RATE THE REDESIGNS: Mega Man Battle Network Collection
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2023
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Max is back to rate the redesigns for classic good guys and bad in the Mega Man Battle Network Collection! With characters returning in new forms from the original series, it's Max's job to decide whether these takes are heroes or zeroes.
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Im biased. I'm a huge battle network fan and i absolutely love how they adapted and changed many of the designs to fit the internet theme. In short, I'm offended.
I’m biased as hell too as BN and Zero are the games that got me into MegaMan
For me X was first then the rest
Don't worry, you're not the biased one, lmao
Time to grow up
In short I’m offended.
Max: It doesn't try anything new with the design.
Also Max: It tried too much new with the design.
His ratings with that are so all over the place, it's not a thing I'm remotely taking seriously.
@@UltimaKeyMaster yeah max is just spit balling his takes, it never really mattered.
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I'm 'offended' but I'm not OFFENDED, ya know?
yeah I noticed this. It felt really strange
Same thing with references. He's rather strict when something is a direct reference, unless it's a reference he likes, then it's the greatest thing ever.
Can’t wait for SF6 redesigns review
Max woke up today and drank a gallon of *HaterAid* ☠️
Fr tho, rare max L
You do know it's his opinion right
@@d3athscythe575 we can always argue the reasoning behind the opinion
@@LTDLetsPlays there is no reasoning, its subjective tastes in character design...damn yall are so overly defensive over this. good to know to stay away from this fanbase.
The fact that these designs seem modern 20 freaking years later speaks to the quality of battlenetwork.
I like how Max talks about how the modernized them, despite the fact these came out like 20 years ago. its the new retro modern era of designs!
Just goes to show how well these designs holds up.
Heck, I'm even surprised he bothered checking the game out when his reaction to the announcement was so muted.
@@trigs7127 He was sponsored by Capcom to play the game, and even then he played BN3 and hasn't reached the first boss yet when he called it a day lol
This is the Mega Man era I grew up with. I wouldn't mind rewatching the anime again.
I still hate how the rest of it isn't dubbed..
Is it streaming anywhere?
Same
it's currently going live on capcom's twitch
@@danthefool21 the entire dub is available on Capcom’s official CZcams channel until September.
For those who are unaware: Battle Network is essentially an AU where internet technology is what blew up instead of robotics in the Classic timeline. Dr. Light is the main character Lan's grandfather and Wily is the main antagonist of the series
So it's basically the irl timeline
@@priestesslucy3299 it's even better: Dr.Light only decided to research internet over robotics , because he acquired a girlfriend during his years in university.
And overall , Battle Networkd -> Star Force Timeline is almost an utopia in comparisson to Classic Timeline.
@@phantasosxgames8488 The implication of this, seeing he eventually had a family in BN, while he didn't in the mainline and seemingly needed robots to have companionship, is quite a realization now, with very drastic futures for both.
@@phantasosxgames8488 Dr. Light getting pussy = more peaceful future
@@zjzr08 The fate of humanity in Megaman rests entirely on wether or not Light scored.
I think one needs to consider these aren't robots. They're Netnavis, they're designed so different to better emphasize thier power and less of the MAN aspect. Like half the early robot masters all looked the same anyways. Im always for different designs. The npcs in BN already almost all look the same now imagine if all the Netnavis had the same body type as the robot masters. The games designs would be infinitely worse
Its kinda unfair to judge them like that
I don't understand why he just dismissed Roll like that... she looks cool?!
Guess he thinks her place is in the kitchen. /obviousjoke
@@HenshinFanatic yeah because she's a dinner roll.
massive upgrade IMO the exe version
Battle Network Roll is best Roll. I can't imagine seeing Roll's redesign and having such an intensely negative reaction to it when the classic Roll was just a little girl with the classic series' trademark of fat boots.
Not only does Roll look cool, she IS cool! I mean, somewhat unsurprisingly, the actual story never lets her be cool (at least as far as I've gotten, which is partway through BN3 White), but her Navi battle chips have always had a place in my folder!
Skullman looks SICK what the hell are you smoking
@@Feroce the original official art, not the battle network (which imho, is too childish)
ngl he looks like papyrus
@@an0n-1o1 Papyrus looks like him, you mean.
@@DavidZakuzaRyutashi they both look like generic skeletons lol
BECAUSE HE IS A FUKIN SKULL? DEAR GOD
I feel like Max is evaluating these designs like they were made for a remake of the Mega Man classic games and not the alternate timeline reimagining that Battle Network is.
Pretty much, unfortunate.
This.
I'm straight up confused wth his criteria's were.
Pshhhht, he doesn't know!
To be fair, some of the designs were altered to the point of being unrecognizable, such as Roll. And then there's weird choices like having Protoman being more inspired by Zero than the actual Protoman.....which was rather silly in hindsight, since they *did* make Zero eventually in Network Transmission
I'm shocked at how negative Max is about these designs. Seems his criteria is that they have to be upgrades to their original designs, and not too radically different.
he's not too keen on the goofier/cuter designs neither
He was pretty negative about the entire game tbh. Personally, I love this series and I think it’s the dopest form of MegaMan and pals.
@@TheMoonman4 yeah the entire point is to introduce Megaman to a new young audience.
He's mentioned before he never got into this series back when it came out, so I kind of expected this.
Most of the time Max' opinions are based on rose tinted nostalgia goggles, it's all good.
Can't disagree harder with most of the ratings. I love that Battle Network went out its way to give a lot of the robot masters more inspired designs based of the characters motifs. Makes them so much more memorable for me.
Chat agrees
I think most of these designs are pretty good especially HEATMAN I like the way the fingers were created and the way the face is on fire.
Yeah Max is falling heavy into "They changed it too much so it sucks". But I guess critical character design isn't his forte
@@Ziggaton "they changed it too much so it sucks" then the very next one: "too traditional"
@@Ziggaton But he also says "They didn't change Fire Man enough" so like...what does he want lol
Yeah! Heatman.EXE has one of the best designs.
@@Ziggaton he is bad at giving good reasons behind his opinions
love how max's knowledge of persona is that they shoot themselves lol
Well, he's correct for...exactly *one* game. It's the one I have the most familiarity with, at least. ;P
@@UltimaKeyMaster and it's not even the one game he played
I mean, that was mine too lmao.
@@UltimaKeyMaster Well it's the most memorable one after all.
@@JayceCH. We stan Door-kun.
I honestly appreciated they went a bit wild with some of these designs even if they're hit-or-miss, I always liked the variety. Heatman.EXE is rad to me
Heatman.exe for life
Like a Zippo gremlin. Looks great!
Most of them are pretty much a homerun. Like Heatman? Thats fucking 10/10. Sick ass opened vintage lighter with flames for eyes and fingers???? Thats peak design.
"Wood Man what did they do to you?"
You mean the Wood Man that was basically some dude inside a tree trunk? That Wood Man?
Yes, funny how that looks better right?
Max: They didn't change it enough
Also Max: Egh, they changed it too much, its bad.
Chat was the best this video. Everyone had good takes
There are designs that drastically too different from one another and those that do the bare minimum
Max seems confused on these redesigns being a separate universe doing something different with making its own style while nodding at some of the old robot masters. Weird he interpreted these as the same exact characters with “rebooted” 2000’s designs they both can exist at the same time. This is why old fans didn’t get it when it came out.
Christ you know you’ve been watching Max’s “Rate The” for too long when you can call all his ratings based on his first reactions.
If its red and sleek, then he'll like it
Max likes his hot rods lol
I don't fellow Mega man at all.... But when I saw that shadow man design I knew it would be a 10
@@Dasaltwarrior true
🤣😂🤣😂
@@Dasaltwarrior Don't forget blonde.
The idea that ElecMan was too far is wild to me, he has a Single Design Element, the coils on his back, meanwhile MM1 ElecMan has... nothing, he's literally just a Dude in a Black-Yellow suit
Max giving Protoman a "ok" rating was sucha hot take. That's the best Protoman has ever looked and they gave him a sword to boot to try to appease the Zero fans a bit. But then they just added Zero in at the end of the games series anyway and that design...idk man.
I’m really happy the Battle Network redesigns of the robot master go so hard and definitely Shadow man and Metal man’s redesigns are my favorite
My blocky robot character was originally based off of Guts Soul, and my racer robot initially was Gyroman.exe, but later became half Gyroman.exe and half Turbo Man.
Max: this design is too close to the original
Also Max: this design isn't enough like the original
Glad he's checking out the Battle Network series, but it's very flat-out obvious that Max has very little understanding on the design sensibilities when it comes to Battle Network designs given how abstract they tend to play with a lot of the themes (Heat, Snake, etc)
Lol yeah. Not all of them are bangers but some are quite objectively better at conveying theme than og. Wood man and Heatman being big examples. Og designs are literally just "little guy wearing a wood suit or zippo lighter".
They look awful amd the game sucks
@@jumpfold obvious troll is obvious
@@Ziggaton I just said the same thing lol! The original designs of the first few games looked like guys wearing a costume
Well, he’s a fighting gamer at heart, not a Mega Man fan.
Yikes. That’s crazy, EXE designs are amazing. Especially in the context of the games.
It's so funny hearing him call them "modernized" versions of characters when these designs are basically the basis of how I KNOW these characters haha.
Major L for that Roll rating though. BN Roll is adorable.
I personally love classic roll but bn roll is ok max was pretty harsh on that one lol
@@Feroce Isn't Roll really just a blonde girl android so not really have anything to come of it?
@@Feroce I think the Partial reason for that is because in the mainline stuff he's kind of like her brother, right?
Roll in this AU kinda has a bit of a crush on Megaman
BN Roll is peak
@@brandonsclips7741 Mainline Roll is only Megaman's sister in the American localization of those games. She was always Megaman's love interest in the Japanese version.
The mmbn designs are so solid it’s hard to go back
BASS.EXE needs to be in a MVC!!!
Been pushing for this since forever
YES. YES. FUCKING. YES.
Yeah
Fun fact: Bass.exe actually ranked pretty high in several MvC3 polls at the time, and iirc, he was actually in the top 10 of that one Capcom-Unity poll that the devs took into account for Ultimate's newcomers.
I feel like max is too closed off from changes here, but given that these guys are purely digital, they can get a bit more away from purely humanoid designs. I absolutely adore how heatman looks, I think it's sick. I wish they had more out there designs like it (it's not like heatman was amazing before ya know?)
So regardless of our opinions on the redesigns for each Navi...are we all gonna agree on Bass having a great redesign?
I never disagreed so much with a Max Video haha.
Also you have to understand the context of their looks. They are personal Navis like your own personal pet to use on the Internet.
Watching the NT Warrior anime as a kid and seeing MegaMan.EXE with the mask up and the cybersword out is what got me into Mega Man as a whole. SUCH a cool design
It does feel like Max was missing the aim for these designs being more like digital personifications of their themes rather than being actual functioning robots. A lot of these designs are way different from the original Megaman designs, but considering how kinda same-y a lot of the previous robot masters were before .EXE dropped, it brings way more personality to most of them. Some obviously don't hit, Rush is a good example, but eeeeeh... Probably bias and childhood talking but most of these are solid re-imaginings.
Max sees anything remotely not human shaped: "Garbage, somewhere bellow 5/10"
Max sees anything human shaped: "Anywhere above 5/10"
Max sees a human shape with some edgy parts to the design: "Peak Megaman Design above 8/10"
These weren't robots so they got to go way more abstract with the designs. While there are a few that miss the mark a bit, I think most of the designs have more personality than the old ones. Granted more personality isn't better if it goes outside the scope of what you enjoy.
Max likes the man of the megamans, dude like men
Hot take
Most of these designs are better than the classic ones.
There are some nuclear takes in this video. I feel like Max's rating boils down to "Is this new design incredibly badass? If not, then I will rate it on a scale of how far it deviates from the original regardless of whether or not it's an improvement."
This is definitely a generational thing. It’s like having OG TMNT fans react to the 2003 series or OG Transformers fans react to Transformers Cybertron designs. Sometimes you can be too biased to give a fair assessment.
I was salty for that Protoman score but Max brought it back with Metal-Man 10/10. Love to see it.
I thought the Zero influence would bring him to at least a 9.
@@Lunatic89097 Max isn't a fan of Zero. He calls him green tits mcgee lol.
Yeah what’s wrong with protoman? I would give it a 8/10
@@Ronin-kk4bt Idk. Protoman is my favorite character. Easy 10/10 for me.
It's a little weird how Protoman is both Protoman and Zero.
But it works
The designs from Battle Network hit that nice middle ground between the simplicity of the original Mega Man and the detailed designs from the X series and onward. Not too much to make it convoluted, but not too little to deprive itself of the nuances of each character.
Gyroman looks like Bumblebee redesigned into a helicopter and I kinda love it.
Gyroman looks like he could have been a background character in Transformers Armada.
He's a literal transformar, which makes it even better lol.
The designs for Battle Network are not bad at all and I did enjoy how they made Gutsman a good guy in the Anime.
A good guy in the anime indeed. It was Gilligan's Island all over again with him and MegaMan... Lol. Love it. I'm gonna binge watch now
Honestly I love that alot of them are good guys, added so much more character to them.
Like, NapalmMan is a total bro.
And the Bass n Treble rendition (Bass n Gospel) is absolutely insane.
@@aroperdope same I loved it, I just wish I kept the figures.
@@53Spawn That is true they were just corrupted and made evil but actually are good. Definitely enjoy the battle system that they had against other players. It was a nice evolution to Megaman like MedaBots.
SharkMan's a total bro in the anime
Max referencing Persona is probably the closest we’ll get to him playing the series
The closet we got to him playing Persona was in Smash Ultimate. And I don’t think he ever played Joker only the stage lol
LMAO maybe one day
@@FutureMangaka2011 I feel like Max would dig the style of P5 a lot if he tried it. Persona and Yakuza are the two games I'm surprised Max hasn't delved into yet.
@@knickknack675 It's ok, he's playing Metroid. That alone is a good timeline
He did play Persona 4 Arena back in the day
*_"They did my man-wood dirty"_*
~ Maximilian Christiansen, 2023
Looking forward to reading his Lolcow page on kiwi farms
Max yet again proving he doesn't know exactly what he's talking about
Was hoping to see his reaction to the Zero redesign.
Watched it live, he thought it was cool, but he didn't pog.
No, he already saw Protoman.
@@StriderZessei Thanks for the heads up. :)
@Trise There is a legit Zero.exe design.
He saw it a LONG time ago (before he moved to his new house) with the group. And he absolutely loved Zero.EXE.
He still does and peeped it again during this stream.
At least he recognizes Bass.EXE is peak character design
It looks very similar to mainline Bass so I get it hehe...still looks pretty great as a NetNavi.
Bass EXE is a 10/10 redesign.
The reason for Proto Man, Roll, and Bass's drastic redesigns were that they take elements from X characters. ProtoMan.EXE is a combination of Proto Man and Zero. Roll.EXE is a combination of Roll and Alia. Bass.EXE is a combination of Bass and Sigma.
I don’t really see much of anything of Sigma in Bass’ design. The cloak was more of a general common “dark mysterious” design concept. His actual body is actually fairly similar to Classic Bass but the dark energy and the cloak make him look so much cooler.
Because someone has to:
"They did my man Wood dirty!" - Max, 2023
Huh,could this be considered a dad joke? Lol
@@tonberryhater2286 Woodman is so derpy, words can not describe it.
I really wish Capcom would make a Megaman legends collection and with legends 3 announcement for current gen consoles.
It would be the hardest to make I think which is probably why they skipped it for now to get the other projects out the way
and it would skip xbox just like battle network. I bought the 3 previous collections for my xbox to. I was so bummed out they skipped xbox.
Such hot takes. Wood man redesign was way better than ice man’s. Idk about this one, Max
Yeah he's relying heavy on the nostalgia informing him and subsequently the kneejerk "they changed it too much so it sucks"
@@Ziggaton It's funny to react to designs made over 20 years ago and pretend to be shocked about it lol
He woke me up with the "Wood man what did they do to you!" Bruh I was half asleep. Lol
It's his opinion lol what do you mean "idk about this one"?
I mean, it is HIS opinion lol. Not need to get all razzle dazzled
Shadowman.EXE got a 10/10 probably because he looks like Strider Hiryu.
shouldve had a side by side with the original characters
Yeah a lot of these are extremely cool. Would love to see a couple appear in one of the crossover fighting games.
Battle Ntwork and Star force in general need to show up in more Capcom crossover material, they always pick X and Legends characters but never these
Max! The design of the characters matched the aesthetic they were going for. I think it was spot on! Lol
Max just likes edgy designs
And his man in suits (skull man for example)
Then he should have rated the Protoman design higher.
Went into this knowing exactly what most of the ratings would be, especially Shadow EXE, hahaha. A little sad he didn't hit up the 7ths aside Shade, but it's understandable.
One of the redesigns Max looked at that's not in this video is, of course, Zero.EXE, which he loved. See it for yourself to get what I mean.
Ah man, wish it was in the video
Zero is in the series?
@Just another ghost yeah he was a virus i think and he wanted you to destroy him. He appears in transmission network gcn
@@heardofrvb In the Gamecube side story, which isnt included in the Legacy collection but is still a canon part of the story.
I think what they did with him is kinda clever, since the Maverick virus is you know, a computer virus which is what Megaman.EXE fights all the time that's how Zero was born in this timeline, the virus gaining sentience
man... this gotta be the HOTTEST fucking take-video max has ever made imo LOL
god damn.. manz rated ElecMan.EXE a 4💀
I love Max but I feel like every once in a blue moon he'll talk about a game outside of the fighting game genre and share an opinion I COULDN'T disagree more with😂
I know this is all subjective but I couldn't disagree with the majority of this video more. The BN designs go SO hard in almost every capacity especially considering how well they're adapted to this theme of being computer AIs. They seriously nailed the aesthetic .
@Maximilian Dood You just skipped Tenguman.EXE Tengu Man is from Megaman 8, and Battle Network made an emphasis on the tengu design here.
These designs are actually perfect. Looking at the original boss characters' designs, most of them have the same body structure, making them too samey, but those limits aren't present with these redesigns, giving them all a unique look. Plus you can tell they had a lot of fun making some of these, like Snakeman.
although not every design is a hit for me the art style itself is beautiful, vibrant colors and easy to read. this is what real megaman is in my eyes, this collection is a treat that brings back good memories 😄
yeah i feel like even the designs i didn't love had wonderful artwork
Given a lot of these had expanded roles resulting in wildly different personalities, I feel like a lot of the designs are way better in context. Especially TopMan. He's custom made by an old man who who likes tops but wants to impress his kid who gravitates more towards netnavis.
Give half these character a scarf and a sabre and the ratings would jump 10 fold
i usually agree with max on most of these kinds of videos but i kept being like "this guys is sick!" then max says "they ruined him 2/10" lmaoi
BATTLE NETWORKKK
despite the ratings being total heresy this shit was my childhood. I hope you have an amazing time with the games!
I can die happily once Legends Legacy Collection is released
Throw in Starforce as well. Those fans need their shine!
I want a Collection of all the weird spinoffs. Mega Man Soccor, Command Mission, Network Transmission, The Misadventures Of Tron Bonne, Operation Shooting Star, etc.
I like how he dings some characters for being different but then dings other ones for being too similar lol
??? Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive lol
My personal favourite redesign is the Gospel virus from 2. Don't recognize him? It's Treble!
Bass.EXE is one of the coolest design in the series, so i'm glad he agrees *whew*
Bass looks SO GOOD in this
They straight up turned Shadow Man into Strider.EXE.
Anyone else think these ratings were more based off nostalgia than just general design? Like yes most of them weren’t closer to the original, but they’re not really TRYING to.
I always prefered these designs over the original because a lot of the original designs can be summed up as 'Guy in jumpsuit'. It wasn't until they got to the later games that they were able to expand it and give the robot masters a bit more distinct designs.
Here, everyone is unique in their own way. They all vary in size from the towering Knightman.exe to the tiny Iceman.exe and many of them retained some of their original attacks. Not every NetNavi is an antagonist as well. Gutsman.exe goes the entire series as a rival to Megaman.exe but generally helps. The most colorful character of the series, Match, constantly changes his NetNavi and sides. He appears in every game except for 5 operates Fireman.exe, Heatman.exe and Flamman.exe and will either be a random NPC, a villain or just some guy trying to find his way.
Ive never played this series before nor did I ever grow up around it all but i fucking LOVE these designs, theyre all suuuper imaganitive and charming. I really need to grab a copy of the collection and finally dive in
What I personally find cool about those designs is that they are basically handled by the team, that does design for mainline series now. So looking at them we can kinda grasp what Mega Man character designs would look like in 12 and further games, or in that one leaked "big budget Mega Man title" that they've been working on for years.
Even if I don't quite love Battle Network or Star Force series, they surely were made with a lot of love for classics and that's what matters.
Never would've expected this video but as Palpatine once said, "A surprise to be sure but a welcome one"
I'm the opposite: I grew up on MMBN so when I see the old Classic designs most of the time I go "wow that's boring".
Like I get it, its not my era. But its amusing to see someone from that era react to the MMBN designs.
I actually loved the designs of Battle Network. There are some misses, but overall good designs…
Although I do admit, some a really out there. 😅
I think reviewing these designs while not understanding their story importance and reason for looking the way they do kinda undermines the effort put into the designs. Love a lot of them and they make complete sense in their respective games.
PharaohMan.EXE is so sick. Max is on dust
Taste is subjective and all that, but slandering Roll's 2nd best design (before Legends), Elecman, Heatman, Topman, Snakeman, & Toadman's best designs, Skullman's pretty good design (although I prefer the original), no mentions of Desertman, Groundman, Swordman, or Zero (I know he skipped over the ones he didn't know, but still), ranking Iceman's worst design as one of the best when Aquaman & Blizzardman are right there?
why am i still here? just to suffer?
When you compared Elec Man to a Persona I couldn't help but feel that's...actually what they kinda are for MMBN. They aren't robots anymore.
There was a boss design contest for Mega Man 2-8 rosters, Battle Network 2 (GateMan), 3 Navis each in BN 3-6, and Kung Foo Kid & Moon Destroyer for Star Force 2 & 3 respectively.
I really liked how crazy they went with some of the designs and how much character it gives them compared to their original NES counterparts which for the most parts were just simple tokusatsu villains. But some of them are a bit overdesigned and jaring like Metal Man for example
Unfortunately max has transitioned from dad to boomer with this video
I think max needs to see the designs in action and then re-react to how he feels about them after. Lot of these designs don't work on their own. You got to see them while their in action to fully understand why they changed the designs in the way they did.
I haven't seen your channel in ages and holy shit your intro animation is unbelievable!
Bass's ears made him look like he had big adorable eyes
Talking as someone with no experience with the mega man Battle Network side. some of the desings are cool as hell maybe is MAx being a grampa but something like Heatman is an 10/10 for me. I love the wacky shit
@@Feroce I personally liked Protoman's design. Battle Network was my introduction to these characters. To each their own, I guess.
Based on the amount of dislikes and comments, I was expecting Max to trash on everything. He liked most of them and only really dumped on the weird ones. What we have here are a bunch of people too hung up on his personal tastes and a few things he said. He should've given his usual disclaimer about his opinions and people not looking too much into his reasoning. And here I was expecting the second coming of that Jump Force video. Now that was a fun video to watch.
In the anime, Metalman was called Heavymetalman. It's more of a mouthful, but I think it's also kinda badass, especially since the saws on his shoulders are actually his weapons and they are literally just GIANT SAWBLADES.
I love these game collections Capcom is releasing lately. You can just scroll through the menu jamming to each game’s themes or thumb through the artworks & concept art.
I clicked on the video so fast when I saw MMBN and I already knew what to expect with the ratings but even just doing a video on it giving it a spotlight is a win in my book. Also, CRAZY NOT GIVING PROTOMAN 10/10
Man Max's tastes are horrible.
Like really hating the HEAT MAN?
What is killin this review for me is Max's lack of understanding that their not robot masters or reploids their netnavi's. Virtual bodies in the net which is why they are slimmer and some more human looking. I did enjoy his banter though as well as the video 😂
I like seeing the different takes on the characters. Making them cybernetic instead of robotic let them get crazier with the theme-ing on the Robot master (navi) designs.