Always Connected - A Review of Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2023
- THE BATTLE NETWORK COLLECTION IS HERE!
After 2 years of waiting it's finally time to dive in and see if it was worth all that anticipation...
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RETROSPECTIVE PLAYLIST - • Mega Man Battle Networ... - Hry
Psst... Battle Network 6. Patch Card Section 2. Card 25.
Thank me later.
Yes!! 🌽🌽🌽
Wow man this was faster than I expected
I really like the first 3 videos of your Battle Network series review. It's how I was introduced to your channel in the first place. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with it and no I don't see it as a nostalgia bias. Funny enough I rewatch your first Battle Network review the most out of the six.
I swear if this is an Amogus joke
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It's safe to say they got the message LOUD AND CLEAR since the capcom store in japan is sold out and apparently a lot of stores couldn't even handle the sheer amount of demand for the game to the point where download codes for the pre-orders ARE STILL not given or completely given to the people who paid for them.
It is weird to be reminded just how popular Battle network is compared to the other Megamen.
@@Klonoahedgehog To be fair, this is like the one Megaman series that actually got a serious marketing push which other Megamen never got to see this level. Especially in the west.
It is the second most popular part of the entire franchise, right after the OH Megaman himself
@@EeveeShadowBacon Which is surprising at times because it often doesn't feel like it but that could be because the overall overlap between the people buying the platformers and the rpgs aren't that big
@@Klonoahedgehog 20 years of inactivity will do that, but anyone who acted like the BN series was 'niche' or not nearly as popular as normal Megaman were deluding themselves - I'm sure normal Megaman is more popular but it's not by an order of magnitude like some people seemed to think
Mega Man asking the player to sit back and relax while the BN4 boss theme kicks in sounds like a threat
He also gets surprised when you boot the game up late at night. It's like he's afraid we're turning into Lan ourselves.
@@UltimaKeyMaster he is taking care of us
To clarify, these are native ports to the PC like the X and Zero/ZX collections, no emulation occurring. However, the ROMs of the games _are_ there, mostly to be used as reference points; the game looks at the data on the rom and compares to the new visuals like button images or the new HD text and UI stuff for their replacement on the fly. It's to the point that modders are already looking in the game files and finding they can modify every text string in each individual game as they please, among other stuff.
I hear someone is going to create a mod in replacing mega man's model with mm zero because of a patch card that allows you to use sword based attacks
@@spazerabanekozeroshki I hope we use the Nexus mod page or some other dedicated mod page to archive all these types of mods. They would be really fun to use
No crossplay is still a hilarious irony flag after 'always connected' is the theme of the legacy collection. Still a buy since most people will play on PC or Switch.
Literally the only reason anyone will buy the PlayStation version is if they don't have a Switch/Gaming PC or if they *really really* want two 100+ hour Platinum trophies to grind for.
...I think at that point Capcom knowing crossplay is out the window is why they didn't even bother making an Xbox version like the other collections if crossplay-less multiplayer was a huge selling point of it.
Love that Andrew came back to voice our blue boi
Same here because in conjunction with watching the actual anime all over again since capcom was promoting it on CZcams, it's amazing to hear him back as megaman. EXE. And honestly to me and a friend of mine he will always be that version of Mega man.
As someone who was introduced to your channel through the Battle Network videos, this video really feels like we've come full circle. I'm glad I discovered your channel John, your videos have never failed to put a smile on my face. I look forward to seeing more content from you in the future :)
Wait until he finds out that buster attack power stacks with buster max. Adding 100 points of damage with each additional level.
So 500 normally and then you have the fuckery that is style changes, souls, and beast out.
I was actually a part of the old multiplayer development team and seeing multiplayer be a thing here, alongside all those other quality of life changes really makes this an easy purchase from me.
Just a heads up, the legacy collection did a bit of a goof and it can softlock you in BN6. For those wondering, the Virus Battler side quest gives different rewards based on which region you play and the Japanese version gives you the Django chip on the fifth NPC battler. In the other versions, it's Super Vulcan. So if you plan on doing that, change the gamer version to JP before doing it so you can nab the Django chip. Otherwise you need to get it from someone else.
I didn't get caught in this one thankfully but the less-intrusive softlock of needing Anubis P from Graveyard 2 in order to complete the BBS jobs so that I could fight Protoman FZ for his EX and SP chips to get INTO Graveyard 2 was annoying. I just ended up using a patch card to get Protoman's chips but I really wanted to fight him to earn the chips myself to get into the area.
It thankfully has been patched!
Never has a game released to so many “very obviously didn’t play the games but gonna review it anyway” reviews
For what it’s worth. I enjoyed your beginning videos of this series. I’ve been binging this series of reviews again and help me get through the workday.
I thought they were solid too, but I haven't gone back to check if they hold up.
@@227someguy I rewatched them recently once I finished their game in the collection, they hold up for the most part, John's humour has evolved a bit and his skill at & insights into the games are significantly better now of course but they're still funny and worth watching. The biggest thing I noticed is the severely reduced length of specifically the first 2 videos in comparison to the longer ones, leading to more being skipped over in them... and I mean, BN1 is just short as hell and John didn't play the postgame so obviously that video was gonna be short.
The fact that I finally understand the Battle System of Battle Network now from this video after the whole video series had long concluded is hella bizarre..
Thank you for mentioning Capcom’s tendency to use these compilations as market research. New Mega Man is guaranteed because the original collections led to MM11, it has sold so well it’s getting a higher budget sequel (though leaked details have made fans kind of wary). The sales of this particular collection could revive MMBN.
I"m always wary of this reasoning. Often some fool will decide that means a greedy gacha game is the way to go.
@@jackbarnes4048 We are in a curious situation, Rockman Taisen smells almost like a mobile game but Capcom just tried a gacha game. I'm assuming X Dive didn't make the money they were looking for hence its cancellation. Could that mean Taisen is not a mobile game?
Currently going through the collection on my switch and it's such a nostalgia trip. Having access to all the Japanese only content really makes it feel worth it to pay full price for the collection
The weird QoL thing for me is they redid (not smooth filtered) all the sprite art for all the battle chips for the online trade menus, but the trade menus and collection swap menus are the only way to see that new art. I wish there were a toggle filter option in the games so the chips would have the new HD art. That's kinda my only extreme nitpick, otherwise it really is probably the best port collection that Capcom has put together for Megaman, and makes me really hopeful for a Legends/Dash collection.
You know what's weird about that art thing? This collection very very clearly can do that and it just doesn't. Want proof?
Look at the Cross Select menu in 6. Look at how *FUCKING CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN* those Navi faces are. How is THE REST OF THE CUSTOM SCREEN so good looking, but we don't get HD chip art without the new Comm menu?
They didnt redo them, these HD artworks have always existed at Capcom we just dont see them very often, they also exist in the Gamecube game.
@@Klonoahedgehog Half true. Most of them always existed, but some(like Woodman.EXE's battle chip) were lost or only made for GBA and so they had to redraw it in HD for this collection.
I'd even have them re-work the GBA sprites entirely on a higher pixel density basis, otherwise stay true to what it was. The text also wouldn't look that out of place then.
@@tiarabite A part of me hoped that we could get a variation of the Z Saber chip that featured an HD Artwork of Zero.EXE from Network Transmission
Hopefully sales will encourage a part 3 of the collection to include a.ll of the missing games and/or ports of the DS remasters of 1 and 5
From what ive read online, doing the virus breeder thing in bn6 (i dont remember what they call it, the thing where you collect viruses and fight mr progs with them) in English doesnt give you the Django chip that it does if you had it set to japanese.
Pretty weird thing to mess up as it basically softlocks your postgame progress unless you get someone to help you out with one or you get it from the Otenko trader.
Yeah I read that too. Thankfully I hadn't yet gotten around to finishing it when I found out so I did the entire virus battle sidequest in Japanese and got the chip.
I do wish they had an option to have classic pixelated fonts instead of only the smooth font. Pixelated fonts would've fit much better than the weird font they went with.
Also, the devs directly confirmed these are not ports, not emulations, not ROMs; the Legacy Collection is a true proper full source code recompile. That's why they were able to repair bugs, make minor changes, and restore all the Japan only content to all versions - they don't have the restrictions of GBA cart storage space or dev crunch time to meet release schedules with it.
The only BN game I ever own and played was BN4 Blue Moon. I enjoyed my time with it but it’s BN 4 so this collection finally lets me experience the series in one package without going bankrupt.
I'm calling bullshit. The older videos are 🔥.
My only gripe is that somebody had to redraw every chip in the series and the chips are only shown in HD IN THE TRADING MENU, if I use the smoothing filter the chips should absolutely be the HD redrawn ones.
This is crazy to me because I just recently discovered and binge watched all your reviews on the series which started almost 3 years ago and now we’re here. Love the channel and can’t wait to see the .hack and everything else. Awesome work!
I'm very happy for "Leg's go!" to remain. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night had it's cheesy dialogue replaced by 'better' dialogue, but it was ultimately just blander stuff. It lost it's hammy charm. Sometimes, the bugs really are features, and when they don't interfere with gameplay, I'm happy for them to remain.
I personally don’t mind it staying although I wouldn’t be against a DLC pack with just a new Translation patch to retranslate everything for those who want it
@@Megamanlanprime you’re the only one who cares. They’re not doing dlc for one person
@@365DaysOfBald I care too so that's 2 already, hehe. Like I get they're flaws that turn to memes, but I would love the games to see its full potential.
The megaman legacy collection games has been getting better with each release. I have the part 1 and 2 or the X series for PC, and even though it has some issues, its a pretty neat collection. I really appreciate that capcom is doing this collections + extra features and details. Even though they could be better, it dosent take the fact that these collections are overall well done! So yeah, if capcom seens these collections getting some nice sales we could posibly get future megaman games.
(Pls Capcom im been wanting for a X9 for more than a decade, its the only thing i ask of you)
I discovered your retrospectives last year and tbh they gave me a whole new appreciation for these games, and are the reason I even picked up this collection.
Would love if Capcom did this to the DS StarForce games... They kinda need some love too...
imo, the online features alone are more than enough to sell this game... Battle Network 6 PVP lovers gonna enjoy that by a lot
It wasn't delayed due to the pandemic. Eguchi said in an interview in Famitsu #1793 that development started in 2021.
It was originally planned to be announced in 2020. They even hinted at it for the 20th anniversary but had to say that it wasn’t ready to announce
@@Megamanlanprime It was going to be announced 1 year before development started? I don't understand.
@@MFMegaZeroX7 so during the 20th Anniversary of BN1 there was an interview mentioning they had a project they wanted to announce but couldn’t because it wasn’t ready yet. They were disappointed it wasn’t ready yet, but the team was still working on it
@@Megamanlanprime Yeah it was a project they had just barely started (MMBN1). Not a project that had been long in development.
The thing about font is that... WHY. I mean they didn't bother to fix obvious graphical issues with for example BN1's spritework(like Megaman's pink face) but decided that adding a font that completely clashes with pixel artstyle was a good idea. Just...Why?
My copy is on it's way here. I was pretty excited when I saw the first announcement and even though there is some things I wish were done with it (cough Translation errors cough) I am happy to see them make a collection for Battle Network. Plus it was cheaper to buy this than to try and buy a legit copy of BN1.
I love seeing Battle Network get some modern love. It may not be the most consistent series aroundbut it holds a dear place in my heart. Its got a couple games I love (2 and 3), couple I hate (4 and 5) and a couple I almost love (1 and 6).
I think all your videos are good, John. Even the old ones. Actually, your BN2 video getting recommended to my feed about a week or two prior to your BN3 video releasing is how I found your channel
geniuely what, I just watched your mega man battle network review series today, and now you uploaded this video, the timing lmao
I can't wait to give the collection a go sometime next month. Glad to see your videos (most of them) did a great job covering the series to this fantastic release. I never got to own any of the games sadly but at least with the legacy collection it'll be much more convenient to own. I'll be picking it up on the Switch when the time comes for it. Thank you John for getting me interested in the series as well as showcase and introduce me to other games as well.
I’m really happy with what I’ve seen, though there are two major letdowns, as far as I’m concerned.
I’m honestly really disappointed that they didn’t offer new translations. The original localization was pretty *dire* even for the time. I wish we had the chance to see what the games would’ve been like without rushed translations.
Also, apparently there’s a new softlock in BN6. The re-integrated Boktai content is there, but due to an oversight, there’s no way to obtain the Django3 chip in the English version. The chip doesn’t drop from Virus Battler V5 as intended, because they left in the English version reward (SuperVulcan). You have to switch your game to Japanese before doing this in order to make the chip obtainable.
Thanks for the tip
I gotta give you props for condensing all of this into a tight 15 minute video!
ALL those vids are good, don't you dare!
Well, looking back, Capcom ALWAYS leave extra content behind.
X Collection didn't add the Maverick Hunter X from PSP to it.
Zero Collection didn't add the Zero Collection from DS to it (in that case I don't think there's a lot of changes either).
So I wasn't expecting them to give me Double Team DS, even if that is the deffinitive version of Battle NEtwork 5.
What I think is the bizarre omission is Battle Chip Challenge. That was not only also a GBA game, but it could've been some extra spinoff unlockable like Battle & Chase was in X or the arcade games in Anniversary.
...Also, Network Transmission. That's a little more understandable by comparison, but both those games are good.
TIL that the same guy who voiced Jaller from Bionicle and Vert Wheeler is the same guy who voiced MegaMan.EXE in an anime and now apparently the games technically.
*Mind blown.*
Along with Buster Max mode, it'd be nice if they had an option to drop the encounter rate by half. Maybe even go as far as have another mode where the encounter rate is half, but you get double exp and zenny. Some Phantasy Star ports did this I think.
thanks for this john! it really warms my heart to hear they took such good care of this legacy collection, as unfortunately often the "legacy" doesn't get done justice. hoping to pick it up during a sale sometime :)
Man I felt that towards the end of the video, “buy this collection otherwise you’ll end up like Darkstalkers”
I’m definitely picking it up along with Advance Wars Reboot Camp
I would like to also Echo that last point. Remember we would likely have never even gotten this if the sales for the X classic zero/zx and Mega Man 11 weren't at least decent and those wouldn't have even existed if not for the good sales of the original Mega Man Legacy Collection for the Nintendo 3DS. They've literally stated that the future of the franchise was riding on the sales of that ONE title. So this might not be your X9, Legends Legacy Collection or Star Force Legacy Collection but this one's sales may very well affect those as well.
I've been thinking on how well a Legends and Star Force collections would sell on their own and I get the feeling they might just put them together in one collection.
@@shagohad3 Why would they put them together?
There’s nothing these two series have in common. Zero & ZX makes sense Because the gameplay is very similar to one another and chronologically speaking there right next to each other and in ZX The zero series is referenced a lot. as well as the original games having connectivity with each other.
Star force and legends are like night and day difference With no Reasonable connection to one another.
Not trying to fight or anything I just wanna know how you came to your conclusion.
@@megametexe5129 Because I don't think you could sell either by itself on a disk or switch cart. Star Force, ignoring versions only has three games and Legends, unless you count Misadventures of Tron Bon, only has 2.
8:17 YES FINALLY THE STRENGTH OF MEGAGOD THE BUSTER BAR HAS RISEN
So from the very moment this collection was announced I had every intention of buying it on release... Then Square dropped the FF Pixel Remasters for console to release less than a week after them and so now I'll be buying this game when I get paid at the end of the month instead.
My wallet is crying right now because of how many great games are coming out.
I almost got excited for the Pixel Remasters because Square actually listened to everyone going "OH GOD WE CAN'T MOD THE SHITTY FONT OUT OF THE CONSOLE PORTS" so we got brand-new fonts that actually work just fine.
...And then they kept that horrid pricing scheme where the entire collection is nearly 80 bucks and I went "NOPE." And those games never go for collectively more than 20% off grand total even on Steam, so the only one I ended up looking at was 3 being so different from any other version.
I mean I don't care much about star force all that much and my friend just told me that he forgot all about the DS remake of the very 1st game so I'm fine with that not being involved in this collection. I will say that it is bizarre to go through battle network 5 and not hear megaman say anything in that game but aside from that this is still a very solid collection and it definitely proves that capcom have been going above and beyond for this collection as much as they did. Was able to buy this on the switch day one and I've been enjoying my time going through battle network 3 blue and battle network 5 team colonel only because I never played it on the DS version. Will give the online a shot because I've heard so many fun stories surrounding it and the fact that there's actually A PVP circle surrounding it and still is surrounding it I think it'd be a fun time sink a little bit. Now all we need is a legends legacy collection after this one and we'll be set but soild review of this John! Also it needs to be said Andrew Francis will always be the voice for megaman. EXE.
Nice intro
We love the early videos John!
Ever since I got my switch a few years ago, I've been saying how I wish I could have the old Battle Network games on it.
This collection release is really a wish come true for me. I don't have a lot of memories playing these games, but the ones I do have are quite fond memories.
I'll be getting this. Maybe not super soon, because of personal budgets, but I will be getting this.
I had this preordered the second it was announced and I’m having a blast with it.
Love the new intro dude, and also def gonna get the collection, as you said, sales speak louder than words, so...!
>Darkstalkers
Goddamit literally seconds before the end and you heartlessly tear open an old wound like nothing. The only thing worse would be bringing up the Legends 3 fiasco
I’d actually like it if they did DLC to either update dialogue or DLC packs of the side games/DS versions.
They did mention that the games were basically remade from the ground up from the Japanese versions, and I think it was just that no one wanted to fix some of the weird issues that the EN translations had. Still hyped for these though!
The text boxes look like John edited them in
Ah yes one step closer to the Zero 3 video.
No for real though your channel is one of the best I've ever encountered
“Leg’s go, lan” and “ i’m on flames” are now solidified in history
You had to mention Darkstalkers... I wanna cry now...
I actually didnt know that was how slasher worked! All the way back as a kid I couldnt for the life of me get it to work lol, that and Varislash, the one that requires inputs for the specific sword you want to use. Loved your series and all your megaman content!
Damn, that Darkstalkers diss at the end. XD Very nice video, I've been enjoying the collection myself. ^^
Yes chef, I already bought my copy of the legacy. Now all we need to do is to wait for star force
I've been WAITING for this
I'm having fun with this collection and it's given me a chance to play the only game I haven't in this series I do wish there was a map in them though I always get lost in the first game
Hopefully we’ll get a StarForce collection I miss those games so much
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
"Brainlet Hikari and the little blue cellphone that could." 😂
I remember some wild glitches in old versions of VBA with this game including some enemies firing backwards lol.
A lot of videos about the legacy collection came out lately, but I have been looking forward to your reviews. 👍👍👌
14:31 I feel personally attacked. How dare you be so right.
"You don't wanna end up like Darkstalkers do you."
I mean, to be fair I was playing that game more or less weekly at my local arcade around 2018 or so.....the problem is, only my local arcade saw that cash and not Capcom.
Wait they fixed the panic music???? That's the best change they've made!
12:45 Jesus Christ I remember as a kid not understanding why that chip didn't work, so I just never used it.
Been rewatching your videos as reminders of the game - as im sort of rushing through BN1s plot etc
that made me sad you said you didnt like your first videos they are what got me started to watch more videos on your channel. you articulate well
There is a reason to change languages in the game actually. You can softlock yourself in a side quest for BN6 by doing it in english you get a copy of SuperVulcan instead of Django3 in Japanese. You can't complete the mega section of the library without this chip so you are locked out of post game content and areas if you don't do this in japanese.
Also, BN5 Protoman is the pinnacle of this entire series, fight me.
2:31 You could even call Navis _Netscape Navigators_
...I'll get my coat
been so excited for this 🎉
I really appreciate the efforts
Legs go
Just putting it here for visibility, because I had to reset my save file :'D the virus battler in BN6, beat the final one only on japanese, you get locked out of Django V3 (unless you wanna grind ranked PVP, or compare libraries with someone nice enough to actually have Django) otherwise you still get the supervulcan chip instead when you beat it on english, which is a really stupid bug, but one that can lock you out of graveyard 2 if you don't want to interact with other players.
Not gonna lie was definitely curious about your thoughts on this!
Great content❤
been waiting this. my homie knows his stuff.
Great review 👏
The Little Blue Cellphone That Could 🤣
A quick note about BusterMax and BN1 (not sure about the others yet), if you upgrade Mega Man's Attack Stat, it multiplies that level times 100. I'm up to Elec Man with a level 4 attack and everything just melts with a 400 damage basic shot, ha. I'm turning it off for story bosses, but rematches are fair game, easy way to get V2's and 3's.
I will say I wish they just ported the WiiU versions over. In my mind those are just amazing. Mostly because we all know the online servers will eventually go down and while you can 100% BN1, BN4-6 without online play. Both BN2 and BN3 required pvp to get all the stars in both games. The WiiU Versions just gave you the netbattle (plus event exclusive) chips off the bat.
That's why I bought it for the Switch. I'll just grab another Switch at some point and when I find a physical copy I'll pick that up.
I'll just trade with myself and "battle" myself with the local connection option Switch was given for the multiplayer stuff.
@@christianjones7012 I don't believe there's non network multi-player. So if servers go down you wouldn't be able to "link-cable"
Bless your cyber soul for this. Thank you.
I would probably replay 6, but not really interested in the rest of the collection.
But will buy, because I'm still praying for Mega Man Legends Legacy Collection with 1,2, & Tronne ...(and maybe they'll take 3 out from moth-balls, since it was practically done when they shelved it?)
Finally, someone that remembers The Capcom Test.
Can’t wait to buy this
I miss having my megaman games. Owned the whole collection with them beat 100%, there counter parts and having and some how getting 3 black from a game spot! I lost so many memory's when I lost my storage unit
Playing through the games in order on the collection as we speak, i'm absolutely abusing Gutsman right now with buster max just to grind for Zenny in BN1, i want all th HP memory's in the shops and stuff.
I cannot wait to break 4, 5 and 6 in two with all the E-reader card stuff
Make sure you only do that to mmbn 1 , and one version from 3-6. A ton of the fun from these games is from the difficulty of grinding for chips etc. Very rewarding in game if you grind chips and pull of combos on advanced bosses etc
I find it utterly humorous that out of everything they restored and added for this collection, they SERIOUSLY couldn't fix the iffy localization? Haha!
It actually takes a lot more time and money to do this than most people initially assume. Likely reason is that if they did this, it would have cost 3 times more to make (since these are RPG's) and would have taken 2 years longer to come out.
I was surprised we saw the operation shooting star artwork here’s hoping star force is next 👀
You know i thought your early BN videos were pretty solid
Like I just watched them all in a row to remind myself how uhh dubious these games can be sometimes
The text replacement is the reason I picked this game up. It's so much easier to read on a large screen than the original pixel text. I don't mind the font but I also would have enjoyed an option.
It is a shame the DS versions of BN1 and 5 were not included in the collection. I've been wanting to play this series and the collection is giving me a good avenue to do so, but I wasn't sure if the DS versions of those games were the better option. A bit encouraging to hear that for 5 at least you could probably go either way, though I get the impression I'll probably still want to play OSS over playing BN1 in the collection.
I suspect the game outperformed their expectations because Amazon SOLD OUT of the Switch version on just the Pre orders alone. I know because I just got my pre order in today lol.
I've battled two people from school (different grades and people) back when you needed a Link Cable to do so. This'll be great.
Been waiting on this
i found you through your battle network vids, watched all of them while playing through this collection. I missed this dumb dumb series a lot