69 Camaro Garnet Red Crashed but not Dead Z/28 Restoration - Part 3 - Damage Assessment
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- This is NOT part of the Le Mans Blue Z/28 also being restored on this channel. Please see my Channel for the Playlist.
This video features the Initial Damage Assessment of the "Crashed but not Dead" Garnet Red 69 Camaro Z/28.
This series features a second 69 Z/28 restoration. This is not part of the Le Mans Blue Z/28 being restored on this same channel.
These Video series are produced & presented by Peter Rose, digitalpizza.com on the Frame off Restoration Process of classic Japanese motorcycles and classic American muscle cars including Honda CB 750, Honda CBX, CB1100F, CB900F and 1967 thru 1969 Camaro Z/28 & SS Cars - Auta a dopravní prostředky
THANK YOU...for sharing. If this red "Z" turns out as nice as that blue "Z" then my friend you did one fantastic job because that blue "Z" is just beautiful!
Yeah! So glad you are back. I have been wondering where you were. Really looking forward to this build. I love your video format by the way.
Looking forward to watching this car coming back to life. Good information on each process without any unnecessary BS. Thumbs up.
The Blue Camaro looks beautiful, looks like it will have a red twin soon. Thanks for doing these videos
Great, I was looking for this earlier today. Amazing work being done for sure.
you guys are doing an amazing job on the red Z , looking forward to seeing the progress.... keep going
Thank you sir for not giving up on her. I've always wanted a 69 camaro since I was 4 years old, this means there's one more out there if I ever get the money. Very noble of you.
People want wayyyy to much money for a 69 camaro. I’ve owned mine for about 18 years. I gave 4200 for it and drove it 3 hours home. Can’t buy a rotted body for that now.
I am surprised how much big projects you have at the same time. You don’t have time to sleep anymore. Can’t wait to see the next video
thanks for the update on the red car looking forward to seeing you pull that twisted mess back into a car.
Thank you I'm ready to see the red car come apart and get put back together
Great to see someone rebuilding and restoring the cars rather stripping them and junking the rest.another one saved for the road ahead.Thank you.
Thanks for the update. Looking forward to seeing that red Camaro getting pulled. No confusion here old mate.
This should have been pulled out as much as possible Before any cuts were made
Yes, I am aware of that which is why we are re- assessing it before we move forward
dito!!!
I agree should have pulled it before taking it apart . Could have saved a lot more original parts such as sub frame pass fender exc
@@TheYardlet I think they can still get it straight, but making sure that the roof and pillars are dead-nuts will be imperative, especially when it comes time to install the window and back glass. I'd think you'd want a completely different front clip and set of doors (along with new glass) to do the final body shell alignment, even if you intend to reuse that original passenger door. But I agree on pulling before cutting, since that's what I see on body shop videos.
play hell fittin a wlndshield in it
Glad to hear you’re going to pull the drivers side. It will make further disassembly easier. Keep up the great work.
Good to see you back! Keep up with the good content!
Yeah I started with vid #1-#2 than You tube brings you to the blue car #3 next..I figured it out pretty quick it was a screw up and a different car..which came out awesome..watching both videos series is eye opening on the amount of work it takes to perfect 50+ year old muscle cars..the amount of money has to be staggering to build this cars..thank you for the vids..keep em coming..👍
Great new episode on saving the camaro
Love the videos ,also LOVE the blue car. Red one should be killer when it's done too. Keep up the good work, thanks!
I'm glad you're saving it.at one time it would have been parted out.
Thank you for trying to save the red Camaro...but that blue Z28 with the white stripes..love that combo!
Thank you 😊 for sharing ☺️
My hat's off to ya!! I've repaired a couple of heeps that were wrecked that bad ...... and it's TOUGH to get 'em back to "square one". That being said - I'd much rather repair one that's been whacked like that than one that's rusted to a fare-thee-well!! I suspect that you are gonna find a LOT of stress in that body shell as you cut away the damaged tin ..... I had an E-Type tub on a frame rack for a week, tweakin' and bendin' to get it right after an EXTENSIVE repair .... Good thing these cars are worth the effort! I can't wait to see the progress as you go along. I'm gonna look for the blue car videos now.
I like that you're saving as much of the original as possible. I probably would have took the lazy road and just got a complete assembled steel body shell like the ones Camaro Central sells.
I had a Garnet Red 69 Z-28 back in 1971-1972. It did have a black vinyl roof and red interior . So this will be an amazing rebuild for me. !! I had a lot of fun with that car back in the day.
Wow, I also had a Garnet red Z/28 RS with a Black vinyl top, and red interior. My car had a flat hood.
Great follow up cause youtube went from the first red 69 video to the blue 69 restore,I can't find the second red 69 video.love the show thanks for ur time
Crazy, in June/July I was playing w/68 ( former Philly street race car, early/mid 80's) that was hit exactly the same way.
Was sold on eBay and went to Arizona ( legend has it.)
I forget that in the US parts for these older generation vehicles is not an issue and competitively priced i.e. affordable ! I am genuinely surprised at the availability of so many items. I would loved to have got my hands on this before you started. For me , preserving as much of the original panel work , without compromising the repair, would have been my top priority. l actually thought you would be repairing the panelwork yourselves and didn't realise you would have to bring in specialists. Sadly l can' t just hop on a plane and fly over from England ! I was aware of the 2 cars so don't know where the confusion is ! Look forward to the next instalment. Thanks for sharing .
very happy to see your videos again!! worry about something happens to you,always waiting for cbx next video
Thanks Federico, CBX coming this week
Hey, don't you love everyones input. I am sure it is a success. I had a tree fall on my old gmc pickup. You and your approach give me some hope. Thank you.
Thanks Chris, well, you know what they say, opinions are like ass holes....everyone has one 😎
I restored a 70 Chevelle SS. When i took it apart the windshield, fenders and doors fit properly. The drivers side vent box was previously damaged, and repaired (I could see where metal work had been done). After paint, I went to install the windshield, only to find that the windshield had a 2" space on the lower windshield corner. So I talked to a glass guy, and he suggested that I weigh that corner down and leave it in the sun for a week or two. After two weeks I took the weight off, and the glass had conformed to the opening.
Love your buildes
What's on the minds? There is no confusion in my mind between the blue and red, they are 2 different camaro's. Thank you for taking on the repairs of the red one.
Just like your red Z28 I had a Cortex Silver Z28 with Tuxedo Black stripes and custom interior. It was hit broadside in march of 1969 very much like your red one. It was repaired as well by one of the best body shops in my area. But sadly I sold it and moved on, it was hit just a tad too much for me. By the way you do excellent work your cars are outstanding.
Keep up the good work, I feel for you with all the non constructive comments. I can see were you are going with this build. I have had my hand in doing many cars, including the 58 Impala Convertible used in the movie Peggy Sue Got Married.
Thank you
My brother in law owns a 69 SS 396 Camaro complete with original motor, but he hasn't driven it in over 30 years. I keep pushing him to get it back on the road but so far it just sits in his shop. I'll have to show him this video.
The sub frame is NO big deal. Its mild steel and especially off the car and striped down is a piece of cake. Secure the right side frame rail on the frame rack. You will be amazed at how easily that thing un bends.LOL The sub frame by itself will go back into shape very easy. when it gets close check for datim height and tram and also make sure the width is right where the upper shocks mount to the sub frame. If the shock mounts are spaced correctly then the engine cradle will be fine and the motor mounts will line up correctly. Half day on front sub frame and ready to dip or sand blast.
Love "Steal Your Face" nice touch for a shop
looking good
Awesome
The blue Z/28 is very nice and blue is my color, but I'm very interested in watching how you but the red Z/28 back together. I know that the blue Z/28 will be really really nice when you are done. I really love to see the difficult jobs, the ones that people say can't be done and the car should be used for parts, made beautiful again.
This car must live now forever !!!
Great video, don't bother with the haters.
Just do you
That baby got creamed! I'm glad your gonna save her. Cheers!
I can't even begin to think what this resto will cost!!!
it's cheaper to send the kids to college...for a change....
Watched the other videos, had no idea another VIN was under the blower motor heater assembly, is it like that on A body cars?
I have a 72 GTO that I did a "back yard" frame off, like to know where all the VINs are stamped.
Hi Soldier, yes, should be the same on your GTO 😎
Also on the frame on a body cars. Top of frame rail, back where the gas tank is located. Can't remember if it's driver or passenger side.
@@IronChief drivers side top of frame, use a mirror to see if body is still on frame
Who cares what people think? you don't have to prove anything to anyone. Nice work.
Thanks Steve :)
I’m very interested in watching this car come together. It’s going to be a big challenge, likely more than anybody realizes !!!
Ive done some rough cars but this is nuts.
It’s doable, most of the car will be replaced, no longer will it be an “original” z28.
I can’t imagine who in their right mind would fund a build like this as far as paying a shop to build a car that has so few original parts on it.
If it’s a sentimental thing or just a challenge to conquer I guess that’s fine.
For a paying customer it’s a terrible financial decision.
Do I think it can be rebuilt and be a sweet car ??? Yes.
Does it make sense????
This is nothing - check out Arthur Tussik
Also love the CBX
I'm anxious to see what will be going on in part 4. When will it be released?
Its not youtube....its just people being stupid and not paying attention. Its a fact that people just dont want other people being happy...or being happy themselves which makes no sense to me. Being unhappy just takes so much effort to do...why be that way ill never know. For some of us that absolutely knew that you had two separate cars....keep the vids coming. I love to watch folks put old cars back together to save them. These young kids out here have no idea the real cars they missed out on. Great work pizza.
Another few questions: Do you know the history of the red car at all? (i think you mentioned already you didnt) :) When did it get wreaked.....was the driver okay?
Its only been a couple days since I found your channel, and Yes. CZcams is recommending the videos in a weird order.
Part 1 was ....well part 1
Part two was the tear down
Part 3 was a gray primered car without the damage, and just a small bit of blue showing.
It was very confusing and so I looked at how old the videos were and figured out its two cars.
I have tried to clear it up by revising the titles etc and responding with clarity. That’s all I can do
Same here when I watched....part 2 went to part 3 blue....minor confusion and quickly realized it was a diff play list.
It will make your work much more straight forward by have the blue car on hand as you fab up the red car.
Looking forward to more content on this car. The subframe didn’t look all that bad, does it need to be replaced? I would try to preserve as much of the original car as possible.
Hi Rick
Yes, I agree but the drivers side leg is bent over 6 or 8 inches and it’s actually crushed in at the point of the impact. So unfortunately it’s toast I think 🤔
@@digitalpizza1 yes, I believe you are right. It was hard to tell from the video, but you are correct. If it is that far bent and crushed, probably safer to replace.
I've own in the past three 1969 Camaro's at one time that I wished I would have kept them all when they were worth very little at the time who has the best thickest stock replacement parts? Back in 2000 I bought a 69 door shell and trunk pan and they were too thin so I just sold the whole car after installing the parts.
I hope you will save the portion of the firewall that has the VIN number on it.
Yes, that portion will be left as is
I’m not a bodyman nor a restoration specialist but would i be wrong in assuming that the cost to fix that red car will far exceed the appraisal value when completed??? Just wondering cuz I know anything is fixable but that car really mangled
Actually, there are many many cars out there that have never been crashed, that have had most of their body panels replaced due to rust. So this car will really be no different than those when it is finished. At the end of the day it is always better to have an original car rather than a re-bodied car.
When I was watchin on red one and got to part 3 it showed blue care....YOU TUBE screwed it up!!!!
Hi big, yes, I figured that. That’s why I went in and I changed the titles and descriptions, but apparently it hasn’t worked and that’s all I can do.
People the only red and blue is the stupid grateful dead skull on the back wall. 2 camaros.dont confuse the owner.these camaro vids are great
lol 😂 good call there Andrew
Question. When can I have a ride?
never noticed how wrong the rear stripe separation looks compared to the front on these cars until looking at that blue car
In all of this I am wondering just how much of what has been identified as a numbers matching original vehicle can be removed and replaced with new components before it loses its "original" status? Given the nature and extent of the damage being described, I can see where replace would be preferable to repair and, understandably, the aftermarket can be cheaper than chasing genuine NOS panels which are about as plentiful as ice in the Sahara Desert and about as expensive if/when found. Still, would it be more in keeping with the relative rarity of the vehicle if the needed components came from same year/same base model vehicles currently resident in salvage yards? Somewhere like Desert Valley in Arizona?? where the rust factor does not play as large a role in the useability of the part? The reason I bring this all up at all is if this vehicle ever appears on the auction block then part of its provenance will have to be the fact that it has had significant repair work done to it which, in turn, raises the issue of just how original it can be said to be.
Hi C W
Yes I agree with you which is why we are going to keep as much of the original sheet metal as possible. We have OEM fenders, OEM drivers door and we are probably going to keep the original quarters and just fix the rust.
So I think at the end of the day most of the car is going to be original GM sheet metal. I do know there are a lot of cars out there that have had a lot more panels replaced than this one will. Also, we are probably going to only replace the portion of the floor board with the damaged area only. That is true with the trunk pan as well. Only the outer edges of the trunk pan need to be replaced.
Nice watching the progression. Love the Dead "Steal Your Face" flag! I'm sure those tunes help with the inspiration.
Thanks for saving these beauties. Where is this body shop and name? I’m looking for a competent shop.
In San Rafael California near San Francisco
@@digitalpizza1 , no way! I’m in Oakland! Can you pass on the shop name?
Hi Jose, Call me at 415-272-8133 and I can give you some info on the shop. Thanks, Pete
Look forward to seeing it resurrected
"Steal Your Face" on a hood hanging on the wall @ 4:02.....
My kinda bodyshop..👍👍👍
Not sure why you would concern yourself with comments the general population would make regarding your restorations. There is no shortage of idiots out there making accusations about things they know nothing about. Keep up the great work!
Thank you Jim, I really appreciate it. My skin is getting thicker. :)
Blue car is beautiful, but what is going on with the driver side fender to door gap?
The door does not have its weatherstripping in yet. So the door is not aligned or assembled fully yet.
@@digitalpizza1 can’t wait to see your progress on this red one. Are you going to repaint back to original colors when all is said and done
Hi Joe
Yes, we are restoring it back to factory including the Garnet Red
I want to see this through. If you can fix that , then I know! I can fix my tuna canned fender on my 66 deville.
Thats nothing i’ve been doing that kind of work for over 40yrs! I’ve repaired a lot worse than that! His biggest mistake was cutting the A post before he pulled it
I have a 69 Camaro that needs restoration. Will you do it? Your doing such a great job on these 2 I want you to fix mine. My cars original color is like the blue one you are doing.
Hi Vaughn, yes , I would am available to talk to you more about it.
I am out of town now, but will be back Monday.
I am also available via phone until then.
Thanks
Pete
415-272-8133
@@digitalpizza1 Thanks for answering. I am out of town to on a fishing trip. I will contact you when I get back home also. It will be Wednesday afternoon or Thursday before I can. I will be talking with you. Thank you
Like the Steal Your Face on the hood hanging on the wall 👍
Whew....I feel so much better...sorry boss....didn't mean to upset ya....
Okay the body assembly is from ekeler and it's $13,000 so maybe that's not quite the way to go but it sounded like a good idea you can also do a deal I saw where they'd taken cut that floor out of that car and the cow and they get a late model Camaro and set that body down on the frame of the late model Camaro so essentially you have a 69 Camaro body on a 2020 Camaro kind of a cool deal another idea
Rear antenna on blue Z was not available with FACTORY equipped trunk spoiler...
Yes, I mentioned that in the video.
I also mentioned that the dealer installed both the hood and spoiler when the car was new before it was sold
This car is a perfect example of why buyers need to be very careful when purchasing these high-dollar muscle cars. Some of these pricey muscle cars have been wrecked and then rebuilt, however, the sellers will certainly NEVER tell buyers about the the extensive damage the car has experienced. Inspecting and buying these old muscle cars should be left to the veterans not the fools.
Need Arthur Tussik to fix it.
Yepp - he would have it done in one video - keeping all the original panels -
That new fire wall looks very different to me. Especially the passenger side ?
The firewall in the video does not have the upper and lower Cowl, or the tulip portion of it shown. They are all still in boxes. What you see is only the lower firewall
The damage is a little more extensive than it appears, be careful, because the passenger door gap is very much changed.
Where is your shop? Looking for rocker repair job on 1970 BMW E9, I've got the car pretty much to a stage where I'd like to have the rest of the work done at a shop that cares about old cars, motorcycles your shop looks like the place?
San Rafael Ca
@@digitalpizza1 Thought so, I'm in Oakland would love to have you take care of this machine for me, and my wife. I'll follow up with the Z28 repair, I'll find my way out there at some point best way to get a hold of you do you have a Facebook page, or other contact?
You can call me at 415-272-8133
Saving Camaros 1 letter at a time. Hurray for the 'Z'
Hey how about a update video on the 69 Garnet Red Crashed but not Dead Restoration? Its been almost a month now.
We are lining up a new metal guy and upgrading the frame machine so the job will be done properly.
The videos will continue on the car within a month.
Cool steal your face on the back wall. 👍🏻
Can you show how to put an engine in this car
I will be building and installing the engine in the blue Z 28 in my other video series very soon.
@@digitalpizza1 ok, thx
Don t they make a complete body replacement ?
Yes, they are available and might be a better deal when all is said and done in this case.
Company is called Dynacorn I believe
But it won't have the VIN stamped in the sheetmetal. I would agree if this were just a regular Camaro, but Z cars are bringing a premium. Even wrecked, with a proper documentation, it will bring very good money.
Part 4???!
Hi James, We are interviewing good metal guys right now who have the experience in this kind of damage. It's important that we get the car pulled out and straightened properly, then have all the panels replaced properly so the car is 100% when finished. I hope within the next few weeks we will have someone and the videos can continue. I will video the entire process including the frame machine work etc.
Someday a White 69 Z to match
Just a comment and I am not at all saying that you have done things incorrectly - but my personal choice - I would have put the shell on the rack without cutting through the A pillar so early and seen IF possible to keep that area intact.
Of course your method may be perfectly correct - as looking from here in my 'CZcams viewing lounge' certainly does not allow an ‘arm chair expert’ like myself to accurately asses all areas. My ‘theory’ is just different slant on how I would have approached it - and not criticism of yours (HA - and I may be wrong).
HA - and to SHUT all the BLUE//RED critics up - I would have moved that grey vehicle out of the way so that there was a full view of the red Z28 in the same picture a the blue Z28.
And repair the nose panel etc - and possibly even patch repair the original guard and IF ‘feasible’ also the quarters - just so that the % of original metal is higher. The “%” bit is just me being a 'pain in the arse for detail'.
I like to use a small ‘steam cleaner//pressure washer’ to carefully clean vehicles before I start delving into disassembly - HA - keep my dainty hands clean.
HA - and if I was not so far away - I’d like to volunteer some on my labour - great to see something like this saved.
Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
I totally respect and agree with everything you said.
Regarding putting both cars together, there will plenty of opportunity for that in coming videos. They are both at the body shop that is not my business and I have limited control in that department 😎
I'd clipnit and graft a rust free cowl into the Z band use the repo floorboard
I agree, We are going to try to keep as much of the original sheet metal as possible.
@@digitalpizza1 might want to get the body on frame machine get a subframe on it and do some rough pulls to get things in ball park....might be racked the car...we used to clip pintos and fieros
Yes, I agree
The engine is going to be removed from the old sub frame, then the sub frame reattached to the car. Then we are going to put the car on a frame machine at that point
@@digitalpizza1 wiriing harness dash pedals brake booster plus steering column..this customer or your own. Car? Might want to add temp braces in too.....
I don't see how it's possible to save that red car and have it still be the same car. You'll need a donor firewall the jamb is beyond repair. You could graft that section in on the Dr side from a donor and try to straighten the sections containing the VIN and cowl tags but if you go beyond that your just swapping tags. At that point it's no different than just getting another body.
The confusion is in the videos that CZcams recommends. All anyone has to do is look at the release dates of the videos to see that they are two different cars.
👍 yep, thank you David 😎
Before it was taken apart it should have been on frame rack and pulled!
The subframe without the engine is going to be reinstalled and some of the cut welded up and then put on a frame rack . Better late than never 😎
First rule...never read the comment's! Nice camaro's.
You got that right
Put it the front yard and plant flowers around it.
Restore it, park it in a barn and do a "Barn Find" video in a year or so.
Make sure to cover it in bird shit too
Wrecked and still cooler anything they make now days
If you can get it to drive and track right, not chew up tires or crib, you'll be lucky
This poor red camaro looks like its going to need one of everything?
Looks like you would have less $ and time to replace the shell
Did the owner who crashed it survive, as this looks like a pretty heavy crash, and when did it happen? as yikes..........
It was a mechanic on a test drive. He actually walked away. I believe it happened about a year ago.
@@digitalpizza1 jesus, so the car was solid all that time until then.
yep 😢
Car is toast... The whole thing is twisted. I wouldn't ever buy that thing even if you got it straight. It will never be right.