Kirst Konverter .22 conversion cylinder in a Pietta 1851
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- Trying out the Kirst Konverters .22 cylinder kit in a brass frame Pietta 1851 Navy revolver.
This is a well - made kit that is a lot of fun to use that adds a little flexibility to your percussion revolver.
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this was a great show and tell! My first ever gun purchased was a Brass framed 51’ Colt Navy with a 4.8 inch barrel made by Pietta. Starting out my shooting hobby with black powder Colt reproductions was one of my better decisions Ive made when starting out in a new hobby.
It gave me a great appreciation for what guns are and how far they have come. Seeing how some of these early revolvers operate and learning the history behind them gave me the kind of perception I think all beginner shooters should cultivate when starting out.
Something else I believe I may be somewhat unique in, regarding black powder hobby is from a survivalist point of view. I can make my own ammo, powder, and primer ignition source. In an apocalyptic scenario; soon enough; ammo will be scarce and eventually such a rarity an individual man trying to keep his family and himself safe from danger and fed will not be able to rely on modern weapons unless hand loading was your thing prior, but even then, its not as simple as being self reliant and self sufficient than you would be entrusting your livelihood on the good old tried and true muzzle loading black powder guns.
These fine weapons give me a sense of safety far past simple shootouts with potential post apocalyptic bandit theives.. They can and will supply meat from a hunt day after day if you take the hobby seriously and learned all you can, while you can.
Something this fun that can hold such a serious and important role in a man’s arsenal to protect those who rely on him is a blessing I will never take for granted. I love and respect these old guns.
God Bless and stay safe 👍🏻
Thank you, and thank you for your insight. These firearms often get overlooked in the search for the next plastic frame 9mm wonder pistol. Yes, these may be slow to load and only have six shots on board, but they can get the job done.
Everyone should have at least one in their collection, for many of the reasons you stated, and also - they are just so fun to shoot! I get more enjoyment firing a handful of rounds out of these than I do shooting a few hundred out of some generic 9mm pistol. Some people just don't know what they are missing out on.
I was very interested in this and almost bought one. The only downside is the price. Thank you for posting this it's incredibly helpful 👍
My pleasure!
Yes any of those conversionz are ridiculously priced in my opinion...
@@bandccoresohio They are expensive. But, they are made by small, American manufacturers, and I certainly don't think that they are getting rich off of these things - I doubt they make very much profit from selling them. Anyway, there is barely a handful of manufacturers that make conversion cylinders, so if you want one, you'll have to pay the price.
It's well worth it. Very good machining!
@@bandccoresohio Hard to do good timing and making of cylinders, hence the cost.
I really like this conversion cylinder kit. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching! It's a very well made device - unfortunately with a price tag to match!
Thanks for sharing this video! Since it's a two hour roundtrip to the closest range that allows BP shooting and I am a member of my local indoor range, I had decided to buy a Kirst 22 conversion cylinder for my Uberti 1851 Navy Colt knowing that the cylinder might need some sanding to properly fit. The sanding, if needed, was no big deal but the need to cut a loading port for the 22 cartridges was another matter so I was pleasantly surprised that 22 short cartridges could be loaded through the original cap access for the Pietta 1851 shown in the video. After checking with Mr. Walt Kirst of Kirst Konverter to make sure that I was installing his cylinder correctly, I was able to attach the cylinder to my 1851 Navy without any sanding or other adjustments. It couldn't have been simpler. I'm sure that if I had a problem, Mr. Kirst would have helped me through. He is a class act, returning my call the next day and being very patient with my questions. I took my revolver with the Kirst cylinder to my indoor range today. Before I could even load it, a Range Safety Officer, rushes over and asks me if I have a cap and ball handgun. I say that it is but today I'm shooting 22 shorts with a conversion cylinder. So his alarm changes to interest and I and my converted Navy become the center of attention. Fortunately the revolver handled flawlessly. There was virtually no recoil, the action was smooth, and the trigger pull was light and crisp. Also my accuracy was comparable to what I achieve when shooting my Ruger Mark IV 22lr Target Pistol.
Great story! That is one of the really nice things about these conversion cylinders - they just add so much versatility to your revolver!
I only wish that .22 Short was a little more available and less expensive. It's a great little cartridge, but it doesn't seem to be as common as it once was.
Yes, I was able to purchase CCI hollow point .22 shorts at Bass Pro but I had to special order at $13 per 100.
The company anticipates you to cut a loading grove in the frame for 22lr. But I guess 22 short is a good save for not having/wanting to do that step. Just like when sighting my 1851 in. I made the sighting groove on the hammer wider with a triangle file. And you can use it to get closer to point of aim to a limited result. Not something a lot of people would do themselves but if your into black powder your kinda your own gunsmith to a point on them to keep them affordable.
If they weren't so expensive I'd probably buy one in a heartbeat.
Yeah, they are expensive. Kirst has been having sales on them here and there, but even with the sale price they are not cheap! They're very well made, though, and should last a lifetime.
I picked one of these kits up a few months ago. I appreciate 03:32 going over the loading procedure. *Thanks!*
You're welcome, and thanks for watching!
I definitely like this idea, I have a .22 rifle and I bought .44 1851 navy revolver from pietta. I however found that it was impossible to find caps for my revolver. I am definitely concerning this route and I can still put my regular blackpowder cylinder back on my revolver if I do find caps. I can also save money on ammo by buying only .22. Thanks for this video I appreciate the quality review.
I am not surprised at the accuracy. Shooting a 22 down a 44 barrel.
no theres a tiny 22 barrel you insert inside the 44 barrel comes whith the forcing cone and all that
I was just about to sell my brass frame 1851 44 to my friend (and then do the full conversion on a steel frame) and now, I feel no longer the need to do that.
Krist is doing something different with rimfire compared to their other converters, and I like it
Kirst does a really good job with these - they are very well made and, as you noted, quite unique.
There may be another video in the pipeline featuring a similar Kirst conversion cylinder, so stay tuned!
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That looks like fun I agree with trying the 7 1/2" barrel The longer sight radius might improve accuracy and repositioned front sight might better center the groups.🤞 Thanks for sharing Doris J
In hindsight, I should have brought the 7 1/2" barrel with me to the range and put a few rounds through it. Oh well - maybe the next video!
@@johnzx6r That would be great info
Great video, i got one for a 1860 snub nose
This is awesome. I don’t need another .22 but if I was looking for one I think this is the route I would take. I would have to cut the frame to accept Long Rifle though.
On some revolvers there may be enough room for a .22 lr to fit. I tried to see if it would work on a couple of newer Piettas and an Uberti and I couldn't get it to work with any of them.
He said he is shooting CCI 22long rifle at the beginning you don't need to cut the frame
@@ommsterlitz1805 I guess I should have made that a little clearer in the video. I was using .22 long rifle in the beginning, but to load them I had to remove the cylinder from the frame, load it, and then reinstall it. With the revolver I was using here I could not load .22 lr with the cylinder installed. Maybe on a different revolver it would work, but on this one it would not.
@@johnzx6r Oh ok thanks for the reply, anyway it's a very nice conversion kit I wish it was shippable to Europe but it probably isn't if i'm not some kind of an armorer as the EU wants to disarm us all...
Long range it's hard to get good groups but still fun to shoot! 😚👌
I think with different ammo I might be able to close the group up a bit, but as long as I can get tin can sized groups with this I'll be happy.
The barrel is too short, too inaccurate, and too expensive. But thank you for showing us this video. It is always good to see how new ideas work, or not work. I bought a Ruger Bearcat 50+ years ago because it reminded me of a Colt .31 percussion revolver. I have not taken it to the range for decades. This video has prompted me to take it out of moth balls and shoot it at the range when the weather permits, along with my High Standard semi-auto pistol which is a tack driver.
I'd like to get a Bearcat one of these days, but they don't come up for sale very often in my neck of the woods! I've got a couple of the Wranglers, which are OK, but they are no Bearcat!
I might be able to get better accuracy out of this thing if I play around with different types of ammo, but no - it will never be a target gun. I think the best I will get out of it is it being a tin can plinker. And yes, it is expensive. But it is a very well made system manufactured by a very small business, so that has to certainly factor into the price.
All in all, I still like it, and I am very happy with it and I hope to get a lot of use out of it.
I respectfully beg to differ sir
I ended up buying one for the same exact gun. I've noticed you actually can safely load 6 rounds by having the loading port at 12oclock and resting the hammer on it.
Hadn't thought about that, but it certainly would work.
Not a bad little pea shooter plinker especially with the shorts. Probably with the shorts it’s about 40 or 50 foot pounds of energy you’re getting at the muzzle which is similar to what a baby colt 1849 .31 caliber revolver is putting out with a 50 grain round ball and a 15 grain load of 3f black powder but this method is much cleaner and without cap jams and cap swallowing
Yeah, I think I'm going to like this thing. I'm going to try out a bunch of different brands and styles of .22's - see what it likes best. I like shooting the shorts, I just wish they weren't so much more expensive than the long rifle.
Thanks bud
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Thank you for posting this conversion cylinder. Enjoyed your style of review. Where were you able to purchase it from?
I got it directly from Kirst Konverters. They had a few in stock, last time I checked.
Lighter bullets tend to impact low on a target. Even 44 magnum 180s impact lower than 240s.
I'm going to try a bunch of different ammo through it when I can get more time and see if I can get it to shoot to where I'm happy with it.
22LR is always going to be lighter than 36 or 44 projectiles.
I don't know if you are a wonderful shooter but, if you want to test the accuracy of this conversion you should shoot from sandbags, not with a bare one hand.
I missed some view of the function of the conversion. How to install for example... But, good video anyway. At least we now know that this conversion exists.
Thank you for showing this, it's pretty neat. Has anevery told you that you look like Dwight Schrute from the Office?
No one has ever told me that before!
@@johnzx6r I think it was the serious face with the paused look you gave.
Interesting gadget ! I wonder if the conversion barrel is spinning as the bullet passes through it? It seems to me ,that if the barrel is not secured, the the torque of the bullet engaging the rifling will cause the barrel to spin , hence no spin on the bullet.
I didn't point it out on the video, but the flange on the barrel has a little semi-circular cut out in it that rests against the cylinder arbor, preventing the barrel from turning.
@@johnzx6r Ah -i wondered about that . good to know . Thanks .
That's interesting. I wondered how the barrel was secured and if it could has been rotated to different positions,to move the bullet point of impact. It doesn't sound like you can change that, the way it installs. Would have been interesting to see how it goes together.
Rotating the barrel insert might move groups to the center depending on the insert.
Unfortunately, the barrel insert can only be oriented one way - there is a cutout on the insert flange that indexes on the arbor on the frame of the revolver to prevent the insert from rotating.
@@johnzx6r check the front of insert for square, out of the gun. If it isn't square it can throw off point of aim.
Curious if this can be modified to use 22wmr in place of .22lr so it would be more than just a plinker if need be ?
I really don't know. I guess just about anything is possible, if you throw enough money at it!
Will it fit 22 nailgun cartediges? Theyre cheaprr and i get 2000-2400fps with a 40grain 22 slug as the projectile so its like 22magnum more than 22lr and for alot cheaper
I haven't tried it, but I suppose it would work.
Thanks for the video. Does anyone else make these conversion cylinder kits for 1851 brass frames?
In .22? no one else at this time that I am aware of.
I unfortunately have brass frame on both my cap and ball classics lol I may order a new frame tho just so I can convert to .45 Long Colt
@@bandccoresohio Yeah, brass won't hold up too well with .45 Colt!
@johnzx6r I already commented earlier. What is the problem loading one with 45LC using 30 grains of BP with a round ball?
I have the 1851 yank snub nose case hardened all black, the avenging angel, but where did you find it in brass frame?? Can you please send me link to store or tell me where to look for brass frame of the 1851 yank snub cant find it anywhere
I didn't buy it like that - I had to make it. I had a full-length brass frame revolver and just bought the snub barrel for it. All the parts on recent production Piettas are mostly interchangeable.
The barrel can be bought from Taylors Firearms, but it looks like they are out of stock on them right now.
Gor the price of the converter you van just buy a used .22 revolver. I question what using this longer term will fo to the barrel. The converter barrel is not full length so youll get a muzzle blast (small one from .22) ring in your barrel. Will this, over time, cause an area of wear in my barrel? I know it would take a lot of use but right now caps are a pain to find so.........
The cylinders aren't cheap, but very well made and I like the uniqueness of them.
I really don't think using these will damage a barrel over time. We'll see if any problems show up, though.
Was it hard to get the cylinder in? Did you have to do any additional fitting or filing on the cylinder or gun? Or did it just drop in? Very interested in this. I’ve got some of these revolvers and been looking for something a bit more quiet to shoot. If it’s not too much work to get in the cylinder this would be awesome
The cylinder dropped into this revolver perfectly, with no fitting necessary, and the timing seems to be perfect as well.
Not sure how well it will work in other revolvers, but if mine is any indication, I think if you have a recently made Pietta this cylinder should work just fine in it.
@@johnzx6rawesome thanks that’s how I saw it advertised on the website as a drop in easy to set up conversion but they never specifically said it wasn’t previously fitted or worked on and u gotta be careful. Can’t believe how exspensive these are… almost 400$ to shoot smaller bullets. I got my .45 colt conversion for 250!! I guess it is more metal and parts though than just cylinder and cap
@@aurteekay6339 Yeah, it is kind of expensive, but it is a very well made system and made out of quality materials, so I think you are getting what you pay for.
If I wanted a .22 rimfire revolver, I would buy a Heritage Arms Rough Rider.
I do not see any reason to convert a black powder revolver to .22!
The Heritage Rough Rider is much less than the conversion kit!
where did you get the short barrel?
I bought it from Taylor's and Co.
I made that same gun.
Great minds think alike!
I have a 1851 navy colt made in the 80,s will the kit work on one that old.
Best answer I can give you is "maybe". Kirst states that these should work in Pietta, Uberti or Armi San Marco revolvers, but may need some slight modification. If yours is something other than those it may still work, but it is probably best to get in contact with Kirst and let them know what you have and see if they can give you any guidance.
Thanks
Do they make that in 22 magnum
Unfortunately, they do not.
If you would of left the long barrel on it would hit alot closer
very nice
Thank you!
Can use 22magnum rounds out this conversion cylinder?
No - unfortunately the .22 Magnum isn't compatible with the .22 Long Rifle camber. I don't think this cylinder could be reamed out to take a .22 Magnum either. I think this cylinder might be too short for that to work.
@johnzx6r Thanks for the video.
God Bless You And Family
Where do you buy this at and how much
I bought mine directly from kirstkonverter. They are not cheap. It looks like they are going for over $400 right now.
Is it possible to add double action
Just about anything is possible if you are willing to throw enough time, effort and money into it, but converting one of these to double action would not be an easy task!
If you're loading your brass frame 44 with 45LC and 30 grains of BP and a round ball what can really happen? It's the same load the original shot.
Sort of. 30 grains is doable, but it is a pretty stout load for a brass revolver. I usually keep the brass revolvers to about 25 grains or so.
Also, .45LC uses a bullet that is nearly twice as heavy as a .44 round ball.
The original black powder .45LC load packs a pretty good wallop. If you were going to use a cartridge conversion in a brass frame revolver, I would use a load using black powder, but keep in mind the .45LC with BP was (and still is) a pretty substantial load.
@johnzx6r no doubt that it's a powerful load. I load my 45LC brass with round balls. 30 grains of BP and I load it that way when shooting a regular load without the conversion. So far so good. It's not really brass, it's number 6 gun metal. It's a bit harder that brass like most replicas.
Will you update on the accuracy using the 7"barrel?
I will!
It would be nice if you leave a price
Well, that video was made more than a year ago, and prices fluctuate. I don't remember what I paid for it then, but right now they are about $400
Line that barrel and make it a 5.7 or 22wmr
It's really hard to justify a conversion that costs more than 3x what a new Heritage will run you, and they come with an ejector rod.
.22 is more of a "fun" sub caliber
Yeah, I wouldn't rely on it for serious social purposes, but it comes in handy for killing tin cans.
That shit is Kirst
Needs to be 22 mag
Now that would be pretty interesting!
@@johnzx6rI just gotten a 32 S&W cylinder for my 49.
So while checking it out I grabbed a 32 Long Colt. Along with a 44 cylinder and thinking why not.
Run subsonic ammo.
I may pick some up and try it through this.
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