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Service Steam in Bosnia and Serbia - 2017
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2017
- Steam-hauled service trains disappeared from Europe long ago. However, some unexpected spots remain where steam locomotives are used on a regular basis, shunting and sometimes venturing on the mainlines, as is the case in a number of collieries, in Bosnia and Serbia, as shown in the present video. Featuring ex-Yugoslavian Railways classes 33 (2-10-0, ex DRG), 62 (local copies of US 0-6-0T war locomotives), 126 (ex-Hungarian Railways 0-6-0) and a number of narrow gauge (760 mm) locomotives.
If you bear in mind that these German Class 52 locos were supposed to remain in duty for not more than ten years, they turned out to be pretty solid...
What do you expect if it is German built, - solid and reliable. Makes me laugh along with Japan they were soundly beaten in WW2, - yet they are now World leaders in a lot of things they make, although the age of the 'plastic' car etc. to name just one item has 'clipped' their wings a bit.
Where about was it?
@@christopherlovelock9104 Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'plastic cars'?
As a nuclear engineer involved with the engineering and design of pressure vessels I wonder what an update with modern tech would do to a BR52 design?
@@blondeguy08 back in the early 2000's an English group along with a steam engine owner set about creating plans to make an oil fired, reliable, easy to operate steam engine that could be used in ordinary service. They called it the 5AT, but it never came to fruition because of a lack of support. Just imagine though, if wood was used instead-renewable fuel, an easy to run design, along with brute force unparalleled by electric traction ( which doesn't have enough torque to haul heavy freight). Back in the 30's Sweden decided to put electric heaters in steam loco boilers and pick up electricity from an overhead wire. Apparently, it didn't work as well as it should have, but in today's modern world, who knows if we could use it?
At 1:36 , this is the first time EVER, I saw two steam locomotives running back to back with each other. Ive seen diesel engines do this all the time, but never steam
52 handles similar both directions as far as i know so its probably less of a problem then usual
And that's how mighty mac was made
@@Graulas lol
I've seen pictures of it being done here. Usually it was done if it wasn't convenient to turn the locomotives at the end of a trip.
Varinki also. Most locomotive turntables have disappeared. In many cases you simply can’t turn a locomotive around.
Absolutely beautiful.
Good to see some steamers have found a safe haven where they can once more, continue the work they were always ment to do.
15:00 I don't think I've ever seen a real steam loco pull shipping containers before! I thought that line was just for coal!
26:45 wow! a 100+ year old steam loco that's still in regular service!
Yeah, I hope the 120 year gets repainted.
Heres a challenger pulling an intermodal: czcams.com/video/XhgHrDbN4EU/video.html
given well into the 2000s they were (and still are in a single coal mine) using steam haulage in china. And it continued well into the 90s in many eastern european countries, no doubt has happened much more than you think
Also back in 1999 the former ATSF 3751 pulled a container train to Los Angeles.
@@jmtrainz2582 me too, it also has a good bark for a small 0-6-0 :-D
14:13 looks like a painting from the early 20th century. Beautiful
3:50 is also beautiful framing.
23:50 Did it for me, tiny house, washing on the line, car trailer by the fence.
Wow, i had no idea we still had steam in regular use,FANTASTIC! Now i want to visit for a holiday.
dunxy America is considering putting the big boys back on the rail in regular service and Great Britain has plenty of steam services. I don’t know too much about other countries, but I know China and other really hilly places use some small steam locos to get stuff moving. They just aren’t as common as they used to be.
Logan Littell I don’t think there’s been any real talk of putting big boys back in regular service here in America. Steam locomotives are about 7% efficient to operate whereas diesels are somewhere in the 70 to 80% range. Plus, you can pull the same amount with the big boy as with one big diesel road engine, and with steamers being less efficient I think it’s doubtful
Обожаю паровозы, молодцы те страны,которые их сохраняют и даже используют. Это надежная техника😊 хороший фильм, спасибо авторам. Смотрю вас из России.
Like the classic WWll steam locomotives 🚂, after all this time. Still in service , great 👍 steam locomotives 🚂 video! 😀🚂😘 Mike from Missouri
Amazing! No point upgrading to diesels if you are operating a coal mine and have easy access to water! Probably cheaper to maintain too-no need for specialist parts, just make them in-house
Agreed:-)
Is that clan line on your profile pic? if it is, N O I C E
And there we were spending 3 months in China earlier this year.
Superb and perfect photography.
Thank you ever so much... Inspired for the rest of he week
Glad to see ex-Yugoslav Locomotives still in revenue service! Excellent documentary! :)
Ex Austria-Hungarian locomotives in service. That train lived through two world wars, the entire Yugoslav government, the various wars in the Balkans following the dissolution of Yugoslavia to the present day and still working
I had no idea about this! How wonderful they're still in service. I'd love to see it for myself!
Funny, as an American child in the 1960s and 70s, I disdained European steam. Now, I am riveted by this fantastic footage of these valiant survivors still making a go of it. It's getting to the point where any steam is good steam! Much appreciated and thoroughly enjoyed!
The whistle on the narrow gauge engine is beautiful sounding!
Fantastic. Wonderful stuff. Thanks! All this kind of thing disappeared in Minnesota when I was a kid, c. late 1950s. Would love to see this in person.
I was actually amazed at how well I could follow some of the action on google earth. I got lost a bit with the class 52s on some of the single track bits, but still. and its definitely impressive to see steam of any sort still at work...In Europe no less.
Well done!
To tell you the truth, I was a bit lost in some places as well. There are tracks all over the place and for some reason, my GPS did not work.
do you have any kml with locations of this tracks? can u give me some places where this locomotives drive in Bosnia? Thanks
Wonderful video with nice coverage of greenery and lovely landscapes .True hardwork. Thanks KochersbergTV.
In the words of General Stroheim:
"German Technology is the finest in the world!"
yes
jojo reference heha
I loved seeing the 1800's locomotive at the end in regular service, I love early steam locomotives.
After I finished watching the whole video, I had to go back to 6:30 to watch that standing start again!
Yes. Real work, isn't it?
This is just a stunning video. Amazing shots - always in a great place at the right time. Fantastic sound quality. Thank you!
This is sooo cool. Thanks for sharing!
Hi, I enjoyed watching this, I was there earlier in the year. It was good to see dirty, working steam in action.
Thanks Tim. Quickly disappearing though. The 33s are officially restricted to the premises of their respective mines. But there are exceptions, as can be seen in this video.
Such reliable engines!
Check the overall air pollution at 2:05
Sean Elmore diesels ar e just as bad if not worse. And there are far more of them. Locos trucks cars stationary engines etc. a steam loco is just a coal fire not the pollutants in diesel fuel
Michael Naisbitt I wish in my country we had some steam excursions. We can run the damn thing with fuel from within our country. And yes most of that smoke is just steam
Fantastic films. Great to see steam working hard in normal everyday service. Obviously the mine owners see that using steam is more cost effective than changing to diesels, possibly due to the readily available supply of coal. Long may they continue. Thanks for sharing them.
Thank you so much for sharing this video with the world!!!
New life goals: Move to Bosnia or Serbia and get a job on a steam train.
Also: I know it's not right for a man to cry, but I'm weeping at this.
The stuff of dreams. I wonder if they're still working today? Real working steam...
If "once per week" is good enough - go to Beekbergen in the Netherlands. The VSM runs similar (and some more modern) engines on a very regular base
I feel u pal..
They’re gorgeous, but you don’t want to be the guy that has to get up at 4 am to light the fire. Or maybe you do ...👍
Awesome... A few of these scenes I half-expected the camera to zoom out revealing a model RR.
That is serious motive power I was expecting small industrial tank locos. 😄
The small 0-8-0 tender loco has the strangest beat I have ever encountered. Very odd valve moments but it works!
According to another comment, it's a compound engine, with one high pressure, and one low. Regardless, I think the poor thing could use a tune-up, as it visibly wobbles due to unbalanced power. Probably isn't doing the frame or wheels any favors. Funky beat, though.
Excellent reportage ! Très grande qualité de l’image et du montage ! 👏 bravo !
KochersbergTV
Absolutely bloody wonderful. Thankyou so much Claude. I have shivers down my spine and tears in my eyes. This is how steam is supposed to be. More please...
Thank you for your nice comment. Keep some tears for the next one: Burma, in January.
KochersbergTV
Looking forward to it.
Now I've had a relapse. Steam is like a drug. I've been off it for a couple of years, busy with cars. Then one little video and I'm hooked again...
Greetings from Lukavac. Nice movie. I live 50 meters from railroad track.
Dario Bacic are there any inns or hotels in that area near the tracks?
Hi Dario, are these trains still operated with steam locos (Oct. 2019)?
Interesting! Youre a lucky man!
This is FANTASTIC. FANTASTIC FANTASTIC
Amazing footage, thanks so much for this.
Wieder ganz wunderbar, im schönen Herbst Licht, traumhaft! Vielen Dank dafür, Claude. War im April 2016 dort, da war das Licht bei weitem nicht schön.
Viele Grüße, Jan
Long and happy life to Serbia and Bosnia! :)
The depicted 33's are Deutsche Kriegsloks Serie 52, nice to hear and see them in service still..!
You beat me to this comment..
~ smiles ~
Polish Ty2.
@Current Batches Uhhh... Strasburg 90 & Frisco #1630?
@Current Batches czcams.com/video/S3TqGypgch0/video.html U.S. did and they were ALOT bigger than the ones in the above video.
This is beautiful photography Astounding tp see mainline steam like this. I jnew about a colliery in Bosnia. but this is terrific.Thanks for posting. :-)
Oh WOW, the 52 with bathtub tender and dog ears...... I worked for the DR (Yes, I am really old) and we had them in light passenger and freight service. Just the whistle is different, we did not have the "Beep Beep", we had the "Hoo Hoo" whistle. GREAT video !!!
Excellent video, thanks for sharing. Looks like a time-warp.
Pięknie , profesjonalnie zrobiony , niepowtarzalny Film
these are no museum-steamers, but hard working machines...all aged in their 70's
Absolutely and the last ones in Europe.
Amazing material and camara work, thanks for sharing.
Thank you, wonderful movie with steam.
Superb footage, many thanks.
It's great to see that these class 52 so called 'Kriegsloks' are still in duty! Unbelievable! Great!
Thanx for that video! 👍👍👍😊
Bet this engine could tell some stories wonder what it’s war time service records were
At the very least it wasn't shot full of holes by some Allied fighter!
Remember taking shots and getting arrested in Ruma yard about thirty years ago seems they might have mellowed all these years later , the yard was being shunted by a couple of class 33s . Is this anywhere near the locations of these videos
Great coverage of some wonderful classics in action!
Thanks very very much...From Kentucky USA...!
That 0-6-0 126 is the last surviving unit of its class (ex MÁV 325,079 built in 1899) not even Hungary has even a husk to show!
Kind of a shame that Hungary only has 6 operational steam-locos at the moment, and only 2 of those are allowed to operate on full pressure, and only 3 are Hun. types, in a country that was known to build great steam locos back in those days...
Yea, in here, we are working on to rebuild as much steamer and old coaches as we could. For example, three foundations are work on repearing steamers, where I work, we work on 324,540; using the 324,1527's parts. We have also use the MÁV 1026, and our glorius plans are to rebuild as many steamers as we could. I hope we can manage it!!
(Sorry for my bad english, I came from Hungary...😅)
What a truly wonderful video. Fantastic, one can almost smell the steam. Have enjoyed watching it. Thank you.
Sound recording is absolutely fantastic
Why pay someone else to haul your coal when you can use your own engines? Why pay for imported petroleum when your product is coal? Run your own coal in your own engines that you fix, hauling your own product. So the coal is half as efficient, if the petroleum costs half as much, but, you have to pay four times as much to haul your product then run the coal!!!
Yes. It's a Bloody No Brainer. And why not do it on your entire rail network too?
Sure you may be able to operate your own engines with your own product, but lets not forget that steamers require a HUGE infrastructure network to maintain (roundhouses, back shops, coaling and watering facilities) which also requires a literal army of workers to staff. Petroleum powered diesels on the other hand only require a fraction of the infrastructure needed to maintain them, which also means they require less employees. Plus, each steam locomotive basically needs three crew members to operate whereas two crew members can operate a whole lashup of diesels.
To sum it all up, in the long run steam engines are way more expensive to operate than diesels.
bitsnpieces11 should you 900
czcams.com/video/aIiYh6-TySo/video.html
Because the government is putting in regulations and carbon taxes against your coal
Thank for this great video!
Amazing. Whether here or across the pond, decapods seem to keep working and escape the torch.
Hopefully these locomotives will be preserved after their revenue service ends.
I hope so too. I am reasonably optimistic. Even though they are quite dirty, they sound like they are in good condition. The workshops are still working and I saw a steam-hauled tourist train, apparently coming from Croatia.
The Hungarian 126 is a real dinosaur, but regarding the sound I have noticed that several of the locomotives, the 126 in particular, just have 2 exhaust beats per revolution of the wheels, their valve gear setting is waááááy off, the maintenance must be kept to the bare minimum for the locomotives which are not in every day use anymore.
Two beats per revolution = two cylinder compound = normal. The same holds true for the narrow gauge class 83. This being said, the poor old girl could do with a bit of maintenance... and probably a new boiler.
Are you kidding me? these war locos are to be found just about _everywhere_ in Europe, merrily running on tourist lines. Being from Holland, I'd happily swap as many of these as necessary for one "real" dutch engine in running condition - (meaning not american, english or german war babies but locomotives designed in NL).
(Holland scrapped their steam in '57, long before anyone was interested in preserving it :-(
a very well made video, a pleasure to watch, keep up the good work
@28:54 the red star on the side of that loco is from SFRY era I'm assuming.
Probably.
Wonderful. Thanks from Hong Kong!
Oh i love steam loco's❤🥰
10:00 how cool is that sound!
Eu nesses meus poucos anos de vida, ainda não tinha visto. Umas locomotivas Maria fumaça com uma tão grande capacidade de CARGAS, como Essas que vejo através do (CZcams) fico muito grato e feliz. Com essas informações mundiais que só o (CZcams) mesmo para nos realizar, Esses grande desejo de todo o público. de ver máquinas locomotivas. LINDAS. Em Trens. Que transportam um grande Progresso por terra. só os treins tem realizado à grande malha ferroviária pelo mundo todo OK estou. Empolgado.
UM Abraço e Parabéns à todos equipes do CZcams. E à esses grandes proprietários dessas grandes Belezas!!!
Great videos, enjoyed them! :)
The Class 52 was and is great. My experience with BMW motorcycles is that if it says Made in Germany and you maintain it well, it will last.
A bit of a clean and maybe a repaint would do those beautiful locomotives good...
Standardized, simplified and without big problems in maintenance and in service. There are several constructions of steamers following these guidelines in many countries.
Great footage, thank you.
These locations look like nice places to live:-) A smallholding here is probably affordable and you could grow all your own food. Firewood in winter would be affordable too.
Isochest only problem is that we love our wars way too much, so you can be certain that around ever 50 years there will be one.
Lots of land mines around the country though
I disagree and agree at the same time. Your problems have been flamed by the USA (Skull and Bones and others) Most humans hate war. But a few evil folk do and they make money from it . We all need to treat those who wish to dominate us as the jerks they are and make them feel they have lost their toy.
The old girl at the end of the video looks like she's pretty leaky. Great videos!
I'm glad I know this comment is on a steam locomotive video ;-)
thank you for sharing.
Beautiful footage !
Very Nice video about the steam Locos! Do you know something about the frequention of trains in the Resavica Colliery?
The train traffic keeps changing and I do not live in the area. So I cannot update you about the frequency of the trains unfortunately.
00:12:02 'It was time for Thomas to leave. He had seen everything.'
"Now Percy has learned his lesson too." He chuckled to himself
😂😅
Jesus, an engine from 1899 still in regular use!?!? That's a modern day miracle if you ask me! That place must either have a ton of vintage parts stocked up or they must employ some really skilled craftsmen that can replicate parts from that time!
Well yes, you are right. But it should be appreciated that the poor engine could hardly move herself (and a hopper). I would be curious to see the boiler certificate. Having said this, this is a very interesting engine (cross-compound) and she would deserve a careful restoration. And the mine is having a second similar engine hidden somewhere...
Not only that it looks like a Queensland Rail B13 1/2.
I'm a Maglev train, waiting beside the line eagarly to watch my great grand father is coming.
Wonderful stuff; thanks for sharing.
steam pulling an intermodal! go figure...
Archer Hill all over again
Beautifully made
I think they're TY2 class in Poland. Great video!
It's the sound that brings back my memories of steam in the UK in the 1950s for me
The sound is precisely the reason why I am shooting videos in preference to still pictures.
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The narrow gauge engine looks and sounds awesome, thought 2 beats per revolution is unusual to hear, and her whistle is downright ghostly. Although she looks about 50 years overdue for a 1950s Tallylyn style overhaul. The SG 0-6-0 is a beauty, and looks like she could have been a tank engine in another reality. She's quite reminiscent of the very numerous USRA 0-6-0 switcher.
Those are cross-compounds locomotives: one high pressure et one low pressure cylinders. So only two exhaust beats per revolution. Figure out ? The SG 0-6-0 is actually an US model. Some were imported in Yugoslavia immediately after WW II, some were built locally later on.
@@KochersbergTV That's a curious design, but it must work well if it works now. I did think the SG 0-6-0T looked like an S100.
it was good to steam still working many thanks
Excellent film - interesting with great quality. One niggle however was the fact the only complete train we saw was the diesel hauled one on the main line. The trains were not particularly long - I can understand it in the USA perhaps. Maybe not too much of a mainline issue, but on the narrow gauge, where there were guard's vans attached, we were denied a close look
This is wonderful! Does anybody know how many of the German locomotives they still have/operate?
Steam engines pulling container trains...gotta add that to the list of things I never thought I'd see.
Superb editing. Well done!
Nice Video from the beutifull Steam locomotives . About still in servis. How long are the locomotives in servis?
To the best of my knowledge, those locomotives were built around 1943/44 and remained in service ever since, first in the DDR then in Yugoslavia, now in Bosnia.
I'm happy that steam still rains and I hope the railroad has the foresight to save these engines
Wonderful aural juxtaposition at 9:30 of the locos with the Adhan being called from somewhere in the distance.
great video many thanks
What a surprise to see this locos still working today!
The 126-014 sounds like a compound engine, is this really a compound loco?
Great video with a very good sound! ;-)
Thank you for your nice comment. Otherwise, not easy to find technical information about class 83, at least in a language I understand. As far as I can understand, there existed two sub-classes, one using saturated steam and the other one superheated steam. The former was a two cylinder compound while the latter had a single expansion engine. The machine displayed in my video would be a compound, as you rightly suspected from the exhaust noise. For more information about these machines, please see the following (in German): de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHStB_IVa5
I went to this mine last year. Both 0-6-0's present are cross-compounds.
Nice video work - like being there.
7:10. That signal in the valley might look good for a WW2 movie scene.
The system looks antiquated but seems to also fully serve its purpose.
I love that destroyed signal @25:00
Epic video! For everyone whos wondering why are those locomotives still in service.Well Bosnia is divided into two constitutional states with three nations in it.Poorest one is Herceg Bosnia where those locomotives are.They somehow survived all the wars and they are perfect choice for them because that sub state doesent have any real logistic and enough engineers .Most factories are closed or privatised so they cant make or order anything new.As you see even rails are old,infrastructure is old,everything is trapped in time.Thats why it is so interesting cause generally nothing changed since 60s except houses around .Croatia ,Serbia or any former Yugoslav republic wont help them and so they are depending of what they have.Thats the only reason why they are still using them .
There is no reason why not to use steam at coal mines in the UK like in the 1980s
its so amazong that there is 1 steamlocomotiv from 1899 still in service like i wonder wich parts wehre untouch since it was build
Most of these engines run very clean. Is that the coal they use, or something else?
Awesome train video
Working steam trains, very cool!
These are no North Western Railways, but they are really not bad! I hope to see even more railways that still employ steam.