Bad Batch Director CONFIRMS Why Ventress is Alive - Dark Disiple Explained (Season 3)

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  • @okamireader5
    @okamireader5 Před 4 měsíci +62

    "Just when you think you understand the Force, you find out how little you actually know."
    -Ahsoka Tano

    • @WrathMania32
      @WrathMania32 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Yeah, especially when they need to make shit up

  • @codename618
    @codename618 Před 4 měsíci +50

    "Once, I was just like you, but I'm not that person anymore. Now, I have a future."
    -Asajj Ventress

  • @albertlamar5938
    @albertlamar5938 Před 4 měsíci +38

    The Night Sister mystical "Lazarus Pit" theory makes sense (and I love the Batman reference, BTW).
    I am glad they are brinign gher back, and hope that her redemption arc continues. She was a great character, who went through a great deal of suffering, but managed to transcend it in a way Maul did not.
    Can't wait to see it.

    • @kashiro2492
      @kashiro2492 Před 4 měsíci +3

      He just threw that reference in there fully expecting us to understand 😂

  • @Sunstar808
    @Sunstar808 Před 4 měsíci +31

    With the Nightsister’s force powers a sister of Dathomir may never be truly gone.

    • @dragnet53
      @dragnet53 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Mother Talsin is alive still and she could have easily brought back Ventress. She did it before.

    • @zachl5471
      @zachl5471 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@dragnet53unfortunately Mother Talzin died in the Son of Dathomir comics by general grevious. It would be cool if she came back too but she didn’t die on Dathomir so I feel that it’s less likely.

  • @marjoe32
    @marjoe32 Před 4 měsíci +12

    I will say Faloni and this new era's focus on balance its a breath of fresh air. No one is perfect and no one is pure evil, but a balance without losing yourself is what matters

  • @zachl5471
    @zachl5471 Před 4 měsíci +11

    I have been waiting for the day that they bring her back. How the novel ended it always made sense to me that she could have been resurrected as she was buried in the Waters of Life in the coven at Dathomir. So happy they finally did it!

  • @SkinnyEatWorld95
    @SkinnyEatWorld95 Před 4 měsíci +15

    It would make sense. And I love that you compared it to the Lazarus Pit

  • @emmanuelbois4459
    @emmanuelbois4459 Před 4 měsíci +20

    Somehow...Ventress came back.

  • @Sharkey1208
    @Sharkey1208 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I could see Quinlan holding onto her lightsabers as a means of keeping a piece of her with him and we do know he survived to join The Path

  • @Gor85
    @Gor85 Před 4 měsíci +4

    This is really nice story. Asajj is really cool character. Asajj in light side-very powerful sight. May the Force be with you too😊

  • @artiemedley9369
    @artiemedley9369 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Excellent recap! Although, I will say, you commented about Star Wars bringing back another character from the deaf "for no reason". Here's my thinking:
    Not for NO reason. For ONE reason. The sequel trilogy was SO devisive and not good overall, that they're stuck. "Where do we take Rey from here after being so poorly received?"
    The ONE reason: they have no confidence in their storytelling ability moving forward, therefore, they keep turning to characters, fan favorite characters, of the past. It's been happening since Rogue One, but I would argue that both Rogue One and Mandalorian S:2 E:8 did it right and in very good taste.

  • @Sparrow118
    @Sparrow118 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The type of character Ventress represents is something I've wanted to see get more representation on screen in Star Wars. I really hope her story takes her well beyond Bad Batch, and maybe even eventually meeting back up with Ahsoka or something.

  • @thegalacticponderer
    @thegalacticponderer Před 4 měsíci +5

    I am rather skeptical that Vintress would want the sith sabers back, they were given to her by Dooku, who she now despises. They would also likely be hard to get as Anakin turned them over to the tribunal as evidence, so likely one way or another, they likely ended up in Sheev's hands. More likely she just made her own handle for her saber, that suited her style.

  • @IsmaelCiulla
    @IsmaelCiulla Před 4 měsíci +23

    3 theory’s I have: 1. She is a clone of the original Ventress. Palpatine did clone himself in both legends and canon and someone might have been obsessed with the nightsisters and he/she wanted to bring that culture back. 2: It’s a flashback (even though highly unlikely) Ventress could have met the Bad Batch at some point before her death who was trying to hide from the Galaxy but somehow the galaxy keeps bringing her back which is through the Bad Batch keep crossing her path. Or 3 the writers did what Ventress did in legends where she faked her death.

    • @g1mysterio682
      @g1mysterio682 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Ventress was killed by Dooku, and Dooku died before The Bad Batch went on the run.

    • @IsmaelCiulla
      @IsmaelCiulla Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@g1mysterio682 was she killed by a lightsaber? I’ve never read the book but I do know she died

    • @jonathansayah9506
      @jonathansayah9506 Před 4 měsíci +3

      I've been thinking of option 3 since WAY before this show premiered. But option 2 is equally plausible.

    • @g1mysterio682
      @g1mysterio682 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@IsmaelCiulla when she dies, she's already wounded from debris, and Dooku kills her with force lightning. Quinlan Vos and Obi Wan take her body back to the nightsister cave on Dathomir at the end of the book. Nightsister Magic has resurrected people before, so I think it's plausible that she's actually alive

    • @IsmaelCiulla
      @IsmaelCiulla Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@g1mysterio682 point taken

  • @arbknight12
    @arbknight12 Před 4 měsíci +16

    Maybe they just want Asajj to eventually meet up with Merrin?
    A Dathomir family reunion

  • @jacobdrolet4262
    @jacobdrolet4262 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Amazing video and Asajj Ventress is one of favourite characters in Star Wars ever.

  • @ispbrotherwolf
    @ispbrotherwolf Před 4 měsíci +3

    This could be right before her death, timeline fits rather good.

  • @grimthehaunter1330
    @grimthehaunter1330 Před 4 měsíci +8

    I love Ventress she's literally one of my favorite characters in The Clone Wars I love her Redemption Ark I'm just seeing her alive in the bad batch makes me wonder what they're going to do with her character or this is going to lead into a series all about her I guess we'll just have to see

  • @William_Does_Coasters2255
    @William_Does_Coasters2255 Před 4 měsíci +95

    They confirmed that she was revived after the body was returned to Dathomir

    • @bryanfrazier4648
      @bryanfrazier4648 Před 4 měsíci +6

      where did they confirm this?

    • @tym6245
      @tym6245 Před 4 měsíci

      Shut up

    • @tym6245
      @tym6245 Před 4 měsíci +9

      @@bryanfrazier4648they didn’t . There always wanna be wikis in here just ignore it

    • @C02576
      @C02576 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@bryanfrazier4648They buried her next to dathomirs river in which has resurrection properties in the water that’s what I heard

    • @shanedaley6236
      @shanedaley6236 Před 4 měsíci +5

      ​@@C02576i don't know if this cheapens her story or not but we will see based on how they tell the story and how they play her as a character

  • @zoenowak5132
    @zoenowak5132 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I would be over the moon if they made a mini series live action romantic drama about Quin and Assajj ❤

  • @throneofheros8755
    @throneofheros8755 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Yes she’s back baby

  • @cofeman347
    @cofeman347 Před 4 měsíci +4

    TCW fanbois won't tell you this, but they absolutely hated when Darth Maul returned (he had been revived so much it was kind of a meme). So Ventress returning doesn't move the needle much for me, but am curious about what will she do in the BB show, given it's the final season.

  • @issacdunham6257
    @issacdunham6257 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Well. I don't think the writers of dark disciples ever thought she would return. That was a very clear send off to the character. Although her return makes more sense due to her specal night sister circumstance, i don't think it should have been done. She's an interesting character but this feels cheap. If they wanted to tell her story make a dark disciple movie. They need to make original characters instead of changing the stories of old one's. Plus a resurrection is ok in some situations where the story of the character supports it, in this situation it really doesn't. It just feels like ventress could make them a lot of money

    • @jaguarking2892
      @jaguarking2892 Před 4 měsíci +1

      What really felt cheap was her supposed send off. Hlad she is back, 'cause the book was very tropey and full of cliche bullshit

  • @justinschauwecker
    @justinschauwecker Před 4 měsíci +3

    If they can somehow revive her, why not the other Nightsisters? I wish characters would just stay dead instead of bringing them back to life just because.

  • @darthcygnus7692
    @darthcygnus7692 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I don't care about that novel, just give me Asajj. Killing her was one of the dumbest choices ever.

  • @gentlemanjedi
    @gentlemanjedi Před 4 měsíci +4

    Never read dark disciple, but based on what I've heard about it and some of the thigs you pointed out i the video, this could actually work if done correctly.

  • @ciscoduncan1490
    @ciscoduncan1490 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I want to see Vos as well. Thanks for the video.

  • @BD-zs5zd
    @BD-zs5zd Před 4 měsíci +2

    She's probably one of the few characters in the universe, you can bring back and people go, meh makes sense. We watched nightsister magic do some wonky shit. Still doesn't change star wars has brought back/allowed people to live from terrible wounds for too long. People will hate this too.

  • @MasterSmegols
    @MasterSmegols Před 2 měsíci +1

    The pool was literally called the waters of life

  • @VileHearts
    @VileHearts Před 4 měsíci

    It makes sense to me. When I first heard she was alive I thought it had to do with the magic on dathomir which can revive, or reanimate beings. Especially since she's a night sister

  • @stefanjohnson4955
    @stefanjohnson4955 Před 4 měsíci +8

    “we ran of out ideas”

  • @cnslusser
    @cnslusser Před 2 měsíci +1

    Being a Nightsister of Dathomir and the way she was buried at the end of Dark Disciple, her resurrection seems... less cheap than a lot of the other "actually, they didn't die like we thought" situations. BUT... Star Wars has worked itself into a corner where they have said "actually, this character didn't die as previously suggested" far too many times, and if nobody ever dies, there are no stakes. So even though Ventress being alive probably makes more sense than the other characters, I'm over it.

    • @mechanwhal6590
      @mechanwhal6590 Před 2 měsíci

      It’s like superhero comics where no one can stay dead. I don’t know how people read that stuff anymore.

  • @adrianb714
    @adrianb714 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Sounds like she's been resurrected by the pool

  • @realrosesaretrulyred
    @realrosesaretrulyred Před 4 měsíci +6

    I LOVE YOU. I’ve been a fan of yours ever since your darth plaguies is snoke theory!!!

  • @corellioncrusaderproductio4679
    @corellioncrusaderproductio4679 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Honestly, I just don't care as long as she gets a good story and isn't just tossed in as a cameo or fan service.

  • @MrNicolasBarte
    @MrNicolasBarte Před 2 měsíci

    It was really nice to see Asajj not as a pawn but as herself!! She’s one with the force and the force is with her! ❤ 😍 finally!

  • @user-tr7wh9yj2n
    @user-tr7wh9yj2n Před 4 měsíci +2

    This channel is great. Talks Star Wars and not politics or motives of movies or series. Just plot and story. Always been this way and may it never change. By far my favorite on you tube.

  • @DarkAuraDeathAngel
    @DarkAuraDeathAngel Před 4 měsíci +2

    I wonder if Ventres could a purple lightsaber if she want to embrace the Dark Side some what?

  • @brennanhilsher9276
    @brennanhilsher9276 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Hunter and Quinlan tracking together would be kinda sick

  • @christien6230
    @christien6230 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I hate off screen deaths so im ok with this

  • @ericblue5436
    @ericblue5436 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I never believed that she was dead, anyway. I remember the battle on Dathomir when the other Nightsisters came back to life to fight.

  • @liamwalton3469
    @liamwalton3469 Před 4 měsíci

    So glad to see Ventress come back been saying it should happen for a long time hope we get her in live action too

  • @matthewmann8969
    @matthewmann8969 Před 4 měsíci +2

    In Legends or EU or Expanded Universe or LV Asajj was way more then just a throwaway character note Dooku Nor Sidious saw her as a true sith but saw her as a valuable assassin although a inferior one to Grievous And Maul with Grievous in terms of physical abilities and saber combat and with Maul with unarmed combat, force use, and physical attributes and probably blade mastery as well but still Asajj boasted a well rounded track record in certain sitiuations where she had lots of prep time and environmental advantages like her fights against Anakin, Obi Wan, and even Mace the latter because she had the atmosphere giving her the edge yet Mace still would of beat her had the fight continued and she did not use a distraction to escape but still her origin story was more well spotted and markered compared to her Disney and or Canon selfs yeah.

  • @ThanatosZero
    @ThanatosZero Před 4 měsíci

    In Legends the original Je'daii were balanced in both sides of the force, however I wonder, if they originally had a symbothic relationship with the dark side as the night sisters did.

  • @nov3m472
    @nov3m472 Před 4 měsíci +1

    its so goofy that she survived the most crazy sh*t in clone wars but just to get rid of the character she dies in some random altercation in a comic

  • @ahsokaxtan0
    @ahsokaxtan0 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I hope she’s after qunilin, there’s no force user relationship that makes sense in Star Wars except this one, Rey and Ben was just dumb

  • @daveonwheeler7412
    @daveonwheeler7412 Před 4 měsíci +1

    She lives

  • @ninomitchell2039
    @ninomitchell2039 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Here's a thought. If the theory from ahsoka is true where the ones are passing the baton, what if ventress is the son 2.0? Given they may be rewriting Ray Stevenson's roll and he was theorized to fill that roll, it's unfortunately easy to throw her into that roll if they don't keep his story the day. Only way I can think this would make sense though is with some necessary force related revival, how she's revived doesn't 100% matter imo, just as long as she's back

    • @kermi4
      @kermi4 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I'd quit Canon starwars forever if this happened

    • @ninomitchell2039
      @ninomitchell2039 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @kermi4 honestly, I'm just saying that as a ventress fan. Whether that happens or not, I think we're all just wondering how/why she's alive, post clone wars. Anything past a half decent explanation is just a plus for the character.

  • @wedgeantillies66
    @wedgeantillies66 Před 4 měsíci

    As they say and as we have seen thorough out the clone wars, through the magics of the nightsisters, many and nearly all things are possible.

  • @WRL13
    @WRL13 Před 3 měsíci

    in my fan fiction, my character, who had a special friendship with Aayla Secura, is intrigued to learn how she felt regarding her former master's fall from grace.

  • @LooneyPoliticsTunes
    @LooneyPoliticsTunes Před 4 měsíci +2

    We now have a force user running around who could go toe to toe with Anikan and obi at the same time yikes ! If she has a grudge against Asoka , Asoka is in some major doggy doo doo

    • @kaykay9646
      @kaykay9646 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Why would she 🤨? In season 5 they kind of squashed their past when Ventress help her clear her name. Even told Anakin that she and her are the same.

    • @LooneyPoliticsTunes
      @LooneyPoliticsTunes Před 4 měsíci

      I just want to see Ventris and Asoka kick off lmao 😂

  • @followingtheapocalypsesson4337
    @followingtheapocalypsesson4337 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Dear gawd... if somehow Ventress and Vader met... again....

  • @davidvincent5701
    @davidvincent5701 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Ventress has become Ada Wong.

  • @JaylaSecura
    @JaylaSecura Před 4 měsíci

    I just wish we got animated Dark Disciple!

  • @kingshadow8782
    @kingshadow8782 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow!

  • @apollyonkatastrefia1586
    @apollyonkatastrefia1586 Před 4 měsíci

    I hope you're right about Ventress staying in the light.

  • @TheFadingMan
    @TheFadingMan Před 4 měsíci

    My favorite character.

  • @CaptainFellowship
    @CaptainFellowship Před 2 měsíci

    “No one’s ever really gone”

  • @CraftMotion
    @CraftMotion Před 4 měsíci

    What exactly makes you believe, Marrok was resurrected? He does not act like a zombie, the dust that gets out of thim looks nothing like the bright green spirit ichor and the sound it makes is also different from the sound of Nightsister magick.
    That doesn't mean that it is not Nightsister magick but it means that we don't know for sure until official confirmation. Until then, it is also possible, Marroks creepy death has different reasons, maybe the reason lies within his species. Just don't forget, he's not the first Inquisitor that turned into nothing after Ahsoka killed him.
    Nightsister magick is ONE explaination, a very vage one at that, keeping in mind we've never heard of a resurrection ritual, that actually gives life instead of just reanimating a dead body, before.

  • @jonnovember2136
    @jonnovember2136 Před 4 měsíci +2

    She might have been a #TDBank💳 card holder which explains her return...🌎💘💰

  • @marshalllatta2073
    @marshalllatta2073 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Am so freaking happy she back l was screaming at my TV when I saw her

  • @mapowey7214
    @mapowey7214 Před 4 měsíci +2

    lets be real, they brought her back because they know they dont have the creativity or skill to create a new character or adapt a universe character that fans will actually like (they’ve proven that time and time again), so instead they decided to bring back one that they know the fans like. they are focused on doing as little creative work as possible while still attempting to maximize monetary gain. ive stopped watching everything disney. only way to show them how shit they are is to boycott. i suggest we all do the same and stop treating mediocrity as an acceptable standard for a MULTI-BILLION dollar company. honestly this applies to a lot of the entertainment industry, not just disney star wars.

  • @joelmanning249
    @joelmanning249 Před 3 měsíci

    Sure Marrok is an example of resurrection being done before but he seemed to be still an undead being not truly alive. If Nightsister magic is this powerful why did Sidious allow the Nightsisters to be wiped out it would’ve helped massively with his immortality scheme.

  • @Roge_Tebnelok
    @Roge_Tebnelok Před 4 měsíci

    It's not her old lightsaber, there are no bands and clips. It's created after her resurrection. Version with the pool sound plausable.

  • @dianesinger9729
    @dianesinger9729 Před 4 měsíci

    That makes sense about the death of Ventress from the novel and how the magic could have brought her back

  • @mercury13
    @mercury13 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Realize she was Anakins balance she became good as anakin became bad

  • @70jghorton51
    @70jghorton51 Před 2 měsíci

    She’s used the light side before though she had trained as a Jedi for years before her Master was killed and Dooku found her

  • @mattrodriguez476
    @mattrodriguez476 Před 4 měsíci

    Would be cool if it was dooks saber hilt.

  • @mattrodriguez476
    @mattrodriguez476 Před 4 měsíci

    And it makes sense that after vos thought she died and order 66 happened that he went on to help the hidden path .,.. Maybe we'll see them unite again ...I hope so.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Ventress coming back still has me concerned. I hope that my concern is for nothing.

  • @jasonparrish8670
    @jasonparrish8670 Před 4 měsíci

    Makes total sense to bring in such a character with the story arc Disney is following. I have a feeling we'll see Ventress resurrected like the entire hold of the trans-galactic Star Destroyer who's made a full deposit on Dathomir. First she'll be re-infused with dark force magic, then gradually will turn it over in Ashoka Season 3 to her true balanced self.

  • @robertmccalley7413
    @robertmccalley7413 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Idk why you say the novel is Canon, Lucas and Filoni have said that the shows and movies are the only canon

  • @aaronsmithjr.5505
    @aaronsmithjr.5505 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It’s a mythical galaxy . You can bring back anything to life and call it making sense…. Does it mean it’s good writing though.

  • @kaidorade1317
    @kaidorade1317 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I have a bad feeling about this

  • @vereor66
    @vereor66 Před 4 měsíci

    somehow...maul's bottom half returned

  • @pingamalinga
    @pingamalinga Před 23 dny

    So the green stuff brought her back? Someone owes a debt.

  • @evanbauer1816
    @evanbauer1816 Před 4 měsíci

    When did she even die.? I must’ve missed that 😅

  • @kingshadow8782
    @kingshadow8782 Před 4 měsíci +2

    😊

  • @jimmymac25
    @jimmymac25 Před 4 měsíci

    do you think this is setting up a star wars rom-com with Ventress and Quinlan?

  • @WeaponsRemorse
    @WeaponsRemorse Před 4 měsíci

    I hope merrin and asajj meet and gives her lightsaber to merrin

  • @brianmcconnell1817
    @brianmcconnell1817 Před 4 měsíci

    No one ever really dies in Star Wars.

  • @SHARKVADERS
    @SHARKVADERS Před 4 měsíci +2

    THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

  • @graphixkillzzz
    @graphixkillzzz Před 4 měsíci +1

    god damn it 😐😑😐
    now they're gonna make "Asaj" "live action" 🤦‍♂️🙇‍♂️

  • @vasglorious
    @vasglorious Před 4 měsíci

    Disney Star Wars doesn't care about what's in the novels or comic books, it's all about what's on screen to them. And in my opinion, they just reconned Dark Disciple.

  • @benronald
    @benronald Před 4 měsíci

    Does Quinlan Vos have a death in Canon? Because if not I want Ventress to go back to him and live a life together in the outer rim

  • @Freemode247
    @Freemode247 Před 4 měsíci

    Team Ventress! 🙌🏽

  • @samlazar1053
    @samlazar1053 Před 20 dny

    SHE IS A FORCE VAMPIRE.A unholy force being that will consume us all..Lol.THE JEDI BE LIKE....SHE HAS TO DIE IMMEDIATELY LOL

  • @sirducksworthythe3rd842
    @sirducksworthythe3rd842 Před 4 měsíci

    She didn't die in Canon, for books and comics are a separate Canon to the movies and series

  • @jimmyfirlotte5953
    @jimmyfirlotte5953 Před 4 měsíci

    The book takes place after Quinn Lon and obi wan tries to get Cade bane and clearly dooku dies so her death is before anakin change to Vader it would make the book legends or even make it nothing if they bring her back

    • @jimmyfirlotte5953
      @jimmyfirlotte5953 Před 4 měsíci

      The book was too good to change it it fits quin Lin vos perfect I feel as he was always different

  • @MaxMadPlayz
    @MaxMadPlayz Před 4 měsíci

    it'll be worth it IF they make her a good character like maul

  • @nomad8024
    @nomad8024 Před 4 měsíci

    Somehow…. Asajj Ventress has returned

  • @ethanrudy7161
    @ethanrudy7161 Před 4 měsíci

    I’m still not sure about her coming back it just seems like death really isn’t a thing in star wars anymore and nobody stays dead

    • @kaykay9646
      @kaykay9646 Před 4 měsíci

      Qui-Gon Jin, Obi-Wan & Yoda after the return of the Jedi and every Jedi that died on order 66, Dooku, Grievous, Savage Oppress……etc yeah I disagree I beg to differ 😂

  • @ApocTank66
    @ApocTank66 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Through the power of Disney's unoriginality and Ventress' Giga-Karen hairstyle, somehow she returned.

    • @kaykay9646
      @kaykay9646 Před 4 měsíci +2

      It’s called a retcon it happens in comics too

  • @killahk3v475
    @killahk3v475 Před 4 měsíci

    I always said ventress was too good of a character to just kill off in a book off screen

  • @samuelrobles3737
    @samuelrobles3737 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Day 378 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

  • @CT9905.
    @CT9905. Před 4 měsíci

    Why not, Maul survived getting cut in half.

  • @SnakeDoctor303rd
    @SnakeDoctor303rd Před měsícem

    Can someone just give us the TL:DR version. 11 mins is ridiculous for this

  • @daveonwheeler7412
    @daveonwheeler7412 Před 4 měsíci

    Post order 66 she here with bad batch

  • @greensky9530
    @greensky9530 Před 4 měsíci

    I want quinlin back.

  • @PhoenixDawnX77
    @PhoenixDawnX77 Před 2 měsíci

    Azz-pull confirmed.

    • @PhoenixDawnX77
      @PhoenixDawnX77 Před 2 měsíci

      Although I'm glad she's back, I'm a bit tired of Filoni acting like Star Wars is his, mucking it up like his personal playground. TCW season 7, Rebels, and the Ashoka show sucks. Stop retconning!