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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- Probably the longest narrow-gauge railway in the world: 400 km (250 Mi) of track between Ingeniero Jacobacci and Esquel, in Argentine Patagonia. A unique gauge: 750 mm (±2 foot 6). All the rolling stock was purchased in 1922 and hardly modified ever since. 6 different steam locomotives built by Baldwin and Henschel are shown hauling coaches and wagons made in Belgium by Familleureux.
Precious little narrow gauge line. An absolute treasure and what remains, must be preserved at any cost!
Thanks to all those who preserved it and kept it operational. This is a precious gift to tourists and adventurers
THANK YOU ! Especially to Claude Coune, also FARRAIL & Tren Rodantes, as well as all others who assisted in the creation and posting of this remarkable and very enjoyable video to CZcams. LONG LIVE PATAGONIAN NARROW-GAUGE STEAM RAILROADING!!
Time to enjoy this video because the northern leg of the line is now closed and likely to remain so for a while, possibly for ever, following the severe derailment that took place in October (for lack of maintenance of course).
Stunning photography.....
Excellent video of one of the most beautiful railways in the world, thanks a lot! I rode this train back in 1993 all the way from Ingeniero Jacobacci til Esquel, when there was still timetabled service. And a second time in octobre 2007 on a photo charter tour of Trains Unlimited.
A lovely video and so beautifully shot. I really enjoyed watching this as it's probably the nearest I shall ever get to an icon of the railway world.
I did some research and found some interesting facts. The Baldwin class # for these locomotives is 12-18 1/4-E. These were a special order locomotive built for the Argentine State. 25 were built...serial numbers listed as 55429 to 55453 and road numbers 1-25. All were built in 1922. Cylinder size is listed as 300 mm diameter x 440 mm stroke...however the 18 1/4 in the class number works out to be a piston size of 12 1/8" or 308 mm. (There could be an early and late bore size as there are two different index numbers assigned to this class). Boiler pressure (new) was 170 psi and driver diameter is 800 mm or 31 1/2 ". Weight was 47 ton and the tractive effort came in at 10,440 lbs. So in reality these Patagonian Baldwins are miniatures of the K27 class here in the US which had 27,000 lbs of tractive effort.
Thanks for the information.
I knew that had to be a baldwin locomotive simply by the look of the locomotive
Great Northern N3 ¡mil gracias por la informacion!
Thanks tons for that information!
Wonder, could you find out similar data for the Henschel & Sohn locos? From #101 up
Saludos = cheers
Ricardo
When my computer notified me you'd uploaded a new video, I stop work for a tea-break especially to watch it. I really enjoyed this one, excellent filming and nicely put together. Thanks for sharing this amazing journey.
Thank you Tim and sorry to have interrupted your work...
An incredible video. Many many congratulations from Canada. This trip could be a touristic attraction. Go ahead Paragonia !!
I love steam locomotive so I will give this a 10 out of 10 best Argentinian steam locomotive video on CZcams
Lovely and beautiful video... Congratulations!!!
Very well made!
Each shot looks like it could be turned into a painting
or like it could be in a foreign made western
This video reminds me of my train trip through Colorado, Nevada and Utah. Beautiful scenery.
It really quite incredible that this line still exists, let alone that they still run trains!
Yes indeed. The dry weather is such that, fortunately, the sleepers can survive for centuries. That helps, having regard of the fact that we ran portions of the track that have not seen a train in the past 6 years...
With the scarcity of revenue service and the inability of dry weather to preserve personnel, how did you find a crew to run the train? Does the railway maintain a skeleton crew for summer excursions? Incredibly beautiful videography. BRAVO!
Yes both provinces maintain some crew. In the South, they run trains for tourists, from Esquel to Nahuel Pan (see latrochita.org.ar). In the North, train are available as charters only, apparently from Ing. Jacobacci to Ojos de Agua.
You say windy and then there's a shot with the stack smoke going faster than the train. I'd say you got it RIGHT. LOL
Beautiful scenery , all the more beautiful for the excellent shots.
Gorgeous video. I love watching these classic Brazilian and Argentinian operations and there is so little footage. I am curious what has become of No 1’s bell, for years it was the only one to retain its original Baldwin bell, the rest having been given to schools and churches.
What a scenery!!!
A wonderful video! I feel I am there. Many thanks!
an incredibly beautiful railroad movie
Realmente excepcional. Maravilloso este ferrocarril que aun ahora sigue estando activo. Argentina un Pais de una belleza unica. Gracias por compartir.
Así es Martín formini . pero es un servicio sólo para fines turísticos..el servicio ferroviario ""normal" es de aproximadamente 850 kilómetros de extensión entre las ciudades de Viedma cerca de la costa del océano Atlántico ..y la ciudad de turismo de nieve ..Bariloche..se presta con locomotora diesel eléctrica camarote ..coche restaurant y tiene un vagón acondicionado para el transporte de automoviles ..el servicio es semanal y lo presta la empresa TREN PATAGÓNICO.....en el invierno austral (julio a septiembre) es la temporada alta con paisaje nevados ..saludos desde mar del plata ARGENTINA. 🤗🤗
Thank you for the free ride and great pictures!
Absolutely superb video of that part of beautiful South America. I had the good fortune of travelling the entire length and breadth of South America (after travelling south from the top of Alaska) in 1988/89 in my trusty Patagonian Express, my 1969 VW campervan. The country through which you were travelling through brings back wonderful memories of that magnificent continent with the beautiful Andes Mountains as a backdrop and clear mountain streams. As for the wind I agree totally with you as one morning the wind picked up suddenly and ripped the top of my campervan off. On another day I was hiking against that very powerful wind all day in the magnificent Torres del Paine National Park. It made the day very tiring indeed, however providing superb memories forever. Well done again on your brilliant footage and editing. Superb work.
Well done, Claude, some very nice shots there.
Come sempre, splendido e di ottima qualità!
Beautiful videography....
Excellent work!
Brilliant video! I really enjoyed watching!
Superb - in all respects. Reminds me of the great director Satyajit Ray who employed similar natured visuals in some of his most famous films. The one I like the most is named Sonar Kella (Bengali movie). Congratulations for the awesome work
Simply outstanding 🏆
never thought I'd see streamlined open ended Narrow gauge coaches
A beautiful video...the more so with no running commentary or “music”
The very reason why I am shooting railway videos is precisely the possibility to add sound to the image. I do not want to spoil that sound with anything else. In this particular case, I have to say that the wind was a real challenge, and my microphone did unexpectedly well.
if you hadent said south america, i would have thought , eastern california desert ( old southern pacific rr, ( if u are british or european railway) or somewhere in colorado , usa. man that looks cold there . lovely footage of the trains ,etc. thanks for sharing.
Actually Patagonia is in a position similar to what you find in e.g.in Nevada: a big mountain (in this case the Andes) is sheltering the place from the humid air blowing from the Pacific Ocean . As a consequence, it is seldom raining (or snowing in the winter).
Yeah it looks just like northern Nevada.
It still runs. ITS ALIVE!
nice engine too.
Thank for show this beatiful Pictures of my country...🤗🤗🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷👍👍👏👏... greetings from mar del plata ARGENTINA..☺
Thanks ..gracias amigo ..mostraste a mi país de manera estupenda ...y en el norte tenemos el tren de las nubes .. se está estudiando volver a poner en actividad el servicio buenos Aires Bariloche..saludos ..y gracias ..🤗🤗
Acabo de leer que Tren Patagónico va a reabrir la via entre Viedma y Carmen de Patagones. Si no me equivoco, se puede ya viajar por tren hasta Bahia Blanca. Posiblemente que lo haya en Octubre.
@@KochersbergTV parece que si..todo depende de la situación del país. 🙂🙂.. así es Argentina 😎😎
Fui a Argentina a veces y tome fotos también. Aqua: www.ona.vu/Argentine/
@@KochersbergTV bueno..siempre eres Bienvenido . .te invitamos por mi ciudad mar del plata ..😊😊
Nice scenery. Did anybody notice nobody in the passenger cars?
Yes. These trains are charters. During run-pasts, all passengers are out of the train taking pictures.The place being a desert, it is not possible to hire anybody to act as passengers. Unfortunately.
The problem is that there is no one to buy tickets. The region is a quasi-desert... and it was (is still being) deserted by any reasonable population born in the area. Fro those few travelers, there exists (unfortunately) an efficient network of buses, which are immensely faster than the train (at the risk of security).
Homenagem à 'LA TROCHITA': penso que as estações por onde ela passa deveriam ser limpas, sem ferragens abandonadas e outros lixos, que somente servem para enfeiar a passagem dessa instituição argentina, 'La Trochita'.
From the onset, the train was part of the national Argentine railway system. In 1993, the Government decided to move the responsibility for the railways to the provinces, which resulted in the closure of a majority of the long distance lines. The Trochita was divided into two separate companies depending respectively on the Rio Negro and Chubut provinces. The service was nevertheless re-instated for a few years, but at some point the agreement between the two provinces was broken, resulting in the closure of the middle section of the line, at the level of the provincial border (Ñorquincó). The Chubut province continues to support the railway and organises trains for tourists during the Summer season. The Rio Negro province is less committed to the railway: the necessary equipment is maintained, but not used on a regular basis.
@@KochersbergTV Thanks for your reply. I wish the railroad success and continuance into the future.
750 mm is a narrow-gauge, that's for sure. Although, if you define the narrow gauge as a smaller gauge then 1435 mm, Japan's most of the railway is built as a narrow-gauge (1067 mm). As a single track route, between Kyoto and Shimonoseki has 673.8 km and this is just apart of the hole of 20,140 km. Anyway, probably other countries has longer ones too. I am thinking of maybe India or China... Of course I love the locomotive in the movie !
I tend to consider narrow gauge as smaller than meter/3 foot 6 gauge.
Fantasteco gracias
Superb video!
Impresionante, te juro que me dan ganas de volver a viajar por esos lados. Gracias nuevamente.
magnifique.thank you from france
How many paying customers participated in this charter and was it financially successful? If Kochersberg TV has any future charter excursions, how can I find out about them? I’d love to be a player.
35 paying customers. And it was financially "borderline". To find out about any future excursion, please contact www.farrail.net.
sensational video :) -as you made this video 2019, assume train is still running -there was news (hopefully wrong) that only 2 shorter sections remain operational: 1-El Maitén to Desvio Bruno Thomae, 26km 2-Esquel to Nahuel Pan
The news are unfortunately correct.
watching.
good shot
Muy buen reportaje excelente tren histórico agradable para visitar la Patagonia
Excellent video! I am from Argentina, but have never had a chance to see this railroad. Did you also get the Tren Patagonico while down there?
Unfortunately, I could not take the broad gauge train between Viedma and Bariloche. The dates did not fit... Next time, I hope.
I'm curious how the train was supplied with coal and water in the absence of the original servicing facilities. . .
The locomotives are oil burners. Oil is normally carried in tank wagons, which you can see on the video. As for the water, there is a water supply every 40 km (±25 mi). Surprisingly, in the middle of nowhere, in a dry climate, those water columns still work, bringing water from God knows where.
@@KochersbergTV Thank you-- and apologies for my delay in answering. Computer meltdown.
I assumed the tank wagons were for extra water.
Partly water, partly oil.
for anyone interested, the've anounce recently that they will be switching to a biofuel of somekind, which i guess is the best we can expect a steam train to run on
Encantador. ....
This is awesome !1
How frequently do trains run through this desolate land. Starkly beautiful but empty!
For more information, please refer to the website of the company: latrochita.org.ar. Only in Spanish unfortunately.
Being a museum line, is it safe to assume the crew are volunteers?
It is not strictly a museum line, even though it has no other revenue activity. The staff is mostly paid by the respective provinces. In the South (Chubut province), they run regular trains for tourists from Esquel to Nahuel Pan. In the North, (Rio Grande), it seems that the staff is provided by Tren Patagonico, which operate revenue trains from Viedma to Bariloche on the broad gauge line visible at the beginning of the video.
Hermoso, nunca volverán los trenes a vapor por las vías de Chile , aunque el pueblo lo quiera, la avarician es mas grande que los patrimonios culturales de épocas anteriores. Saludos Hermanos Argentinos y a cuidad como a sus vidas esta tremenda JOYA;
At 10:43 in the video there is smoke in the far background near the tracks. Did the train start a fire?
No fire. Just another steam locomotive.
Great video. Would you happen to know what class the Baldwin No. 1 is? It looks very similar to the old Rio Grande 463 that now operates on the Cumbres & Toltec. #463 is a class K-27 and I was wondering if any of these got exported to Argentina. Only two K-27's left in the USA.
The locomotives were built according to the requirements of the railway in 1922. It is nevertheless possible that Baldwin got some inspiration from existing locomotives such as the K27.
How did you get these shots? All information points to the line being almost entirely closed.
I just went there.
@@KochersbergTV Well that's about all the information I need, thank you.
I might have elaborated a bit. The line is currently divided into two parts, corresponding each to a province. In the Rio Negro province, (in the North), there is no regular traffic, but the train can be rented (at a price!) between Ing. Jacobacci and Ojos de Agua. Due to the poor track condition, this takes more than one day and there are no hotel facilities in Ojos de Agua. I had to sleep for two nights in a school! The railway is managed by Tren Patagonico, which is also dealing with the Viedma-Bariloche broad gauge line. In the Chubut province, (in the South), there survive regular trains between Esquel and Nahual Pan, (about 20 km), but trains can be chartered to go up to Lapa station (at a price too!). Between Lapa and El Maiten, the line is officially open but blocked by the Mapuche community for political reasons. Trains can also be chartered to run around El Maiten. On the border between the two provinces at the level of Ñorquinco, the line is not open (and not usable) but still present. So it is not correct to say that the line is almost entirely closed, but it is difficult and expensive to travel on what is left of it. Just to say that this was, by far, my most expensive video.
@@KochersbergTV Thanks for the information! Such a beautiful railway.
Fantastic 👍👍👍👍👍
I read the book the old patagonian express from Paul Theroux in the 90's I guess t was diferente then because he even was served a steak from the restaurant in the train now it looks empty,if nobody rids it why keep it running?
The trains shown on this video were charters, this is why they seem to be empty. Regular traffic (with passengers) is now limited to the 20 km long section between Esquel and Nahuel Pan. But I was served a steak, together with a nice bottle of Argentine red wine.
Very nice video, but think that engine needs some maintenance! Nasty sound from its mechanics.
You are right, but partly so. Locomotive No. 1 seen in El Maitén is in perfect condition, in my opinion.
Are you photographying with a film SLR? I could swear I hear the mechanical clunk of an old steel reflex and windup lever at times.
Nope, but some of my neighbors may be...
When the concept *Wind* gets a new definition here.
Indeed. I had to work a lot on the sound track.
@@KochersbergTV But its a masterpiece of documentation, thank you for the videos that you are uploading.
Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Thank you for a rare glimpse of a part of the world we may never be able to visit
Some more footage from within the train would have added to the beauty.
The train seemed empty .No passengers?
Those trains were charters. They carried a group of about 60 photographers, who most of the time were out of the train to take pictures.
@@KochersbergTV thanks for the information. Must have been fun.
Very nice video!! 🚂👍
The bridge is a thru truss.
My mistake then... Thank you for correcting me.
Excellent compilation.. thanks for sharing... this video seems like an egotistical experience of the old train... it shows the train in all its majestic glory....
It actually leads me to ask you, did you deliberately avoid it or is it just that Argentina is so eerily uninhabited... no semblance of humans or animals of any kind of perceptible sizes???? 😊
Thank you for your nice comment. The Northern part of the line crosses a region, which the Spaniards called "El desierto" (the desert). The place is covered with a thick layer of volcanic ash, which combined with a harsh climate proves particularly hostile to any inhabitants. More in the South the railway crosses a region mostly inhabited by Mapuche "Indians". For some political reason, there tends to be some unrest in this region and it is considered unsafe to go there. So we did not go. In general there are more sheeps than humans in this part of the world and the very purpose of the railway was to carry cattle, meat and wool.
Is the route like a museum now or is it still a revenue railroad
The status of the line is ambiguous, but I think we can consider it as a museum line.
No one was in that train ?
Please refer to previous comments on the same topic, and my answer to them...
To anyone wondering... that little old train makes no difference whatsoever in smog.
23:30 Is that mountain moving up and down or is that just me?
Not you, but the effect of electronic stabilization of the image. The place was so incredibly windy that it was impossible to record a stable video. Sorry about that.
I wonder what speed she maintains . Looks like about 30 kph.
In 1977, Paul Theroux reported that the 400 km were covered in 13 hours. There was a stop every 40 km fro watering and a change of locomotive in El Maitén. This would suggest a maximum speed well over 40 km/h...
A beleza do pampa argentina até parece as planicie Americana continuo assistir os vídeos de vocês .
Estepa Patagónica..la Pampa está más al norte..Saludos desde mar del plata ARGENTINA 😊😊
valve timing on the engine does not sound right.
...and too many steam leaks.
In real life, they never do so, do they ?
I thought that the Baldwin No.1 locomotive in part 2 ran incredibly well!
So do I.
Mi bella argentina!!
Y este cambio barbaro de vagones?!
Porque no!
Uma viagem solitária, não há passageiros?
The passengers went off the train in order to take pictures (and videos). These were charters, not regular trains.
Choo choo I had to say it
Od apeninuw do anduw
awful whistles