Update to performance. Just spent three days doing about 200 miles offroad. Nearly half was in sand at various depths. These tires performed remarkably well. Front tire tracked mostly where I wanted it to and the rear paddles through deep sand, as long as I didn't let it dig. Best tire I have ridden in sand. Definitely a confidence booster in dreaded sand.
I just replaced my Mitas E07 with this tyre. WOW what a difference. Plenty of grip and immediately gave me more confidence to lean more. I took it through a mountain pass on tarr within an hour of fitting and it gripped straight away. Doesn't feel like it need to be scrubbed in at all.
The fast wear is the price that you have to pay to have grip. Can't have both grip and longevity. You have to choose whats more important to you. I always go for grip, my bacon is priceless.
Ive used two sets on my F800GS...LOVE these tires...they hook up great...Rode both the NMBDR and the AZBDR with all expert sections on loaded bike. Great price...get these.
I had a similar duration trip - about 4000 klms and the rear was toast. That was on a CB500X with luggage. Great tyre, on road and off - but not great longevity.
I have an 805 on the rear of my 04 DL1000; on a typical forest road like you've shown, they will slip sideways pretty aggressively in a loose corner with just a little throttle. Is the ax41 better in that circumstance?
I found when new, they hooked up and I had to work to break them loose. As they wore down it got easier to break them loose but never uncontrollable for me. I ran an 805 and found they were easier to break loose on corners than AX41, but the 805 is a much harder rubber compound so the grip wasn't the same. For traction the AX41 is superior but you pay a life expectancy penalty.
@@advmatt Thanks for the reply! Yeah; that "mileage tax" stinks. :-( So it's been about 7 months since this video...what tires are you running today? Curious if you've stuck with the AX41's...
@@wilddoktor I am currently running the new Dunlop Trailmax Missions, because I knew I would be doing a lot of road miles to start the year. I wouldn't do any serious offroading with these tires but I have done fire roads and some gravel and sand with no issues. I have 3k on them with lots of mileage left. I plan on doing a review of them this summer. I just need to get some dirt miles on them.
@@advmatt Whew...those things are spendy! You'd have to get 9k miles out of them to get the same miles per dollar as the 805's. I hope you do though! I'm subscribing; I really want to see your review of the Trailmax. :-)
I didn't ride in the rain with these tires but did ride some wet roads. I thought they were fine, but I ride conservatively on wet roads. I have never tried the Anakee Wilds so I can't compare them.
Would you still use this tire for a KTM390? I'm ready to switch from the stock tires for my riding which is 70/30 but I live in Wydaho and want to do more off road.
Absolutely, still my favorite tire for all types of riding. The rear tire will only go about 2500 but worth every mile. I got 8k miles on the front tire.
I know it's been a while, but I'm thinking about whacking a set of these on my wee 390 adv . Any thoughts on how they'd perform on a lighter bike? Cheers.
They will perform great. I used them through Death Valley and lots of the CABDR. The rear tire wont last any longer but I have about 5k miles on the front tire with a few thousand miles left on it. It's a great tire for the 390 Adv. Price is good too.
i use the same pressures on and offroad on these big heavy adventure bikes to preserve the wheels. On my R1200GS front=34/rear=40, on my KTM 390 Adventure, front=32/rear=36.
Did not wear as long but traction was better both on and off road. I have more confidence in AX41 overall. The AX41 is a softer compound. I prefer the transition of the side lugs on the AX41 too.
@@advmatt thanks. Not sure which one I will replace my rear 805 with. I prefer more life out of the tire since I typically have to do long road stretches to get to the fun dirt!
It performed like it should for a knobby tire, about 5k miles out of it, never washed out offroad, was loud on road, but had a lot of pavement grip. I preferred it over the TKC 80.
@@advmatt Not sure why it would be much different but is the front similarly hummy on the 390? Pick up the bike in a few days and have been eyeing up the AX41's for a long time.
@@jeffloucks2120 I havent had a chance to get many miles in yet. I will let you know after next weekend. I have a 700 mile trip planned. Half of that will be on the road.
I have tried the Mitas E07+ yet. It has been awhile since I ran the TKC80s and I ride much harder now then I did when I ran those tires. The TKC80s got a lot of squirm on the side lugs in turns as they wore down. I have not experienced that with the AX41. I prefer the traction of the AX41 but the life of the TKC80s.
@@sukhoi3747 I am not sure if that is accurate. When I rode the TKC80s I had just purchased my R1200GS Rallye and I rode much more conservatively than I do now. It is hard to say. I expect I might get a few more miles out of the TKC80 but I am not sure I can give you a good answer because my riding has changed so much.
Update to performance. Just spent three days doing about 200 miles offroad. Nearly half was in sand at various depths. These tires performed remarkably well. Front tire tracked mostly where I wanted it to and the rear paddles through deep sand, as long as I didn't let it dig. Best tire I have ridden in sand. Definitely a confidence booster in dreaded sand.
I just replaced my Mitas E07 with this tyre. WOW what a difference. Plenty of grip and immediately gave me more confidence to lean more. I took it through a mountain pass on tarr within an hour of fitting and it gripped straight away. Doesn't feel like it need to be scrubbed in at all.
Great review, appreciate the details of performance in the various terrains!
The fast wear is the price that you have to pay to have grip. Can't have both grip and longevity. You have to choose whats more important to you. I always go for grip, my bacon is priceless.
Completely agree. I would rather have the grip when I need it most than try to get a tire last a long time. Thanks for watching.
A great handling tire will never last as long as you want. A crappy handling tire, will always last longer than you wish it would.
Good information - much thanks!
Thanks for a great review. Very helpful.
My absolute favorite tire!
Ive used two sets on my F800GS...LOVE these tires...they hook up great...Rode both the NMBDR and the AZBDR with all expert sections on loaded bike. Great price...get these.
Totally agree, best offroad tire I have ridden.
Very informative, thanks 👍
How loud are they on pavement?
The front has a noticeable hum, visor down, noise canceling earbuds, hardly noticeable. It is about like a TKC80.
I had a similar duration trip - about 4000 klms and the rear was toast. That was on a CB500X with luggage. Great tyre, on road and off - but not great longevity.
I got one set today I just ride my bike from shop to work a little bit disappointed front tire a little bit hard to Corner
I have an 805 on the rear of my 04 DL1000; on a typical forest road like you've shown, they will slip sideways pretty aggressively in a loose corner with just a little throttle. Is the ax41 better in that circumstance?
I found when new, they hooked up and I had to work to break them loose. As they wore down it got easier to break them loose but never uncontrollable for me. I ran an 805 and found they were easier to break loose on corners than AX41, but the 805 is a much harder rubber compound so the grip wasn't the same. For traction the AX41 is superior but you pay a life expectancy penalty.
@@advmatt Thanks for the reply! Yeah; that "mileage tax" stinks. :-( So it's been about 7 months since this video...what tires are you running today? Curious if you've stuck with the AX41's...
@@wilddoktor I am currently running the new Dunlop Trailmax Missions, because I knew I would be doing a lot of road miles to start the year. I wouldn't do any serious offroading with these tires but I have done fire roads and some gravel and sand with no issues. I have 3k on them with lots of mileage left. I plan on doing a review of them this summer. I just need to get some dirt miles on them.
@@advmatt Whew...those things are spendy! You'd have to get 9k miles out of them to get the same miles per dollar as the 805's. I hope you do though! I'm subscribing; I really want to see your review of the Trailmax. :-)
How are they on rainy road? wet pavement? and compared to the Michelin Anakee Wild?
I didn't ride in the rain with these tires but did ride some wet roads. I thought they were fine, but I ride conservatively on wet roads. I have never tried the Anakee Wilds so I can't compare them.
Would you still use this tire for a KTM390? I'm ready to switch from the stock tires for my riding which is 70/30 but I live in Wydaho and want to do more off road.
Absolutely, still my favorite tire for all types of riding. The rear tire will only go about 2500 but worth every mile. I got 8k miles on the front tire.
I know it's been a while, but I'm thinking about whacking a set of these on my wee 390 adv . Any thoughts on how they'd perform on a lighter bike? Cheers.
They will perform great. I used them through Death Valley and lots of the CABDR. The rear tire wont last any longer but I have about 5k miles on the front tire with a few thousand miles left on it. It's a great tire for the 390 Adv. Price is good too.
@@advmatt Excellent, cheers. I'll order them in the morning, early Christmas present for the bike. Thanks
Hi Matt, what pressure did you air the tires, on and off road?
i use the same pressures on and offroad on these big heavy adventure bikes to preserve the wheels. On my R1200GS front=34/rear=40, on my KTM 390 Adventure, front=32/rear=36.
I'm curious how long these would hold up on a middleweight like DR650 or maybe the KTM390 Adventure.
My experience on a CB500x was they are a great tyre - the rear just doesnt last more that 4000 klms.
@@mosa4688 So in other words not much different to bigger bikes. :) Thanks
Does "two up" mean two riders on the bike?
Yep.
How did you like it compared to the Shinko?
Did not wear as long but traction was better both on and off road. I have more confidence in AX41 overall. The AX41 is a softer compound. I prefer the transition of the side lugs on the AX41 too.
@@advmatt thanks. Not sure which one I will replace my rear 805 with. I prefer more life out of the tire since I typically have to do long road stretches to get to the fun dirt!
I need to hear more about the front tire.
It performed like it should for a knobby tire, about 5k miles out of it, never washed out offroad, was loud on road, but had a lot of pavement grip. I preferred it over the TKC 80.
@@advmatt thx Matt!! Your awesome! Great info helps a lot ony purchase decision!
I just put these on my KTM 390 Adventure for CABDR riding.
@@advmatt Not sure why it would be much different but is the front similarly hummy on the 390? Pick up the bike in a few days and have been eyeing up the AX41's for a long time.
@@jeffloucks2120 I havent had a chance to get many miles in yet. I will let you know after next weekend. I have a 700 mile trip planned. Half of that will be on the road.
Why don't they make a tire like this with much taller lugs. Same pattern but taller lugs?
Great question, no idea, maybe DOT rules prevent it. Much taller would be great.
Thanks for sharing!
HOw's it compare to TKC80?
Have you try Mitas E07+?
I have tried the Mitas E07+ yet. It has been awhile since I ran the TKC80s and I ride much harder now then I did when I ran those tires. The TKC80s got a lot of squirm on the side lugs in turns as they wore down. I have not experienced that with the AX41. I prefer the traction of the AX41 but the life of the TKC80s.
Tkc80 has better mileage than AX41?
@@sukhoi3747 I am not sure if that is accurate. When I rode the TKC80s I had just purchased my R1200GS Rallye and I rode much more conservatively than I do now. It is hard to say. I expect I might get a few more miles out of the TKC80 but I am not sure I can give you a good answer because my riding has changed so much.
ADV Matt thank you !
They claim its a 40/60 but I think it's more of an 80/20.
Do mean 80% offroad? That I would agree with given how fast they wear from any road miles. Still a great tire offroad.
To me that is horrible mileage for such expensive tire.....
Such is life on a big heavy adventure bike when traction is required. It is poor mileage but the performance was pretty good.
2500 miles is not a
"minimal problem"!
It's shit.
$130 for 2500 miles is way too costly and time consuming. How much did you get paid for this?
Tires in the 170/60R17 size normally cost over $200 and might go another 1000 miles, maybe. For a full knobby tire it's not too bad.
Depends ..If you want a tyre that perform both offroad and tarmac, especially cold wet tarmac you need a really soft compound that wear quicker.