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    0:00 - intro.
    0:10 - stats + profits.
    1:46 - fb testing strategy.
    3:40 - scaling methods.
    4:42 - break-even roas + cpa.
    6:51 - increasing your aov.
    8:23 - vertical scaling.
    10:48 - horizontal scaling.
    11:38 - lookalike audiences.
    14:41 - scaling horizontal adsets.
    15:08 - cbo scaling.
    16:48 - extra tips for scaling.
    18:14 - outro.🚀💸
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Komentáře • 148

  • @carlchristopher2627
    @carlchristopher2627 Před 7 měsíci +21

    Mate how don't you have more views and subscribers?? It is extremely easy to follow along what you're saying and learn from it which is very different to all other drop shipping CZcamsrs. No BS, no talking about other random stuff, just straight facts and information that truly helps. I appreciate your videos man, big ups!

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Appreciate it bro! Glad you like the content

  • @cr4zysash682
    @cr4zysash682 Před 7 měsíci +7

    The value is insane, thank you tay

  • @luisrenenavarro
    @luisrenenavarro Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is gold my friend! thanks for sharing 🙌🏼

  • @TheSpaceMunkie
    @TheSpaceMunkie Před 7 měsíci +1

    Fire video man thank you, we definitely need a video on how to succeed testing in Europe!

  • @mystrq5455
    @mystrq5455 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Love your videos bro

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      Appreciate the love bro!

    • @mystrq5455
      @mystrq5455 Před 7 měsíci

      I have a question, when you are doing Horizontal Scaling. What is the number or the maximum reach in that interest of that new adset? or it is better to have it again little bit "broad" but ofc still in that same niche. @@taysthetic

  • @trendwave6239
    @trendwave6239 Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks man
    A lot of value

  • @dominikzander1563
    @dominikzander1563 Před 5 měsíci

    You are talking value straight up no bs no talking around. Great video.
    When coming to the placement do you advertise on Facebook & instagram only fb only IG or both?

  • @PauloHenrique-cy2zr
    @PauloHenrique-cy2zr Před 5 měsíci +1

    Hey man, i'm from Brazil and i really like this video and your youtube channel. Here i learned a Lot of good strategies and now im your follower. 👊🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @Killionaire-wy3mj
    @Killionaire-wy3mj Před 7 měsíci +1

    Soo much value shared , big respect G❤

  • @PaniaThong
    @PaniaThong Před 7 měsíci +3

    Thanks for making the video! There’s a lot of value.
    You only mentioned about scaling, what if none of the interests you test got 0 purchase or below your Breakeven ROAS? When do you kill? And should you keep testing more interests? If so when do you know you need to move on to another product?
    Also if you get an interest with ROAS just slight 1.2x to 1.5x your Breakeven ROAS, can you still scale with a new asset at $20/day? It’s pretty hard to get 2x BE-ROAS
    Thank you you’re the man! 😃

  • @arifet1650
    @arifet1650 Před 4 měsíci

    It's the first time i'm leaving a comment on a video on youtube, but your videos are hot like fire man. BIG THX from Germany

  • @myaudlife4399
    @myaudlife4399 Před 5 měsíci

    Hey Tay, there’s one thing you weren’t clear on. At 11:12 When you talk about testing new interests, and simply selecting new suggestions that are related to the initial broad interest, do you keep the original interest within that same Ad Set or do you remove it and go with new?
    Absolutely amazing content btw. It has been a gem to find you. Thank you.

  • @sanketdumane7060
    @sanketdumane7060 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Best video on youtube about fb ads

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 2 měsíci

      happy to know you think that bro!

  • @jimvazques4980
    @jimvazques4980 Před 5 měsíci

    this was a very good video. i will soon be using facebook ads for my business and i think the best approach for beginners is understanding the different types of Strategies there are for creating ad campaigns. this was a very well made video

  • @user-kq3ps7iu5r
    @user-kq3ps7iu5r Před 16 dny

    Master, Thx i got today right place for getting amazing knowledge. 🎉❤

  • @mma4rum736
    @mma4rum736 Před 5 měsíci

    Bro this dude is exactly what I'm looking for! Easy to follow step by step my store is scaling pretty good rn 👍

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Glad to hear that bro! Keep killing it 🔥

  • @adamthomas7
    @adamthomas7 Před 7 měsíci +1

    yesss nice to see you back in top form bro keep the vids coming 🔥 #mogul

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Ayeee, appreciate it bro! glad to see you're back too 🙌🏼

  • @niftyhussle7239
    @niftyhussle7239 Před 4 měsíci

    Amazing brother

  • @abdulselamtufekci2097
    @abdulselamtufekci2097 Před 2 měsíci

    Very marvellous techniques

  • @omershah345
    @omershah345 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Gem's drop 😋😍 thanks man

  • @efedemir200
    @efedemir200 Před 7 měsíci +1

    i watched 3 times, was amazing and if u make a video about to all process it would be great. thank u btw

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you! I will definitely make a full video building a store in the future!

  • @jorgemyte19
    @jorgemyte19 Před 5 měsíci

    this video is like 10 videos combined from any other youtubers showing how to run ads. Glad i found this video

  • @bunjesus
    @bunjesus Před 7 měsíci +5

    Literally the best creator for e-commerce

  • @stemratex
    @stemratex Před 26 dny

    Fantastic video, so some questions.Is it normal for the OG 10 dollar ad set to stop making sales consistently? And what if the ads only perform on Abo and never CBO?

  • @abdurrahmanteima8074
    @abdurrahmanteima8074 Před 2 měsíci

    Hi, what day of the week do you start putting out the cbo campaign and start scaling? And do you increase the budget every 2 days?

  • @couor
    @couor Před 6 měsíci +1

    Can you explain how you calculated BE roas? From your example it looks like you used selling price (40)/ cost (15)+ad spend (10)= 1.6. I'm trying to wrap my head around this but it seems like the break even point would be selling price (40)/ profit(25)- ad spend (10)=2.66. I was doing the math with a $20 ad set vs $10 and the break even roas gets smaller when paying more for ads using the first method. Example: selling price (40)/ cost (15)+ad spend (20)= 1.15 compared to 1.6 with a $10 ad set. Wouldn't the roas have to be larger for a more expensive ad to break even? Like I said I'm just trying to wrap my head around it, but I'd love to hear what you did. Anyways the video was super helpful I'm excited to test a similar strategy, keep it up!

  • @willytsang1986
    @willytsang1986 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thank you so much for your video, which is really inspiring.
    Just wondering what are your comments on AUTOds?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      Thank you! And i made a video about it recently lol. I’d say it’s solid for testing. But when you’re doing multiple orders per day, a private supplier is always the way to go

  • @arshpolra4144
    @arshpolra4144 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Hey man, great video! loved it, just have a question. Do you pick specific placements in your ad sets for "photo ad" in particular? or do you leave it to the "Advantage+ placements"?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Thanks man! And yes, i always use advantage+ placements for photos or videos when testing. Then you can narrow down later once you have enough data

    • @arshpolra4144
      @arshpolra4144 Před 5 měsíci

      Thanks a lot for sharing man! Also One more question, when you duplicate your winning ad do you reuse the ad. As in do you use the ad id to repost the same ad that worked or do you just create a new ad which is the exactly replica of the one that worked. Hope that makes sense 😅@@taysthetic

  • @jeltixzz8920
    @jeltixzz8920 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Wow. The value provided is insane!
    I got 2 questions:
    - which video/image format should i use? 9:16, 4:5? Both?
    - should i always start running ads the next day at midnight just like on tiktok?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +2

      I would go for 9:16 if the ad is less than 15 seconds and 4:5 for ads 15-30 sec+
      Yes, you should always run ads starting at midnight on fb/tiktok

  • @vikramgoswami7471
    @vikramgoswami7471 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Very simple good informative video thanks

  • @usermandle
    @usermandle Před 6 měsíci

    Mate great video!! I confused with vertical and horizontal scaling, let’s say you have a winning ad with and you want to run the ad everyday example ad started running November 13, ad started running November 14 keeps going and total of 120 ads. Does that applied for vertical and horizontal scaling? And how do you do it?

  • @peteruwa5883
    @peteruwa5883 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The values he offers for free is priceless 🎉🎉

  • @F7_Sebastian
    @F7_Sebastian Před 5 měsíci

    Do you have a mentorship program ? I’d love to learn from you specifically! love your content bro ! Keep it up !

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci

      Glad you like the content bro! I don’t do dedicated/long-term mentorships but i do offer 45 minute consulting calls to put you in the right path and answer any questions you have. (Link is in the description)

  • @Content048
    @Content048 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Hey! Brother, can you tell / make video on how you got your creatives? Did you buy or did you film yourself? Do you update creative / test new creative while scaling??

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I usually make all of the creatives myself. My particular product is relatively simple to create ads for (simple slideshow and photo style ads). And yes, I usually test new creatives at least once every 1-2 weeks.

  • @tom1997831
    @tom1997831 Před 6 měsíci

    I have one question, I see some people will do creative testing to find the wining creative, then go to test interest and scale. Do you do that too? For the creative testing.

  • @khann7
    @khann7 Před 6 měsíci

    Bro your video worth i think around 5000-10K that help me a lot than other BS 100$ courses thank you bro please continue like that

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      Haha I appreciate that bro! Just trying to give the most value that i can

  • @VakoCavender
    @VakoCavender Před 2 měsíci

    i have one important question. What do you do when you 10dollar adset that you have duplicated? you leave them running or what

  • @fawad916
    @fawad916 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Brother make 1 video on product research.

  • @jeltixzz8920
    @jeltixzz8920 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Awesome video! Is it advised on Meta to test multiple products on the same pixel at the same time?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      You can until you find a winning product that gets a majority of the sales on your current pixel.
      As you’re scaling with that product on that pixel, it would be ideal to create a new general store with a fresh pixel to keep testing new products, especially if they are in different niches.

    • @jeltixzz8920
      @jeltixzz8920 Před 7 měsíci

      @@taysthetic thank you!

    • @jeltixzz8920
      @jeltixzz8920 Před 7 měsíci

      @@taysthetic but i have 3 winners to i guess i need to have 3 stores right?

  • @troll_root3908
    @troll_root3908 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video! If I have good metrics on the first day with 1 order and the second day I don't have any order should I give it a chance or kill the product

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      Yes, you should still give it a chance on the 3rd day

  • @SP-js4gf
    @SP-js4gf Před 7 měsíci +1

    Yes let’s see how to test in other countries

  • @shabdekhsaboon1048
    @shabdekhsaboon1048 Před 6 měsíci

    Do cpms on facebook rise bigtime during the holiday season? I literally started fb ads on thanksgiving day and have been running them a couple days now with like 5 different target ad sets and all my ad sets have cpms over $90 at the minimum with the highest one at $150. Any advice on this? Really confused as to why this is happening. I am targetting specific niches and leaving fb all the room in the world to test (no limiting placements, having audience sizes of around 20 mil etc…). Not sure what to do

  • @cartersmith8967
    @cartersmith8967 Před 5 měsíci

    Bro how do you find the right audience and interest? Is there any other way to find than audience insight and chatgpt?

  • @omarvlogs2764
    @omarvlogs2764 Před 4 měsíci

    Brother , I am from Bangladesh , but so i run ads in 12 am midnight in bangladeshi time , but my target country is usa . And thats 1 pm in usa . So do you think I should update my facebook time zone as usa ? And run ads on 12 pm my time thats 12 am midnight on usa ? Or its does not matter ?

  • @A71Tech
    @A71Tech Před 7 měsíci

    He reveals the paid strategies of other. Literally i have seen this strategy in other paid course that have very highh cost.

  • @whodatwedat8882
    @whodatwedat8882 Před 7 měsíci +1

    How you find winning product ?

  • @lachyveal2738
    @lachyveal2738 Před 7 měsíci +2

    hey bro idk if this will reach you but just a genuine question and it's something I've been wondering with all ecom youtubers - you seem to have a lot of success with dropshipping in terms of sales revenue, I just wanted to know how much of this is exactly profitable and if so then why not rinse and repeat and not even bother with youtube? is this something more sustainable to do long term (youtube) because i know if I found a gold tap I'd purely be focused only on that and I wouldn't put energy into a youtube channel

    • @TheSaturnTeam
      @TheSaturnTeam Před 7 měsíci +1

      Dropshipping is a successful journey to follow, but he is doing this CZcams so emphasize some new member to know that it is the right path to follow, you can make thousands of dollars on e-commerce and then, you will want to let alot of people to know what's next for the life, its simple to start with

  • @user-fo1xu8ir3y
    @user-fo1xu8ir3y Před 5 měsíci

    Bro How is your estimated budget with ten dollars predicts 5 sales a day? Mine is showing 2 sales for 10 dollars

  • @youtrippindeebo
    @youtrippindeebo Před 6 měsíci

    Amazing content mate, I am in a bit of a good but bad situation. I have found a winning product but the issue I have is now vertical scaling. Facebook is putting a spending limit of $75 per day. Is there a way around this so I can spend more?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci

      One thing you can do is create more ad accounts under your BM. You should be able to create 5 ad accounts. Then share your pixel across all of them.
      For your main ad account, the DSL will raise up after a couple of weeks

  • @kaptainpotion
    @kaptainpotion Před 7 měsíci

    Hey bro,
    I have a winning CBO campaign with the winning interests inside.
    Now i want to launch new creatives, do you recommend to do that within that winning CBO campaign? Or should i just create a abo campaign again, find the winning interests and ads and duplicate them to a new CBO campaign?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      Yes you should test new creatives in a fresh campaign. I would test it with ABO instead.
      Once you validate some new winners from those ABO’s, you can then create a new scaling CBO that includes your previous winning creatives + your new ones

  • @FilipJ99
    @FilipJ99 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Hi Tay,
    I have a prod which is doing well on tiktok, so far have tested around 15 interests on fb, none have got more than 2 purchases across a 3 day time span, would you recommend to keep testing interest, i,e broaden out the interest or run a general campaign? Thanks

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +1

      It depends, what CPCs are you also getting with each interest you tested? you can try to run a CBO with all interests that got you purchases and try to push more budget. start it at $100-150

    • @FilipJ99
      @FilipJ99 Před 7 měsíci

      Under 1$ for most, most of them around 30c. Sounds like a good idea ill give it a go, Thank you@@taysthetic

  • @shxwn5092
    @shxwn5092 Před 7 měsíci +1

    hi bro, ty for sharing ur methods we really appreciate it, i have just a little question : when u’re doin vertical scaling why don’t u increase the budget of ur 10$ profitable adset instead of creating a new 50$ adset ?
    i see a lot of people doing this so i just want to know if u don’t do this because it’s too risky or something like that, ty mate !

    • @stefancondriea3223
      @stefancondriea3223 Před 7 měsíci

      If you do this on your initial adset the learning phase of that adset will reset and will go from 0 again and at risk to not recover.

    • @shxwn5092
      @shxwn5092 Před 7 měsíci

      @@stefancondriea3223 yes ik but if u increase the budget around 20% u don’t lose the optimisation right?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      Yes, you can still raise the budget of your $10 adset at 20% to retain the learning.
      I just like duplicating so that i can test a new pocket of audience at a higher budget while still keeping the $10 adset running with retained learninng

    • @shxwn5092
      @shxwn5092 Před 6 měsíci

      @@taystheticok ty, and if we want to scale more slowly we can duplicate the adset to 20$ instead of 50$ ?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      @@shxwn5092 yes

  • @bmrock2386
    @bmrock2386 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Hi brother. If ad sets have roas over 3.0 only one day for 3 days, do i need to scale it or switch off? Please help me

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Do you mean that you were able to get a ROAS of 3.0 for only 1 day out of 3 days? If so, I would not scale it. Look for some more purchases after a few more days and then try to scale up

    • @bmrock2386
      @bmrock2386 Před 5 měsíci

      @@taysthetic yes only one day. I ran 6 days but only one day its over at least 2.0 roas. Some ad sets little over beroas. Should i kill those ad sets?

  • @KutCut
    @KutCut Před 7 měsíci +1

    Is this also applicable to an online shop? not necessarily dropshipping?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      Yes, it’s applicable to ecommerce in general. Not just dropshipping

  • @thewesc
    @thewesc Před 7 měsíci +1

    At $10 per day, after how much spend do you cut it if there's no purchases? 1x your product cost?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      I would say 1x generally. You can go 2x as long as your metrics on day 1 and day 2 are good (ie. CPC, CPM, ATC’s)

  • @shabdekhsaboon1048
    @shabdekhsaboon1048 Před 6 měsíci

    Hi can you please link the video of your step by step setup for a facebook campaign? You talk anout the video during the 3 minute mark but i dont see that video in your description

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci +1

      My bad bro, it’s the one called “how i made 100,000 profit”

    • @shabdekhsaboon1048
      @shabdekhsaboon1048 Před 6 měsíci

      No worries bro just saw it appreciate it!

  • @cabdiraxmaancabdulqaadir2787
    @cabdiraxmaancabdulqaadir2787 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Really i was waiting this vidoe so i would like to ask can you please mentor me.
    I want to scale this Q4 with you brother.

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      sorry bro, I don't offer mentorships. simply don't have the time to do so. i'll be dropping more free value in the future

  • @saadghilani4643
    @saadghilani4643 Před 6 měsíci

    When you duplicate like that you get notified about audience fragmentation what you do in this case ?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Just ignore those messages.

    • @saadghilani4643
      @saadghilani4643 Před 6 měsíci

      @@taysthetic Also another thing please how do you increase daily limit

  • @trillionaire.perspicacity9658
    @trillionaire.perspicacity9658 Před 7 měsíci +1

    keen for a chat man

  • @SP-js4gf
    @SP-js4gf Před 7 měsíci

    Other countries scaling will be interesting to watch 👍

  • @OjedaBeauty
    @OjedaBeauty Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing video! So helpful!!
    Question:
    Is there a reason why you recommend to run ads the next day at midnight?
    Thanks.

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 6 měsíci

      Appreciate it!
      It’s best to run ads at midnight to let your budget spend evenly across the day.
      If you start an ad in the middle of the day, it will rush the spend until 11:59pm

  • @Xivi1337
    @Xivi1337 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Amazing

  • @taysthetic
    @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +1

    When it comes to scaling, it as an absolute NECCESSITY to have an upsell app on your store to increase your AOV/ROAS.
    I personally use AfterSell and you can download it here 👉🏼 start.aftersell.app/join?via=tay84

  • @cartersmith8967
    @cartersmith8967 Před 7 měsíci +1

    shall we try 10 ad sets with 10$ for around 80-100$ product? or we should try with 20$ per ad set for the products which costs around 80$

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      Yes, i would probably do $20 x 5 adsets for higher ticket products instead

    • @cartersmith8967
      @cartersmith8967 Před 7 měsíci

      like runnning one day right ?maybe 2 days if there is any atc on any of those ad sets
      @@taysthetic

  • @karahansafak9602
    @karahansafak9602 Před 5 měsíci

    All videos always mention to only use 1 interest/ad set however not a single video shows in-depth on this. Do we not narrow it down, exclude anything? Just straight to the point use 1 interest and thats it?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci

      Yes just 1 interest. No need to narrow it down

  • @tech2save120
    @tech2save120 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Hey brother I am a Thumbnail designer. can I help you also I worked with some forgein client

  • @hjhgfdrtyj
    @hjhgfdrtyj Před 7 měsíci +1

    Facebook Ad is different in these years. Testing interests is just wasting your time and money. Nowadays, we should focus on testing ad creative instead of interest and just go after the broad audience.

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +2

      Ad creatives are definitely the most important part, but testing interests still works. Just stick to whatever works for you. This is what has worked for me for several years now

  • @erelbensh
    @erelbensh Před 6 měsíci

    I have just landed in a gold mine❤️

  • @cartersmith8967
    @cartersmith8967 Před 7 měsíci +1

    i think my question will be benefitial for peopl who wants to try dropshipping with facebook ads, question is: is conversion api really important?

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      Yes, it helps with tracking conversions better. Just connect your pixel with facebook shopify app. CAPI is automatically enabled

  • @mihin4569
    @mihin4569 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I have a store doing 3 roas with 2k days and today I have run out of cash lol. Cant pay the ads and waiting for stripe to pay me

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +2

      get a credit card if possible!

    • @planettiktok3258
      @planettiktok3258 Před 7 měsíci +1

      You scaled too fast

    • @mihin4569
      @mihin4569 Před 7 měsíci

      @@taysthetic Im from Croatia so I have to research my best option

    • @mihin4569
      @mihin4569 Před 7 měsíci

      @@planettiktok3258 Yeah

  • @ammarkhan508
    @ammarkhan508 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Is $10 per adset enough if your product is $80???

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      it's just a cost-effecive way to validate your best creatives first. if your selling price is $80, then I'd recommend a $20/day budget.

  • @LifesFactbookYT
    @LifesFactbookYT Před 7 měsíci

    Bro your call link in not available.

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      just checked and it seems to be working. what error are you getting?

    • @LifesFactbookYT
      @LifesFactbookYT Před 7 měsíci

      @@taysthetic GM, "This site can't be reached" DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

  • @jorgemyte19
    @jorgemyte19 Před 5 měsíci

    the look a like part is soo difficult to understand

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 5 měsíci

      Totally understand bro, it was confusing for me at first too. I will try to make a video later to explain it more simply

  • @mindsetissuccess
    @mindsetissuccess Před 7 měsíci +1

    Hey bro make real facebook training😊

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci +1

      what else do you want to see/learn?

  • @nassmamba2301
    @nassmamba2301 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Do you think this strategy can also work on snapchat and tiktok ? or only for facebook
    thanks for the value btw and great video as always !

    • @taysthetic
      @taysthetic  Před 7 měsíci

      yes, the concepts of vertical and horizontal scaling can apply to tiktok ads too. not sure about snapchat as I've never seen success with that platform