system 😂 only thing I'm kinda worried is how parts are *probably required to use new tools to remove meaning I will need another proprietary tool to remove something. I'm just guessing I'm not sure but I hope that's not the case.
They remind me of that back tattoo scene in "Dude, where's my car" .
If the derailleur hanger is gone then what is going to save the frame?
SRAM said: you'll get paid if you don't touch this subject.
The bank account😅
There's a lot of MTB tech that excites when announced but quickly fades into obscurity. This looks like a product that will last, however. Personally, I'm still holding out for better, lighter gearbox transmissions.
Whats with that stumpy in the back ground? Just a previous model year with Rockshox all over it or is this something new?
That's just my new Stumpjumper EVO that I built up for the new AXS Transmission. I mention more about this at 18:27
-Mike
Lost CO, may have best custy service ever.
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Does this mean that the whole force will go into the carbon frame? Because earlier, you had hanger due to not to bend, destroy rear mech and/or frame - what about now? Will it just pass the force directly to the frame, I guess?
Looking at how it is designed, it looks like the force will be shared between the frame, hub, and axle which is exactly what happens when you get an impact to your wheel.
Yeah in this video they claim the reason for hangers was to protect the derailleur but really it was to make sure your bike wasn't a write off every time you crashed. To me hangers are even more important on fragile carbon frames that love to crack. I suspect sram figures anyone who can afford this drivetrain can afford a new frame whenever it breaks. I would be worried about this becoming the standard in the future
The force goes to the axle. It’s integral to the structure of the bike. Keeps everything safer.
Wtf 😅! Sram is everywhere. Bunch of the channels have the review of this transmission
Haha yep that's always how new product launches work since there is a set embargo date and time.
Saw this on moi moi's bike and was waiting to find out what it was, Love the look of it but Holy, that's a lot of coin to drop 😢 hope one day it gets a bit cheaper.
For sure! Luckily it's cheaper than previous AXS at least 🤘
-Mike
Is it possible bike companies will start releasing chain stays with udh mounts for current model bikes that are not udh?
I see this as very unlikely since most company’s would like to sell you a bike. Re tooling a old frame mold or jig would be expensive and most likely not profitable for them
I'm sorry I laughed so hard while watching this. I felt like I was watching an infomercial.
We're just doing our best Billy Mays impressions up there, maybe we need a little more caffeine to really sell it next time 🤔
-Tor
Umm, you WERE watching an infomercial…did you think this was a review? Haha
What happens to the thru axle?
I kinda just want that sticker pack now.
Love the video! I am really excited, I call adjusting the derailleur more of an art, an art I truly DO NOT appreciate. Losing the adjustment is a game changer.
Art has its place and that place is NOT on the underside of my chainstay!
-Tor
It's the next big thing. Go buy it!
Always Football….down with this soccer stuff!
I've gotten Sram XO1 on all my new bikes since 2011, they have always shifted under load, lighter, easy enough to adjust, simpler is better for me, I'll keep my XO1 stuff on my sub 22 pound Epic EVO, weight is something that matters when your climbing up hill after hill in your late 70's, you can have all the Green Tricknology.. Happy Trails ;) !!!
impossible in non udh frame or maybe with some adapter ?
The T-Type stuff will NOT work on any frame that is not UDH, because the frame itself MUST be the exact spec and tolerances as the UDH design for the derailleur to mount on it.
-Mike
Does saiguan make a cheapcopy ????
Will there be a cable version too ?
Yes they are about to release the wireless cable version soon
No word from SRAM yet! But I hope there's one somewhere in the pipeline 🤞
-Tor
I love how it's not compatible with... basically anything. Real smart. 😆
Whats the chance sram makes a oilslick chain and cassette for this new gen?
We'll be first in line if they do!
-Tor 😎
Amazing system. Too bad only the chain and controller are the only components backwards compatible with existing AXS. Owners of bike frames without UDH can only salivate. The alloy cranks look fire!
Only controler 🙂
Sounds like the next bike has to be UDH! And those X0 cranks have no right to look that good 🥵
-Tor
Pretty sure they said chainring and crankset are backwards compatible but not the chain.
@@dylan-5287 the chain is not backwards compatible, the inner plates are narrower and lock up on the old chainrings. I tried.
The chainRING is also backwards compatible. Although not much help haha
Can you guys also compare the new TRP stuff to Sram's and Shimano's?
For us poor ppl.
If we can get our hands on one of those new TRP 12 speed drivetrains we would love to! Maybe have a cable drivetrain shootout?? 🤔
-Tor
So when you do smash it and it is made to take that much force, what is the next weakest link to bend? Chainstay? Ouch..
No,the wallet,plus I’ll bet replacing parts are more $$$ than whole thing
When something is going to give, what do you choose? Frame or hanger since there is no derailleur anymore… And yes given enough force something is going to give…
The new cranks are DUB WIDE. does that mean they only fit bikes with 55mm chainline? That’s in between boost and super boost. What the? I’m confused.
The new DUB Wide cranks fit on both Boost AND SuperBoost, they just use different spacers to put the chainring in the right spot. It's pretty sweet that we don't have different cranks for different hub spacings, fewer standards is better!
-Tor
@@TheLostCo Great video guys.... but these crank spacers are a bit confusing as they don't come with the new group sets and no one seems to be mentioning that you need them to install the cranks in any of the new videos. There also doesn't seem to be much info of how the new 55mm chain line will work with HP idler bikes like the Norco Range. Have you heard anything about that? Cheers
Do y'all think this will work with a current gen chainring? I'm wondering if I could potentially put this on my RMAP, it does have the UDH option.
Also, does the cassette still use an XD driver?
Thanks for the comment! You'll need the T-Type cranks which use a new 8 bolt chainring pattern so you'll need to get the new chainring as well. And as of right now they're only being sold as complete kits so you've got to buy all the parts at once!
And yes! The cassette uses the same XD Driver as previous eagle cassettes!
-Tor
If you want a different chain ring size I’m sure companies like wolf tooth have chain rings that’ll work with new t-type
"Full contact soccer" LMAO.
Eagle xx1 12 shifts better when you dump the xx1 chain and replace with a YBN
The system seems impressive, for the price it should be, although the weakest point in the system will always break first. Before the weakest point was the derailleur hanger that cost change to replace.
Now to me it seems like the weakest point of the system would be the pulleys cage, I wonder if the cost of the cage is lower/same/higher than the trusty hanger...
Probably higher...it's the how to pull money from a product that's already been sold...time will tell✌
This is going on my dream build, will i ever actually build my dream bike is the question
Hahaha! I know now that I will go sooo muuuuuch faster going up hill with this derailleur 😂😂😂😂
By the way, stop going to the bars and don’t drink amigo!
They couldn’t wait a week for my dogs eye to heal up lol
what happend to tor's eye?
The need for batteries is a total deal breaker, IMO, as it is for earlier AXS groups.
“A full contact soccer game” 🤔
Thanks for the comment! Yes the T-Type cassettes still use the same XD driver as previous Eagle, and you'll need the new T-Type chainring to use this transmission because it's the only option that mounts to the 55mm chain line T-Type cranks. 😎
-Tor